we know color combos already?? are these posted somewhere?
that's always been a sticking point with me and hondas. i wanted a black on black 6-speed sedan. Nope. Can only get the coupe like that. HUH?? Then my 2nd choice didn't exist either ... can't remember what that was. Same thing happened with my wife's Pilot. She wanted the Havasu blue over tan. Nope. Only came with grey interior.
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The 2008 Basque red Accord only comes with the ivory interior. I agree it would be nice with a black interior. I just hope the 2008 EX ivory interiors don't have the awful fake looking wood they have had from 2003-2007.
Do you have a reference for this? I find it hard to believe they would ONLY have a white interior and no black available. Usually they have both available unless it's a special edition.
You are making my point by describing the differences and features of the Accord and the Passat. The Passat is in the level half a step above the Accord/Camry/Altima more on par with Maxima/Avalon or even the Acura TSX and half a step below the Infiniti 35, 3 series BMW, Audi 4, and Acura TL.
Honda dealers already have the 2008 Accord color options. By the way the 2003-2007 red Honda Accords only had ivory interiors. Now for the good news and I do stand corrected - I was looking at the color options for the sedan instead of the coupe. The basque red is for the sedan only; the coupe is San Marino red and will be available with either ivory or black. Other coupe color options are Belize blue with ivory or black,polished metal metalic with ivory or black, alabaster silver with black,and Taffeta white with ivory. I think it would be nice if the white coupe was available with a black interior as well
The 2008 Accord LX, LX-P, EX, and EX-L sedans with a 4 cylinder engine will have 5MT available. The V-6 sedans will not have a 6MT option. The 4 cylinder sedans are getting a significant HP boost, supposedly 180 on the LX series and 200 on the EX series. All 2008 Accords are said to run on regular fuel.
I believe that the manual will be unavailable in the V6 sedan only. The I4 sedan will have a manual.
Unless that 4 cyl is a diesel I probably won't buy it. I like manuals and won't own an automatic ever again. I really need 4 doors AND a V6 manual. But I will have to wait until 2009 to get a diesel. I might get a Fit for the interim. It has good resale value and my wife can drive it. I drive too much highway to use a Fit on a daily basis. I'll probably drive the 4 banger but I know 4 bangers don't usually last as long as 6 cyl's Yes I know everyone will jump on that statement but it's my opinion and I'm sticking with it. Lots of great 4 bangers out there but unless they are diesels. I'd rater have a 6 which loafs at 75mph on the highway. The Fit and I've already owned a Jazz strains at high speeds. So your economy in the Fit comes from short shifting it like a diesel at 3,000rpm. Not much fun in that.
My 1983 Accord was one of the last Japanese made accords. The Ohio plant started manufacturing for that model year. I'm an old guy. Been driving Hondas and Acuras since 81 and will continue.
The 2008 Accord LX, LX-P, EX, and EX-L sedans with a 4 cylinder engine will have 5MT available. The V-6 sedans will not have a 6MT option. The 4 cylinder sedans are getting a significant HP boost, supposedly 180 on the LX series and 200 on the EX series. All 2008 Accords are said to run on regular fuel.
That is why I am rethinking the WRX because it's premium fuel and yes high performance but no LSD and 2 pot brakes and for $25K it should have those plus it runs only on premium and I drive a lot and unfortunately it's a ton of highway miles. No sweat to put 50K miles in 2 years. So comfortable drive for hours at a time seats are a must. But fuel economy and regular gas a re a plus but diesel is ideal for me. Too bad the VW's are so unreliable.
Honda dealers already have the 2008 Accord color options. By the way the 2003-2007 red Honda Accords only had ivory interiors. Now for the good news and I do stand corrected - I was looking at the color options for the sedan instead of the coupe. The basque red is for the sedan only; the coupe is San Marino red and will be available with either ivory or black. Other coupe color options are Belize blue with ivory or black,polished metal metallic with ivory or black, alabaster silver with black,and Taffeta white with ivory. I think it would be nice if the white coupe was available with a black interior as well
That sounds a bit better. I will still have to see in person and drive the car but I'm a big fan of 4 doors and wagons/hatchbacks but I know not to expect those from Honda. The wagon version that is the Fit is a great little city car it was a blast driving my jazz in the city even with the 1.3L engine but The Accord should have black or Ivory interiors for all their models. Ivory is just too darn hard to keep clean and black while hotter in the summer is not a problem for me. I think the san Marino Red with a Black interior on the sedan would improve it's looks a lot but as you said won't be available. Ivory interiors look good on the darker metallic blue colors. BMW has a real nice dark blue metallic and would look sharp with an Ivory interior. I wouldn't buy it because it'd get dirty but it'd look sharp. Thanks for the update.
Steve, although the majority of Accords are made in North America now, you can still buy a Japanese-manufactured Accord. My local dealer had two 2007 Accord SE's on the lot recently which were built at the Japanese plant. They are available, but only occasionally.
but I know 4 bangers don't usually last as long as 6 cyl's Yes I know everyone will jump on that statement but it's my opinion and I'm sticking with it.
Allow me to jump. You "know" the I4 doesn't last as long but then say it is your opinion???
I'll probably drive the 4 banger but I know 4 bangers don't usually last as long as 6 cyl's
As you said it is your opinion, but is it backed up by any facts? Maybe "I think" would have been better than "I know".
I have said before, and will repeat that the engine will be the last thing to wear out on your Honda (or other well made cars) - regardless of how many cylinders. My Integra has 230,000 miles, and the engine is still a gem - can't say that for the Interior (too many years with the kids fighting in there).
No reason a new engine can't go 300,000 miles or more. Even my 1980 Scirocco went 170,000 miles before I sold it. Long gone are the days when 100,000 miles was an accomplishment. Today 200,000 is a breeze.
Also if the 4 really has 200 hp it should be under 7 seconds to 60 with the stick - that is moving.
I think at least a test drive of the new I4 stick is in order.
They are easy to spot but the Japan built Accords are hard to find -I understand they are more of them on the West Coast. The VIN number on the Japanese Accords start with a J instead of an I.
I am not sure what the LX-P sedan is. The coupe is LX and LX-S. I don't know what the S stands for either but I would guess sport(??).I guess we will know in a month or 2.
the last consumer reports i read rated the v6 and 2.0t in the passat, jetta, and gti as fine. it even reccomends the passat.
7.7 vs 8.1 true, but the passat has more weight to lug around. respectable to me. plus the abundant torque makes passing fun. Both 4 cyl's are great, i just prefer the passats.
My GF preferred her Jetta until about 70K miles. About 30K miles later, and three "major" visits to the dealership (and the check engine light is "on" again and has been for 2K miles), she has started to look into Hondas.
I drive that car regularly (1.8T) and that engine sucks. It feels abrupt and crude. Don't tell me that is "normal" experience. Then we will have to include another friend of mine who drives a new-ish Beetle...
So, while 2.0T or whatever VW has to throw at might sound enticing to many, quite a few seem to learn their lesson over time. I have a feeling, these things don't really show up on CR in first couple of years. But then, they wouldn't bother me much either while I have warranty. It is the "after life" I would be worried about.
hi, you seems to have got good deal, since i am getting accord EX for 21.4 and you got EX-L for less. how much you bargained, what price they offered you in initial part.
They just assume that because a 4 cylinder revs more, it will reach it's maximum number of revolutions years before the V6 will because they assume that the V6 and 4 cylinder will both wear out after the same number of revolutions.
Well part of it was that I used a warehouse club membership. Given the $1300 discount I got the car would have gone for $22700 if I didn't have the club deal and hadn't negotiated. The lowest non-exclusive price I was quoted by a dealer was $22000.
I don't this generation ever had a true red sedan; maroon is close. I was referring to the red 2003-2007 coupes, since the poster was interested in a 2008 coupe.
I went to the CADE auction last week.....Saw a 2003 Civic going through...CADE= Calif Auto Dealer Exchange.....Anyway the 03 civic didnt have a scratch on it practically.looked new...Had 273,000 miles on it in just 4 yrs....So they easily last.
I'm not an engineer and I have no idea whether an Accord I4 has advantages over a V6 in terms of long engine life. However, for what it's worth, I recall a conversation I overheard once between two men in the bus industry talking about how long engines would last. One of them remarked on the inherent balance of any inline engine compared with a V design, be it V6, V8, or whatever. The implication being that an inline engine had mechanical advantages over any V design that would serve it well in the long run. And of course, when bus people talk about long engine life, they're talking really long -- in the hundreds of thousands of miles. But then, that's diesel, and maybe the same idea wouldn't apply to gasoline engines. Maybe someone with an engineering background could comment on this.
There was also a comment about I4 engines working harder at highway speed. That's true in many cases, the Fit being an excellent example, along with the Mazda3 and others. However, my '04 I4 Accord turns about 2400 at 75 mph, which is very relaxed compared with many I4s that are up in the 3000 rpm range at those speeds. That's a great virtue of this particular Accord I4, in my opinion. I can drive it all day and not feel like I'm straining it. It's more like a V6 in that regard.
i'm not talking about 1.8 turbo mkIV's. I"m talking about the mkV's which are TOTALLY different and have proven they are much more reliable than the mkIV's. UP to honda standards? probably not. having said that, it is interesting to note that my 06 civic had more bugs than my 07 rabbit did. But in honda's defense, i got mine in october, right after they came out, whereas the vw had already been around in 06.
your GF's MkIV reliability woes have NOTHING to do with MKV reliability (which you obviously have NO experience with.)
and just to keep it on topic, the new accord is fantastic.
There was also a comment about I4 engines working harder at highway speed. That's true in many cases, the Fit being an excellent example, along with the Mazda3 and others
probably gearing more than anything else. my rabbit (while its a five cylinder) turns about 1800 rpms at 75mpg.
Of course. 1.8T used to be "reliable and excellent"... until the reality set in. Now it is 2.0T... perhaps these claims are for those who want to forget the past that wasn't too long ago either and move on to the next.
Longevity of anything, not just engines, depends on engineering and tolerance that is built in. Just because two engines are I-4 don't make them identically reliable.
An engine like F20C in original S2000 isn't designed with the same parameters in mind as the K24 in Accord. Revability brings challenges, but they are already addressed. Speaking of revs, cruising rpm depends largely on gearing. Civic 1.8/I-4 with auto actually revs lower than some applications of Honda V6.
As far as longetivity of engines goes, a diesel engine designed for locomotive, bus or a semi isn't going to use the same parameters as those for a car. Sometimes those engines could weigh as much as a car itself, or at least several times heavier than a car engine would weigh.
That said, I'm not sure why anybody would even claim that I-4 don't last as long as V6.
The 2007 sedans have a pretty blatant "RED" color that wasn't offered previously (it was added for 07 along with the periwinkle blue color). The others have always been maroon, like my '96 Accord (as seen in my carspace).
That said, I'm not sure why anybody would even claim that I-4 don't last as long as V6.
I believe you are right. I have always understood that lighter cars with smaller engines tend to last longer.
The real fact of the matter is that it is not the engine that is gong to cause a car to run into trouble these days. Far more likely to be transmission (for all you poor souls without manuals ), electrics or the interior getting past it's prime.
yesterday i drove my '02AT I4 accord 425 highway miles. plenty of response in passing anywhere between 60 and 80 and up :surprise:
these are set up really well. in a few situations, i dropped into D3 for a tad more response at 55 when getting out of a box.
besides gearing, i think tire diameter would play a part.
FWIW: recently rented an chevy aveo ls and the thing had teeny tiny tires on it. it did not shift well in my opinion going uphill. one other thing was bothersome compared to my accord... i'm not sure if it's related to electronic steering (which I think the aveo has), or aerodynamics of the vehicle, or tread pattern of the tires on the thing, but it moved around a bit on the highway.
my accord is so rock solid, i can steer it with two fingers from my left hand at the 9:00 position on the wheel as i rest my arm on the door.
the driving dynamics of the hondas (other car is an odyssey) continue to keep me a loyal owner.
I said sometime ago that I would withhold judgment on the new accord until seeing it unmasked. The new spy shots still don't show enough detail, but from what we see now, I think it looks like it's going to be another perfect accord. Perfect because it is going to serve its target customer in the exact way that target customer demands and has always demanded. I own a 2006 accord. Is it my favorite car? Of course not. Would I love to upgrade to something with more luxury? Absolutely. But right now we don't have the money to do that, so we have the accord and I'm perfectly pleased with the compromise. It has a very smooth ride, nice acceleration for a 4-cylinder, plenty of power for the basic local and highway driving we need it for, etc., etc. It does exactly what we need it to do right now, and does so with virtually no fuss. I bet this new one accomplishes the same goal, and that's why another 300K-400K people are going to pony up for it. I might be one of them.
I think the engine longevity factor may be enhanced by an inline configuration vs.a V configuration. I would be interested to hear more comments . Thanks.
I think there are well designed engines, and not-so well designed engines. These engines come in all sizes 4,5,6,8 cylinder, and larger. Many times it's not the engine itself, but the parts attached to it, that are unreliable. When CR says the V8 models have lower reliability (which they normally do), they don't necessarily mean the engine itself, but the parts connected to it.
I don't remember saying anything about expiring. :confuse: I also said that the engine itself, is not usually the unreliable part. Fuel system, electrical, EGR, cooling system, and others are usually the culprit when something goes wrong.
All this being said, would there be any reason to suspect the '09 Accord diesel, if driven under the exact same parameters as a I4 or V6 Accord, would last longer? Why?
The blocks on diesels are more heavily made because the compression is from 16 to 20 to 1 compared to a gasser's 10 to 1. They also develop max torque from 1600 to 2200 rpms, depending on the model, so they aren't revved as much. I'm no expert but I think I once read that inline engines are more inherently "balanced" than v's. Just my .02.
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that's always been a sticking point with me and hondas. i wanted a black on black 6-speed sedan. Nope. Can only get the coupe like that. HUH?? Then my 2nd choice didn't exist either ... can't remember what that was. Same thing happened with my wife's Pilot. She wanted the Havasu blue over tan. Nope. Only came with grey interior.
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Do you have a reference for this? I find it hard to believe they would ONLY have a white interior and no black available. Usually they have both available unless it's a special edition.
I believe that the manual will be unavailable in the V6 sedan only. The I4 sedan will have a manual.
Unless that 4 cyl is a diesel I probably won't buy it. I like manuals and won't own an automatic ever again.
I really need 4 doors AND a V6 manual. But I will have to wait until 2009 to get a diesel. I might get a Fit for the interim. It has good resale value and my wife can drive it. I drive too much highway to use a Fit on a daily basis.
I'll probably drive the 4 banger but I know 4 bangers don't usually last as long as 6 cyl's Yes I know everyone will jump on that statement but it's my opinion and I'm sticking with it. Lots of great 4 bangers out there but unless they are diesels. I'd rater have a 6 which loafs at 75mph on the highway. The Fit and I've already owned a Jazz strains at high speeds. So your economy in the Fit comes from short shifting it like a diesel at 3,000rpm. Not much fun in that.
I'm an old guy. Been driving Hondas and Acuras since 81 and will continue.
That is why I am rethinking the WRX because it's premium fuel and yes high performance but no LSD and 2 pot brakes and for $25K it should have those plus it runs only on premium and I drive a lot and unfortunately it's a ton of highway miles. No sweat to put 50K miles in 2 years.
So comfortable drive for hours at a time seats are a must. But fuel economy and regular gas a re a plus but diesel is ideal for me. Too bad the VW's are so unreliable.
That sounds a bit better. I will still have to see in person and drive the car but I'm a big fan of 4 doors and wagons/hatchbacks but I know not to expect those from Honda. The wagon version that is the Fit is a great little city car it was a blast driving my jazz in the city even with the 1.3L engine but The Accord should have black or Ivory interiors for all their models. Ivory is just too darn hard to keep clean and black while hotter in the summer is not a problem for me. I think the san Marino Red with a Black interior on the sedan would improve it's looks a lot but as you said won't be available. Ivory interiors look good on the darker metallic blue colors. BMW has a real nice dark blue metallic and would look sharp with an Ivory interior. I wouldn't buy it because it'd get dirty but it'd look sharp.
Thanks for the update.
Just because they started making Accords in Ohio doesn't mean you couldn't get one made in Japan. My 95 was made in Japan and my 06 was made in Ohio.
Allow me to jump. You "know" the I4 doesn't last as long but then say it is your opinion???
My "opinion" is different than yours.
I'll probably drive the 4 banger but I know 4 bangers don't usually last as long as 6 cyl's
As you said it is your opinion, but is it backed up by any facts?
I have said before, and will repeat that the engine will be the last thing to wear out on your Honda (or other well made cars) - regardless of how many cylinders. My Integra has 230,000 miles, and the engine is still a gem - can't say that for the Interior (too many years with the kids fighting in there).
No reason a new engine can't go 300,000 miles or more. Even my 1980 Scirocco went 170,000 miles before I sold it. Long gone are the days when 100,000 miles was an accomplishment. Today 200,000 is a breeze.
Also if the 4 really has 200 hp it should be under 7 seconds to 60 with the stick - that is moving.
I think at least a test drive of the new I4 stick is in order.
7.7 vs 8.1 true, but the passat has more weight to lug around. respectable to me. plus the abundant torque makes passing fun. Both 4 cyl's are great, i just prefer the passats.
I drive that car regularly (1.8T) and that engine sucks. It feels abrupt and crude. Don't tell me that is "normal" experience. Then we will have to include another friend of mine who drives a new-ish Beetle...
So, while 2.0T or whatever VW has to throw at might sound enticing to many, quite a few seem to learn their lesson over time. I have a feeling, these things don't really show up on CR in first couple of years. But then, they wouldn't bother me much either while I have warranty. It is the "after life" I would be worried about.
Nope. The maroon/red color I looked at (2003-2006 anyway) had a grey interior; not ivory.
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There was also a comment about I4 engines working harder at highway speed. That's true in many cases, the Fit being an excellent example, along with the Mazda3 and others. However, my '04 I4 Accord turns about 2400 at 75 mph, which is very relaxed compared with many I4s that are up in the 3000 rpm range at those speeds. That's a great virtue of this particular Accord I4, in my opinion. I can drive it all day and not feel like I'm straining it. It's more like a V6 in that regard.
i'm not talking about 1.8 turbo mkIV's. I"m talking about the mkV's which are TOTALLY different and have proven they are much more reliable than the mkIV's. UP to honda standards? probably not. having said that, it is interesting to note that my 06 civic had more bugs than my 07 rabbit did. But in honda's defense, i got mine in october, right after they came out, whereas the vw had already been around in 06.
your GF's MkIV reliability woes have NOTHING to do with MKV reliability (which you obviously have NO experience with.)
and just to keep it on topic, the new accord is fantastic.
probably gearing more than anything else. my rabbit (while its a five cylinder) turns about 1800 rpms at 75mpg.
This seems to be an Accord thread, however.
An engine like F20C in original S2000 isn't designed with the same parameters in mind as the K24 in Accord. Revability brings challenges, but they are already addressed. Speaking of revs, cruising rpm depends largely on gearing. Civic 1.8/I-4 with auto actually revs lower than some applications of Honda V6.
As far as longetivity of engines goes, a diesel engine designed for locomotive, bus or a semi isn't going to use the same parameters as those for a car. Sometimes those engines could weigh as much as a car itself, or at least several times heavier than a car engine would weigh.
That said, I'm not sure why anybody would even claim that I-4 don't last as long as V6.
Psst - Ohio production is supplemented typically by Japan but Honda has made some in Mexico for the US market in the past.
The 2007 sedans have a pretty blatant "RED" color that wasn't offered previously (it was added for 07 along with the periwinkle blue color). The others have always been maroon, like my '96 Accord (as seen in my carspace).
I believe you are right.
I have always understood that lighter cars with smaller engines tend to last longer.
The real fact of the matter is that it is not the engine that is gong to cause a car to run into trouble these days. Far more likely to be transmission (for all you poor souls without manuals
these are set up really well. in a few situations, i dropped into D3 for a tad more response at 55 when getting out of a box.
besides gearing, i think tire diameter would play a part.
FWIW: recently rented an chevy aveo ls and the thing had teeny tiny tires on it. it did not shift well in my opinion going uphill. one other thing was bothersome compared to my accord... i'm not sure if it's related to electronic steering (which I think the aveo has), or aerodynamics of the vehicle, or tread pattern of the tires on the thing, but it moved around a bit on the highway.
my accord is so rock solid, i can steer it with two fingers from my left hand at the 9:00 position on the wheel as i rest my arm on the door.
the driving dynamics of the hondas (other car is an odyssey) continue to keep me a loyal owner.
When is the last time you've experienced an engine expiring?
To my way of thinking, it just doesn't happen.
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