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  • Hi ed108. Honda Finance's current buy rate lease money factor for the 2007 Accord is .00227 for leases up to 36 months with the payment of a security deposit equivalent to your car's monthly payment rounded up to the nearest $25 increment at lease signing.

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  • Hi willough. Here's the latest lease program for the car that you are interested in. Honda Finance's current buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a lease of a 2007 Accord EX V6 Sedan with 12,000 miles per year are .00227 and 60%, respectively. When negotiating your lease on this car, make sure to take the $500 dealer cash that Honda is currently providing on it into account. It should help you to negotiate an attractive capitalized cost.

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  • I would be happy to give you my opinion on this deal, nupltwannab. It would be a big help though if you would provide me with this car's full MSRP and selling price first. These are very important numbers for you as a consumer to know anyhow. The selling prices of leased vehicles are negotiable, just as if you were paying cash for or financing them. Post these numbers for me and I'll give you a detailed analysis of this deal.

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  • Closed-end lease for 2007 Accord Sedan Special Edition 6-cylinder Automatic Transmission (Model CM6647EW) for $249.00 per month for 36 months with a $1,055.00 capitalized cost reduction, available to customers who qualify for the AHFC Super Preferred credit tier. Other rates/tiers are available under this offer. $1,899.00 total due at lease signing (includes first month's payment, AHFC upfront acquisition fee and capitalized cost reduction. Security deposit waived in featured lease example. Total net capitalized cost and base monthly payment does not include tax, license, title, registration, documentation fees, options, insurance and the like). Not all buyers may qualify.

    Subject to limited availability. Through October 31, 2006, to approved lessees by American Honda Finance Corp. Closed end lease for 2007 Accord Sedan models (Model # CM6647EW), for well qualified lessees. Not all lessees will qualify. Higher lease rates apply for lessees with lower credit ratings. MSRP $24,845.00 (includes destination) less the suggested dealer contribution resulting in actual net capitalized cost is $20,941.34. Dealer contribution may vary and could affect actual lease payment. Taxes, license, title fees, options and insurance extra. Total monthly payments $8,964.00. Option to purchase at lease end $14,907.00. Lessee responsible for maintenance, excessive wear/tear and 15/mi. over 12,000 miles/year for vehicles with MSRP less than $30,000, but for vehicles with MSRP of $30,000 or more, mileage cost is 20/mi. over 12,000 miles/year.
  • I contacted a dealer today via email to inquire about the lease special for the 2007 Accord Coupe EXL V6 Auto. The special shows total due at signing of 1699. The dealer told me that the total with tax, tags, and fees is 2795. This seems like a lot of fees to me. I'm new to leasing, but I have read a good bit about it. Anyone know if this 2795 is way to high or about right?
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 26,421
    I'm not sure which deal you are referring to. The only V6 deal I see on the Honda website is for a sedan and the money down on that deal is $1899, not $1699.

    Anyway, all of the advertised deals don't include, "tax, license, title, registration, documentation fees, options, insurance and the like."

    Depending on where you live, tax may be built into the payment (you pay tax on the payment amount itself). If that's the case where you live, then that takes care of that. "Options" only applies if you are adding any dealer-installed stuff to the car. And "insurance" is if you wanted to buy extra insurance like a warranty. So all you should have to deal with are license, title, registration, and doc fees. All of those should be set by your DMV except for the doc fees. So I would get a specific breakdown of the fees item by item, then check with your DMV as to their costs.

    '10 Equinox LS; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '14 Town&Country Limited; '18 BMW X2. 49-car history and counting!

  • Can you do better than the advertised specials or are those the best that I should expect?
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 26,421
    You can definitely do better.

    Manufacturers don't want to step on any toes, so they build dealer profit into their advertised deals. Sometimes quite a bit of profit. Most times, a dealer will be willing to take much less profit than the advertised deal allows.

    '10 Equinox LS; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '14 Town&Country Limited; '18 BMW X2. 49-car history and counting!

  • Well I just finished a trade and completed all but the final paperwork.

    It was complicated, at least for me:

    I turned in an 04 Civic Lx with $9670.00 left to pay. In exchange I signed for an 07 Accord Se - 5sp manual at $250 for 36 months (15,000 miles a year) with $1000 down Instead of the $2690 advertised as the lease special price.

    Does that sound right??? The original offer was $1000 down and $269 a month (12,000 miles a year).

    I don't know the residual and I am a little concerned about that. What should it be? The Car's MSRP is $20,825. Is that what they base it on?

    Thank you.
  • forgot to mention that the 1000 down included the first month and the purchase is in ohio. 7% tax.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 26,421
    tough to judge with so much information missing.

    first of all, yes, the residual is based on the MSRP and it is set by Honda, so you shouldn't worry about it.

    The biggest variable I see in your deal is the trade in. If you really want to know if you did OK (although since you already did the deal, i'm not sure why), you'll need to know what they gave you for your Civic and how that compares to its real-world trade-in value and the actual price agreed to on the new car.

    '10 Equinox LS; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '14 Town&Country Limited; '18 BMW X2. 49-car history and counting!

  • Using the basic lease calculator to determine what the lease cost should be given the determinants I came out with a figure of $291.13.

    It would have been lower if I'd received the trade-in value suggested by Edmunds. However, as I was ready to sell the vehicle for $1100 over the residual price and the dealer gave me $1400 towards the downpayment, Overall I think I made out alright. My monthly is $250, so $40 less per month than the calculator figured with a money rate of .0027 and a residual value of 13,000.

    With the trade it certainly gets more complex and the downpayment is a big bite, especially considering that it's money lost if the car is totalled or stolen.

    In the future, I'll pull teeth to avoid the downpayment and try to get all charges included in the monthly. My sense from a few postings is that its a better deal that way.
    :)
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 26,421
    i wouldn't sweat it. I believe a small amount down is perfectly acceptable. For some reason, people pull out the "what if its totalled" card when it comes to leases, yet say you should put down as much possible when financing (you'd lose down payment money if a finance is totalled, too!). So, in my opinion, $2k or less down on a lease is acceptable.

    '10 Equinox LS; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '14 Town&Country Limited; '18 BMW X2. 49-car history and counting!

  • Hi Board,

    Just a note to let everyone know that I just received a quote of an OTD price of 24,000 (including destination) for an 2006 Accord EX V6. I am thinking about taking this deal because my lease expries in January, but I am so over the mileage that it may be better to do now. I am having trouble calculating payments though. I can purchase the car, and am also open to leasing (if the terms are right). I know that I will owe about 1800 on mileage, and 1200 in payments for the next four months. Does this still seem like a good deal, or should I wait until the end of the year? If I wait until the end of the year, do you think a similar deal would be available?

    I am also open to a V6 Coupe, because of the 1250 rebate, but I have a feeling that the price would be the same (24,000).

    Any advice?

    Car man, can you give me some lease advice for Tier 1 and Tier 2 with whatever residuals Honda has for now?

    Thanks
  • I was just given a lease rate for a '07 Accord EX Automatic for $299/month with $500 down, figuring in 12,000/year for three years.

    This is supposed to be Internet Pricing, including destination and handling charges, through the dealer's Internet Department.

    Does it seem like I can get a better rate than this?
  • hi-- can anyone tell me why the 24 month lease would cost me less that the 36 month lease--- here is what I have been quoted--- monthly payments are the same but down is much higher on the shorter lease.
    The Accord SE sedan
    24/12 $1775 down $200 a month, 36/12 $2797 down $200 a month

    The Accord EX sedan
    24/12 $2526 down $200 a month, 36/12 $3476 down $200 a month
  • tex18tex18 Posts: 82
    I need to know what is the money factor for the present Accord SE special. The Special Preffered tier 1 factor, I am negotiating with a dealer who states its .00227, I thought it was .0021.
  • dwynnedwynne Posts: 4,018
    I4 or V6? Last month it was 0.00210 but I have not seen the October numbers - but the "special lease deals" on both SE models is the same now as it was then - right? Then one would assume the MF would be the same.

    Also in the lease example they are showing waived security deposit in the deal. IIRC that boosts the MF by 0.0001 on a AHFC lease that would get you from 0.00210 to 0.00220 right there.

    You can also work on the lease deal backwards using a lease calculator and solve for the MF. I don't have time to look at today, but maybe later this week.

    Dennis
  • tex18tex18 Posts: 82
    Got my car..........lease factor .00210 Super Preferred. Thanks for all the help Dennis.
  • Hi marosen. This is the lease that Honda was advertising on the 2007 Accord last month. Most manufacturers' advertised lease payments leave a little meat on the bone so to speak. If you are in an area that has a decent level of competition, you shouldn't have much trouble beating any of Honda's advertised leases by at least a little.

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  • Hi roachbugg. While it is difficult to predict what manufacturers' future incentives programs will be like, I suspect that Honda's January lease program for the 2007 Accord will be at least as attractive as the one that is available right now. The problem is that you want a 2006 model. Honda has already stopped providing lease money factor support on '06 models. The longer you wait to lease an '06 Accord, the lower its residual values will be and the higher its lease payment will be. Honda Finance's current buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 36 month lease of a 2006 Accord Sedan EX V6 with 15,000 miles per year are .00280 and 52%, respectively. The numbers for an otherwise identical lease of a 2006 Accord Coupe EX V6 would be .00280 and 50%. The aforementioned money factors are for consumers who qualify for Honda Finance's "Super Preferred" credit tier and pay a security deposit at lease signing.

    The selling price that you were quoted for this car looks very good to me, but you may want to stop by the following discussion to see how much other community members have paid for similar cars lately: "Honda Accord: Prices Paid & Buying Experience".

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  • Greetings glauser2. You never mentioned the selling price or MSRP of the car that you are interested in leasing. These are important numbers for you as a consumer to know for two reasons. First, the selling prices of leased vehicles can be negotiated, just as if you were paying cash for them. Without knowing this car's selling price in relation to its MSRP you don't know how much of a discount you are getting on it. The second reason is that one needs the selling price and MSRP, including the destination charge, of a vehicle to calculate its lease payment. I would be more than happy to give you my opinion of this deal if you let me know what these numbers are.

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  • Hi bernie456. Normally short leases have higher monthly payments than long leases do because with the short lease one is spreading out the large initial depreciation hit that vehicles experience over a smaller number of payments. I'm surprised that the 24 month leases that you were quoted for the Accord are less expensive than the 36 month leases that you were quoted are. If you provide me with these cars' full MSRPs and selling prices, I can use Honda's actual lease program to estimate what its 24 and 36 month payments should be.

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  • Hi tex18. Honda Finance's current (November) buy rate lease money factor for the 2007 Accord Sedan SE is .00220 for the 4-cylinder model and .00182 for the 6-cylinder model for consumers who qualify for its "Super Preferred" credit tier and pay a security deposit at lease signing.

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  • tex18tex18 Posts: 82
    Thanks Car man,I have already bought my car under the last (ended Oct 31.) Lease deal. I think its a better deal than the present one.

    Enjoying the 07 Accord SE.
  • dwynnedwynne Posts: 4,018
    I think your deal was better. They dropped the residual 2% (they do that every 2-3 months throughout the model year) but also dropped the MF by a bit. The net result is you would pay more if you leased the same car this month - if we assume the same low price you negotiated. I think the "lease special" prices shown on the Honda web page show the same monthly payment as last month - so I assume this indicates more "dealer contribution" to make that price.

    Dennis
  • I plan on Leasing new vehicle this month and got this outrageous (in my opinion) quote. 2007 Accord EXL-Nav..MSRP 27,795. Was quoted $386/month for 36 month lease, 12,000 miles with $2000.00 down. Was also told this for for persons with "platinum credit" (my credit score is 712)

    What opinions do you all have as to what is a "good" rate? I am in the Metro NY area.

    Thanks
  • dwynnedwynne Posts: 4,018
    Coupe or Sedan? I4 or V6? Manual or auto? Are you saying WITH NAV or is the "-" supposed to mean NO NAV?

    The V6 EX-L sedan without NAV has an MSRP of $27,795 so we will assume this is the one you want. Invoice would be a decent price on this car, which is $25,277. Car_Man says the MF on the V6 is .00182 . The residual is either 59% or 60% of MSRP. Plugging into a lease calc shows $315.20 base monthly payment with 60% residual and $322.46 with 59% (I don't know which one is right, I think it is the 59%).

    This does not include any taxes, tags, title fees, etc and would be with you buying the car at invoice and paying the $595 (I think) lease acquisition fee and $325 security deposit at signing.

    I think on NY leases the tax is due on the total of the payments and is due up front. So $322.46 * 36 = $11,608.56 * your local tax rate - let us say 8.25% = $957.71.

    So if you paid $595 + $325 + $958 = $1,878 up front plus title, tags, and dealer fees then your payment would be $324.46 per month. So the $386 payment with $2k up front does sound WAY too high to me. Now I made a bunch of assumptions as to model and price and residual and actual tax rate, but it probably is not a good deal.

    The way to do a good lease deal is the same way you do a good purchase deal - negotiate the price of the car first. With today's slow Accord sales you need to be around invoice for the car including destination and dealer fees. Once you have your best price from a local dealer, the the other stuff SHOULD be all the same - the "buy rate" money factor, taxes, etc. Keep in mind, the dealer can mark up the money factor for extra profit - so make sure you check the math and get the proper rate.

    Dennis
  • tex18tex18 Posts: 82
    Why is the new payment $249 a month compared to the last special of $239 when the MF is lower than the last special?
  • dwynnedwynne Posts: 4,018
    2% lower residual now VS when you leased. If you take the lower MF (the lower the MF the lower your payment) and combine with the lower residual (the lower the residual the higher your payment) then the net - in this case - is a higher payment.

    Dennis
  • Okay, this is the best I have so far...

    Accord EX-L 4cyl with Nav. List here is 27,795
    OTD offer 25,800 (this is 800 over invoice if I read correctly)
    MF .0022 (58%)
    tax rate 7.375%
    Due at signing Taxes 958.69
    first month 361.09
    admin fee 638.88 (WHATS THIS)
    title&reg 217.50
    TOTAL 2176.16

    36/12k lease

    Well? Should I keep looking?
  • Hi dwynne,
    Thanks for your advice on the boards. I'm planning to lease an 07 Accord SE AT sedan before the end of the month ($22,220 MSRP including dest charge) in a 36-month/15k lease. Car man gives the MF as .00220, but you've mentioned this can be lowered with a security deposit. Is that always true? Do you know the current residual value?

    Also, what's your feeling about leasing by end of November vs sometime in December. Honda's leasing special for this car got more expensive in November vs October, do you have a feel this trend will continue?

    One more question: do Honda's MF and Residual apply even outside the "online special"? I don't want to pay the cap cost reduction mentioned in the lease details on Honda's website.

    Thanks!!
  • w5tw5t Posts: 10
    Great site! Lots of good info!
    I do have a question, I currently am leasing a 2003 Accord EX-L (no navigation) for 294.13 + tax = 302.95. My lease is a 48 month lease based on 12,000 miles a year. The current odometer reading is 31,000 miles. The lease is up in March 2007. The car is in excellent condition with new tires and new brakes. I would like to get a new 2007 Accord, same specs as my current one and keep the lease payment the same or lower. I thought I might be able to do this as I am guessing I have some "equity" in my current car and could utilize it as a trade in. The MSRP that appears to get me the closest to what I have now is 27618 + 595 shipping and handling. I live in an area where there are not a lot of competing dealers so getting a good deal is difficult and takes a lot of "negotiating".
    Does this seem possible based on current prices and programs or am I better off waiting until December or early 2007?
    Thanks for your help.
  • dwynnedwynne Posts: 4,018
    For an SE AT Accord sedan you should negotiate the price down to around INVOICE for the car including dealer fees and destination. Some regions are reporting even better prices, but close to invoice including fees is a good price.

    I think the 0.00220 MF is with you paying a security deposit. To get them to waive the deposit, they normally raise the MF by 0.0001 (0.24%). I think returning lease customer can have the deposit waived for no increase in MF.

    Normally the MF and residual for the "lease special" is the same as the other cars. In your case, your residual will be lower due to the 15k mile per year lease VS the 12k mile in the special. I think it normally drops 2% to go from 36/36k to 36/45k.

    The residual is fixed, can't be changed by you or the dealer. The MF is the "buy rate" for anyone with tier 1 credit but CAN BE marked up by the dealer (seldom done at a Honda dealership, from what I hear). So if you qualify for tier 1 you get that rate and the residual same as everyone else.

    The special is just a round numbers thing, they have you put down "some number" and have the dealer discount the car "some amount" to make the payments come out to $249 or $229 or $299 or whatever. You can (and should) get more of a discount than is stated in the special and put down more or less money as you wish. The MF and the residual will stay the same. It is possible and may be likely to get enough discount on the car to wipe out almost all of the cap cost reduction and have the same payment. You WILL have to pay the $595 lease acquisition fee or roll it into the lease. The lower you negotiate the price, the lower the payment. The less you put down the higher the payment. Etc, etc.

    Dennis
  • dwynnedwynne Posts: 4,018
    As far as the future goes, who knows? If they sell a lot of cars this month then the deals may be the same or worse next month. If sales slow, then they may play with a lower MF or higher residual or both to stimulate leases - and you may be able to make an even better deal.

    Generally the residual value drops in steps every 2 or 3 months as the model year ages. So for the same MF the lease would be cheapest in September and cost you the most in August of next year. The car inches closer to no longer being the current model year to the residual drops. In the past later winter or early spring have been choice times to buy a new Accord. When I got my wife's car they had an up to $600 dealer incentive on them AND had a 2% or so MF on the lease at the same time. It actually got a little better the month or so AFTER we did our deal, but not enough to make me sorry we did the deal when we did. But again "who knows" what will happen this time around?

    Dennis
  • Stopped by the local dealership tonight, was quoted the following for a new '07 Accord SE V6 with auto:

    $22,500 purchase price

    24 month / 24K miles $501 total out of pocket, $298/mo (residual $18,136)

    36 month / 36K miles, $501 total out of pocket, $308/mo (residual $15,155)

    Will need to work on the purchase price a bit, but overall the numbers look good. Quote good through 11/30/06, then lease deal goes away (or changes to something else I assume).
  • topgun7topgun7 Posts: 412
    Hello Car_man, do you know what is the money factor and residual for an 07 EX-L/NAV V6 Accord Sedan for 36 months/12Kmi? Thanks.
  • Any insight into what's in store for Accord leases after Dec. 4? Do we have to rush to get it now, or should we wait to see what December has in store?
  • dwynnedwynne Posts: 4,018
    Most (all?) of the Accord models are at 0.00220 (5.28%) right now for 36 month leases. Last month they were 0.00227 (5.448%). However, throughout the model year residual values drop as they did for November - the I4 cars that were 62% (36/36k) dropped to 60% and those that were 60% (36/45k) dropped to 58%. I don't think Honda adjusts the residuals monthly, so the current residuals may run through December as well. The MF? Who knows - the current one is below "market" for the car (and the residual is high) to make for a more attractive lease.

    I guess it all depends on sales and how many leases they write - too many cars on the lot and too few lease deals and the "lease special" will probably get sweeter. If sales and lease volume is fine, then they may even raise the MF for December.

    Since the residual just dropped, I think I would wait and see what they announce on/after the 5th. Since the month ends before the current deals, Honda will likely have announced via press release the November sales. Once they do, check the Accord numbers and see how they look. Up from last year? Up from last month? If sales do not look that good, then the odds of better deals coming in December look good. If sales are strong, then you have until the 4th to get in on the current deal.

    Dennis
  • Thanks Dennis! One more: you mentioned earlier in the thread that a good price nowadays in various markets is the invoice price, including destination and dealer fees. Are these usually included in the invoice price? Am I correct, then, that the "good" price before including destination and dealer fees is that amount below invoice?
  • dwynnedwynne Posts: 4,018
    To me "invoice" is the published invoice price (here, kbb, carsdirect, etc) that INCLUDES the destination fee. So getting the car for "invoice plus TTL" means you pay the dealer invoice for the car with destination and any dealer fees included. Most dealers have the "doc" or "prep" fee pre-printed on the paperwork (this makes folk think they HAVE to pay it - since it is printed on the form and not written in). So your car price should be car w/dest - fee so that when they add it in via the pre-printed line the total = invoice (or less).

    Some dealers give online, phone, or e-mail quotes for just the car. Then when you show up to buy they then add the $595 destination charge to the price AND some dealer fee. So when getting quotes you want the price to be car w/dest and fees included. The taxes, tags, and title will cost the same no matter where you buy. So be specific about what you want in the price and when you do get a price ask again if the fees and dest is included.

    Some folks are reporting under invoice prices, but there is not incentive shown at edmunds for 07 Accords so it may be regional. If you KNOW what the incentive is, then take it off of invoice to get a good price. If you can get the car for invoice plus a modest dealer fee that is an OK deal. Anything under invoice that includes the fees is a hotter deal.

    Always try for the best deal but don't knock yourself out over a hundred bucks or two. If you run the lease calculations that small of an amount is not going to make a lot of difference in your lease payment. Remember the residual is fixed - 60% lets say - so paying $100 "too much" means your lease amount goes up $40. There is interest, but you can see that would not add much to a payment on a 36 month lease.

    Negotiate the price on the car first, then your trade allowance (if any), then finally do the lease deal. Make sure you get the "buy rate" on the lease. The amount you put down is up to you, but there is little reason to put much, if any, down into the lease.

    Dennis
  • Car man,

    Was wondering if this is a good deal. Your feedback, and that of other forum members would be greatly appreciated.

    2007 Accord EXL V6 auto trans. No NAV. 3 yr 36 k lease. $1329 out of pocket (inc 1st mo, bank fee, TTL ...). Monthly payment of $334 including sales tax.

    Also, in the past I have gotten to my final price and refused to pay a bank fee and the dealer has agreed. Seems like this is more difficult today - your thoughts?

    Thank you,
  • guestguest Posts: 770
    I want to lease an 07 accord ex v6 and was quoted 462 down 320 a month for 36 months plus tax and mv fees @ 12000 miles per year... does this sound like a deal i should make??
  • I live in Michigan. How much should I bargain a lease for on Dec. 8th. 2007 Accord. SE either V6 or 4 cyl. Don't matter. I want to put $0 money down.

    Any help?
  • car man please help

    I want to lease an 07 accord ex v6 and was quoted 462 down 320 a month for 36 months plus tax and mv fees 12000 miles per year... does this sound like a deal i should make??
  • I just got a quote today in Michigan, absolutely ZERO down, sign & Drive, $295.00 out the door. ( 24 months, on a SE V6 Accord ) Include plates transfer from my current car. I used the option on this website to have dealers quote on the car. I got offers from four dealers in Metro Detroit, ranging from $355 out the door to the low of $295.00 . I test drove the car today, filled out the paperwork, and pick the car up in the morning.
    I also got quotes on an EX 4 cylinder, because I thought I might like a moonroof, the lowest quote I got was $310 & ZERO down for 36 months.
  • Dennis,
    Thank you for your thorough answer. I did wait out the end of November and now have the time to go shopping. Do you know if the MF or residual changed in December for the SE AT Sedan lease (36/45k)?

    Thank you,
    Rosa
  • Would you share with us the complete breakdown of the deal?Such as the final cap cost, residual, money factor, dispo fee, and bank fee. Thanks
  • topgun7topgun7 Posts: 412
    Hello Car_man,

    I am thinking about leasing an 07 Accord EX-L with Nav for 3 Years 12kmi/yr in California. What is the money factor and residual? thanks.
  • Leased 22220 MSRP, purchase 19600, MF .0022, 15k/year, 24 months, residual 68% , w/ $666(1st month payment and tags, total out the door is $289, includes taxes, IS THIS A GOOD DEAL OR WHAT???????????????
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