I drive an 01 Civic and usually I fill up at Murphy's. Recently I got the ding ding on the highway so I filled up at a Love's instead. The difference was huge, instead of getting my normal 32 MPG I was getting up to 38 MPG. I am assuming that the gas quality is better at the Love's, and why it would be I have no clue. Also this is not just a fluke because over the past month I have alternated fuels and the results are the same. Has anyone ever noticed this?
Actually I fill at Love's only on the road and with diesel. But I caravaned with a friend to Portland, Oregon once and he mentioned his mileage was better also. He was driving a Chevrolet Suburban.
thank you pat. Notice how no one is complaining anymore? They joined, complained, and will only rear their heads every once in awhile.
I've been a member since early 2003 and an unregistered lurker for some time before that. Have 41 posts since then. You on the other hand have only been a member for only 7 months and over 500 posts. I apologize for my life outside of Edmunds. This has been the most active I've been since registering. As I stated many times. The Civic was purchase solely on getting decent gas mileage. I sacrificed utility for mileage and I regret it. No other car I've had caused me to be so active. This forum is about mpg for the Civic right? Maybe we should have separate forums for users that get really good mileage and the ones that don't feel that the mileage is what they expected. That way the handful of happy 35+ mpg club can hang out and be left alone.
The few that are not complaining, sure do alot of chest pounding of the mileage they get and continue to repeat the same ol' song and dance. But when there is a complaint, this bunch are quick to knock it down. Which is likely why some don't come back or respond. It's useless. This is the typical interaction: A new member comes in and states their mileage, states the facts, and opens up to the forum in their frustration.
This bunch will then over analyze it and read too much into it, insulting the members' intelligence. New member is even more frustrated and tries to clarify the facts.
Happy bunch has no idea why new user is getting the terrible mileage cause Happy bunch member is getting 35+ on his/her Civic.
New member shakes head and leaves forum.
Update: Filled up this past Sunday as normal. 23 mpg, same routine. I guess i should remove the 2 kid car seats from the back to reduce weight.
Update: Filled up this past Sunday as normal. 23 mpg, same routine. I guess i should remove the 2 kid car seats from the back to reduce weight.
Since this is 6-7 MPG below my average in my ACCORD with 166 hp, I can't help but wonder what "normal" is. We got 23 MPG in our Odyssey with a mix of highway. That was a 3.5L V6.
I don't need to swap cars. I own another car, a 1995 Dodge Stratus 4 dr sedan. It has a 2.5 liter V-6 with a 4 speed automatic transmission. This car has 182,000+ miles and drives and runs fine. I drive it to and from work...about a 12 mile rural drive one way. We also use it to drive the 150+ miles one way most week-ends to and from both her and my parents homes in an effort to keep major miles off the Civic. I get no less than 21-22 mpg driving to-from work and typically 25-29 mpg highway (Pa. turnpike)when we travel. 25 mpg in winter and it goes up as the weather warms.The trip last week-end yielded 26.6 mpg. Although 29 is possible 27-28 is routine. I drive at 70-72 mph with occasional bursts to pass trucks which I absolutely hate to follow. I have also rented a lot and almost all rental cars I have had get good (acceptable) fuel economy, even those with V-6 engines e.g. 2006 Sonata 3.3 liter V-6 30mpg highway. You get my argument completely wrong..I am NOT complaining about the 2006 Civic fuel economy because I believe what we get is absolutely typical for this car. What I am railing against is people like you who insist that 45 mpg or more is possible even at ridiculous high speeds..I own the car, I drive conservatively, we don't get into real gridlock and I damn sure know what it gets in easy/favorable driving conditions (and being realistic I am happy with the results) so when I read goofy hyper economy figures it sets me off...now "the end".
..."What I am railing against is people like you who insist that 45 mpg or more is possible even at ridiculous high speeds.."...
Well for sure, you got what I have said almost completely wrong. I have NEVER gotten 45 mpg in the Civic. Do I think 45 mpg is possible??? Yes, but at ridiculously LOW speeds. The 38-42 range is typical in the every day commute. So if you divide 27 miles/40 min to 1.5 hours, that it takes for the commute, I think you can see, we do get into gridlock. So to us not the end, but just another day. On longer trips mid to high 30's is normal with almost no attention to fuel mileage. Evidently most folks on this thread didn't find it humorous when I joked: I also wonder what mpg I would get if I really drove for higher mpg.
In several recent posts you state you got 50 mpg @ 85 mph (post # 606) and in another (post # 589) you got upper 30's @ 80-95 mph. If all this was in your diesel why cloud the issue here when the 2006 Civic fuel economy is being discussed? Now you say you never did get 45 mpg in your Civic, which by the way is a 2004. As a result I am and probably most here are confused. I DO own a 2006 and I have posted our typical driving conditions and routes AND the results over more than a year of use. OK...2006 Civic users/owners do you get closer to 24 mpg "city/or suburban"..take your pick...driving or 30/30+? How about highway? driven at quasi-legal speeds do you get closer to 35-37 mpg or closer to 43-44-even 45 mpg? No hybrids. Is your average about 30-32 or 40+mpg? I get the lower numbers and I believe that is simply what they (2006/07 Civics) get. You cannot alter the basic or inherent combination of aerodynamics, engine design, gear ratios, transmission type (automatic compared to automatic.) enough from car to car to justify the wild differences reported here. You can, to a degree,alter fuel numbers due to individual driving conditions and techniques but once again not that wildly... I KNOW what I get, am I disappointed NO..why? because I didn't buy the car expecting to get the EPA numbers and most especially not the "city" numbers. Is the middle 30's good? yeah... is 23-25 mpg good at low speed and stop and go? yeah it is for me because I do not expect more and it is damn sure better than the SUV we traded for the Civic. I'm a happy camper.
Well for different reasons we are both "conditionally" happy campers. I am happy in the sense the selected tool takes care of the main job for which it was selected, at a good price etc, etc,: a daily commute. It is also adaptable for longer trips, but the greater % has been and continues to be the daily commute.
Yes, and that was for a diesel. Why did I mention diesel? Because in comparison even one of the "economy leaders" pales in comparison to diesel's mpg and as I further go on to say in the post, I agree that Civic can be a gas guzzler!! This of course can be in the eye of the beholder. So 50-38/39=12/11 or 28% better.
Do I think 45 mpg is possible??? Yes, but at ridiculously LOW speeds
really don't intend to fan the flames but my best single tank mileage was 44.7 which was a straight highway trip of ~240 miles with the cruise control @72-75mph.
The few that are not complaining, sure do alot of chest pounding of the mileage they get and continue to repeat the same ol' song and dance.
actually, the chest pounding is coming more from people like you. I have not insulted or chest pounded at all.
And you have proven my point. You ARE on of those people who bought the civic just for the milage. Does any other aspect of a vehicle appeal to you before you purchase? And if it was only about mileage, doing your research would have shown you what the possible ranges are.
I've said it 1000 times so here is 1001: if your car stickers for 25 mpg in the city and you get 23... THAT...IS...WITHIN...THE...EPA'S...ESTIMATES.
Look, all these cars may look the same but they are not the same! Each car is a separate entity. Some randomly have drivetrains that give slightly better/worse mpg. It's the miracle of mass production! Thats all!
Each driver is really the separate entity. So for example, if I told you I finally cleaned the engine on one of my cars, after 91,000 miles; what would you think?
I truly do not think the cars will vary all that much. Sure there are statistical anomalies. If we could mitigate the liability concerns, I could switch with almost any of those getting so called poor mileage and do EXACTLY nothing different and get very similar fuel mileage to what I have stated I had been getting in mine: in their cars. Will there be some variation? Absolutely.
Hi again Eldaino, yep I'm one of those that bought a Honda Civic thinking that it was an economy car. But I'm not the one that should blush - Honda should. Whatever you say, Honda delights in calling itself a brand that gets such high mileage. The Honda salesman certainly spent a long time explaining to my wife and I how much we would save on gas rather than buying another Toyota Camry. Now that the warm weather is here I was celebrating getting 20 m.p.g. town driving from my Civic. Then it got even warmer and I used the airconditioning for the first time! And yep I'm back down to 16 m.p.g. You can blow all the Honda smoke you want but I know that my wife's Camry gets 26 -28 m.p.g. around the same town, in the same weather, and with the airconditioner on. I still say Honda is guilty of false advertising and think it's only a matter of time before I get included in a class action law suite over it. KennethR
I am not sure why you wouldn't commission one. Let us all know when you lock on to one or them. There has actually been class action suits where money have been passed out for stuff like premature wear of brakes pads/rotors. (Toyota) Like I am disappointed with my Civic oem tires as they will probably go 50,000 miles when my VW Jetta tires look good to go to 121,000 miles. Of course that is unrelated to real world Civic MPG. The other more esoteric thing is the gals used is actually a yardstick for engine longevity. The concept is better mpg usually means longer lasting equipment.
Maybe you could get some relief using the lemon law. Something does seem to be wrong with your car. It's not because it's a Honda. It's just the unit you have. You need to start screaming about it. Good Luck.
actually, the chest pounding is coming more from people like you. I have not insulted or chest pounded at all.
HUH???!!! Yes, pounding my chest proudly cause I'm stating facts about my mileage. I OWN an 07 Civic. I have no hidden agenda. It is what it is.
And you have proven my point. You ARE on of those people who bought the civic just for the mileage.
Well duh! I've said this many times before. R E A D my previous posts.
Does any other aspect of a vehicle appeal to you before you purchase? And if it was only about mileage, doing your research would have shown you what the possible ranges are.
Again I've been here for over 4 years as a registered user. I DO MY research champ, that is why I am here. I'm not here to play paddy cake. I'm here to get as much information as I can before I make a purchase. Reading reviews and stats alone does not make it the right choice. I used my best judgment based on research here and other media. I test drove and liked what I saw. Again read my posts. I have said many times, overall I like the Civic. As many middle income people do. I made a decision based my priorities. Mileage outweighed the extra utility I wanted. Again in my prior posts. I have stated my mpg figures on previous cars and compared them to the new EPA figures. I based what I thought I'd get in the Civic based on the little numbers the manufacturers list on the sticker. Now that said. The mileage I got from my previous cars were very close to what the actual sticker listed. So my beef with the Civic is very valid. I'm not getting what I thought I should be getting based on prior experiences with the EPA numbers and my actual mileage.
I've said it 1000 times so here is 1001: if your car stickers for 25 mpg in the city and you get 23... THAT...IS...WITHIN...THE...EPA'S...ESTIMATES.
Broken record, read my previous postings. I've even manually typed word for word all the EPA figures right off my sticker somewhere here including the range in tiny font from the sticker. I know the range. See above as to why I based my expected mileage.
Note, it's the weekend now. I'll be gone for a bit. Please don't think I'm off and hiding if I don't get back with a response if you'd like to continue our conversation. I'll be back with my ritual like Sunday fill ups of the Civic and minivan and post the figures as this forum is intended for. Have a safe and fun weekend.
..."So my beef with the Civic is very valid. I'm not getting what I thought I should be getting based on prior experiences with the EPA numbers and my actual mileage. "...
Since you do not state the mileage you thought, indeed it might be trumped by the new epa figures. But indeed the advice is the same as to Kennethr, in msg #632.
Yes, you sure have. ..."MPG Range 18 to 40"... Indeed if the EPA range is any indication it might get worse.
Evidently you chose not to integrate the information given to you based upon your information. Again that is fine. Based upon your information, your mileage will most likely not improve for the majority of your stated situations. If situations do change, perhaps. So really if you are that dissatisfied, move on, seek remedy under the lemon law, a individual lawsuit or class action might be the next step. Let us know how it turns out. It will be interesting to hear from a lawyer if he could successfully win that case.
I don't understand why everyone wants to blame the Honda corporation for mileage below estimates, when, and everyone hear this PLEASE, HONDA DOES NOT MAKE THE NUMBERS ON THE WINDOW. IT IS NOT FALSE ADVERTISING ON HONDA'S PART!!!!!
Your beef, whether you know it or not, is with the EPA, which has recently updated its numbers.
To the owner getting 16 MPG... why aren't you screaming at the dealer, or at a lawyer? Especially if the same driver, in the same conditions, is getting 12 MPG higher in a Camry... invoke the lemon law, and don't waste time doing so.
I just drove my siter's Civic back from Arizona on a 1935 mile trip. It is LX, 4 door, 5 speed with 54K miles. With full trunk, and two people in the car, it got low of 39.2 and high of 43.63MPG doing 70-75mph.
I would say good for you !! Obviously in terms of the affect on the machinery (gentle) and the effect on the mpg metric, those conditions are in the so called "sweet spot" for the 2001 Civic.
Of course, there are those following this thread who would think you another non-credible "SHRILL" for Honda, passing hot air, or some other waste byproduct
Why are people so personally vested in their gas mileage? I mean it's interesting, but not a measure of personal worth. Our 2006 EX MT - worst was 28, best was just under 42. Believe it or not.
Well in power curve terms, there is. Some to most folks know this, but the Honda is known as one of the "high rev, low torque" variety. As such, it does not "pay" to do a low rev and expect a high torque value, as compared to the Jetta TDI, where high torque comes on at a relatively low rev.
The power curve is not because it's a Honda. It's because it is a SOHC engine. How much horsepower or torque do you think it takes to cruise at 68 mph?
Hey all just did 421 round trip. Went home for Easter this weekend and did about 80/20 hwy/cty. Came home and filled up with 10.6 gallons with 3 bars left. 39.7 MPG!
Had my wife, 2 kids and my sister; trunk was fairly packed. Tires are at the reccomended settings. Cruised at 70 on the highway; stuck in traffic for about 30 minutes going home.
Beats the mazda5 i used to own that I had to step lightly on just to get 26-27mpg.
I bought my civic in May '06. I've now got just over 15,000 miles on my car. When I first bought it, I was religious about tracking my mpg. At that time my commute was about 20 miles each way (75% highway) and I averaged anywhere from 36 to 38 mpg depending on traffic. My commute is now all back roads and my average is around 29 to 31 mpg. If I take a long trip I can still get 38/39 mpg. So bottom line - the mpg does vary drastically based on type of driving (highway, city, back roads, etc.). The variation in mpg is much more drastic than any other car I've owned previously - and this includes two other civic!
"there ain't no sweet spot".....I beg to differ and you contradicted this statement in your very next..."they are machines". Because they ARE machines each make, model, year, body style, size, weight, engine type, final gear ratio and transmission type has a point at which it will get its best fuel economy at some reasonable highway or cruising speed(lets ignore driving at 35 mph for now). All factors considered this is generally 55-to 65 mph. Drive faster and fuel economy starts to suffer (again this speed varies due to all the above factors plus others including wind resistance). So, if one cruises at 80 mph...generally speaking..one will get LESS fuel mileage than the same car at 65 mph. If you concede there is a sweet spot is it 65 mph where you may get 31 mpg or 80 mph where you may get 25 mpg?? This is pretty simple..fuel economy peaks at some point. This is the point at which you can drive safely (fast enough) still get optimum economy.If you start to go faster fuel economy takes a dump=sweet spot, not too fast and not too slow...get it??
I am with you 100%. Honda is guilty of false advertisement. I only get 26 mpg combo city/hway. The big reason I bought the civic was because of the mileage ratings.
The reason the mileage changes so drastic is because that tinny 1.8 engine in city driving is constantly shifting. If you go up any hill the engine revs up to 3K or above. On the highway the rpms are pretty constant and below 3K with speeds up to 70 mph. If Honda put a bigger engine "like a 2.2 or 2.4 liter" it would have more torque and more power and would rev lower = about the same mpg with increase power. The current civic is geared to rev so high just to help that tinny 1.8 work. I can use my civics engine in my RC car. :surprise:
Wasn't it you that said ..."There ain't no "sweet spot" re automobiles. They are machines! ?"...:) A lot of these folks talk in terms as my mileage SUX, it is all Honda's and the EPA's fault, yada yada... and now you want to tell em it is a single overhead cam (sohc) type 4 cylinder in line piece of machinery??? And you really think they care that it takes very low hp cruising at 68 mph and not much more at higher speeds?
For those that missed my earliest posts: I have raised hell at the dealership and I have been told that there is absolutley nothing wrong with my Civic (16 m.p.g. around town). Which means that I am stuck with an underpowered, tiny automobile getting the m.p.g. of my Ford 150! As for those that repeatedly post the message that Honda doesn't set the m.p.g. averages "it's the E.P.A.; for non-car buffs like me and my wife, we did rely on the honesty of the Honda salesman (now I am blushing) when we were told that yep the reason we should buy the Civic was because it beats the Toyota in m.p.g. AND yes we were told, 32 m.p.g. is what you will get around town because the the blah blah blah type engine, and blah blah blah torque ratios. If I had known what I know now I would have bought a bigger, more powerful automobile that gets the same mileage as my Civic. Lets face it if someone really is an automobile afficionado they wouldn't really by a Honda Civic (would they?) I really respect those that do understand engineering but certain advertising laws were written to protect those like me that don't. A class action will happen. KennethR
..."Lets face it if someone really is an automobile afficionado they wouldn't really by a Honda Civic (would they?)"...
Well the Civic for years served as the basis for the so called "tuner" set. Quite literally a whole industry grew up around the CIVIC. (others also, but this is a Civic thread)
If possible keep us up on the suit. Realistically, I was quite underwhelmed by the remedies of one recently announced Honda Civic settlement. It basically extended the warranty (5%?) on a 3 year OR/36,000 mile warranty. It meant utterly NADA for me, as I got the news at 42,000 miles! On a practical basis, they in effect reimbursed you for a very short list of repairs between the mileage of 36,000 miles to 37,800 miles (1,800 miles, out of warranty) WOP DEE DO! Now if I got 5% of the cost of fuel for 36,000 miles(est 140-200 dollars) .....OR...
if they gave me real cash for faster wearing alignment (100), tires (300), brakes pads (150) and rotors (200) which Honda has been noted for; count me among the mildly underwhelmed!
I just don't like the inexactness of the term "sweet spot" we are not talking about baseball here. You.... may have a sweet spot,for whatever speed, but the car does not. The best mileage is obtained at it's lowest speed in top gear.
Have you gotten other opinions at other dealerships and/or independent mechanics? Have you had anyone try to help you analyze your driving style? Sorry if you've already posted these details, but I was just wondering.
It makes no sense that there is nothing that can be done to help you improve the mileage you are getting when most others do much better in what is supposed to be the same car.
You really are not going to get anywhere in a class action suit against Honda when they are not responsible for the EPA's numbers, nor are they responsible for what some salesperson told you. You'd be way better off to concentrate your energy on solving the problem instead of trying to cast blame where it isn't going to do you any good. Just a suggestion.
No problem with that whatsoever, just turn it into the lanuage you need for it to work for you. I can be very technical but 99.999% of the folks will nod off.
Hi ruking1, what on earth does "Glad you took on the role of the tallest midget" mean? As for anyalising my vehicle- I took my car in three times because I couldn't accept the low mileage I am getting, and each time the dealership told me that there is nothing wrong. The first time the service rep asked "Are you using your heater when you first get in?" Then it was the gas I was using! Then it was my wheel alignment (after 2000 miles) was out a fraction and then it was the tire pressure that was a pound low! When I got a call from Honda California I was told that it was my problem to identify the problem! I then called the service manager at another Honda dealership and on telling him my problem he told me "It's probably the gas you are using?" Okay I give up. KennethR
I think I have probably addressed (generically) most of your concerns issues in prior posts. It would seem by your latest post you are going through a (frustrating) fault elimination process. After consideration of points on this thread you might want to ask Honda for a case number. (formal complaint)
Then you need to start going up the Honda chain of command for customer complaints. I'm sure they want to help you. It's their job to make unhappy customers happy. Don't call any more dealers and tell them about it. Drive in and explain it and give them the car to check out. Hope this helps.
Yeah the best mileage IS obtained at the slowest speed possible in the highest gear without lugging the engine which is why I specifically said "lets forget driving at 35 mph for now" in my post. For the sake of this discussion throw out any speed so slow as not to be safe or useable on any interstate or most surface roads so lets forget about "the lowest speed in top gear" stuff shall we?. Why is it some people cannot accept the obvious?? YES the car, any car does have a point at which it will get its best fuel economy at some safe cruising speed. Specific factors conspire to set that point. An aerodynamic vehicle geared very high with a smallish engine will be able to travel at maybe 75 mph before wind resistance starts to overcome a low Cd. At this point fuel economy drops. In contrast a Hummer H-2 may only be able to go 45mph while getting optimum fuel economy (low, but optimum)due to its semi-sized frontal area, final gearing,4WD etc. Geez!! For you let me qualify this further...all vehicles have a point at which wind resistance, mechanical friction, engine speed in RPM verses road speed and various other factors conspire to derail good fuel economy. For a Civic it MAY be 75 mph..drive 85 or 90 in that same Civic and economy WILL fall on its [non-permissible content removed]. THIS is what I call the sweet spot. It is not driver related, the same driver could be driving at either speed. I concede he/she could be listening to baseball though.
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I've been a member since early 2003 and an unregistered lurker for some time before that. Have 41 posts since then. You on the other hand have only been a member for only 7 months and over 500 posts. I apologize for my life outside of Edmunds.
This has been the most active I've been since registering. As I stated many times. The Civic was purchase solely on getting decent gas mileage. I sacrificed utility for mileage and I regret it. No other car I've had caused me to be so active.
This forum is about mpg for the Civic right? Maybe we should have separate forums for users that get really good mileage and the ones that don't feel that the mileage is what they expected. That way the handful of happy 35+ mpg club can hang out and be left alone.
The few that are not complaining, sure do alot of chest pounding of the mileage they get and continue to repeat the same ol' song and dance. But when there is a complaint, this bunch are quick to knock it down. Which is likely why some don't come back or respond. It's useless.
This is the typical interaction:
A new member comes in and states their mileage, states the facts, and opens up to the forum in their frustration.
This bunch will then over analyze it and read too much into it, insulting the members' intelligence.
New member is even more frustrated and tries to clarify the facts.
Happy bunch has no idea why new user is getting the terrible mileage cause Happy bunch member is getting 35+ on his/her Civic.
New member shakes head and leaves forum.
Update: Filled up this past Sunday as normal. 23 mpg, same routine. I guess i should remove the 2 kid car seats from the back to reduce weight.
Since this is 6-7 MPG below my average in my ACCORD with 166 hp, I can't help but wonder what "normal" is. We got 23 MPG in our Odyssey with a mix of highway. That was a 3.5L V6.
Well for sure, you got what I have said almost completely wrong. I have NEVER gotten 45 mpg in the Civic. Do I think 45 mpg is possible??? Yes, but at ridiculously LOW speeds. The 38-42 range is typical in the every day commute. So if you divide 27 miles/40 min to 1.5 hours, that it takes for the commute, I think you can see, we do get into gridlock. So to us not the end, but just another day. On longer trips mid to high 30's is normal with almost no attention to fuel mileage. Evidently most folks on this thread didn't find it humorous when I joked: I also wonder what mpg I would get if I really drove for higher mpg.
I KNOW what I get, am I disappointed NO..why? because I didn't buy the car expecting to get the EPA numbers and most especially not the "city" numbers. Is the middle 30's good? yeah... is 23-25 mpg good at low speed and stop and go? yeah it is for me because I do not expect more and it is damn sure better than the SUV we traded for the Civic. I'm a happy camper.
Yes, and that was for a diesel. Why did I mention diesel? Because in comparison even one of the "economy leaders" pales in comparison to diesel's mpg and as I further go on to say in the post, I agree that Civic can be a gas guzzler!! This of course can be in the eye of the beholder. So 50-38/39=12/11 or 28% better.
really don't intend to fan the flames but my best single tank mileage was 44.7 which was a straight highway trip of ~240 miles with the cruise control @72-75mph.
no, my '06 LX coupe AT is not a hybrid.
So accounting principles indicate that over .5 can get rounded up to the next highest number, ie 44.7 is stated as 45 mpg.
actually, the chest pounding is coming more from people like you. I have not insulted or chest pounded at all.
And you have proven my point. You ARE on of those people who bought the civic just for the milage. Does any other aspect of a vehicle appeal to you before you purchase? And if it was only about mileage, doing your research would have shown you what the possible ranges are.
I've said it 1000 times so here is 1001: if your car stickers for 25 mpg in the city and you get 23...
THAT...IS...WITHIN...THE...EPA'S...ESTIMATES.
I truly do not think the cars will vary all that much. Sure there are statistical anomalies. If we could mitigate the liability concerns, I could switch with almost any of those getting so called poor mileage and do EXACTLY nothing different and get very similar fuel mileage to what I have stated I had been getting in mine: in their cars. Will there be some variation? Absolutely.
yep I'm one of those that bought a Honda Civic thinking that it was an economy car. But I'm not the one that should blush - Honda should. Whatever you say, Honda delights in calling itself a brand that gets such high mileage. The Honda salesman certainly spent a long time explaining to my wife and I how much we would save on gas rather than buying another Toyota Camry.
Now that the warm weather is here I was celebrating getting 20 m.p.g. town driving from my Civic. Then it got even warmer and I used the airconditioning for the first time! And yep I'm back down to 16 m.p.g. You can blow all the Honda smoke you want but I know that my wife's Camry gets 26 -28 m.p.g. around the same town, in the same weather, and with the airconditioner on. I still say Honda is guilty of false advertising and think it's only a matter of time before I get included in a class action law suite over it. KennethR
HUH???!!! Yes, pounding my chest proudly cause I'm stating facts about my mileage. I OWN an 07 Civic. I have no hidden agenda. It is what it is.
And you have proven my point. You ARE on of those people who bought the civic just for the mileage.
Well duh! I've said this many times before. R E A D my previous posts.
Does any other aspect of a vehicle appeal to you before you purchase? And if it was only about mileage, doing your research would have shown you what the possible ranges are.
Again I've been here for over 4 years as a registered user. I DO MY research champ, that is why I am here. I'm not here to play paddy cake. I'm here to get as much information as I can before I make a purchase. Reading reviews and stats alone does not make it the right choice. I used my best judgment based on research here and other media. I test drove and liked what I saw. Again read my posts. I have said many times, overall I like the Civic. As many middle income people do. I made a decision based my priorities. Mileage outweighed the extra utility I wanted.
Again in my prior posts. I have stated my mpg figures on previous cars and compared them to the new EPA figures. I based what I thought I'd get in the Civic based on the little numbers the manufacturers list on the sticker. Now that said. The mileage I got from my previous cars were very close to what the actual sticker listed. So my beef with the Civic is very valid. I'm not getting what I thought I should be getting based on prior experiences with the EPA numbers and my actual mileage.
I've said it 1000 times so here is 1001: if your car stickers for 25 mpg in the city and you get 23...
THAT...IS...WITHIN...THE...EPA'S...ESTIMATES.
Broken record, read my previous postings.
I've even manually typed word for word all the EPA figures right off my sticker somewhere here including the range in tiny font from the sticker. I know the range. See above as to why I based my expected mileage.
Note, it's the weekend now. I'll be gone for a bit. Please don't think I'm off and hiding if I don't get back with a response if you'd like to continue our conversation. I'll be back with my ritual like Sunday fill ups of the Civic and minivan and post the figures as this forum is intended for. Have a safe and fun weekend.
Since you do not state the mileage you thought, indeed it might be trumped by the new epa figures. But indeed the advice is the same as to Kennethr, in msg #632.
I know you mean well...OK, 27 mpg. Will that work. (shaking head in disbelief as I prepare to shut 'er down for the night.)
Evidently you chose not to integrate the information given to you based upon your information. Again that is fine. Based upon your information, your mileage will most likely not improve for the majority of your stated situations. If situations do change, perhaps. So really if you are that dissatisfied, move on, seek remedy under the lemon law, a individual lawsuit or class action might be the next step. Let us know how it turns out. It will be interesting to hear from a lawyer if he could successfully win that case.
Your beef, whether you know it or not, is with the EPA, which has recently updated its numbers.
To the owner getting 16 MPG... why aren't you screaming at the dealer, or at a lawyer? Especially if the same driver, in the same conditions, is getting 12 MPG higher in a Camry... invoke the lemon law, and don't waste time doing so.
Of course, there are those following this thread who would think you another non-credible "SHRILL" for Honda, passing hot air, or some other waste byproduct
Harv
Had my wife, 2 kids and my sister; trunk was fairly packed. Tires are at the reccomended settings. Cruised at 70 on the highway; stuck in traffic for about 30 minutes going home.
Beats the mazda5 i used to own that I had to step lightly on just to get 26-27mpg.
I am with you 100%. Honda is guilty of false advertisement.
I only get 26 mpg combo city/hway. The big reason I bought the civic was because of the mileage ratings.
Class action law suite, let's do it. :mad:
?"...:) A lot of these folks talk in terms as my mileage SUX, it is all Honda's and the EPA's fault, yada yada... and now you want to tell em it is a single overhead cam (sohc) type 4 cylinder in line piece of machinery???
I have raised hell at the dealership and I have been told that there is absolutley nothing wrong with my Civic (16 m.p.g. around town). Which means that I am stuck with an underpowered, tiny automobile getting the m.p.g. of my Ford 150!
As for those that repeatedly post the message that Honda doesn't set the m.p.g. averages "it's the E.P.A.; for non-car buffs like me and my wife, we did rely on the honesty of the Honda salesman (now I am blushing) when we were told that yep the reason we should buy the Civic was because it beats the Toyota in m.p.g. AND yes we were told, 32 m.p.g. is what you will get around town because the the blah blah blah type engine, and blah blah blah torque ratios. If I had known what I know now I would have bought a bigger, more powerful automobile that gets the same mileage as my Civic. Lets face it if someone really is an automobile afficionado they wouldn't really by a Honda Civic (would they?)
I really respect those that do understand engineering but certain advertising laws were written to protect those like me that don't. A class action will happen. KennethR
Well the Civic for years served as the basis for the so called "tuner" set. Quite literally a whole industry grew up around the CIVIC. (others also, but this is a Civic thread)
If possible keep us up on the suit. Realistically, I was quite underwhelmed by the remedies of one recently announced Honda Civic settlement. It basically extended the warranty (5%?) on a 3 year OR/36,000 mile warranty. It meant utterly NADA for me, as I got the news at 42,000 miles! On a practical basis, they in effect reimbursed you for a very short list of repairs between the mileage of 36,000 miles to 37,800 miles (1,800 miles, out of warranty) WOP DEE DO! Now if I got 5% of the cost of fuel for 36,000 miles(est 140-200 dollars) .....OR...
if they gave me real cash for faster wearing alignment (100), tires (300), brakes pads (150) and rotors (200) which Honda has been noted for; count me among the mildly underwhelmed!
It makes no sense that there is nothing that can be done to help you improve the mileage you are getting when most others do much better in what is supposed to be the same car.
You really are not going to get anywhere in a class action suit against Honda when they are not responsible for the EPA's numbers, nor are they responsible for what some salesperson told you. You'd be way better off to concentrate your energy on solving the problem instead of trying to cast blame where it isn't going to do you any good. Just a suggestion.
what on earth does "Glad you took on the role of the tallest midget" mean?
As for anyalising my vehicle- I took my car in three times because I couldn't accept the low mileage I am getting, and each time the dealership told me that there is nothing wrong. The first time the service rep asked "Are you using your heater when you first get in?" Then it was the gas I was using! Then it was my wheel alignment (after 2000 miles) was out a fraction and then it was the tire pressure that was a pound low!
When I got a call from Honda California I was told that it was my problem to identify the problem!
I then called the service manager at another Honda dealership and on telling him my problem he told me "It's probably the gas you are using?"
Okay I give up. KennethR