I highly doubt that the sirocco will ever make it to the US because we already have the gti and our weak dollar, but you never know. It will be available with a diesel. link title
Who heard they would be coming out with one. How realistic. WHEN? Meanwhile, after owning two Outbacks I'm gettering weary of their design elements but not their AWD, Weather band,4 W.Disc..., wonderful sound system, total reliability.
Will they be like everybody else? 2010-2011....maybe.
Sick of waiting for Diesel ...AND wish it wasn't in a sedan and didn't use UREA (like Honda has).
Well, yeah, this is the Tiguan board, but I heard the same thing about the Subaru diesel: it is available in Europe, but I haven't heard about anything definative in the USA. Yeah, I would hope 2010 too.
I'm more concerned about fuel economy, reliability and comfort than I am about any kind of zoom-zoom.
I can wait until 2010 and compare the features of each.
My guess Feb. 2010. Meanwhile, i just read finally, in automobile magazine about Subaru arriving in Diesel in 2010 and Both Honda and Subaru will give us the more effieicient Diesel withOUT urea.
Hopefully there's a significant redesign of BOTH the Accord and whatever Subaru comes out with. I've owned both for a long time and it's getting old.
cost more AND not that hard to make it YOURSELF when the lines at the gas station are long like they were in the seventies......or even longer after a hurricane or Terrorist attck on Saudia Arabia's Oil ...which is so totally exposed.
Too it's about 30% better mileage....and the vehicle should last longer especially without the UREA (piss).
The Tiguan will get a new optional iPod/USB adaptor. It's a dealer installed option or maybe it will be avaliable factory installed. The unit is quite expensive but should have full iPod/USB integration. Will also have full integration with the new RNS-510 navigation system that the tiguan is getting. The unit costs 499 USD and the iPod cable is an additional 65 USD.
By 2010 everyone and their Brother will have Biodiesel options in the USA to compete with the Tiguan. Wonder how V's lack of reliability will stack up to those of Honda, and Subaru when THEY have their Diesel in the USA by the same ----Late date of 2010.
The new Media Interface for VW aka MDI. Will have full integration with the new Touch screen RNS-510 navigation system. It can support USB, Aux in and iPod. Full iPod integration. The iPod integration works much better than the current one. Requires a harness but there is supposedly one. 1 site has this for 255 USD but it might be cheaper when it comes out. Mounts in the armrest or glove compartment depending on vehicle. It also works great with USB thumb drive. It even shows the ID3 tags over the CAN bus. That way it will integrate with the MFI display. Will officially come out this May. Right when the Tiguan is coming out. The unit does come with the USB cable but the Ipod cable is seperate. It's a special cable but should be under 100 US. More like 50 to 75 USD. Aux in will probably cost that much. It's a special plug and interface. Hope this helps.
The navigation system for the Tiguan also comes with the MDI adaptor. The navigation system is actually a hard drive unit. 10 GB for navigation and 20 GB for music. You also get the SD Card slot. The Disc slot has MP3, WMA, and DVD support. DVD movies can only play while in park. The MDI supports aux in and USB. The USB support means it can work with thumb drives or approved non iPod players. iPod is also supported in this MDI. It can even show ID3 tags over the MFI. The Tiguan can still be orderable with a navigation and cd changer but some order guides show you can't do that. For MDI iPod playback you will need an additional cable for 65 USD or maybe less at a dealer or maybe kufatec or some store like them. Price for the navigation system with MDI is 1,990 USD. Hope this helps.
Wonder how V's lack of reliability will stack up to those of Honda, and Subaru when THEY have their Diesel in the USA by the same ----Late date of 2010
Not sure what lack of reliability you are talking about. Consumer Reports, one of the more conservative rating organization, loves the new 2.5 Rabbits and Jettas and makes them recommended buys. Certainly rated much better than a number of recent Toyotas. TrueDelta and others have long found no significant difference between the MkVs (on which the Tiguan is based) and typical cars from Japanese manufacturers. European sites are even clearer about this, and the Tiguan is selling like hot cakes, over there. Moreover, Diesel VWs have traditionally been yet more reliable, with engines easily lasting between 200,000 and 400,000 miles.
The Diesel Tiguan may come as early as early next year - not "late date 2010." No one knows for sure, at this point. Blame the horrific exchange rates... I wouldn't buy one without a Diesel.
Yes, I've subscribed to Consumer Reports off and on since its inception. That's where I got the idea about their less than stellar ;Rabbit it was minor engine and electrical, transmission,power equip. Audio. Similiar Electrical issues on most. I drive a Subaru Outback which is so reliable its almost boring w/ an Audio sound system that rivals a live Orchrestra. Meanwhile, if electric is the ONLY issue it has problems with ----nothing else works right when the Sending unit & other elec. doen't work. I got over having ele. problems when I owned a Jeep Wrangler (it goes where its' towed to). Great motor...just wouldn't start due to electric.
What about the VW dealerships. How are they to deal with? Would have gotten a mini cooper clubman if it had been Diesel. May get it anyway Your thoughts.
This is the part number for the iPod cable. This only applies to those who have the navigation system with the MDI. (Media-Interface aka Media-In) You can purchase this part at the local dealer. They should be able to order it. This will allow full integration of the iPod. No video support though. No album art either but much better than the VW iPod adaptor. It even shows the song info on the MFI display. Hope this helps.
since Tiguan's arrive in two weeks why isn't there more definitive spec.'s at the dealerships. I've been to two and they're clueless. I know more than they do...and they act disinterested. It is now May 4th
Some say they are already on sale. Supposedly today is the onsale date. VW is very interested in bringing a TDI tiguan but can't due to cost restrictions. The Tiguan TDI will likely use the clean 2.0L 140 HP engine. This is a new design that meets the 50 state standards.
VW will be releasing a Bluetooth kit within the next 6 months. Will have full RNS-510 integration with touch screen dialing. This new kit will probably have the Bluetooth A2DP in addition to the usual hands free profiles. The A2DP profile allows you to stream music from your phone to the RNS-510 headhunit. The RNS-510 integration is quite good. Touch screen dialing, Contact list, settings, answer/recieve, and 6 different phone number presets. Hope this helps.
On the VW site for the Tiguan its says: Fuel Requirement: Premium fuel recommended for maximum performance. Does this mean you can use regular, 87 Octain too? According to Consumer Reports, if it does not "require" premium, you can use regular 87 Octain. It would be much easier if VW just gave the minimum Octain requirement? Anyone have any better information? :confuse:
Not an expert here, but before i bought my 07 Audi A3....i went through this exact same question-discussion here on the edmunds forums.
Everyone has their own opinion. But i think the bottom line is this:if the manufacturer recommends premium. USE PREMIUM, if you dont, performance can suffer and Gas milage will be less....and opinions differ on if it'll harm the engine...lots of people use regular from what i read.....i went with premium with no regrets....the added cost isn't as great as you would think it would be. And i agree all manufacturers should design their engines to run on regular.
Coming out in October. Made by Nokia for VW. This system will be retrofittable so you can install it later. The new bluetooth kit should have all the bluetooth features including bluetooth audio. Also will integrate to the RNS-510 which is nice. The RNS-510 has some nice touch screen features which is cool. Touch screen dialing and 6 number presets. Could have used the European skoda kit which has a US english option. That doesn't have bluetooth audio but does have RNS-510 integration. This kit will finally utilize the mysterious phone button.
The pricing is crazy on this car. Why not buy an RDX or anX3 for the money that VW wants. This car needs to cost 5K less for it to sell. I'm very disappointed.
I just drove a Tiguan at a local dealer here in Valley Forge, PA. Seemed like a very nice small SUV, somewhere in between the pricing and luxury of an Acura RDX and a Toyota RAV4. The base price is only 23k. However the SEL version with leather seats, NAV and sunroof bumps you up to 36k. You can get the NAV system as a stand alone option on an SE model for 32k.
This is pretty much exactly what I am looking for, but VW reliability scares me. We have a 2000 Passat that's basically falling apart at 50k miles.
If reliability scares you, *stay away* from any first year model. You're just asking for trouble. If you really want one, get it at the end of the model year. Oh, and get an extended warranty for the added piece of mind as VW has reduced their warranty to 3 years and (I think) 36k miles.
Why not buy an X3? Because they are dangerous.The 07 and 08 X3 AT have transmission issues yet to be resolved. In fact after two years they are still working on software upgrades.The transmission on the X3 is so erratic it will hesitate while entering traffic, merging, or just trying to get out of the way of a semi. Not the car I want my family in. I am getting rid of my 07 X3 shortly and will be looking at an RDX. :lemon:
Actually VW says it's ok to use 87 on the Tiguan. You can use Premium if you have the extra 20 to 30 cents for it. The gas cap says you should use premium but VWoA says it's just fine to use 87.
Just found out that later 09 Tiguans will get Bluetooth as standard. Maybe standard in the SE and SEL since they have the multi function wheel with multi function display. Coming out by October at the latest.
This one looks nice but what about reliability? I've read a lot of horror stories about VW. How much is the extended warranty from VW? Does it cover everything?
I was disappointed with the pricing as well. It seems that VW is trying to kill itself in the U.S. by putting too high of a price on a car that's not really luxurious. I think they need to remember that volkswagen literally means "people's car" in German. In other words a car that it affordable! I can't believe privacy glass doesn't even come on the bottom "S" trimline. For that price I might as well hop up to a LR2, a vehicle with some real luxury, not just mediocrity at luxury prices!
I think the highest trim can compete nicely with the LR2. And I don't know if you checked LR2 prices lately, but a HSE with technology (nav) and lighting (xenon) packages tops out at almost $41k.
I like to add my own metal hylid (sp) VERY dark window tint (live in S. florida). Manufacurers tint is not as good and prevents me from adding my own. The think i care about is getting BiodieseI....NOW. Better yet , pair biodiesel with Hybrid and I will pay almost ANY price. VW will be increasing their warrenties next year similar to mini cooper warrenty.
i've heard that about VW too. Their warrenty improves next year. ...hope they honor it. biodiesel is supposed to be more reliable...that's what i'm ...waiting, waiting waiting for. The salesmen asked me "why i hadn't bought their diesel when it was out years ago if thats what i wanted'" he doesn't get it . I didn't want that diesel...I want tier2 bin5 diesel.....night and day . All the vw salesmen seem to have little tech knowledge in all areas of the autos they sell. Makes me miss my Subaru Outback that I just sold.
Their warrenty improves next year. ...hope they honor it.
Actually the warranty gets worse. It goes from 4 years/48k miles, to 3 years/36k miles if I'm not mistaken. Drive train is covered for longer. You do get scheduled all scheduled service for "free" at 10k, 20k, and 30k miles.
A Tiguan SEL 4Motion fully loaded tops at $37,500. That's quite a bit cheaper than the LR2 HSE. But you're more than welcome to go with the LR2 if you feel it's a better value for you.
Well, first of all Biodiesel does not have to be made from products like corn like E85. Biodiesel can be made from our food waste products like all the grease that is disposed of from fast food places that us fat americans eat at. Second, Biodiesel typically gives more power and more torque and at the same time gives better mileage (also unlike E85 which decrease mileage by 20-25%) and better emissions.
Also, E85 is difficult to transport and needs an extensive infrastructure before it should even be considered as a realistic alternative. Biodiesel can be made locally eliminating the cost and waste involved in fuel transportation.
Joke huh? Hmm, maybe you should reconsider that statement?
The availability of used food oil is very, very limited and would never make any serious dent for the masses. There are trade offs for all these alternative fuels, maybe you should do some reasearch, here is a little bit: "Many advocates suggest that waste vegetable oil is the best source of oil to produce biodiesel, but since the available supply is drastically less than the amount of petroleum-based fuel that is burned for transportation and home heating in the world, this local solution does not scale well."
Bio's definitely not a joke and still holds real promise... Bio's long-term future and hope, is all the research going into finding organic material to make it, in sufficient quantities to mass produce without negatively impacting food supply.. There is a lot of hope and research going into algae or possibly switchgrass. There's also a plethora of missinformation regarding biodiesel out there. Ethanol, technically a biofuel, is the real culprit when it comes to robbing the food supply, not biodiesel.
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Who heard they would be coming out with one. How realistic. WHEN? Meanwhile, after owning two Outbacks I'm gettering weary of their design elements but not their AWD, Weather band,4 W.Disc..., wonderful sound system, total reliability.
Will they be like everybody else? 2010-2011....maybe.
Sick of waiting for Diesel ...AND wish it wasn't in a sedan and didn't use UREA (like Honda has).
Has anyone been able to pin down VW on when the Tiguan will have the 2.0L Diesel in the US????
Nuthead.
I'm more concerned about fuel economy, reliability and comfort than I am about any kind of zoom-zoom.
I can wait until 2010 and compare the features of each.
Meanwhile, i just read finally, in automobile magazine about Subaru arriving in Diesel in 2010 and Both Honda and Subaru will give us the more effieicient Diesel withOUT urea.
Hopefully there's a significant redesign of BOTH the Accord and whatever Subaru comes out with. I've owned both for a long time and it's getting old.
Too it's about 30% better mileage....and the vehicle should last longer especially without the UREA (piss).
Not even worth a look.
The new Media Interface for VW aka MDI. Will have full integration with the new Touch screen RNS-510 navigation system. It can support USB, Aux in and iPod. Full iPod integration. The iPod integration works much better than the current one. Requires a harness but there is supposedly one. 1 site has this for 255 USD but it might be cheaper when it comes out. Mounts in the armrest or glove compartment depending on vehicle. It also works great with USB thumb drive. It even shows the ID3 tags over the CAN bus. That way it will integrate with the MFI display. Will officially come out this May. Right when the Tiguan is coming out. The unit does come with the USB cable but the Ipod cable is seperate. It's a special cable but should be under 100 US. More like 50 to 75 USD. Aux in will probably cost that much. It's a special plug and interface. Hope this helps.
Not sure what lack of reliability you are talking about. Consumer Reports, one of the more conservative rating organization, loves the new 2.5 Rabbits and Jettas and makes them recommended buys. Certainly rated much better than a number of recent Toyotas. TrueDelta and others have long found no significant difference between the MkVs (on which the Tiguan is based) and typical cars from Japanese manufacturers. European sites are even clearer about this, and the Tiguan is selling like hot cakes, over there. Moreover, Diesel VWs have traditionally been yet more reliable, with engines easily lasting between 200,000 and 400,000 miles.
The Diesel Tiguan may come as early as early next year - not "late date 2010." No one knows for sure, at this point. Blame the horrific exchange rates... I wouldn't buy one without a Diesel.
Meanwhile, if electric is the ONLY issue it has problems with ----nothing else works right when the Sending unit & other elec. doen't work. I got over having ele. problems when I owned a Jeep Wrangler (it goes where its' towed to). Great motor...just wouldn't start due to electric.
What about the VW dealerships. How are they to deal with?
Would have gotten a mini cooper clubman if it had been Diesel. May get it anyway
Your thoughts.
This is the part number for the iPod cable. This only applies to those who have the navigation system with the MDI. (Media-Interface aka Media-In) You can purchase this part at the local dealer. They should be able to order it. This will allow full integration of the iPod. No video support though. No album art either but much better than the VW iPod adaptor. It even shows the song info on the MFI display. Hope this helps.
MSRP = $37K!! :surprise:
I guess you'd compare it to an Acura RDX at about the same price... but, those aren't selling, either..
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Do not expect a Tiguan less than $28,000. Think about an Outlander if you cannot afford a Tiguan 2.0L petrol. All just propaganda.
Everyone has their own opinion. But i think the bottom line is this:if the manufacturer recommends premium. USE PREMIUM, if you dont, performance can suffer and Gas milage will be less....and opinions differ on if it'll harm the engine...lots of people use regular from what i read.....i went with premium with no regrets....the added cost isn't as great as you would think it would be.
And i agree all manufacturers should design their engines to run on regular.
This is pretty much exactly what I am looking for, but VW reliability scares me. We have a 2000 Passat that's basically falling apart at 50k miles.
You aren't comparing apples to apples.
The think i care about is getting BiodieseI....NOW.
Better yet , pair biodiesel with Hybrid and I will pay almost ANY price.
VW will be increasing their warrenties next year similar to mini cooper warrenty.
NOW !!!!!!! not in december 2008.
Their warrenty improves next year. ...hope they honor it.
biodiesel is supposed to be more reliable...that's what i'm ...waiting, waiting waiting for.
The salesmen asked me "why i hadn't bought their diesel when it was out years ago if thats what i wanted'" he doesn't get it . I didn't want that diesel...I want tier2 bin5 diesel.....night and day . All the vw salesmen seem to have little tech knowledge in all areas of the autos they sell. Makes me miss my Subaru Outback that I just sold.
Actually the warranty gets worse. It goes from 4 years/48k miles, to 3 years/36k miles if I'm not mistaken. Drive train is covered for longer. You do get scheduled all scheduled service for "free" at 10k, 20k, and 30k miles.
A Tiguan SEL 4Motion fully loaded tops at $37,500. That's quite a bit cheaper than the LR2 HSE. But you're more than welcome to go with the LR2 if you feel it's a better value for you.
I guess I was wrong on the MDI's iPod cable. This only works on navigation models. Nav models have the MDI.
Also, E85 is difficult to transport and needs an extensive infrastructure before it should even be considered as a realistic alternative. Biodiesel can be made locally eliminating the cost and waste involved in fuel transportation.
Joke huh? Hmm, maybe you should reconsider that statement?
"Many advocates suggest that waste vegetable oil is the best source of oil to produce biodiesel, but since the available supply is drastically less than the amount of petroleum-based fuel that is burned for transportation and home heating in the world, this local solution does not scale well."