I would appreciate you checking your sources. Seems odd that the Taurus and MKT have some options that aren't available on the MKS. I personally don't really care about those 3 items but it is curious that they aren't mentioned. BLIS is even an option on the 2010 MKZ. My order guide is dated April 1 so there could be more to come. Also, Allen, have you seen the new instrument cluster or any pics of it?
I did see the new instrument cluster but can't remember where. I think it was in one of the videos for the new parallel parking feature. I think it's similar to the Taurus/Flex gauges - much more upscale.
when I asked about why the pedals do not adjust, the answer I got was that since the steering wheel telescopes, you don't really need the pedals to move. It made sense to me at the time. Is the adjustable steering wheel tied into the driver position memory features as are the seat and side rearview mirror?
Yes, the power tilt/telescope wheel memory is tied to the seat and mirrors. For my tastes, the wheel does not move quite close enough when I have the seat adjusted for sufficient leg room.
Here is a link to the 2010 MKS mini-site. It would be nice if the new collision warning would stop the vehicle if needed. Perhaps if it works in conjunction with the adaptive cruise control?
I saw the end of a Volvo commercial yesterday which showed the car automatically braking when it was approaching a stationary object. With adaptive cruise control, and the ability of a car to "read" the lines on the highway (I saw a piece on one of the Discovery type channels), it appears we are getting closer to having a car that will drive itself--just hook everything into a navigation device, then just open a book, watch a dvd or take a nap and the car will let you know when you've arrived.
I saw the end of a Volvo commercial yesterday which showed the car automatically braking when it was approaching a stationary object. With adaptive cruise control, and the ability of a car to "read" the lines on the highway (I saw a piece on one of the Discovery type channels), .
Volvo is using a technology called "city-safe" or something like that. The radar from the adaptive cruise control tracks targets, but that is primarily for the ACC and stop and go functions. The tracking for in the city is based off high mounted radar, I believe, behind the rear-view mirror. Depending on vehicle speed, it uses data to minimize or avoid a crash by braking.
Lane departure warning is in a few cars currently, it uses a camera (usually mounted behind the mirror) to monitor the lane markings on the road. Based on those lane markings (and if the car's turn signals are on or not) it will warn the driver if the car gets too close or crosses the markings. The next step is to actually steer the car back in the lane.
it appears we are getting closer to having a car that will drive itself--just hook everything into a navigation device, then just open a book, watch a dvd or take a nap and the car will let you know when you've arrived
Alas, we already have those, they are called trains. That aside, there are sensors that disable the systems if it senses there are no hands on the steering wheel. It also tracks how much weaving the driver is doing and suggests taking a break if necessary.
We just bought a 2009 MKS. We're confused about how the keyless entry works. We have had keyless entry for years, on Town Cars, Mountaineer, etc. Our salesman kept talking about "second generation keyless entry" and how you can no longer leave the keys in the car, when locking and leaving the vehicle, because if the key is in the car, anyone can walk up to it and get in the car. Makes no sense to me. Can you explain how the keyless entry works and why you would no longer leave the key in the car?
Can you explain how the keyless entry works and why you would no longer leave the key in the car?
Can you explain why you didn't read the owner's manual? They print them and put them in the glovebox for a reason.
If you use the keyless entry pad to lock the car with the keyfob inside - it will lock the car and disable the fob until you unlock the car with the keypad.
When you lock your vehicle using the driver or passenger power door lock control (with the door open), after you close the door the vehicle will search for a Intelligent Access Key in the passenger compartment. If a Intelligent Access Key is found inside the vehicle, all of the doors will immediately unlock and the horn will chirp, indicating that the Intelligent Access Key is inside. In order to override the smart unlock feature and intentionally lock the Intelligent Access Key inside the vehicle, you can lock your vehicle using your keyless entry keypad or using the control on another Intelligent Access Key. Refer to Keyless entry system in this chapter for more information on keyless entry keypad operation.
Would you expect a car salesman to know how his/her product functions?
Oh, my, ackirby....you would be so embarrassed if you understood what this kind of reply says about you: Can you explain why you didn't read the owner's manual? They print them and put them in the glovebox for a reason.
Of course, I could explain why I didn't read the owner's manual (yet). However, you would not understand my explanation. I often am amused by the fact that people like you monitor forums like this. Why would you even attempt to answer my question if you can't tolerate the asking of that question.
I am so sorry to have taken some of your time. How sad.
I know exactly what it says about me - I don't like to waste other people's time (and my own) asking questions that I could easily look up myself, and I don't like other people doing the same thing to me or others.
If you notice, I did answer your question. And if you have access to a computer (which you obviously did since you're posting here) you could have looked up the manual online (like Brucelinc did):
One of my local dealers just sent me an email indicating the order bank is open and that they can take my order for a 2010 MKS. They also have pricing information. They are indicating a late July or early August delivery.
I want the MKS Ecoboost with Ultimate package and the interior wood trim package. The MSRP is $52,870 according to the dealer. The 2009 MKS AWD with Ultimate and wood trim stickers for $48,320. Pretty significant difference for the twin turbo - but I wouldn't want an MKS without it. In the email, he indicated they would knock $3000 off MSRP. I am going to go visit with them in the next day or so and also check with a couple of other dealers. I need to see what invoice is and go from there.
If anyone else is ordering a 2010 MKS, please let us know about your experience.
Why not wait awhile? Chrysler will probably file for Ch11 with GM following soon after. The parts suppliers are going to see a downturn for parts demand. This will have a negative impact on Ford especially if some of the suppliers go into CH 11. Ford wants to offer the suppliers loans to continue supplying parts to Ford. I don't understand how Ford will be able to do so and still meet its financial obligations even with concessions from the UAW and reducing debt and interest on its debt. And that's even with a sale of Volvo if Ford could find a buyer. At least a buyer that would keep Volvo fwd as Ford prefers to share Volvo's tech for its domestic products. BMW and Mercedes have plans to return Volvo to rwd if either purchases Volvo. So why not wait until September or October to order? The discounts off list will probably be larger if for the only reason is to move product to create demand for parts to replenish inventory of cars. The only method that allows at least some suppliers to pay back their creditors without filing for CH11. Right now you could probably get at least a 4000 dollar discount on the 09 car. Also the price of the MKZ for 10 is higher because Ford made more items standard. The MKS will see a price increase for 10 also for the same reason.
Thanks for the input. After chatting with a couple of dealers, I am getting prices of invoice plus $500 from one and invoice minus $350 from the other on a 2010 order. For me, it is not all about price. though. Dealer location, attitude/knowledge of the sales manager, and their willingness to follow up is important to me.
It is likely that waiting until fall or early winter could result in some savings but it is worth several bucks to me to have the car sooner rather than later. Besides, I will be selling my LS and I would prefer to do that during the summer. I will make a decision within the next few days.
just curious, the MKS is so much more expensive than the Genesis with a V8, why buy MKS? note: I'm not trashing the MKS, just looking for MKS owners' opinions. thanks.
I see where alot of Lincoln Mercury Ford owners have questions regarding the keyless entry keypad. As a professional sales consultant for a Lincoln Mercury dealer in Louisiana, let me clarify something. On the MKS, you can certainly lock this inside of the vehicle. Please do so on the outside of the vehicle on the keypad by depressing the last two buttons (7-8, 9-0) simultaneously. You may also lock your keys in the ignition (although not recommended) by doing the very same thing. If you attempt to do so by depressing the door lock on the interior panel, they will simply unlock so that you don't mistakenly lock the keys/transponder in the vehicle.
Thanks for asking and I will be glad to assist you. As a Lincoln Mercury professional sales associate I can offer you the following assistance. 1) If you wish to program your own personal 5 digit code, please use the manufacturer's pre-assigned code first and stand at least 5 feet away from the vehicle. You can find instructions in the owner's manual. 2) If you wish to lock your transponder (remote) inside your vehicle, you must do so from the outside of the vehicle via the keyless entry panel. Do not attempt to lock the vehicle with the lock on the driver door panel as it will simply unlock. Just depress the 7-8 & 9-0 buttons simultaneously. 3) Once the transponder is properly locked inside the MKS, no one can gain access unless they know your 5 digit code. They are not able to unlock the vehicle. Hope this addresses your concerns.
This is the finest leather imported from Bridges of Weir in Scotland. This is much the same leather used in European imports. You can visit their site at BridgesofWeir.com. It's fascinating to see the entire process. Most of my clients opt for the Cashmere interior and use miled soap and water to clean. You might want to use leather conditioner, but do not use Armor-All or anything like it. This is harmful to your interior.
I placed an order today for a 2010 MKS, twin turbo, ultimate package and wood door trim. I decided on red candy metallic with camel interior.
I am pretty comfortable with the arrangement. We agreed on a price and I gave them a $500 deposit. If the car arrives and I don't want it I can apply the $500 to anything else they sell or, of course, I can just lose the 5 bills if I don't buy a car from them.
While I was there, I drove a 2009 with the 20" wheels. It handled pretty good with nice quick responses but I would tire of the stiffness over our rotten Minneapolis potholes. It was fine on smooth freeways. I then drove one with the 18" wheels and it was much smoother and quieter. Mine will come with 19s but they have agreed to swap me 18s if I want to. I will make that decision when the car arrives.
Thanks. I have always liked the red/tan combination. I haven't actually seen the red candy live and and in living color but I think it should be pretty sharp. After 10 years of the dark charcoal interior in my LS, I am looking forward to the camel and olive ash wood, too.
One other thing I noted yesterday when I drove a couple of MKSs: One of them had 2800 miles on it. It was so much quicker than the other one with 20 miles on the odometer that it felt like it had 50 more HP. It even sounded better under hard acceleration. The base 3.7 is really no slouch when broken in. I think it would run head to head with the base Cadillac DTS with the 275 HP Northstar V8 - maybe even beat it.
Ameliap, please order your MKS as soon as possible. It would be comforting for me to know that I am not the only person in the country crazy enough to pay so much money for a slightly glorified Taurus.
No need brucline, I am already a part of that club. But I will say that I have both and even though there are simularities, there are enough differnces that I can say the MKS is a different vehicle. I will say the price jump is surprising.
Base FWD 3.7L V6 Auto 19 mpg $40,870 Base AWD 3.7L V6 Auto 19 mpg $42,760 EcoBoost AWD 3.5L V6 T Auto N/A $47,760
So if you load it up with all the goodies, You will be looking at between 50-58. Yeah I will have to think about that. I wonder for $5000 bucks can the ecoboost pay for itself in 2 years like they advertised last year. I tell you the 3.7 is good enough for me. I am sure in time it will get me a few tickets to put on the wall. :surprise:
So, the first initial reviews are in and basically what I expected. Anyone that thought that the Ecoboost model was going to be transformed into some sort of sport sedan was dreaming.
I really hope though that the appearance package is not going to show up like 3-4 months after the first arriving units. Seriously it is rather annoying when a company reveals a vehicle in press photos, auto shows, and now lending out to automotive reviewers...showing equipment on a car that's not going to be available from the SOP.
The engine and upgraded transmission add the extra bucks - and quite a few extra bucks at that. There is really nothing else on an ecoboost MKS that is not on the base AWD car. The technology package and paddle shifters are standard on all of them in 2010.
There is an optional ecoboost appearance package that is another $2000. It is a late availability item - side skirts, spoiler, metal interior trim and other juvenile nonsense that make the car look like something it isn't.
These reviews (regarding the powertrain) are pretty darn stellar! So far, that engine is living up to the hype.
I wanted a relatively high tech mid luxury car that would go when you put your foot down. I did NOT want a sports sedan with a stiff suspension or silly body kits. So far, I am tickled to death with the prospects of an ecoboost MKS filling the bill.
There will be some who will expect the MKS to be more sporty or more of a handler. Lincoln probably should offer the SHO suspension tuning as an option on the MKS. I wouldn't want it but it would be more in line with what the enthusiast press is looking for.
Datagen, as I recall, you were among the first to order a 2009 MKS about a year ago. I applaud you courage for that but it sounds like it turned out great for you.
I was kidding about the glorified Taurus comment....and trying to add a bit of fuel to the fire on this forum. We also have a 2008 Taurus so I am pretty familiar with the differences. The Taurus is an excellent car so using the platform for a starting point for the MKS is a good thing in my book.
I certainly do not expect the twin-turbo to pay for itself in gas savings. To be honest, I would have paid the extra $5,000 even if the fuel economy was worse than the base car. Having said that, I would not criticize anyone for buying the MKS with the standard 3.7. Once broken in, they run surprisingly well. According to the order guide, Linclon is expecting 65% of buyers to go for the 3.7 and 35% for the ecoboost.
I don't recall anyone saying that (or dreaming it). It's exactly what it was advertised to be. And the reviews so far say it (and the MKT) have exceeded expectations.
As usual, Allen, you nailed it. Anyone who thought the MKS with Ecoboost was going to be transformed into a BMW 5 series has not been paying attention to the vast amount of information available. The SHO with the track-pack might be very interesting, though.
But we're still talking about large, heavy, FWD based vehicles with poor F/R weight balance. I think the SHO and EB MKS are about as good as it gets for this type of platform, but it will never match a performance oriented 50/50 RWD platform. Nor does it need to.
Well, maybe not here they haven't. But its already been compared to a 5series in one review and has been discussed on several other forums. Which is dumb because the MKS even in EB form isn't a sport sedan. Even with the upgraded equipment in the Ecoboost model, I didn't think it was going to become some track oriented star. Which is fine, if you're looking for that there are other cars out there. I personally like the appearance package, it gets rid of some of the chrome on the car itself (wheels I don't mind).
The 2010 Taurus shares the very same platform as does the Flex as does the MKS as does the MKT. The Taurus SHO will base at about 35-36K. Too much for a Ford. One can say that it is a higher priced Ford.
... its too much money for a Ford! What the hell does that supposed to mean when you haven't even seen the car in person of taken it for a test drive! Do you always make decisions without all the information? Obvious few on this tread have any business sense and I sure wouldn't do business with any of you people that are soo short sighted!
COMPARE the SHO or MKS vs. their direct competition and you will see (if you can open your eyes) that they are true values, regardless if its a Ford or Lincoln (UNSURPASSED quality to Toyota and Honda). Don't even give the domestic car companys a chance, "its too much money", what horse crap excuse without all the facts... just shows how STUPID you are!
You will soon see that this EcoBoost technology gives Ford an EXCLUSIVE for a premium and higher residual value for these cars. Why don';t you all just go buy a Chrysler product for $5K-$10K off and watch your residual value sink to $0 in 2-3 years... that what you deserve!
No problem brucelinc. Yes the 3.7 has surprised me some as well. I was not expecting the fuel economy I am experiencing (19-21 city, 24-26 hwy) and that is AWD. The noisy sound from it when you floor it seems to have calmed down some and it seems to have changed to a sporty engine sound as well. I will admit after all this time; the car still excites me to drive. I pick up my 2010 MKZ next month. Now they should have the ecoboost as a standard engine in the MKZ. With less weight, then run the reviews. :shades:
I am not saying the SHO will out-sports sedan the 5 series. However, it will take the D3 platform up several notches in handling. You cannot overcome physics but Ford suspension engineers can do a pretty good job with tuning. Look what they have accomplished with the solid axle Mustang.
The SHO will be much closer to "sports-sedan" territory than the MKS. The suspension is pretty significantly tweaked for better handling. With the twin-turbo and the other improvements and technology that is part of the 2010 Taurus, I think the SHO is a good value starting at less than $40,000. I can't think of anything in that price range that offers as much for less money.
As appearance packages go, the MKS version is reasonably tasteful. I have not seen it in person but the pictures seem to indicate a strange gap along the rocker panel. The chrome from that area is gone but then they stuck a piece of chrome along the spoiler. The chrome MK and the red S doesn't do anything for me either. The interior loses the wood and goes with metal - to each his own.
The kicker is that the price for the appearance package is $2,995, according to the Lincoln site. Much of that must be for the chrome wheels but it seems a bit steep. The cars that were driven by the press at Ford's proving grounds had the appearance package but the order guide says delayed availability. It is not my cup of tea but it certainly beats gold trim and vinyl tops in the taste department.
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With adaptive cruise control, and the ability of a car to "read" the lines on the highway (I saw a piece on one of the Discovery type channels), it appears we are getting closer to having a car that will drive itself--just hook everything into a navigation device, then just open a book, watch a dvd or take a nap and the car will let you know when you've arrived.
With adaptive cruise control, and the ability of a car to "read" the lines on the highway (I saw a piece on one of the Discovery type channels), .
Volvo is using a technology called "city-safe" or something like that. The radar from the adaptive cruise control tracks targets, but that is primarily for the ACC and stop and go functions. The tracking for in the city is based off high mounted radar, I believe, behind the rear-view mirror. Depending on vehicle speed, it uses data to minimize or avoid a crash by braking.
Lane departure warning is in a few cars currently, it uses a camera (usually mounted behind the mirror) to monitor the lane markings on the road. Based on those lane markings (and if the car's turn signals are on or not) it will warn the driver if the car gets too close or crosses the markings. The next step is to actually steer the car back in the lane.
it appears we are getting closer to having a car that will drive itself--just hook everything into a navigation device, then just open a book, watch a dvd or take a nap and the car will let you know when you've arrived
Alas, we already have those, they are called trains. That aside, there are sensors that disable the systems if it senses there are no hands on the steering wheel. It also tracks how much weaving the driver is doing and suggests taking a break if necessary.
Can you explain why you didn't read the owner's manual? They print them and put them in the glovebox for a reason.
If you use the keyless entry pad to lock the car with the keyfob inside - it will lock the car and disable the fob until you unlock the car with the keypad.
No. It's separate from the Sync module.
When you lock your vehicle using the driver or passenger power door
lock control (with the door open), after you close the door the vehicle
will search for a Intelligent Access Key in the passenger compartment. If
a Intelligent Access Key is found inside the vehicle, all of the doors will
immediately unlock and the horn will chirp, indicating that the Intelligent
Access Key is inside.
In order to override the smart unlock feature and intentionally lock the
Intelligent Access Key inside the vehicle, you can lock your vehicle using
your keyless entry keypad or using the control on another Intelligent
Access Key. Refer to Keyless entry system in this chapter for more
information on keyless entry keypad operation.
Would you expect a car salesman to know how his/her product functions?
No more than I expect car buyers to actually read the owner's manual.
I'm going to start hiding cash in mine because it's the last place anyone would ever look.
Can you explain why you didn't read the owner's manual? They print them and put them in the glovebox for a reason.
Of course, I could explain why I didn't read the owner's manual (yet). However, you would not understand my explanation. I often am amused by the fact that people like you monitor forums like this. Why would you even attempt to answer my question if you can't tolerate the asking of that question.
I am so sorry to have taken some of your time. How sad.
If you notice, I did answer your question. And if you have access to a computer (which you obviously did since you're posting here) you could have looked up the manual online (like Brucelinc did):
https://www.fleet.ford.com/maintenance/owners_manuals/default.asp
Sorry if you're offended, but this is obviously a major pet peeve of mine.
How about referring to brakes as breaks? :P
But then you already knew that........
I want the MKS Ecoboost with Ultimate package and the interior wood trim package. The MSRP is $52,870 according to the dealer. The 2009 MKS AWD with Ultimate and wood trim stickers for $48,320. Pretty significant difference for the twin turbo - but I wouldn't want an MKS without it. In the email, he indicated they would knock $3000 off MSRP. I am going to go visit with them in the next day or so and also check with a couple of other dealers. I need to see what invoice is and go from there.
If anyone else is ordering a 2010 MKS, please let us know about your experience.
It is likely that waiting until fall or early winter could result in some savings but it is worth several bucks to me to have the car sooner rather than later. Besides, I will be selling my LS and I would prefer to do that during the summer. I will make a decision within the next few days.
note: I'm not trashing the MKS, just looking for MKS owners' opinions. thanks.
I am pretty comfortable with the arrangement. We agreed on a price and I gave them a $500 deposit. If the car arrives and I don't want it I can apply the $500 to anything else they sell or, of course, I can just lose the 5 bills if I don't buy a car from them.
While I was there, I drove a 2009 with the 20" wheels. It handled pretty good with nice quick responses but I would tire of the stiffness over our rotten Minneapolis potholes. It was fine on smooth freeways. I then drove one with the 18" wheels and it was much smoother and quieter. Mine will come with 19s but they have agreed to swap me 18s if I want to. I will make that decision when the car arrives.
The wait begins......
One other thing I noted yesterday when I drove a couple of MKSs: One of them had 2800 miles on it. It was so much quicker than the other one with 20 miles on the odometer that it felt like it had 50 more HP. It even sounded better under hard acceleration. The base 3.7 is really no slouch when broken in. I think it would run head to head with the base Cadillac DTS with the 275 HP Northstar V8 - maybe even beat it.
Base FWD 3.7L V6 Auto 19 mpg $40,870
Base AWD 3.7L V6 Auto 19 mpg $42,760
EcoBoost AWD 3.5L V6 T Auto N/A $47,760
So if you load it up with all the goodies, You will be looking at between 50-58. Yeah I will have to think about that. I wonder for $5000 bucks can the ecoboost pay for itself in 2 years like they advertised last year. I tell you the 3.7 is good enough for me. I am sure in time it will get me a few tickets to put on the wall. :surprise:
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/05/15/first-drive-2010-lincoln-mkt-ecoboost-and-mks- -ecoboost/
I really hope though that the appearance package is not going to show up like 3-4 months after the first arriving units. Seriously it is rather annoying when a company reveals a vehicle in press photos, auto shows, and now lending out to automotive reviewers...showing equipment on a car that's not going to be available from the SOP.
There is an optional ecoboost appearance package that is another $2000. It is a late availability item - side skirts, spoiler, metal interior trim and other juvenile nonsense that make the car look like something it isn't.
I wanted a relatively high tech mid luxury car that would go when you put your foot down. I did NOT want a sports sedan with a stiff suspension or silly body kits. So far, I am tickled to death with the prospects of an ecoboost MKS filling the bill.
There will be some who will expect the MKS to be more sporty or more of a handler. Lincoln probably should offer the SHO suspension tuning as an option on the MKS. I wouldn't want it but it would be more in line with what the enthusiast press is looking for.
I was kidding about the glorified Taurus comment....and trying to add a bit of fuel to the fire on this forum. We also have a 2008 Taurus so I am pretty familiar with the differences. The Taurus is an excellent car so using the platform for a starting point for the MKS is a good thing in my book.
I certainly do not expect the twin-turbo to pay for itself in gas savings. To be honest, I would have paid the extra $5,000 even if the fuel economy was worse than the base car. Having said that, I would not criticize anyone for buying the MKS with the standard 3.7. Once broken in, they run surprisingly well. According to the order guide, Linclon is expecting 65% of buyers to go for the 3.7 and 35% for the ecoboost.
COMPARE the SHO or MKS vs. their direct competition and you will see (if you can open your eyes) that they are true values, regardless if its a Ford or Lincoln (UNSURPASSED quality to Toyota and Honda). Don't even give the domestic car companys a chance, "its too much money", what horse crap excuse without all the facts... just shows how STUPID you are!
You will soon see that this EcoBoost technology gives Ford an EXCLUSIVE for a premium and higher residual value for these cars. Why don';t you all just go buy a Chrysler product for $5K-$10K off and watch your residual value sink to $0 in 2-3 years... that what you deserve!
The SHO will be much closer to "sports-sedan" territory than the MKS. The suspension is pretty significantly tweaked for better handling. With the twin-turbo and the other improvements and technology that is part of the 2010 Taurus, I think the SHO is a good value starting at less than $40,000. I can't think of anything in that price range that offers as much for less money.
http://www.autofiends.com/2009/05/we-drive-2010-lincoln-mks-ecoboost/
Apparently it's pretty powerful. 0 to 60 in 6 seconds.
They also give high marks to the manual shift option, saying it is very quick to respond.
The kicker is that the price for the appearance package is $2,995, according to the Lincoln site. Much of that must be for the chrome wheels but it seems a bit steep. The cars that were driven by the press at Ford's proving grounds had the appearance package but the order guide says delayed availability. It is not my cup of tea but it certainly beats gold trim and vinyl tops in the taste department.