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Maybe... There usually isn't too much moving on M cars. You are right that the current E46 M3 is going out of production, but the '07 model won't be produced for at least another year.
Everyone thought BMW would present the new M3 at the Frankfurt Auto Show in September, but they didn't. There are still questions up in the air about whether they'll make a soft or hard top convertible.... It's just way too far off for dealers to be concerned about '06 overstock.
I'd just like to know how much they'll be adding ontop of the invoice prices that are listed on the internet.
Purchase price - $34,130 (325xi w/sports pkg)
36 pmts
15k miles
61% residual
Up front cost - $748.91
PMT - $597/mo
I can't swing it at this monthly PMT. I need to be at/below $500/mo. Let me know your thoughts.
Thanks
I have a question about a 2006 325i lease. I have been working with my dealer for a couple of months now. Here is the bottom line offer from them:
2006 325i
Black/Black
Manual
Heated front seats
24 month/20,000 miles
$2300.00 total out of pocket (includes 1st month, taxes, title, ect)
$399.00 per month (including tax)
Is this a good deal or can I do better?
Thanks for any input.
Mike
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went to dealer that have a current lease due in april
330xi
auto, prem. pkg, heated seats, blk/blk
msrp--43,170 sell--41,170
3 yr/30k lease
rate--.00225
residual .64
$2,500 initial pmt (what should be the breakdown for these
payment)
$544 per month
residual value $27,628
do you think it's a good deal or can get something better for a return customer. also acq fee is $825, is that right ? are the numbers right?
thanks,
jjota
2006 325i
white
beige leatherette
sat prep
$34900
plus $595????
12k/36mth
he said about $420-480
is this right?
All I really want is
nonmetallic
leatherette
bluetooth
maybe heated seats.....
I drive less than 10k
really just want to get in a BMW for the first time...
How do they go about financing, are the tough on the credit?
Thanks!!!!!!!!!
I am coming to the end of my current lease shortly and
would like to request the following vehicle.
Monaco Blue or Black paint
Black or Grey Leather or Leatherette Interior
Sport & Automatic only.
This car should invoice somewhere around $38,500
I would like to pay $39,250 for that setup.
I currently have a 2003 330i, Blk on Blk, Sport,
Premium, Auto, Xenon, Harmon Karden, Chrome "M" racing
wheels and 29,800 miles on the odometer.
My payoff on this vehicle is $25,393.
Private party pricing for "good" (My car is in
excellent condition) is approx $28,500+, this creates
a delta of just over $3,000.
I will put down $1,000 cash if the dealership will
purchase my car and give $1,750 towards the new lease
for it. My vehicle retails for $31k+, so this should
not be too much of a stretch.
This is the deal that I have calculated and what I'm
willing to pay for a lease if it's possible.
MSRP: $42,095
Base Cap Cost: $39,250
Trade: -$1,750
Cash Down: -$1,000
DMV Fees, etc.: $1,000
Adjusted Cap Cost: $37,500
Residual: 64% ($26,941)
Money Factor: 0.00195 (4.69%)
Term: 36 Months
Sales Tax: 7.775
Monthly Payment: $451.54
My credit score is just over 700 as of 2.24.06
So.....Do I have a snowball's chance in hell?
Are you also including the security deposit? Or did you bump the money factor to waive it?
I wouldn't expect to get private party price for a trade-in.... Not to mention that KBB prices for BMWs tend to be higher than auction prices to begin with.....
You are hoping for $27,100 on trade... but, realistically, wholesale is probably nearer to $23K on that car.... It is well-equipped.. maybe if it looks like new, you could get a dealer to come close to your payoff, but I don't think there is any way you are going to see positive equity, without selling it yourself.. (chrome wheels?).
$750 over invoice, with the base rates? That could happen, if all the stars align... Your numbers look solid there, if you can get a dealer to go for it...
You still have plenty of warranty left... I would drive your current car until the four years is up.. Any particular reason you want to get rid of it?
regards,
kyfdx
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Add 2% to Residual Value for 12k mi/yr and 3% for 10k mi/yr on all terms
2006 MODELS
325i Sedan / Compare Instant Lease Quotes
24 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 71% of MSRP – .00275 Base Money Factor Rate
36 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 62% of MSRP – .00250 Base Money Factor Rate
48 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 45% of MSRP – .00300 Base Money Factor Rate
60 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 36% of MSRP – .00300 Base Money Factor Rate
325xi Sedan / Compare Instant Lease Quotes
24 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 71% of MSRP – .00275 Base Money Factor Rate
36 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 61% of MSRP – .00250 Base Money Factor Rate
48 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 45% of MSRP – .00300 Base Money Factor Rate
60 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 36% of MSRP – .00300 Base Money Factor Rate
325xiT Wagon / Compare Instant Lease Quotes
24 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 69% of MSRP – .00200 Base Money Factor Rate
36 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 59% of MSRP – .00200 Base Money Factor Rate
48 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 43% of MSRP – .00300 Base Money Factor Rate
60 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 35% of MSRP – .00300 Base Money Factor Rate
325Ci Coupe / Compare Instant Lease Quotes
24 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 67% of MSRP – .00150 Base Money Factor Rate
36 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 57% of MSRP – .00150 Base Money Factor Rate
48 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 43% of MSRP – .00300 Base Money Factor Rate
60 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 34% of MSRP – .00300 Base Money Factor Rate
325Cic Conv / Compare Instant Lease Quotes
24 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 71% of MSRP – .00260 Base Money Factor Rate
36 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 58% of MSRP – .00260 Base Money Factor Rate
48 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 45% of MSRP – .00300 Base Money Factor Rate
60 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 37% of MSRP – .00300 Base Money Factor Rate
330i Sedan / Compare Instant Lease Quotes
24 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 71% of MSRP – .00220 Base Money Factor Rate
36 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 62% of MSRP – .00195 Base Money Factor Rate
48 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 45% of MSRP – .00300 Base Money Factor Rate
60 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 37% of MSRP – .00300 Base Money Factor Rate
330xi Sedan / Compare Instant Lease Quotes
24 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 71% of MSRP – .00250 Base Money Factor Rate
36 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 61% of MSRP – .00225 Base Money Factor Rate
48 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 46% of MSRP – .00300 Base Money Factor Rate
60 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 37% of MSRP – .00300 Base Money Factor Rate
330Ci Coupe / Compare Instant Lease Quotes
24 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 67% of MSRP – .00150 Base Money Factor Rate
36 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 57% of MSRP – .00150 Base Money Factor Rate
48 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 41% of MSRP – .00300 Base Money Factor Rate
60 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 33% of MSRP – .00300 Base Money Factor Rate
M3 Coupe / Compare Instant Lease Quotes
24 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 68% of MSRP – .00300 Base Money Factor Rate
36 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 58% of MSRP – .00300 Base Money Factor Rate
48 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 48% of MSRP – .00300 Base Money Factor Rate
60 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 40% of MSRP – .00300 Base Money Factor Rate
330Cic Convertible / Compare Instant Lease Quotes
24 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 71% of MSRP – .00260 Base Money Factor Rate
36 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 58% of MSRP – .00260 Base Money Factor Rate
48 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 45% of MSRP – .00300 Base Money Factor Rate
60 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 37% of MSRP – .00300 Base Money Factor Rate
M3 Convertible / Compare Instant Lease Quotes
24 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 65% of MSRP – .00300 Base Money Factor Rate
36 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 57% of MSRP – .00300 Base Money Factor Rate
48 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 46% of MSRP – .00300 Base Money Factor Rate
60 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 38% of MSRP – .00300 Base Money Factor Rate
525i Sedan / Compare Instant Lease Quotes
24 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 71% of MSRP – .00195 Base Money Factor Rate
36 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 60% of MSRP – .00160 Base Money Factor Rate
48 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 40% of MSRP – .00300 Base Money Factor Rate
60 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 32% of MSRP – .00300 Base Money Factor Rate
525xi Sedan / Compare Instant Lease Quotes
24 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 71% of MSRP – .00195 Base Money Factor Rate
36 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 60% of MSRP – .00160 Base Money Factor Rate
48 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 40% of MSRP – .00300 Base Money Factor Rate
60 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 31% of MSRP – .00300 Base Money Factor Rate
530i Sedan / Compare Instant Lease Quotes
24 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 71% of MSRP – .00175 Base Money Factor Rate
36 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 59% of MSRP – .00140 Base Money Factor Rate
48 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 38% of MSRP – .00300 Base Money Factor Rate
60 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 30% of MSRP – .00300 Base Money Factor Rate
530xi Sedan / Compare Instant Lease Quotes
24 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 71% of MSRP – .00175 Base Money Factor Rate
36 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 59% of MSRP – .00140 Base Money Factor Rate
48 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 39% of MSRP – .00300 Base Money Factor Rate
60 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 31% of MSRP – .00300 Base Money Factor Rate
550i Sedan / Compare Instant Lease Quotes
24 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 70% of MSRP – .00200 Base Money Factor Rate
36 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 60% of MSRP – .00200 Base Money Factor Rate
48 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 38% of MSRP – .00300 Base Money Factor Rate
60 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 30% of MSRP – .00300 Base Money Factor Rate
M5 Sedan / Compare Instant Lease Quotes
24 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 70% of MSRP – .00300 Base Money Factor Rate
36 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 57% of MSRP – .00300 Base Money Factor Rate
48 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 44% of MSRP – .00300 Base Money Factor Rate
60 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 35% of MSRP – .00300 Base Money Factor Rate
530xiT Wagon / Compare Instant Lease Quotes
24 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 71% of MSRP – .00135 Base Money Factor Rate
36 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 60% of MSRP – .00100 Base Money Factor Rate
48 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 37% of MSRP – .00300 Base Money Factor Rate
60 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 29% of MSRP – .00300 Base Money Factor Rate
650Ci Coupe / Compare Instant Lease Quotes
24 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 65% of MSRP – .00300 Base Money Factor Rate
36 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 54% of MSRP – .00300 Base Money Factor Rate
48 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 43% of MSRP – .00300 Base Money Factor Rate
60 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 35% of MSRP – .00300 Base Money Factor Rate
650Cic Convertible / Compare Instant Lease Quotes
24 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 67% of MSRP – .00300 Base Money Factor Rate
36 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 57% of MSRP – .00300 Base Money Factor Rate
48 mo/15k mi – Residual Value 47% of MSRP – .00300 Base Money Factor Rate
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At lease signing, BMW FS requires lessees to pay their vehicle's first month's payment, a security deposit that is equivalent to that payment rounded up to the nearest $25 increment, its $625 acquisition fee, any down payment that they want to make (ideally this should be zero), and any required state taxes or fees.
I just used the prices that you mentioned in your post to estimate what this car's lease payment should be right now and according to my calculations, its 36 month, 10,000 mile per year, zero down, pre-tax monthly payment should be around $531 assuming that you are paying a security deposit.
For additional feedback on tthis car's selling price, make sure to stop by the following discussion: "BMW 3-Series: Prices Paid & Buying Experience".
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You never mentioned the selling price of the car that you are interested in leasing. This is an important number for you as a consumer to know for two reasons. First, the selling prices of leased vehicles can be negotiated, just as if you were paying cash for them. Without knowing the price of the car that you want to lease you don't know how good a price you are getting it for. The second reason is that one needs the selling price of a vehicle that they want to lease is that it is necessary to calculate its lease payment. I would be more than happy to give you my opinion on this lease if you let me know what this car's selling price is.
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thanks for the info. and providing us with valuable information in dealing with complicating process.
thanks again.
jjota
I have a 2004 330ci loaded (Sport, Cold weather, and Premium package). The car has 15,000 miles and is an excellent condition. I want to get out of the lease early. I put a good deal of money down when I first got the car to keep my payment low $400 a month.
Could I sell the car and recoup some of the intial downpayment? or am I nuts.
Suggestions?
Thanks in advance.
P.S. I want to get the new 06 Porsche CaymanS
Your help is greatly appreciated. Thanks
After reading some of the posts here, I think I may have over paid.
I'm paying $575.00 for a 2005 3 series lease. 36moths/12k
It's got the sport package.
Can someone confirm this for me?
Thank you
Regardless, we'd need a lot more details to know whether it was a good deal or not.... MSRP, selling price, trade-in (equity/negative equity), money down, miles per year, etc...
Thanks for your help
You should consider posting your car on Swapalease.com. Great way to unload your current lease. My wife and I rolled out of our lease 18 months early using Swapalease. In fact, I'm actively looking for a 16-24 month lease on a 3 series BMW on swapalease now and I'm patiently waiting for the right car to come along.
Anyway I'm looking at 325xi lease for wife. Base car with Prestige and auto. 38,720 MSRP- 36 mos. 10,000 miles. Residual is 64%. I was quoted .0029 MF instead of ,0025 posted earlier which also bothers me.
Also for a twist dealer will use his tax credits to cover my sales tax IL (2500 savings for me)which I have done before and is a very good deal-however he thinks that this puts him in the drivers seat and doesn't want to negotiate hard on the price as a result. Any thoughts on this and to reiterate what I am seeing on the forums with $1000-1500 over cost as going sale price.
AND I just noticed for the first time on Edmunds an incentive lease for the 325XI 429 with money down- any info on this please. (No details are listed on the site, I will check the BMW site)
Sorry for the long post- good information will be truly appreciated.
THANKS
Also does BMW use an automotive fico or beacon (credit score based on former auto loans and leases)?
What credit report does BMW pull- Equifax, Transunion or Experian?
Do they pull all three or just one? Do they pull a random one?
What is the minimal beacon score BMW Financial requires to lease a 330i? I am in the mid 600s on Equifax and Transunion. The dealer says I should have no problem at all in getting approved- not sure I believe him.
Has anyone out there been approved with a beacon score in the mid 600s?
I feel I have better chances of getting approved on a lease with Lexus Financial. The Lexus IS 350 is my second choice of car.
I know BMW uses a pass / fail system- BUT what beacon is the cutoff for leases? What's the minimal beacon they want to get approved on a lease?
The dealership is telling me that I can get into a lease with a 650 beacon score- is that true?
Any info would really be appreciated!
J
There are many more factors for an approval than just a credit score..... To name a few: income, price of car, time at current address, time at current job, "car credit" (how well you have paid specifically car loans), money down, trade-in, etc.
There's no way to know for sure unless you pick a car, negotiate a price, factor in any money down and/or trade-in, do a credit app, and submit it all to BMWFS. One simple number isn't the only important component.
2006 BMW 325i (Titanium Silver)
Automatic
Leather (Grey)
Sport Package
Premium Package
Heated Seats
Navigation
Satellite Radio Prep
The Terms I need are 3 years and 20K a year miles.
MSRP: $40,345
Invoice: $37,005
What can I expect for a monthly payment? I have access to $3-4K to put down. I live in California and the sales tax is 7.75%. The car will be leased by my company so the money is not out of my pocket. I have good contacts with the owner of the dealer so I am hoping I can get a purchase price somewhere between $500-$1000 over invoice.
Thank you in advance for any help.
Do you know what credit report BMW Financial uses?
I'm at a 670 Equifax score and I'm kinda nervous about them pulling up my credit and me not getting approved. I know Lexus would approve me since they are on a tier method and 670 is good enough for them- but BMW is very secretive about the beacons. I make $85,000 and have 100k in law school loans on deferment status. I also just paid all of my credit cards and I have not one late payment on my current car. I pay $450 a month religiously. I would like to know what kind of a chance I have to get into a BMW lease. Can you give me advice? Do you think I can get approved?
Of course, one big variable that you haven't mentioned is what car and at what price you are looking to get. Since you have cross-posted your msg in all sorts of forums, it's hard to get an idea of what kind of car you're looking at.....
Thanks for replying so quick! I am planning on getting either a 325 with a sport package and premium package or a plane jane 330.
Do any of these make a difference?
Does BMW have a preference on leasing one over the other?
Is there anything I can do to get approved easier?
More downpayment maybe?
I really want the beemer!
J
J
Income: 85,000
Price of car: 38,000
Time at current address: 5 Years
Time at current Job: 3 Years
No late payments on current car loan for 1.5 years. I pay 450.00 a month.
No credit card balances.
High credit card limit = 3000.
High credit limit = 20,000 on Jeep Wrangler
2 collection accounts paid in full in 2004
Current beacon 670 on Equifax. 650 Transunion.
Downpayment $3000.
What do you think?
Do you think I can get approved?
Any knowledge of anyone approved with something close to this?
What is the difference between base MF and the MF the dealer may give you? For example, base MF for 330i is .00195, should't the dealer give this? Also, can one lower the MF below base MF by giving multiple Security deposits? How is MF coverted to % as in a conventional loan?
Hope this helps...
J
Car: BMW 325 or 330 (Will BMW prefer to approve me on one over the other?)
Income: 85,000
Price of car: 38,000
Time at current address: 5 Years
Time at current Job: 3 Years
No late payments on current car loan for 1.5 years. I pay 450.00 a month.
No credit card balances.
High credit card limit = 3000.
High credit limit = 20,000 on Jeep Wrangler
2 collection accounts paid in full in 2004
Current beacon 670 on Equifax. 650 Transunion.
Downpayment $3000.
What do you think?
Do you think I can get approved?
Any knowledge of anyone approved with something close to this?
J
In using various lease calculators, I'm coming up with around $550 per month with total of $2000 out of pocket (first month payment, taxes, etc.) I assumend a discount of $2k off sticker. Am I in the ballpark? Are they dealing much on these considering the body style is going away? I don't have a trade.
Thanks
Please help?
AlexF.
Worst case? You are out maybe $2000-$3000 more over the life of the lease, than if you knew what you were doing, and negotiated a good deal..
Really... all water over the dam (or under the bridge?). There is nothing you can do to make up for it now.. I'm sure every one in the forums has made a bad car deal (or two) before they learned what they were doing.. I know for sure that I have..
At least you picked a really great car.. Concentrate on that part of it.. Next time, do your research here.. get someone experienced to go with you.. and you'll get a killer deal... By the time you are my age, you'll have made up for that bad deal a dozen times!!
regards,
kyfdx
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You should be fine....
did you get those terms from a dealer, or simply online up to this point?
How prepared do I need to be before talking with a dealer?
agb
Is residual value calculated on MSRP or what I ultimately negotiate as cap cost with dealer?
Also, what lease factors are negotiable? MF, miles, end of lease buyout price?
Thanks!