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I'm surprised they would offer that much larger vehicle at the same cost as the other compacts.
Honestly I didn't check on the Journey - I didn't want anything to do with it.
I also forgot to mention that the Corolla's steering is kind of mushy on-center; it tends to wander a bit too much.
That has been an issue with the Corolla. I thought Toyota had fixed it. Evidently they have not.
1 General Motors 206,621 188,011 10% 592,545 475,253 25%
2 Ford Motor Co. 212,295 178,188 19% 495,508 427,702 16%
3 Toyota 176,222 186,863 -6% 433,924 385,686 13%
4 Honda (American) 133,650 108,262 23% 307,978 256,412 20%
5 Chrysler Group LLC 121,730 92,623 31% 286,950 234,215 23%
6 Nissan 121,141 95,468 27% 285,358 228,229 25%
7 Hyundai Group 61,873 47,002 32% 142,620 111,509 28%
8 Subaru 26,916 23,785 13% 67,457 57,494 17%
9 VW 27,176 22,148 23% 67,038 58,283 15%
10 Mazda 30,905 23,193 33% 64,559 55,941 15%
11 Daimler AG 22,546 20,023 13% 55,995 50,571 11%
12 BMW Group 20,295 18,060 12% 52,616 46,323 14%
13 Mitsubishi 7,560 5,434 39% 20,167 13,623 48%
14 Porsche 2,588 1,905 36% 7,007 5,222 34%
15 Suzuki 2,497 2,246 11% 6,702 5,661 18%
16 Jaguar Land Rover 874 983 -11% 2,501 2,375 5%
17 Saab 830 133 524% 2,034 741 174%
18 Maserati 200 189 6% 473 394 20%
Other (estimate) 70,704 51,689 37% 168,373 129,617 30%
1 Ford F - Series PU 53,272 25%
2 Chevrolet Silverado PU 32,555 9%
3 Nissan Altima 32,289 31%
4 Honda Accord 31,533 19%
5 Toyota Camry / Solara 31,464 -13%
6 Honda Civic 31,213 39%
7 Toyota Corolla / Matrix 30,234 2%
8 Ford Fusion 27,566 21%
9 Ford Escape 23,975 25%
10 Hyundai Sonata 22,894 21%
11 Honda CR-V 21,998 48%
12 Dodge Ram PU 21,898 23%
13 Hyundai Elantra 19,255 134%
14 Toyota Prius 18,605 58%
15 Chevrolet Impala 18,063 16%
16 Chevrolet Cruze 18,018 0%
17 Nissan Sentra 17,851 105%
18 Ford Focus 17,178 -12%
19 Volkswagen Jetta 16,969 85%
20 Toyota RAV4 16,082 -38%
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#2135 of 2135 Re: Round one to Toyota [steve_] by frankok1
Apr 02, 2011 (4:27 am)
Replying to: steve_ (Apr 01, 2011 1:15 pm)
Wow - the Judge on his own decided it was not electronics:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/02/business/02toyota.html?_r=1&src=busln
Dr. Sitafalwalla, 59, had argued the accident was caused by defects in either the electronic throttle system or the floor mats. On March 29, Judge E. Thomas Boyle, a United States magistrate presiding over the trial in Central Islip, ruled out evidence on the electronics.
“We weighed all the evidence and came to the conclusion that there was not a defect with the automobile,” said Regina Desio of Plainview, N.Y., the jury forewoman.
Albert Zafonte Jr., a lawyer for Dr. Sitafalwalla, said he was “disappointed in the verdict. I thought there was sufficient evidence for the jury to find otherwise.”
So since the model did not have floor mat or pedal recall it was a pretty easy decision - the old fart had to hit the accelerator instead of the brake.
Wonder if the judge read NASA's Michael Kirsch review of their results in a summary – 03/11
http://onlinepubs.trb.org/onlinepubs/UA/030311Kirsch.pdf
Last page shows that they found errors giving smaller than full throttle openings - couldn't find the cause of "large unintended accelerations". Those smaller ones could explain many of the low crash incidents in parking lots etc. There is no reason why drivers are misapplying pedals in Toyotas, but not in many others such as GM's that have had very very low numbers of cases per vehicle sold.
I am going to stick up for lucid drivers including older ones until proven otherwise.
Naah, it's too early for that. Shortages of parts (and therefore vehicles) will start showing up in May and June.
I am pretty sure that is what my friend was experiencing with her 09 Corolla. That is enough to give a little surge that could cause you to hit something. It was enough after two times for her to get rid of it. Toyota needs to address that and find out what causes it. I think it is safe to say it is a result of trying to become Number One. Now they are paying the price with loss of long time customers.
Prius is down to 22 days' supply, too. They also cancelled all factory orders. Supply is short on the popular models, but not all (yet).
We'll see a much bigger impact in the coming months, however.
PS What everyone is forgetting is that Toyota launched their incentives in March 2010, to counteract the incentives launched by predatorial competitors the month prior
Not according to the Toyota. Lexus was -1.5% for March and -5.7% for the year so far. Well below BMW up 18% & MB up 10.7%. If you don't count Mini for BMW then MB is in the lead.
http://pressroom.toyota.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=2955
PS
The biggest surprise for me was the Nissan Altima.
How about the Sentra? It doubled sales from the same month a year ago.
Any idea why such an increase?
The joke is, even the American automakers, which many on here claim is the only way to buy American, have already had part supply shortages b/c many of them get parts from Japan. Its already begun affecting us now is my point, there is not delay until it starts affecting us.
I guess we are just going to disagree about this.
I recently rode in a 2011 CRV. Its not a quiet vehicle, but not super noisy either. It seemed much quieter than a couple of years ago model. The engine revs a lot lower as well. But it is a bit cramped.
I don't know why anyone would buy one
Probably decent handling and driveability, outstanding long term quality in every survey I've seen and resulting very strong resale/trade-in value.
Escape is the best from a comfort and quiet standpoint
I've had Escapes as rentals. Not a bad vehicle, but I think it shows its platform age. I find it a bit disconnected from the road like the Hyundai's and every one I've had with 20K or so on the odo had developed rattles. Does have better seats than the equivalent Honda or Toyota though, but lower long term quality and resale value.
I'm not sure there's really an outstanding vehicle in any of the small CUV's yet. The new Equinox/Terrain has good potential, but unfortunately when you read the blogs it seems to be having too many teething and GM electronic issues, as well as engine pinging. The previous Equinox doesn't have a distinguished quality reputation, but hopefully this one will settle down in the next model year and end up alright. I'd consider it if that happens, but would be reluctant to buy one today. I think Ford is replacing the Escape in a year or two (long overdue). I don't know what takes them so long to get new products out in Dearborn?
GM: Total cars, 356490; Total trucks, 276637; Total vehicles, 633127
Toyota: Total cars, 278289; Total trucks, 191018; Total vehicles, 469307
(Source: GM Toyota)
GM not only outsold Toyota by a large margin in total vehicle sales; it also outsold Toyota in cars!
IMO, you are correct, but frankly, that's been my experience with most Hondas. They're not terribly noisy, but they are noticeably noisier than some other cars in their class, especially the Odyssey, Accord and Pilot. OTOH, they are a bit sportier than say, Toyotas.
Wait for the gas prices to keep going up, then you'll see truck/SUV focused Ford and GM having those vehicles sit for months on end. That would be a great example of your point.
If you go back a bit on this thread, it was noted that 2010 Prius' are still available.
Something like a CT200h may have a more immediate supply issue, but it is not a high volume vehicle.
Check out the build dates on vehicles for sale, there is usually a several month difference from the day you are looking at it.
Using extremes to make a point, doesn't really make a point.
Doesn't Nissan have big incentives on the Altima? I'm not surprised. My wife's former roommate has one, and it's a nice ride. CVT takes getting used to.
Funny side note - my best friend is married to a Nissan marketing manager, and they are looking for Computer Science grads who speak fluent Portuguese (that's me to a T) to work with their Brazilian branch. Too bad I'm not looking for a job!
I'd also have to move to TN, though. Thanks, but I'll pass.
It does in sales, but they have lots of fleet sales plus those $16,999 ad cars. I wonder how many truly sell to customers who pay over, say, $20k.
I took my little brother to test drive one, it seems very dated compared to the competition. Square, tall, less car-like, rougher riding. I guess it appeals to old school shoppers who want something basic and boxy.
The sticker price on ours was laughable, though, well in to the $30s.
They didn't have a single manual transmission in stock so we just drove an auto V6 for the heck of it. It was at the bottom of his list, least favorite.
CR-V and RAV4 did not come in manuals so we didn't look. He ended up with a Forester 2.5X Premium with the all-weather package. Subaru is the last to offer a manual in an SUV that isn't totally bare-bones and stripped.
That is true...HOWEVER...
What you're overlooking is that supply was already short on many popular models, so this adds insult to injury.
We can't say there isn't ANY inventory, but there is LITTLE inventory, and each day that passes there is LESS inventory.
What happens, short-term, is that there is no SELECTION at dealerships, and if people can't find the color and model they want, they either wait or they buy something else.
Knowing about the Tsunami, they buy something else.
So sales are lost. Short-term, even.
My brother could not find a Forester in the color he wanted, so it took him a month to even find a car, because manuals were in short-supply.
He got very lucky, and his Paprika Red Pearl made it in between the time he started looking and just after the tsunami hit, but before supply was cut off completely. If he started looking today, odds are he would either have to pick another color, or in his case he would have bought a used car instead. Subaru would have lost a sale, plain and simple.
Stale cars at some brands, maybe, but not the typical Toyota.
Prius supply was down to 22 days. Ideal is 60 days.
Also, I factory ordered a car built in Japan and we got it in 5 weeks. Most of them don't sit around for months.
You're used to Fords (*). :P
* Escapes are abundant, but joking aside Ford is short on Explorers. The salesman we met when we drove the Escape told us most of them are pre-sold. So if supply was interrupted today, sales would basically come to a halt, since they are future production (pre-sold).
You'd probably flunk the "how to speak Southern" part Juice. :P
I'm headed to TN Friday to get my annual grits and catfish fix. Good place to buy a Toyota too if you live in one of the captive Southeast Toyota states.
Howdy, y'all.
I will actually be asking some old friends from that school via Facebook if they're interested.
PS The best perk working for Nissan is a NICE lease allowance, she's had a 350Z convertible, a Maxima, and now a Murano (just had a baby). They have to have less than 40k miles, so 2 year leases, good for CCB sufferers
My test drive in a Subaru with CVT was enough to not give another one a try. They are ok for snow machines and motor scooters. I don't like the screaming engine when going up hills.
CVTs can put the engine right at peak torque or peak HP and keep them there, so in an application where a 4 banger is hauling a heavy car, it actually makes sense.
DSG is nice but look at what the servicing costs and some need it every 40k.
I'm fine with my 5EAT as well, but we both have bigger, more torquey engines.
Lots of good people over that way, but they aren't Southern any more than you Yankees up in DC are. We'uns from Mississippi don't care where y'all drew the Mason-Dixon line. :P
I bet there are some good catfish farms around Blue Springs (speaking of Toyota).
VA feels like the south, especially if you go to Richmond.
MD it depends. Eastern Shore was all tobacco farms, and now it's corn and chickens (Purdue). That feels like the country, as do some parts of the panhandle. But anywhere near DC, Annapolis, or Baltimore feels a lot more urban.
To make this car-related, when I drove in Texas I have to say I experienced the most curteous drivers I have *ever* seen, out of many cities and even all the countries I've visited. No contest really.
My salesman just gave up trying to get one.
Of course, if I wanted a base model or one over 45k, there are a few of those around.
My buddy is looking for a big work/family truck with 3 rows, but wants something relatively green to set the example for his construction company, and I suggested the upcoming EcoBoost Explorer. When does that come out, anyway?
Highlander Hybrid was too small for him - he's got 4 kids.
He may also look at an F-150 crew cab with a front bench seat, if so I suggested the V6 EcoBoost version of that.
Back to Toyota...
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/04/05/japans-new-cars-sales-reportedly-plummet-to-l- owest-since-1968/
Far more immediate effect, of course. I wonder, though, if Nissan will get insurance money for all those cars that were sitting at the port, waiting to be shipped?
I would think that most manufacturers were self insured.