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The specifications you quoted earlier sound like they just copied the specifications from the concept assuming it would be the same in the production version. Although i wouldn't rule out a 350ish hp entry level V-8, I HIGHLY doubt we will see any iteration of the LS2 by 2009 as this is supposed to be the last year for it.
The G8, according to Mr. Lutz, is to sell against the DC 300C & friends – strongly suggesting a base in the low 30s for the V8 version.
That’s with the L76 ( with DoD renamed: AFM ) version of the 6.0L V8 and 362 \ 391 ratings for HP \ TQ ( on regular gas ) – and GM’s 6L80 six speed automatic w/manual shift capability.
** IF ** such a drivetrain is available early next year in the G8, and GM \ Pontiac does indeed price it against the 300C ( it looks to me like the 5.7L Hemi V8 currently starts at MSRP $35.5K – but is selling at more like $32.5K )
The 4.6L \ 300 HP Mustang GT, with only option = 5 speed automatic, MSRP is currently near $27K & selling for near $26K. From what I have see, the top performance Camaro appears more likely to be designed to slot in just below or as direct competition for something like the Ford Shelby GT ( Mustang )
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/112_0704_2007_ford_shelby_gt
This price level, I think, would allow for that 362 HP V8 and the six speed automatic ( or 6 speed manual ) to be a driveline choice.
I could be wrong. ( Ask my ex-wife. )
I hope I am not.
Cheers,
- Ray
Basically enjoying driving a GM vehicle currently, with 6.0L V8 and that 6 speed automatic trans.
I think I see what you are trying to say. I guess that all depends on whether the LS3 will be any more expensive to produce than the L76. Since they are based on the same basic block architecture, my assumption is that the LS3 will not be much more expensive than the L76, so it wouldn't make much sense to offer both unless you artifically inflate the cost of the LS3 based Camaro.
I don't think GM needs to keep the power ratings close to the Mustang for any reason. If there is a 50-100 hp difference between the Camaro V8 and the Mustang GT, then that is just a bigger buying incentive to choose Camaro instead of Mustang. Unless providing an L76 based powerplant would offer substantial benefits over the LS3 in other areas such as fuel costs or cheaper insurance rates (which I highly doubt it would) then I say just leave it out.
"Lutz declared it's too late to stop the Camaro, but said "anything after that is questionable," apparently including Camaro derivatives and the Impala sedan."
So it appears from this that the Camaro is still a go. But if ever tighter fuel standards/CO2 standards are a big issue, will a BIG V8 still be the 'obvious' choice for a base V8?
Eitherway, I still think the LS3 will appear, but as for a base V8... the L76 is looking like a prime candidate.
What you really want is a convertible STS or CTS!
-mike
-mike
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-mike
Yeah I'm definitely thinking that the sticker on this car will be over $30k, probably around $32k->40k. Maybe a 6 cylinder will eak in at $28k. Then you figure with the usual rebates etc looking at street prices 25k->35k for most, with a full blown one well over 40k and closer to 50k for a "special" one. Like the SRT8 Charger full bore is selling for $45k-47k!
-mike
If true, I’d expect the Camaro to be at least a couple of grand less, at each engine level, to start. $23K for a V6 & $28-30K for a V8.
I think that if they price it any higher, they will not be competitive. Because the Mustang V6 and GT V8 will ( still ) be priced substantially lower.
If you look at a Camaro as a shorter G8, with a smaller back seat & no rear doors ( way oversimplified, but I suspect many people will perceive it thus ) it would likely be perceived as ‘worth less’ – regardless of the exterior styling.
Just my $2K worth . . .
- Ray
Ready for my test drive . . .
-mike
That is interesting becasue it directly contradicts any and all information given by GM or the Camaro community in genral.
It has been stated and confirmed that the Camaro will be priced within a few hundred of the Mustang. I hardly call that Corvette territory. GM is looking to sell 100k units a year, and I think they know that if it is priced too high that they will not come anywhere near that target. I would expect the top of the line 550 HP version to be in the vette territory, but come on now... why wouldn't it be?
Even if you account for inflation, a 2002 Z28 still comes in below $30k in 2009 dollars. There is no way a base V8 is going to be anywhere near $35k......
-mike
Lutz has said exactly that...
- Ray
Waiting ( oh, so very ) patiently...
I inherited a 1980 El Camino last year, and as fun as it might be to tinker with and drive around, it really is scary how unsafe that truck feels versus my 2000 Impala. Cars have gotten much better over the years, and I'd much rather turn my kid loose in the Impala than I would the El Camino (even though the El Camino is less powerful and barely capable of breaking the speed limit).
So if I have a choice of buying a restored '69 Camaro for $30k or a brand new '09 for the same price, I'd get the new one. On the other hand, if I had enough money that the car was going to be more of a weekend ride than a daily driver, I'd might be tempted to buy them both!
"Friends don't let friends buy BOSE"
It has 430 HP (436 HP with optional exhaust upgrade) and 424 ftlb of torque! Looks like GM is going to own the modern day muscle car wars. The Challenger's 425 hp Hemi and what ever the Mustang will have by then will be no match for this beast.
I can't wait for it to be sitting in my driveway!
http://www.edmunds.com/apps/vdpcontainers/do/vdp/articleId=121028/pageNumber=1
That's why I'm looking forward to the new Malibu - made in the USA pretty much no matter how you slice it (though some of the platform design may have European ancestry, since it's tied to the Saturn Aura, which in turn stems from an Opel).
Of the Camaros, the first generation is still my favorite, followed by the fourth gen. up to '97, which is pre-Concord look nose (though not the worst in history-just not an improvement). The second generation is yet another good looking car, and the third generation was in some ways a good looking car, if not quite so sturdy or solid looking. The fifth generation seem too - too, as in tallish belt line, excessive width and sort of out of proportions compared to the original. A classic '97 Z28 is gonna look leaner and sleeker. Could be long term buy and hold car. And those SS in fourth gen. really a bargain.
Loren
And for complete disclosure my wife drives a "J"-VIN Honda Accord, so don't get the impression I'm closed minded on the subject. If driving a Japanese-made car gives her the peace of mind she needs to get through her day, I've got no problem with that. But for me, I don't see the advantage.
But to bring the discussion back to the future Camaro, I went to see the Transformers movie today, and as much as the logical side of me leans towards buying a Malibu Hybrid in a year or so, there's a part of me that hopes a 6-cylinder Camaro will cost about the same, and only get slightly worse gas mileage. At least I could get a subdued color that doesn't scream "mid-life crisis".
Another cool looking car is the Solstice Coupe, which I have not heard about going into production. Lower the doors and put a decent left side arm rest on the door, and the Solstice looks pretty cool. The hardtop coupe has a nice line flow to the rear and addresses the problem of no roll bar on the convertible models.
So is it next year for production of the Camaro? Wonder if they will add plastic fenders, and/or some aluminum on the car to bring weight down. Gas mileage has to be on upside every year, and the car seems like it will need to shed pounds. I do hope they use the 3.6 V6 with a 6sp for auto. and a nice 6sp. for the stick, while keeping prices down around $24K.
Loren
I haven't seen any specs for the production Camaro, but I do recall the concept car was really wide. I think the Camaro is supposed to be a 2009 model, which may or may not mean we'll see it in 2008. The Malibu is supposed to be a 2008, but last I read it won't go into production until October, which will barely make it available this year. The RWD Impala has supposedly been pushed back to 2011 (so we MIGHT see it in 2010).
Realistically I'll likely end up with a Malibu this time around, but then get my true mid-life crisis vehicle 8-10 years later (when my kids are out of the house, and the house will be paid off!).
The Camaro might be pushing 77-78" wide! :surprise:
A well-equipped V6 I would expect around $23-24k.
DrFill
I'm not saying that all American cars are junk, but the problem is consistancy, nothing more. The can roll 5 cars off the line in a row, and each one will have different lines on it, not matching the others.
The fit and finish up the Japanese cars (and some German) make GM/Ford/Dodge look really bad. Really bad.
Sorry.
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