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Chevrolet C/K vs Silverado



  • You are pretty nieve if you think that your Honda is going to not have any problems.

    A quart in 3k miles is normal. The auto industry has said that for years. My past GM trucks have used a slight bit between oil changes, but nothing to complain about. Very similar to your report. All of my trucks have been very reliable and good trucks. They never had oil smoke coming out the tail pipe, but always a little low on oil between changes. A lot of that comes from conventional petroleum based oils. Most of oil consumption on new vehilces is from oil that has broken down in composition, not from poor tolerances of internal parts, etc.

    If you want to stop or at least greatly reduce the oil consumption of your truck, use a good synthetic. If you are going to do it, now is much better than later. Synthetics break down much less quickly than conventionals and will be consumed much less. You may even eliminate the oil consumption all together.

    You have a normal condition. Your reaction is what drives most people to erroneously blame the auto industry and slam car makes when there really wasn't a real problem. They usually buy something else, only to have some of the same problems with that vehicle and they slam that make also. Eventually they run out of vehicles to go to and they return to the brand that they had in the very beginning. Seen it too many times.
  • That extra quart of oil could cost $0.69 a month if you drive 36,000 miles a year. That's too high a price to pay!

    Me too. I'm going out right now, and trade my '99 oil burning Silverado for an Accord. Heck, most people don't need a truck, and and Accord has 90% of what most owners need, steering wheel, seats, wipers etc. If you need to haul something, well that's what UPS if for.

  • For Your Info, All my life I've owned japanese cars, and I can put it on my mom that none of them have burnt a miligram of oil, and I've always used
    the same brand of oil. Not to mention, I'm hard on them little four bangers, and they have always come through. I have nothing against chevy, I own a 72 pickup, which is hot rodded out, and it doesn't even burn a whole quart every 3,000. Of course back in 72 the original owner only paid oh maybe $1,200 for it, not $30,000 the price of an acre of land! And you want me to chance it an try synthetic, and what? Wait till it consumes a quart every 1,000 miles? I'd think about it before I go around calling people "Nieve".
    You're nieve to get burnt by the GM corporation. They don't care about little old you or me, they're a billion dollar corporation!!!
  • cdeancdean Posts: 1,110
    Mr. ChevyCk

    You are a bitter person, but i've spent many years mechanic-ing, and i'm here to tell you that, the oil consumption is fine. Its not that your engine is crappy or worn out. I've put many miles on GMs, some used oil, some didn't. I've heard the later models use a little oil, and since I just bought a '98, i'm going to find out.

    I know a guy who has a old 7.3 diesel Ford. From day 1, it used a quart of oil every 2,000 miles. It has been his business/work truck for 7 years. It now has 210,000 miles on it, and it still uses a quart of oil every 2,000 miles. And running strong.

    Sorry you think GM all burned us. I'm satisfied, as well as Quad and BLD.

    But i'm laughing at why you bought a truck in the first place if you're replacing it with a car...

    Its normal. don't worry about it. That engine will outlast the rest of the truck. just keep an eye on the oil every 2 or 3 weeks.
  • You are right. None of us know anything about trucks. You "should" trade that junker off for a Honda. That Honda won't have any problems. Certainly won't use any oil. However, please do us a favor. When you trade that junker off, please don't post in here any more. We all like our oil burning GM junk here and it is very disrespectful and sets people wrong when you slam our trucks which you obviously know very little if anything about.

    Thank you and again, good luck with that Honda.
  • well guys, sorry if I sounded rude, but I decided to keep it, anyway if the engine blows up, I can build one of my "special recipe" small blocks that will outperform the vortec. You're a mechanic, would I have a hard time fitting in a different V-8 to the tranny? I mean like a 454 or a older 350 to a late 90's tranny?
  • If you want to put good engine in your truck the old 67-79 Pontiac 6.6 or 400 is a very good engine if the current engine blows acorrding to what I have read. It costs $4000 to Rebuild this engine yourself once you have found one but for up to 451 HP & 459 of torque in unsupercharged form one would think it to be worth it. The new issue of the Petersen "Engines" Yearly has the specifics on what you would have to do to start and finish this project on your own, but make sure you consult with a mechanic like "cdean" just in case you make a mistake.
  • cdeancdean Posts: 1,110
    Not sure how an older engine will fit the tranny. Never had to do that. I'd say 454 won't fit. Older 350 probably will fit the tranny, but will take quite a few modifications to fit the rest of the truck (throttle cable, AC, fuel lines, steering, exhaust, all potential pains in the [non-permissible content removed], but do-able.) don't worry, you shouldn't have to.
  • RoclesRocles Posts: 985
    How does a guy own a "hot-rodded out" 72 Chevy and consider trading his 99 for a Honda Accord? This makes no sense. None.
    One would assume that there are major differences between a small car to a full-size truck. Would you use the 72 as the "utility" vehicle? A hot-rod?
    I'm confused.

    My 78 F-250 with the 351 has been burning up a quart of oil every 3-4k since Day One. That truck has outlasted many over the years for my firm. I think it was worth the extra 1.25.
  • I think most here agree with you Roc.
  • In my first post I said I planned on getting an older truck that I could pay off, and get a new Accord, and still save money, good old Rocles knows it all to knock me. As for your Ford, well Fords burn oil period, I've had 60's 283's, and they burned none, so if you want to go and get burnt that it's normal for a New engine to burn oil, well that's due to your ingnorance. If I build an engine and it burns oil, well it's time to pull it and get to the bottom of it, I haven't had one yet. But I don't know about you, Oh, I forgot, you're a ford guy. And duh, no I wouldn't use my non-oil-burning hot rod for utility, if you knew how to read, you would have known, that I planned to buy a junker like your ford,---NOT a chevy of course. And don't knock chevys cuz my new one burns oil, I just got stuck with a lemon. So don't get confused, well you already are, you own a Ford, and you think its NORMAL for an engine to burn oil. Fords don't blow up because they don't have enough power to blow themselves up. I've seen maniacs blow Chevies with push-rods comin out of the hood, and rods, and mains out the oil pan. And they ran great up until they locked up. As for guys like you two, what are you going to tell me next? That if it starts knocking, that's normal too???!!! I wouldn't doubt it!HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
  • No, my only comment to you chucklehead is that you must be very very young.

    Your last post is even more ignorant than your originals. Your batting average sucks.
  • cdeancdean Posts: 1,110

    most older vehicles burned oil when rings weren't properly seated. those vehicles engines only lasted 100,000 miles because the tight seal wore the rings quickly.

    FAST FORWARD to 2000. engineering has improved. ring material is MUCH better and longer lasting. today's engines can go up to and over 300K w/o losing compression due to ringwear.

    the price paid for this harder longer lasting material is difficult to fully seal and that it couldburn a little oil. some trucks do, some don't, BUT THEY ALL LAST.

    For further reference, please reread post# 35. you didn't get a lemon. it will be naive and a poor decision to get rid of your truck for that reason alone. especially since it sounds like you like the truck.

    not being condescending, just trying to help. i'm an ex-mechanic, currently a mechanical engineer. trust me, your truck will be fine.
  • I heard in another post that these new engines had Plastic valve stem seals, and that they failed on a guy at about 69,000 miles, by then my warranty will go out, and I'll be stuck having to do that myself. The guy also said by then that his truck was wasting over a quart every thousand miles. What if that happens to me. I'll probably blow it by then anyway, don't you think?
    Post#35, So you're tellin me that for $30k you get to keep an eye on the oil!? Maybe I should put a mini-intercom system and listen for knocks too huh?
  • dont see how a truck is gonna blow up because it is using a quart of oil like that

    just keep puttin it in and it'll be alright
  • RoclesRocles Posts: 985
    What's wrong? Did I strike a nerve? I've owned more GM products in 15 years than you'll ever own. So why start a brand war and call ALL Fords junkers? Who is teh know-it-all now? Uh..response?
    Did you notice that I said I had a 78? Do you think the comparable 350 and 360 of the day were better? to hear this one. 283s? Yeah...stop qouting some stupid hot-rod mag--they weren't that great. Back then, people would kill for the Hemis. (whoops--He probably thinks ALL Dodges are crap too!)
    I also own a personal 89 K-1500 to complement my 98 F-150. That 350 also eats oil--is it a lemon? Any comments?
    Instead of a stupid brand war, I was merely pointing out in my earlier post that an $1.25 for an oil change is nothing to cry like a girl about. So your truck(as you claim you own) eats oil? So what? What self-respecting Chevy(or junker-ie-Ford/Dodge brand) owner would sell his truck for an ACCORD? Oh're also getting a junker? Sure--like that wouldn't have problems...LOL!!

    You still do not make sense.
  • mgdvhmanmgdvhman Posts: 4,162
    in here....but you guys seem to argue just fine without me!


    - Tim
  • with ya all the way Roc! Sounds like one of those Tundra owners that claims superiority, but can't tell anyone specifics of why the Tundra is superior. They can't explain to anyone how their truck's design is beneficial over any other or how and why their Tundra is more reliable. Their comments always go back to something they read in "Consumer Reports" magazine, which is known to be highly biased to the imports. Nothing of real value to prove their points. The comments here sound the same.

    I am through with my soapbox now.
  • cdeancdean Posts: 1,110
    Listen buddy, you need to calm down and actually listen. Your engine will be fine, and nothing is going to blow up. I don't know where you get this stuff from.

    GM's are known for their valve guide stems leaking. rarely does the oil usage get as high as 1 qt per 1000.


    As Far as post #35, i don't know what kind of owner you are, but I keep an eye on the engine oil of all my items. Lawn mower, boat, car, weed eater, generator, etc. I don't care if the SOB costs $40 or $40,000, YOU SHOULD ALWAYS KEEP ON EYE ON THE OIL!!!! an inconspicous leak can occur in anything. if you are too lazy to pop the hood every 2 weeks, you should be taking a cab. that way you don't have to start it the car, put it in gear, use the blinker....

    I've just been trying to help you make a good decision, but with your attitude, I'm going to make a new recomendation. Get rid of the truck. Someone else deserves the great GM powertrain more than you.

    OK, Tim, I'm through. Think of this as a little relief pitching for you, ball is back in your glove.
  • mgdvhmanmgdvhman Posts: 4,162
    I don't want the ball man!

    I've put my soapbox away a long time ago....especially on useless topics like The Tundra!


    - Tim
  • RoclesRocles Posts: 985
    You're right on. This guy probably doesn't even own a truck as well......and if he is debating between an Accord or this nice truck then he should sell it to someone who will appreciate it.

    Isn't this your job? Boy, I don't like this wrath thing too much......You're better suited for the role. ;)
  • Your right about the Toyota Trucks when it takes a company 6 years to figure out that they have to put a 8 in a truck you know even talking about them is useless. The fact is that the DC, Ford & GM Trucks are alot better made than any Japanese trucks. I can't wait till the new DC pickups come out I have a feeling that even the GM's will be overshadowed for a while. Considering they overhauled the Pickup section of the Auto marketplace back in 1994 after being dorment for 16 years. As for the Fords its sad they are the best selling truck because they will soon be the worst of the Big Three pickups by far. Right now even I have to admit the GM's are the best. As for the oil guy he sounds uninformed about oil and engines. So let's ignore him for a while and get back to the original topic of this disscussion!
  • dberrydberry Posts: 22
    Last time I looked, It isn't as big as a truck. It doesn't look like a truck. It doesn't haul like a truck. So, why compare it to a truck?
  • mgdvhmanmgdvhman Posts: 4,162
    come on...It's a toyota!

    ....(see I didn't even say Toiletta!)....)until just then)

    Give me a good Dodge/Ford VS Chevy debate....not some lame import that doesn't know what full size means....except for full size price!!

    - Tim
  • If anyone in this disscusion owns a 70's GM Fullsize he could put it in there I have no doubt it would work very well since it is older.
  • Instead of that honda, get ya one of them tundras now. It be bout the same thing. Heard tell from some folk that them tundra ones be perfect. Wont get that burnin of oil from them limited ones for sure. Bet ya fit right in with them folk too! Good luck on this one now!
  • Sorry to hear about your lemon, but there are many on this board with GM trucks that have over 200K miles on them just like your Toyota. I have a Buick LeSabre that has 160,000 miles on it and still runs like new (I drive it 52 miles round trip to work everyday) with only a worn alternator and fuel pump replaced (at 130K and 149K respectively). I understand your anger at GM for not doing the right thing, but your lemon could just as easily have been a Ford, Dodge, or even a Toyota.
    I've owned 5 GM cars/trucks in my driving lifetime and never had any problem with any of them. That's the whole reason I keep going back to them. One bad one doesn't make all of them bad. Good luck with your truck.
  • Don't bother with ole' sour puss delta225. He probably thinks Consumer Reports is factual data.

    Like I have said before. 3 Toyota's all left me walking at some point well before 40k miles. I have owned many new and used GM trucks over the last 16 years and never had to walk with any of them.

    Let the ole sour grape pay way too much for a Toyota AND HAVE ALL THE SAME PROBLEMS ANYWAY!
  • Sounds like maintenance or your truck was built on monday. I have a 96 Cheyenne w/151,835 and a 96 Silverado w/87,243, and my neighbor has a 96 w/154,789. Every one has had the famous rattle since new, however they all run like new and use no oil! Either you didnt take care of it or you just got a bad engine.
    Major repairs are as follows
    my 96 Cheyenne, oil changes,brakes,tires and just recently, an alternator.
    my 96 Silverado, oil changes,tires,cd player (when new),a/c clutch bearings at 44k.
    neighbors 96, oil changes, brakes, tires, alternator, idler pulley, o2 sensor, a/c clutch bearings.

    Not too bad.
  • oldharryoldharry Posts: 413
    cottrell 1,
    Your comment about Ford's sales position and quality is a point I use to compare Ford and MicroSoft. Microsoft sells more WINDOWS(tm) operating systems than anyone else, but Apple and IBM both have better. Ford sells more pickups than GM or DC, but . . . Well, you know.
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