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And the '06 Sonata is light years ahead of the '01-'06 Elantra.
"That's a darned impressive feat and speaks to how well designed and engineered the 3-year-old car was when it was introduced, and remains so to this day." - Edmunds
The Accord is aging gracefully down the rankings
I really want to see how the Accord will hold up against the new Altima and Camry. I hope C&D comes out with another comparison.
Did anyone bookmark that article? I thought I had, but can't find it and don't have a bunch of time to search through back posts????
~alpha
The Accord did put Honda on the map, but the latest version is stalling against the competition. Gracefully?
The top of the line accord should be good, there is no doubt. But with the premium to pay for that, and now that you could get a v6 sonata or even fusion v6 compared to a v4 accord(even next gen), honda and toyota will lose their bite as the years progress with the crowed that buy most of these kind of cars.(how about more value or lowering the prices for once)
As far as the other poster and the Accord, its been out for four years now. Its sales are still quite strong. They are both good cars, its just a personal preference. We will have to wait and see how the 2008 model is received. I have not seen anything concrete, other than rumors.
As far as the civic is concerned, Honda is selling these vehicles close to their asking price. There is huge demand for this vehicle, which is awesome.
As far as the Pilot, those are on the lots, but they are still selling. Most mid/full size SUYs have been hurt with the rise in gas prices. Heck even the hybrid Highlandedr is not selling that well in my area with significant discounts.
The Civic I'm certain is doing spectacularly this year since the redesign and may even pass both the Corolla and the Accord by the end of the year putting it behind only the Camry. The new Civic is a wonderful advancement and may sell triple the 3's sales. I think the only limitation is the capacity to fulfill the demand. Hyundai should have such a vehicle in it's stable.... ( rear drums or not )
v6 compared to a v4 accord
I think you mean i4? :P
I've seen a Mazda 6 by Hertz in my school parking deck.
ESC is a good safety feature that's about it.
The rest is ho hum. It's the Azera that's in the upper class of the Camry..not the Sonata. Hyundai itself has decided that.
Above $25000 the Azera will fight the Camry/Avalon pair. The Sonata is not an entry in this battle. Hyundai has it directed to the budget-conscious buyer not the entry-lux buyer. That's the Azera's territory.
People will buy the SE V6 or XLE V6 Camry in a heartbeat over the ( likely excellent ) Azera. I showed you the comparison of the features but you seem to have lost that post. It's there.
http://autos.msn.com//advice/article.aspx?contentid=4023925
Here are the top ten bestsellers for the first quarter of 2006, based on data published by Automotive News:
1. Ford F-Series 199,801
2. Chevrolet Silverado 145,353
3. Toyota Camry 93,775
4. Dodge Ram 90,386
5. Honda Civic 78,479
6. Honda Accord 76,954
7. Chevrolet Impala 64,433
8. Nissan Altima 60,628
9. Dodge Caravan 58,624
10. Chevrolet Cobalt 52,527
The Impala is ahead of the Sonata??? This is a joke or a misprint. :surprise:
From the value standpoint, Azera seems to have a lot going for it, but in the end I went with the Toyota because they have a longer track record, and after testing the 2007 Camry XLE V6 I was hooked. It's a great car and after driving it for 1500 miles in the past 11 days there is nothing which persuades me that I made the wrong decision.
Not only is it very powerful, it is economical: on the highway I am getting about 31 mpg, just like they say you can get. If the trip computer is close then when I do my next fillup I might be at 32 to 33 mpg. I might get 530 miles out of this tank before filling up!
Excellent for a vehicle barely broken in. Good driving too.
Its more fun to read this forum than read a sci-fi novel.
Am I missing something?
1. Ford F-Series 199,801
2. Chevrolet Silverado 145,353
3. Toyota Camry 93,775
4. Dodge Ram 90,386
----Corolla should be here----82,287
5. Honda Civic 78,479
6. Honda Accord 76,954
7. Chevrolet Impala 64,433
8. Nissan Altima 60,628
9. Dodge Caravan 58,624
10. Chevrolet Cobalt 52,527
I'm not saying that just because it is Camry, V6 3500LB cars in general.
If that V6 car gets that good of MPG, Y they also made Hybrid version of it?
Value, value, and value.
And for the paltry sum of $18K out the door, you can get this:
http://www.powerwheelmods.com/images/sonata.avi
Listen and weep.
BTW, where did you find the sales numbers for the Toyota Corolla? How many more errors are contained in the listing?
sometimes makes you wonder.. personally, I think they all copied the model T.
Now the V6 Sonata is a better showing for the power it gets, which is 235 hp. The Camry gets the same mileage but manages to squeeze another 33 hp out of it, some 14% better than the Sonata. Maybe not exciting but significant. The XLE uses regular unleaded, too.
It's also summarized on several auto sites.
Also, the consumer you cite that "only got" 26 MPG- was he past the break-in period? My Nissan jumped about 15% in fuel efficiency only after about 5000 miles.... what was the city/highway split for that 26 MPG? His 205 horse Olds Intrigue managed 29 MPG? Again, I'd have the same question, but also note the 63 horse discrepancy.
This is not true actually. In my 150 mi RT commute every day now I obtain the stated EPA values on my Prius.
If you want the full explanation I'll post it on the Prius forum.
It's all a matter of the driver and each's specific conditions. It's neither false nor misleading just misunderstood and few have taken the time to find out why this is so.
Putting that in perspective, their last Camry, an 05 4 cylinder 5A, achieved a combined 24 MPG overall, and tested at 9.7 seconds to 60- not quite a second, but a noticeable enough difference.
Also, the 4 cylinder Hyundai Sonata tested for the March '06 issue posted a 0-60 time of 10.5 seconds (same as Prius), but achieved 23 MPG overall.
So, EVEN IF the Prius doesn't hit the EPA figures, it still manages to increase fuel efficiency by about 90% compared to vehicles with similar passenger space.
I'm not saying that just because it is Camry, V6 3500LB cars in general.
Buddy, it's simple math. 31 MPG times 18.5 gallons equals 573 miles to empty. You can do the same with a Sonata I-4 and come up with 33 MPG x 17.7 gallons = 584.1 miles. Its not hard to do...I usually fill up at around 400 miles in my Accord EX, and it takes about 13-14 gallons or so, so I'm getting around 30 MPG in my mixed driving.
I regularly achieve 36 MPG in my 3300 lb Accord I-4 on beach runs, and have gotten as high as 40 MPG in a special case (no A/C, moderate temps, only 1 passenger and 1 suitcase, planets aligned, etc...). I have no reason to doubt he can hit EPA numbers or higher, because, after all, the EPA lowers numbers by SEVERAL MPGs on the sticker from what they actually achieve.
Automakers lock up their design one or two years prior to release is very typical; only in certain circumstances where massive changes are made. Example: I would think Honda has already locked up its design on the 08 Accord, or at least they are coming down to the home stretch.
Actually, the current Sonata debuted and was released in 2004. For all purposes and considerations, any accusations of copying is false.
At GH the Mean is 47.5 mpg over the entire population. But even with that there are explanations. If you are interested I can explain in more detail. BTW it doesn't apply just to the hybrids. It's every vehicle on the road.
I even got 25 mpg in my Lexus LS400 consistently. You might not get this, but a disciplined and careful driver can.
Camry: 31.1 mpg for the last fillup. I will post it again today after filling up this evening. I hope it is even better.
Yes, I'd like more evidence, but I'm not going to ask for it, since it'd be hard to come up with conrete evidence. It does not take 4 years to change a taillight design...And I don't feel the front of the car looks like anything else on the road. The rear is suspect, though.
I count 1 year and half, AT MOST (since it debuted in 04)
Let's face it, in the mainstream mid-size sedan arena, there just isn't a whole lot of break-through styling. Even the '86 Taurus followed the Tempo and the Audi 5000.
The whole segment is so converged that of course everything looks derivative of each other, intentional or not.
-juice
Was the new Sonata techincally a 2005 model? When did it hit lots?
I'm past the whole design thing or trying to argue it, since there is really no point (doesn't matter since the new Accords have a different design anyway). Just trying to understand a couple of things:
1) When did the Sonata hit dealers?
2) What year/model was it technically?
3) How do you know when the new Sonata design was set?
Thanks a lot!
So forget about it!