Honda Civic Coupe / Civic Si 2006+

Karen_S

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carfanatic007

But I will post anyway. I love my new Civic SI. Have had for over two weeks. Great pickup, handling, fuel economy, looks etc. Best purchase I ever made.

tomsr1

I have had my Civic coupe about a month.My wife is primary
driver and took it to Los Angeles anout 250 miles round trip.She said it was rough and noisy but did not notice it as much as when on the crappy roads there.Out of curiosity
I checked the tire pressure and they were all at 37psi
which is the way it was delivered. So my advice is check
your tire pressure and trust not the dealer service department.From what I have been reading the Civic is no rougher than anything else in it's weight class.Is this so?
I put my psi at 32 per the door so we will see if it is any
smoother.

nofeer

looking at an o7 si, can't find one to sit in. are the seats more bolsterd than the ex?? what about getting in and out, if it's much lower than the ex i'm not sure my knees can take it. it would be nice to get true comparison of various speeds of si vs ex for drivablity eg
0-35
0-45
rolling start to 35-45
because then you know what most city driving would be like with the ex vs si. sure the 0-60 is better but the max torque comes on at very high revs.
maybe the above would weed out the benefit of the si engine. i don't want to be constantly shifting i do a 1-2-5 a lot does anyone have links to answer this question, has any site done a ex vs si comparo
si per edmunds
Performance Top
0 - 30 (sec): 2.9
0 - 45 (sec): 4.8
0 - 60 (sec): 7.2
0 - 75 (sec): 10.1
1/4 Mile (sec @ mph): 15.1 @ 93.8
30 - 0 (ft): 31.4
60 - 0 (ft): 122.7
Braking Rating (Excellent, Good, Average, Poor or Very Poor): Good
Slalom (mph): 67.80
Skid Pad (g-force): .84

ex per edmunds
Performance:
0 - 30 (sec): 3.5
0 - 45 (sec): 6.2
0 - 60 (sec): 9.6
0 - 75 (sec): 14.6
1/4 Mile (sec @ mph): 17.1 @ 81.7
30 - 0 (ft): 32
60 - 0 (ft): 130
Braking Rating: (Excellent, Good, Average, Poor or Very Poor) Average
Slalom (mph): 64.6
Turning Circle (ft), curb-to-curb: Not Tested
Handling Rating: (Excellent, Good, Average, Poor or Very Poor) Average

BIG DIFFERENCE

mazda 3 with the 2.3 is between the ex and si, now for the mazda speed 3 i'll keep looking but the si has much better milage.

xinnek

Hi, I'm the owner/admin of myfastgti. I'm actually a big honda fan too. I broke the first spy photos of the 2005 honda odyssey on one of my Honda sites. I worked for Honda from 1997 to 1999 and 2001 to 2005. I coached, the #1 Honda Salesperson in the U.S. for 2001, 2002 and 2003 on product knowledge.

I really try to bring unbiased information to the site. Especially when comparing the gti with the si, as I really like both cars. of course, like you said, it's a gti site so it will be a little biased.

It's true, the GTI does have more engine noise. Because VW actually funneled the sound of the engine into the passenger compartment to give the driver a better performance type experience. As I said, I really like both cars and both have a lot of advantages. The thing that sets the GTI apart from the Si in my opinion is not only the performance charateristics, but also the little cool things that you get with the gti. From the Laser seam welding that increased the strength and rigidity of the car 80% (go ahead, hang on an open door, It will blow your mind) to the xenon headlights. Not to mention the small things like the red LEDs that allow you to read CDs and Maps without turning on a spotlight, or the racing heritage nods like the steering wheel with flat spots at the bottom like open wheel racers had so they could drive with their knees on their victory lap or the 18" countach inspired alloys. I'm sorry, I don't mean any disrespect to the Si, I think it is a wonderful automobile. But in my professional opinion, I see at least 30% more value for the money in the GTI over the Si.

PS. Yes I own a Honda too.

midnightcowboy

xinneck,

This is not a comparison thread so who cares about the VW and its poor relability. If uopu have sour grapes about Honda and Si in particluar go start you own thread ; this is the wrong place.

The Si is the elite Honda Civic Coupe. I had one on special order , but the dealership screwed up the special order after 2 monhts so I ended up buying an S2000 from another dealer.

Let's see I am a professional. I have opinions and I am a certified car-nut.

The Si is an awesome car in looks, performance and mileage.

Just my professional opinion,

MidCow

carfanatic007

Motor Trend said it best, the SI is the true sporty car. The GTI is a boxy wagon looking thing with an ugly teethy look to the front (in my professional opinion). It dosen't handle as good, loses by a couple of seconds in the track. Plus the SI will have better resale value. Wait a year or two for the GTI reliability issues to start cropping up as they always do.

guy1974

Both the GTi and the Si are good cars - its personal preference as to which you prefer. Styling is also subjective as the coupe styling can also be seen by some to be ugly and hot hatches (note not hot coupes) are popular in the Europe and will come over here. Personally reliability is a key thing so I have doubts about the GTi but both the engine and the DSG transmission are very highly rated by the industry. This shows that VW has at least some engineering know-how. The main problem with the Si seems to be the need to rev it so high just to get some torque (negates the lighter weight) - Honda really need to increase the amount of torque available as people can`t always be racing on a track.

06sidriverla

"The main problem with the Si seems to be the need to rev it so high just to get some torque (negates the lighter weight) - Honda really need to increase the amount of torque available as people can`t always be racing on a track"

I agree with the description, though it's arguable whether or not it's accurate to characterize this as a "problem".

The Si sports one of the most advanced and energetic naturally-aspirated fuel-efficient four cylinder engines on the market. Hard to imagine any other way to go about getting this kind of performance without sacrificing fuel efficiency, adding forced induction, or both.

iVTECH has come a long way. Recent advancements have improved Honda's ability to make cars that peform optimally in high performance as well as regular street driving modes.

Comparing its engineering to that of a GTI is bound to be misleading.

The Si is a performer at high rpms, but is remarkably tame under normal driving conditions. High revs aren't necessary, but the red line is way up there when you want to engage the car's strengths. I havent considered engine noise to be a concern, it's a pussycat when driven normally.

nowakj66

How does the back seat compare between a 4 door GTI and a 4 door Si Sedan? I know the Si Sedan is not out but one could extrapolate from the Civic sedan.

plekto

"The main problem with the Si seems to be the need to rev it so high just to get some torque (negates the lighter weight) - Honda really need to increase the amount of torque available as people can`t always be racing on a track"

That's purely a function of the gearing. Poor gearing and you'll have very bad power delivery. Great gas mileage, but pretty nasty inthe quickness department.

midnightcowboy

I have owned and still own several Honda/Acura VTEC engines and it just aint true. You can get all the performance you want, it is called downshifting. The VTEC is an outstanding way to extract horsepower from a smaller engien and retain high miles per gallon.

Thost who complain need to get a large V-8 Buick AUTOMATIC and get 17 mpg or less on the highway.

The Si is a sweet car but it requires driver interaction. If that is not your thing then you bought the wrong car! The Si is very similar to my S2000 and is an fun oustanding interactive car.

Cheers,

MidCow

riposte

"Thost who complain need to get a large V-8 Buick AUTOMATIC and get 17 mpg or less on the highway."

Or perhaps a Corvette...rated 28 MPH highway.

I hear that has a pretty honkin' V8 engine.

plekto

Make that 25mpg highway for the Lucerne with the Northstar V8. It's a huge car that easily seats six adults.

There is no substitute for mass. The grunt that the Lucerne CXS has is amazing. It drives and moves like a top-end Cadillac or Mercedes, just for thousands less.

yennhi2

I can not make up my mind between the coupe or sedan. I think the coupe look better, but I hear people said the sedan drive smoother and quiter. I hope anyone who already owned one give me some inputs. Thanks

midnightcowboy

you get my pint, if you wan to gat a car for old folks get Buick. They ride soft and have smooth V8 power. Yes with gearing today you can get higher mpg , if you drive like a grandma or grampa.

Oh please never let me gat that old! I have only been driving 43 years and paln to drive many more without touching a Buick, even if Tiger is paid to sponsor htem.

LOL,

MidCow

midnightcowboy

Ride and suspension are about the same. The stereo is much better in coupe. Harder to get inback seats if you typically haul more than two people on the coupe. Coupe looks sharper and you can get Si model; next year si sedan also. Both cars are good. Insurance cost on sedans is less, not sure how much less o nCivic sedan.

vcarreras

Please please please Honda bring it here...

http://world.honda.com/news/2006/4060914CivicTypeR/

http://world.honda.com/news/2006/4060914CivicTypeR/photo/pages/01.html

riposte

I believe that you were the one who claimed "17 MPG highway".

Two of us have pointed out that that particular claim was not true.

Admit your mistake, and let's move on, rather than you trying to change the subject.

john500

It's too late. The current Si is the same as the type R listed in the ad. Honda screwed up by selling the Si in the US and not selling the type R hatchback that was available in Europe between 2002-2005. The 40 hp, better handling and larger spoiler with ground effects would have done wonders to hatchback sales. Honda probably could have sold the 2002-2005 R's at MSRP instead of having record Honda discounts on the 2002-2005 Si's.

midnightcowboy

Consumer reports says only 18 mpg on 3.8 V6, so I figured at least 1 mpg less on 4.6 V8 Anyway my point which you seemed to have missed so I will restate more clearly. For those who don't like high rev small dispalcement ( ie. low torque and high mppg) maybe they should get an old folks car like a Buick, which have big engines that typcally get realitively low mileage in comparison to sport Honda VTEC, manual shift cars.

Tested Model
2005 CXL sedan, 3.8-liter V6, 4-speed automatic
Tires as Tested
Goodyear Integrity, size P225/60R16 97S
Acceleration
0-30 mph, sec. 3.1
0-60 mph, sec. 9.0
Quarter mile, sec. 17.0
Quarter mile, mph 83
45-65 mph, sec. 6.3
Braking
Braking 60-0mph dry, ft. 146
Braking 60-0mph wet, ft. 160
Other findings
Transmission
Routine handling
Emergency handling
Avoidance maneuver
max. speed, mph 50.0
Headlights
Turning circle, ft. 40
Ground clearance, in. 4.5
Fuel economy
CU's overall mileage, mpg 18
CU's city/highway, mpg 12/30
CU's 150-mile trip, mpg 23
Annual fuel: gal./cost 815/$2360
Cruising range, mi. 375
Convenience & comfort
Ride
Noise
Driving position
Access
Controls and displays
Fit and finish
Door top to ground, in. 51.5
Trunk
Luggage capacity 4+1
Max. load, lb. 915
Seating
Front-seat comfort
Front shoulder room, in. 57.0
Front leg room, in. 41.0
Front head room, in. 2.0
Rear-seat comfort
Rear shoulder room, in. 56.5
Rear fore-aft room, in. 27.0
Rear head room, in. 1.5

Cheers,

MidCow

riposte

MidCow -

Is a Corvette an "old folks'" car?

It gets in the mid-upper 20's highway. We've both seen reports of folks driving Si's who get the same.

Also VW has a turbo-4 which makes quite a bit of low-end torque, and also gets good fuel mileage.

Honda's method is one of several ways to obtain good performance with good fuel mileage; it's not the only way.

I see you over on the Prius board. You thinking of trading that S2000 on a Prius?

carfanatic007

If you seriously believe that a Corvette gets the same mileage as an SI, I have a bridge I would like to sell you. Corvette drivers, like SI drivers are not worried about gas milege, so I guess the point is irrelevent.

plekto

you get my point, if you want to get a car for old folks get Buick. They ride soft and have smooth V8 power. Yes with gearing today you can get higher mpg , if you drive like a grandma or grampa.

You'll note that I always mention the CXS. The top-end model with the magnetic ride suspension, traction control, and of course, the lovely V8.

It's as different from a base Lucerne as the Grand National was from the stock Regal Sedan. One is a bloated, slow toad that is every bit elderly as any other Buick and the other...

Hold on... What just happened? It's quick, it's poised, it has ZERO torque-steer or body lean in corners? It drives exactly like a mid 90's S-class. Big, powerful, and smooth. Very much a European feel. It drives like it's easily a thousand pounds lighter due to that suspension. And when I mean zero torque-steer, I'm not kidding - it just moves and you forget whether it's FWD or RWD.

And with the bench seat, you get three bonuses:
1: Seating for 6. This means tons more room up front for the driver. It feels big all of a sudden. Massive improvement that makes the car feel much more airy and open.
2: Center console/stack is much better.
3: The traction conrtol defeat switch is buried in the dash on the normal model. On the bench seat model, they have a normal collumn-mounted gearshift. And guess where the traction control switch is? Yep - right on the end where it should be. 1/2 second to snap it off and on while driving.

http://cars.about.com/od/buick/fr/ag_06lucernecxs.htm
Now mind you - most reviews are of the "Lucerne" and mention sometihng like "An optional V8 is available" while testing the slug-o-matik v6 model.

The V8 and the 4-speed are finally a perfect match. Small engines need more gears and while the GM 4-speed is so-so in the V6 models, and has been for years, the V8 is fantastic with it.(and it costs about $1200-1600 to fix, while the Camry/Avalon 5-speed automatic is $3000-3500!)

riposte

My Dear MidCow -

You made the following statement: "Thost who complain need to get a large V-8 Buick AUTOMATIC and get 17 mpg or less on the highway. "

Your statement has been repeatedly refuted.

Your only response has been to attempt to change the subject.

The bottom line is that V8 powered vehicles CAN get very good fuel mileage on the highway.

Heck, my V6/4X4 Tacoma gets 24 MPG on the highway. It's as aerodynamic as a brick wall, so that a Corvette could get upper 20's would come a no surprise to me.

travis77

Did we somehow get the civic forum mixed up with the Buick forum?,, lol. Yea there was a comment made on the Buick but this place has turned into a Buick discussion instead of a civic forum.

carfanatic007

I second that. This is a discussion of Honda Civic Coupe/SI not Buick. How did this get started anyway? Lets cut it.

riposte

Civic Si sedans due out November 1st.

Anyone order one yet?

drexelnet

It's brand new, i assuming someone try to parallel park and then sratched my car.

Question for everyone. When I put my car on reverse and back out, then hit the brake, I hear a creaking noise. This noise happen almost every time when I hit the brakes everytime I back out. Is this normal. I spoke with my dealer, and he claimed that this is normal.

Thanks for all the help.

dani_tin

bought a 2006 civic coupe in august. it's only getting 20 mpg city. dealership says the mileage will only be better at 5000 miles. is this correct? friend bought a coupe at the same time and is having similar results. normal?

carfanatic007

I have a new SI, just put 306 miles on 10.998 gallons. Equals 27.82 mpg. Mixture of city and highway. Just went over 600 miles, so barely breaking in.

midnightcowboy

Riposte,

Prius not unless they get a manual. I have partipcated and lobbied for a manual Prius forever. Like high mileage and technology. But trade S2000 no way.

Converning Corvette, lots of torque allows .50 6th gear and 40 mile per thousand rpm so 60 mph is 1,500 rpm. if you cruise gently on highway you can get good mileage. Again my pooint was missed about VTEC being on solution. Corvette is very specailized two person little cargo , fast, expensive $45K-60K. Buick is the old folks car. Corvette is a very specailizeed example of a V8 that can get decent highway mileage and I would guess it doesn't meet very many people's needs unless it is a second car like my S2000.

VW is a whole diffent story. Nice performance, nice handling, lousy service and realablity. Had an Audi once! and the service manager and all the service technicians knew me on a first name basis.

So far in 28K miles on Honda Accord have spent less than $100 on maintenance and have had Zero(0) problems. Got better than 35 mpg on highway last trip ( V6, 6-speed) So far the S2000 has not cost me anything in maintenance, but still fairly new. The S2000 like the Si is an inteactive car. if you want to appreciate it you shift and get into VTEC range. If you are a lazy older driver you get a v8 slushmobile. .. and yes you can get a Corvette which gets good highway mileage.

LOL I SHIFT,

MidCow

sigt1

hm i wouldn't say si drivers are completely mpg averse but they probably care less about mpg than ex and lx drivers.

cybergypsy

2007 Si is at gainville honda, just saw it today!!!

riposte

You saw the 4-door sedan Si ?

dotsara

It was the air bag in the rear passanger window pillar, I took it back to my dealer explained to them what I did and they ordered a whole new air bag system for that side, and it fixed it, Come to find out that the one that was installed was not securely tighted at the factory and it was rattling, I hope this help [homerj_1]

I'm late in replying but: THANK YOU. I hear the same noise in my Si and my mom's EX Coupe. I figured it was just an '06 coupe noise. (: Now we have something to check for! woo.

ritlin

I just found out about a recall on my 2006 civic Si. It is some kind of software recall that has to do with gas milage. I don't know if that helps or not. I have been having a lot of problems with my visors. Both have been replaced, and now the passenger's visor is messed up again-about 2 weeks after it was replaced. I hear this is a common problem. Anyone else know about this?

ritlin

Oh, BTW, I am averaging 27-28 mpg most of which is city driving(Si). Oh, and I have really been enjoying it lately. I actually had it up to 114mph(don't tell).

On the highway I got 35.5 mpg once(I rarely just drive the highway, so I haven't been able to repeat it, but have no reason to believe that it's not possible if driven to support fuel economy-even at 70 mph). I use a STP fuel additive as well and only synthetic oil(Mobile 1 I think).

I hope this helps, but again, refer back to the recall issue. I have never in 10k miles gotten worse than the 23 mpg!

carfanatic007

Recall? I have received nothing from Honda on a recall. Any recall you will receive a letter from Honda stating such.

integradriver

Eight months, 20,000 miles. Almost exclusively highway. 38 MPG, no problems.

Civic Coupe LX MT

nick001

132 mph is 5th at 8200 rpm. When I shifted to 6th, the combination of a tall 6th gear and aerodynamics kept me there. I think at redline in 6th, if possible, would be like 186, ha. My worst has been 21 mpg and best was 32.

rupnok1

can't believe this...

'06 LX coupe AT, 2 months old, 3200 miles. within the first two weeks had to bring it back to the dealer for a clunking in the rear of the car. dealer had the car the whole day, couldn't figure it out. eventually it went away on its own (?)...

now as the weather cools off I've noticed at least three separate dashboard rattles, and when the windows are open partway they rattle in their tracks. :mad:

never had a new car rattle this badly. in fact, my '99 yukon doesn't rattle this much, nor did my 25 year old benz after 130k miles.

is anyone else getting all these rattles?

fasterthanyou

If you didn't know... most of the new Hondas are rattle traps. Try a better brand. Stick with the germans.

carfanatic007

No rattles on my SI. A little over 1000 miles. Nothing like the VW GTI I owned (1998 VR6 and 2001 1.8T). Talk about rattles. And mechanical problems! But, I don't have time to go into that!

tazereli

and get to know your service advisor better than you know your wife. In the 9 years and 98k miles, my civic has but one rattle, when open the sunroof to anything other than vent or fully open. Anecdotal I know.

Any interest I had in VW went away when they got rid of their air cooled motors. On top, I just listen to my Bro IL regale me with tales of the VW service department he worked in. Scary as shot.

midnightcowboy

fasterthanyou said

"If you didn't know... most of the new Hondas are rattle traps. Try a better brand. Stick with the germans."

I have two Hondas with no rattles. Since you don't have them listed in your profile, might I ask what exactly do you drive?

I SHIFT :shades: ,

MidCow

fasterthanyou

I drive a Subaru WRX STI and a Honda Prelude(no rattles in this one). You say you have two Hondas with no rattles. It is not hard to believe especially if they are older and built in Japan. The new ones are a disappointment.

fasterthanyou

Just wait a little more...

carfanatic007

So your insinuating that USA and Canadians build an inferior product than the Japanese, even though it is a Japanese Company? I disagree. The quality control standards remain the same. I would be more worried about your STI blowing up. Those Turbo's cause the engines to lose alot of life.

rupnok1

actually I also have an '01 acura cls w/103k miles. it was built in the usa and has one occasional rattle in the headliner that I've lived with for years. other than that it's as tight as the day it came off the dealer lot.

I guess the quality of the plastic is as important as how well it's screwed down...