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I've been a member since early 2003 and an unregistered lurker for some time before that. Have 41 posts since then. You on the other hand have only been a member for only 7 months and over 500 posts. I apologize for my life outside of Edmunds.
This has been the most active I've been since registering. As I stated many times. The Civic was purchase solely on getting decent gas mileage. I sacrificed utility for mileage and I regret it. No other car I've had caused me to be so active.
This forum is about mpg for the Civic right? Maybe we should have separate forums for users that get really good mileage and the ones that don't feel that the mileage is what they expected. That way the handful of happy 35+ mpg club can hang out and be left alone.
The few that are not complaining, sure do alot of chest pounding of the mileage they get and continue to repeat the same ol' song and dance. But when there is a complaint, this bunch are quick to knock it down. Which is likely why some don't come back or respond. It's useless.
This is the typical interaction:
A new member comes in and states their mileage, states the facts, and opens up to the forum in their frustration.
This bunch will then over analyze it and read too much into it, insulting the members' intelligence.
New member is even more frustrated and tries to clarify the facts.
Happy bunch has no idea why new user is getting the terrible mileage cause Happy bunch member is getting 35+ on his/her Civic.
New member shakes head and leaves forum.
Update: Filled up this past Sunday as normal. 23 mpg, same routine. I guess i should remove the 2 kid car seats from the back to reduce weight.
Since this is 6-7 MPG below my average in my ACCORD with 166 hp, I can't help but wonder what "normal" is. We got 23 MPG in our Odyssey with a mix of highway. That was a 3.5L V6.
Well for sure, you got what I have said almost completely wrong. I have NEVER gotten 45 mpg in the Civic. Do I think 45 mpg is possible??? Yes, but at ridiculously LOW speeds. The 38-42 range is typical in the every day commute. So if you divide 27 miles/40 min to 1.5 hours, that it takes for the commute, I think you can see, we do get into gridlock. So to us not the end, but just another day. On longer trips mid to high 30's is normal with almost no attention to fuel mileage. Evidently most folks on this thread didn't find it humorous when I joked: I also wonder what mpg I would get if I really drove for higher mpg.
I KNOW what I get, am I disappointed NO..why? because I didn't buy the car expecting to get the EPA numbers and most especially not the "city" numbers. Is the middle 30's good? yeah... is 23-25 mpg good at low speed and stop and go? yeah it is for me because I do not expect more and it is damn sure better than the SUV we traded for the Civic. I'm a happy camper.
Yes, and that was for a diesel. Why did I mention diesel? Because in comparison even one of the "economy leaders" pales in comparison to diesel's mpg and as I further go on to say in the post, I agree that Civic can be a gas guzzler!! This of course can be in the eye of the beholder. So 50-38/39=12/11 or 28% better.
really don't intend to fan the flames but my best single tank mileage was 44.7 which was a straight highway trip of ~240 miles with the cruise control @72-75mph.
no, my '06 LX coupe AT is not a hybrid.
So accounting principles indicate that over .5 can get rounded up to the next highest number, ie 44.7 is stated as 45 mpg.
actually, the chest pounding is coming more from people like you. I have not insulted or chest pounded at all.
And you have proven my point. You ARE on of those people who bought the civic just for the milage. Does any other aspect of a vehicle appeal to you before you purchase? And if it was only about mileage, doing your research would have shown you what the possible ranges are.
I've said it 1000 times so here is 1001: if your car stickers for 25 mpg in the city and you get 23...
THAT...IS...WITHIN...THE...EPA'S...ESTIMATES.
I truly do not think the cars will vary all that much. Sure there are statistical anomalies. If we could mitigate the liability concerns, I could switch with almost any of those getting so called poor mileage and do EXACTLY nothing different and get very similar fuel mileage to what I have stated I had been getting in mine: in their cars. Will there be some variation? Absolutely.
yep I'm one of those that bought a Honda Civic thinking that it was an economy car. But I'm not the one that should blush - Honda should. Whatever you say, Honda delights in calling itself a brand that gets such high mileage. The Honda salesman certainly spent a long time explaining to my wife and I how much we would save on gas rather than buying another Toyota Camry.
Now that the warm weather is here I was celebrating getting 20 m.p.g. town driving from my Civic. Then it got even warmer and I used the airconditioning for the first time! And yep I'm back down to 16 m.p.g. You can blow all the Honda smoke you want but I know that my wife's Camry gets 26 -28 m.p.g. around the same town, in the same weather, and with the airconditioner on. I still say Honda is guilty of false advertising and think it's only a matter of time before I get included in a class action law suite over it. KennethR
HUH???!!! Yes, pounding my chest proudly cause I'm stating facts about my mileage. I OWN an 07 Civic. I have no hidden agenda. It is what it is.
And you have proven my point. You ARE on of those people who bought the civic just for the mileage.
Well duh! I've said this many times before. R E A D my previous posts.
Does any other aspect of a vehicle appeal to you before you purchase? And if it was only about mileage, doing your research would have shown you what the possible ranges are.
Again I've been here for over 4 years as a registered user. I DO MY research champ, that is why I am here. I'm not here to play paddy cake. I'm here to get as much information as I can before I make a purchase. Reading reviews and stats alone does not make it the right choice. I used my best judgment based on research here and other media. I test drove and liked what I saw. Again read my posts. I have said many times, overall I like the Civic. As many middle income people do. I made a decision based my priorities. Mileage outweighed the extra utility I wanted.
Again in my prior posts. I have stated my mpg figures on previous cars and compared them to the new EPA figures. I based what I thought I'd get in the Civic based on the little numbers the manufacturers list on the sticker. Now that said. The mileage I got from my previous cars were very close to what the actual sticker listed. So my beef with the Civic is very valid. I'm not getting what I thought I should be getting based on prior experiences with the EPA numbers and my actual mileage.
I've said it 1000 times so here is 1001: if your car stickers for 25 mpg in the city and you get 23...
THAT...IS...WITHIN...THE...EPA'S...ESTIMATES.
Broken record, read my previous postings.
I've even manually typed word for word all the EPA figures right off my sticker somewhere here including the range in tiny font from the sticker. I know the range. See above as to why I based my expected mileage.
Note, it's the weekend now. I'll be gone for a bit. Please don't think I'm off and hiding if I don't get back with a response if you'd like to continue our conversation. I'll be back with my ritual like Sunday fill ups of the Civic and minivan and post the figures as this forum is intended for. Have a safe and fun weekend.
Since you do not state the mileage you thought, indeed it might be trumped by the new epa figures. But indeed the advice is the same as to Kennethr, in msg #632.
I know you mean well...OK, 27 mpg. Will that work. (shaking head in disbelief as I prepare to shut 'er down for the night.)
Evidently you chose not to integrate the information given to you based upon your information. Again that is fine. Based upon your information, your mileage will most likely not improve for the majority of your stated situations. If situations do change, perhaps. So really if you are that dissatisfied, move on, seek remedy under the lemon law, a individual lawsuit or class action might be the next step. Let us know how it turns out. It will be interesting to hear from a lawyer if he could successfully win that case.
Your beef, whether you know it or not, is with the EPA, which has recently updated its numbers.
To the owner getting 16 MPG... why aren't you screaming at the dealer, or at a lawyer? Especially if the same driver, in the same conditions, is getting 12 MPG higher in a Camry... invoke the lemon law, and don't waste time doing so.
Of course, there are those following this thread who would think you another non-credible "SHRILL" for Honda, passing hot air, or some other waste byproduct
Harv
Had my wife, 2 kids and my sister; trunk was fairly packed. Tires are at the reccomended settings. Cruised at 70 on the highway; stuck in traffic for about 30 minutes going home.
Beats the mazda5 i used to own that I had to step lightly on just to get 26-27mpg.
I am with you 100%. Honda is guilty of false advertisement.
I only get 26 mpg combo city/hway. The big reason I bought the civic was because of the mileage ratings.
Class action law suite, let's do it. :mad:
?"...:) A lot of these folks talk in terms as my mileage SUX, it is all Honda's and the EPA's fault, yada yada... and now you want to tell em it is a single overhead cam (sohc) type 4 cylinder in line piece of machinery???
I have raised hell at the dealership and I have been told that there is absolutley nothing wrong with my Civic (16 m.p.g. around town). Which means that I am stuck with an underpowered, tiny automobile getting the m.p.g. of my Ford 150!
As for those that repeatedly post the message that Honda doesn't set the m.p.g. averages "it's the E.P.A.; for non-car buffs like me and my wife, we did rely on the honesty of the Honda salesman (now I am blushing) when we were told that yep the reason we should buy the Civic was because it beats the Toyota in m.p.g. AND yes we were told, 32 m.p.g. is what you will get around town because the the blah blah blah type engine, and blah blah blah torque ratios. If I had known what I know now I would have bought a bigger, more powerful automobile that gets the same mileage as my Civic. Lets face it if someone really is an automobile afficionado they wouldn't really by a Honda Civic (would they?)
I really respect those that do understand engineering but certain advertising laws were written to protect those like me that don't. A class action will happen. KennethR
Well the Civic for years served as the basis for the so called "tuner" set. Quite literally a whole industry grew up around the CIVIC. (others also, but this is a Civic thread)
If possible keep us up on the suit. Realistically, I was quite underwhelmed by the remedies of one recently announced Honda Civic settlement. It basically extended the warranty (5%?) on a 3 year OR/36,000 mile warranty. It meant utterly NADA for me, as I got the news at 42,000 miles! On a practical basis, they in effect reimbursed you for a very short list of repairs between the mileage of 36,000 miles to 37,800 miles (1,800 miles, out of warranty) WOP DEE DO! Now if I got 5% of the cost of fuel for 36,000 miles(est 140-200 dollars) .....OR...
if they gave me real cash for faster wearing alignment (100), tires (300), brakes pads (150) and rotors (200) which Honda has been noted for; count me among the mildly underwhelmed!
It makes no sense that there is nothing that can be done to help you improve the mileage you are getting when most others do much better in what is supposed to be the same car.
You really are not going to get anywhere in a class action suit against Honda when they are not responsible for the EPA's numbers, nor are they responsible for what some salesperson told you. You'd be way better off to concentrate your energy on solving the problem instead of trying to cast blame where it isn't going to do you any good. Just a suggestion.
what on earth does "Glad you took on the role of the tallest midget" mean?
As for anyalising my vehicle- I took my car in three times because I couldn't accept the low mileage I am getting, and each time the dealership told me that there is nothing wrong. The first time the service rep asked "Are you using your heater when you first get in?" Then it was the gas I was using! Then it was my wheel alignment (after 2000 miles) was out a fraction and then it was the tire pressure that was a pound low!
When I got a call from Honda California I was told that it was my problem to identify the problem!
I then called the service manager at another Honda dealership and on telling him my problem he told me "It's probably the gas you are using?"
Okay I give up. KennethR