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Best vehicle for $40,000



  • pg48477pg48477 Posts: 309
    Why would enyone would get used 5 series? To much problems.

    BMW owner.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 22,655
    why is that? better mileage and cleaner than alot of regular gas burning cars.

    Are Cali folks just uninformed?

    '17 F150 Crew 2.7; '67 Coronet R/T; '14 Town&Country Limited; '09 LR2 HSE. 44-car history and counting!

  • Calidave, I bought a new 2005 CTS Feb 05. Recently I went on a 2000 mile trip that I broke into 3 segments. San Diego to Salt Lake City, SLC to Reno, and Reno back to SD. On each segment I averaged between 28 and 29 MPG with the cruise and 75-85 MPH. The car was comfortable and great to drive. I have been very pleased. Good luck with your decision. Jarrett

    I want to consider new and USED vehicles, in this analaysis (gasp!).

    What would you buy if you had 40k burning a hole in your pocket? Your needs are: sporty, yet comfortable on the highway; 4 seats minimum; over 28 mpg. (yes, we also want reasonable reliability)
  • Buick's got the reliabity, I would check out the Lucerne CXS.
  • abfischabfisch Posts: 591
    You know what really disturbs me about this segment. It's not only the price of a 40K piece of metal, but you can take a 30K piece of metal,plastic, and electronics and put enough packages, cause you have to have it, and make it to the 40K limit. Same car, but now you just blew another 10k. And to make matters worse, most of this is computerized gizmos, that you know are not going to work in 10 years, especially those that keep their 40K machines exposed to the elements.

    Almost as bad as my son, souping up his Lotus Elite on his video game, and the game allowing him to put 200K into the car by twin turbo charging it.


  • calidavecalidave Posts: 156
    Dude: it's a GAME. You are actuall concerned about what your son does to his car on a GAME?

    When he starts doing it on his real car, give us a holler.

    As to your basic point, yes a Cadillac has 10K of stuff that a Buick does not have. If you don't want that stuff, you can buy the Buick. But don't pretend that the Buick is the same car as the Caddy. It isn't.

    I wish more people would mention used car choices here. I find it odd that a car that people loved at 50K two years ago, is not loved at 40K, used, today.
  • "Buick's got the reliabity, I would check out the Lucerne CXS."

    LOL, Only if you are older than 70 (seventy) do Buicks make sense. They are the old folgy car of the old folgies.


  • I guess that I forgot my age, since we just bought a LaCrosse and I am in my 40's. Oh well, must be early onset Alzheimers. ;) In just less than a year, it has proven to be an extraordinarily quiet and comfortable car to ride. In its price range, there are no other cars that offer as quiet a ride. Since the Lucerne employs similar sound damping technologies and is a slightly larger car, I would anticipate the Lucerne to be even quieter.

    Even if your statement were half correct, it is not as terrible of a strategy for a car company as one might think. While the over 70 cohort may not buy a lot of cars, our somewhat screwed up entitlement system guarentees that they will have significant disposable income, and compared to other age cohorts, over 70 is going to be the fastest growing group for probably the next 30 years.
  • calidavecalidave Posts: 156
    for those of you who thought this analysis was more useful at $30,000, please see

  • goodegggoodegg Posts: 905
    This isn't the 'wouldn't be caught dead drivng in' discussion. Altho if I had bought a Kia I might end up shooting myself cause of the admission that something in my life went awfully wrong.

    Just bought an 06 TL. Had considered the G35, 325, EX V6, C280, and Azera. TL has a lot going for it.
  • A lot going for it- Cheap leather seats, fading dashboard, harmonic vibrations and the list goes on.

    I like the car (I have the second generation TL) but Acura nneds to address quality controls.
  • goodegggoodegg Posts: 905
    Sounds like a lot of jealousy bro. You cite very minor complaints from a minimal amount of people about the TL. I took my time and asked anybody I saw getting out of a 04-06 TL about any complaints and nobody had any. Every car has issues and you can't make everybody 100% happy. Always gonna be complainers in life - like you. Check out this board - every car is nit picked to death.

    The 'harmonic vibration' is nothing - this happens in every car too. The seats are fine with me and the dash can be treated with protectant. I'm obviously 'taking my chances' with this car since I bought one, but read about the BS on these other cars in this comparo and ask why you'd buy any car.

    No Kia ever - even considering the $ saved. You only live once.
  • Why would I be jealous over car that is practically the same car I own.The 2003 TLS is basically the same engine in the new generation TL-all Acura did was fine tuned it the engine and added some gizmos.I am looking to sell my TL in the summer when the note expires and step up to the upcoming Lexus GS 350 (AWD)so bro- please take back that jealousy remark.

    If you call those complaints minor in regards to the price you paid for the car, I would strongly suggest that you re value the way you spend your money.

    If you think Harmonic vibrations are normal and as you suggested, happens on every car, you got to be out of your mine.Personally, I think you sound like someone who works for Acura of North America with comments like those.

    I have owned several cars and never experinced any Harmonic VIBRATIONS, so go get your car checked out before it causes you serious damages.

    Another thing- you kind of remind me of me,I was just as stubborn as you are when I purchased my TL.A lot of posters were complaining about the Transmission failure and I actually ignored them and laughed in their face (so to speak).At 30,000 miles the transmission on my TLS went and I had to grin and bear it.
  • gordonwdgordonwd Posts: 337
    It's not only the price of a 40K piece of metal, but you can take a 30K piece of metal,plastic, and electronics and put enough packages, cause you have to have it, and make it to the 40K limit.

    That's why the manufacturers love selling these higher-end luxury cars -- it really does not cost them much at all to add the goodies compared to what they charge for them. Heck, some of them are just software upgrades! It really does not cost that much more for materials and manufacturing costs between an economy car and a luxury car, which is why they push the high end cars and SUVs so much.
  • i just turned 25 and want a black on black Lucerne CXS...
  • ontopontop Posts: 279
    I get a kick outta all the negativism all over this board, as well as the nit pickin' about minor little nothing issues. A bad transmission - yea - that's bad, but your warranty will kick in and replace it. So you apparently got the one bad apple. But the 'harmonic vibration' crap is a joke. My dad's Lexus and my uncle's Jaguar aren't exactly whisper quiet. I don't hear 'harmonic vibration' in my car. But I'm not exactly driving around trying to discover what's wrong with my car. But if something pops up I'll deal with it. All cars have issues. Is this board here to just rag on the minor things as much as it is to crow about the good ?
  • calidavecalidave Posts: 156
    lots of harmonic vibration on new cars with sunroofs. Volvo has it bad with the XC90 (if we are talking about the same thing - "whoomp whoomp whoomp" with the sunroof open unless you crack another window. Caused, allegedly, by the cars being so damned aerodynamic and tight.
  • First of all, I have the right to say what I say want about any car on this site, in case you didn't realize this site is for us to voice our opinions and experiences with autos.
    Lastly, you can't possible be sane to tell yourself that "ok, the car cost 333-35k, it has cheap leather seats that wears out in no time, the dashboard fades and there is a harmonic vibration coming from the engine but that's okay I can live with that its only 30+k I am spending.

    I am not bashing Honda, for goodness sake I drive an Acura, my wife drives a 04 Accord but the facts are the facts.Even on my wifes Accord there are several quality control issues.

    I test drove a GS 300 AWD and throughly inspected it, the car was absolutely flawless.Am I saying Lexus is perfect-NO.
    I know all cars have there anomalies but personally, I would not purchase the current TL unless these issues are resolved along with drivetrain and some cosmectic upgrades.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Um, yeah, you can pretty much say what you want but you do need to be topical - and the topic here is cars for $40k, not what you are throwing down.

    Maybe you should move over to the Best new or used vehicle for $30,000 discussion.
  • ontopontop Posts: 279
    A GS 300 is $50,000+. An Acura TL is $32,000. My brother has zero issues with drivetrain on his 05 TL, and no dash fading. He has no idea what anybody means by harmonic vibration with his car - he doesn't notice anything. The seat bottom side bolsters are a bit hard but I'd think they'll soften up over the years of getting in and out of the car. But they aren't cheap.

    I'd love a GS but would take a 06 TL in a heartbeat.
  • ivan_99ivan_99 Posts: 1,681
    You could get a Passat 3.6 for under 40K. This would be loaded with all the extra “stuff” and is rated at 28mpg for the highway (was it just highway or average that needed to be 28mpg?). You would even have the option of AWD if so desired.

    It’s only available in automatic so that may influence your decision; although it still achieves 0-60 in 5.9 and 1/4 mile in 14.3 @ 101.
  • blaneblane Posts: 2,017
    The only problem is VW reliability, or lack of same recently.
  • ivan_99ivan_99 Posts: 1,681
    Consumer Reports had a “recommended” for it in 03, so it probably was pretty good…or not bad at some point.

    This model is totally new so who knows how it will compare.
  • I know you guys have more ideas
  • ivan_99ivan_99 Posts: 1,681
    For 40K I would do a 330i on European Delivery. My ideal 330i comes in under 40K. 330i, leather seats, sport package, Sirius.
  • keep those ideas coming!!!
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 22,655
    A new fully loaded to the gills '06 Lincoln LS can be had for under $36k, according to carsdirect. At $11k off sticker, I'd say that's a heck of a deal. I'm not sure you can get any other luxo vehicle with a V8 and NAV for that kind of money.

    '17 F150 Crew 2.7; '67 Coronet R/T; '14 Town&Country Limited; '09 LR2 HSE. 44-car history and counting!

  • yes, but will it give me 28 mpg?

    does it meet the other "specs"?
  • blaneblane Posts: 2,017

    The recent Ford Motor Company announcements about 14 plant closings and of 30,00 layoffs, included the fact that the Lincoln LS will definitely be discontinued. It has been a poor seller.
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