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With regards to the v6 versus 4cyl...again i'll stress that my point was never that the v6 has great performance or that it is fun...or that it is even that big a hit on gas...it was simply that it costs a bit more than the 4cyl. The v6 models can get very pricey, even 3k more on msrp makes a difference with regards to a car payment...for some folks that is not an option. Again, making the v-6 a want not a need; and the 4 cyl perfect for those who don't 'need' a v6.
If California was to raise the standards, they would have to do it for gas also. I'm not saying they wouldn't but my guess is that California's auto-environmental laws are going to start focusing on mileage now.
Copy that! Getting older is not fun, but it beats not getting older.
Depends on your definition of fun. I'd rather have the better handling of an I4. To me fast cornering and curves add more fun than incrementally faster straight line acceleration.
but taking the twisties? never looses its appeal.
For the record the v6 handles just fine. If we were comparing the s2000 with the v6 Accord I would agree that there is a major change in the driving dynamic.
Accord SE stick 3,126
Accord SE auto 3,192 +66
Accord EX-L V-6 stick 3,371 +245
Accord EX-L automatic 3,435 +309
Numbers are straight from Honda.
I certainly feel pretty severe torque steer accelerating from a stop through a corner but that is a symptom of fwd. I still don't really understand how the extra weight would be a real handicap.
Since it sits over the wheels getting the power, I would think that the extra down-force would actually help maintain hold.
Perhaps I need to keep my father-in-law in the trunk to balance.
now the accord? i don't think there are any significant supsension changes to the v6 model, with the exception of the 17 inch wheels.
maybe if it was the coupe we were talking about, then maybe. But we would still have to compare a coupe and sedan with the same engine.
If there is a different suspension or tire size between the I4 and V6 in a particular model, then this will, of course, affect things. But if you put the same suspension and tires on both the I4 will corner better.
I'm not a hondarian, but with my I4 Mazda6 there is almost no understeer at all no matter how fast I take a corner.
If it was a matter of millage they would have allowed the E320CDI and VW TDI models. No, they just pulled some emission number out of thin air (pun intended) and told the car makers to meet that - regardless of what it would take to make an engine to meet that nor that cars make up less and less of the pollution problem there. You could probably take all cars off the road in CA and that nasty smog will still form because of other sources of pollution. Some guy firing up his back yard barbecue pollutes the air more than some buy driving his Accord for hundreds of miles.
J
It is assumed that a US version of that engine will be available in the 09 Accord and probably the 09 CRV.
The V6 won't eat a Mustang's lunch at the drag strip, and the 4-cylinder won't take ages just to hit merging speed. There is a noticeable difference in how they accelerate past 60 MPH. In town though, I couldn't tell much difference between the two since there wasn't an opportunity that ever arose that asked for more than the 4-cylinder offers.
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legit? cuz if it is i kinda like it.
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I have driven both sedans and have seen no perceptible difference in stiffness of ride. The 4 cylinder however was a more nimble handler with the reduced front end weight. The coupe especially with the V6 6 speed manual may very well have a stiffer suspension, and I have never driven either of the coupes.
it doesn't mean that they are actually stiffer, the v6 rides on 17's and could need different components just based upon that!
J
The V6 6speed does have a stiffer suspension. The suspension on the V6 auto is not that stiff, but it is probably stiffer than the I4. There are some Sport suspension struts Honda sells for the V6 that are slightly stiffer than the V6 6speed. The Sport suspension will also lower the car slightly. If you want handling at the expense of ride quality, the Sport suspension would be the ticket.
the v6 rides on 17's and could need different components just based upon that!
The wheels have nothing to do with the suspension. They are all interchangable. You could put the 17" wheels on the I4 or the 16" wheels on the V6 if you wanted to.
since diesels notoriously in the past have been quite noisy,
The new diesels are not going to be noisy like diesels in the past were. What you may have to pay extra for with the diesel, is the technology needed to meet emissions standards. Honda, no doubt, spent a lot of $$$ developing these new diesels. Some of that cost will show up on the sticker price, I'm sure.
Thanks for the good detective work
no one cried 'honda factory performance' when they tested the civic against the 3, which would have no doubt helped its handling numbers greatly, but they don't come standard and there is a charge for them, but until you have proof of this, or leave out the fact that the v6 is 'available' with a sportier suspension through honda, it does not count. They could probably fit that same suspension on the i4 models!
All of the upcharge will be for the extra complexity and cost of the diesel drivetrain.
If MB can get away with charging just $750 extra for an E320CDI vs. the E320/E350, Honda should be able to do the same. Of course that $750 MSRP diff will turn into $1500 or more in real street price diff cause there won't be any discounts on the diesel for some time.
Have you read any article or comparison where the reviewer said the I4 Accord handled better than the V6 (with the STANDARD suspension)? I haven't. Feeling nimble and lighter, does not mean handles better. The V6 Fusion "feels" more nimble too, but the V6 Accord had a faster time.
Of course the 4 has more potential since it does not have a stiffer suspension yet. BTW there is no free ride, so what is the downside of a stiffer suspension.
I would say there is no real difference in the handling and ride between the I4 and V6 models. They are both designed to be a good balance of ride and handling. The suspensions work equally well on each. People just assume that the I4 handles better because it is a little lighter. Every thing I have read on the V6 models handling has been very positive.