I go AWOL for a couple of days and all hell breaks loose - I can't believe how popular these forums are becoming. I don't get lonely any more :-)
OK, to pick up on a few points:
4wd vs. 2wd - I have stated my feelings before on this topic - 4wd is the way to go for bad weather. The Quad cab has the advantage of slightly more even weight distribution than other pickups, but if you are in 2wd you still have the light end doing all the work - not great - even with LSD.
I have driven in some pretty serious conditions both through choice and necessity and feel fairly confident driving anything in any conditions - and I still put my Jag in a ditch when I got caught in a sudden snow storm a few weeks back - RWD, LSD, fairly even weight distribution. The bottom line is that you can get caught out a lot easier in bad weather with 2wd - if you turn left or right from a stop sign there will be a tendency for the back to spin round - you can imagine what might happen after that. Go 4wd for safety - and still get the LSD.
5.9 replacement - I have heard a lot of talk about this super duper new 4.8 - I dunno. There was talk a year or so back of replacing the 5.9 with a 5.3, which then turned into a 5.4. This makes a lot of sense when comparing with the 4.7. The MB 4.8, if it ever happens, is more likely to materialize in sporty applications - but expect to see MB diesels in Rams first.
A/C override - I'll leave it to you guys to figure out, way beyond my knowledge level - but I don't get how 96g11's solution saves on fuel if the computer thinks the compressor is running and increase the idle anyway - I understand that the icreased rpm aren't being used by the compressor - essentially they are 'wasted' - am I being stupid? (probably)
$5000.00 deposit - you gotta be kidding. As mentioned $200.00 max, and it shouldn't be non-refundable either - it should be refundable under certain conditions - still protecting the dealer from you changing your mind, but protecting you from being locked in if the truck takes forever to build.
Noisy tranny - doesn't sound right. Hard shifting tranny (think that wasthis topic) - not a bad thing. You can make your tranny smoother by using a higher lubrication fluid, but inevitably you will shorten the life as there will be more wear in the system in an attempt to keep shifting smooth - kinda like riding the clutch in a stick shift.
Hope the 5,000.00 "deposit" was a typo. I've put a lot less down on apartment buldings. Run to another dealer if that number is correct. Like you, on a few occassions over a long period, the bed space may prove inadequate for what I want to move, for those occassions, ordered the tow package and heavy duty assundries and will rent, borrow or buy a suitable trailer to haul what's needed.
We get infrequent winter snows here in the Ozarks and about 10 years ago I got caught in a good one. I was driving a '89 Pathfinder but it was a 2wd model instead of 4x4. My wife was pregnant. We were on a steep, winding two-lane road with no shoulder on the mountain side and a long drop off on the cliff side. We couldn't pull off and going on was very dangerous. After a few full locked spins and a very nervous stretch of teeth grinding driving I got lucky and a sand-salt truck appeared from nowhere and I followed it 10 miles over the mountain to the next small town.
Since then we buy 4x4's and have survived numerous winter snows and off-road adventures. The extra few thousand dollars expense seems like money well spent to me but ultimately, like others have said, it is a personal decision.
But one warning, (the same one I give to people I teach to flyfish) the 4x4 world can be very addicting. It all starts so innocently.
Thanks to all that replied concerning the fender flares for my QC. I will check with the dealer that I ordered my truck with to see what kinda of price I can get them for and call around to others if the price is too high. Sorry it took so long to get back with you. I went out of town for a few. Sure wish I could have gone in my new truck, but not expecting it to come in until June timeframe. I'll keep you informed of my experiences. This message board is proving to be a great help. Thanks again. Tony
I ordered my Quad from Jim's Dodge in Omaha Nebraska, got it for $165 under invoice and NO Deposit required to order. He said if I had to cancel he would have no problem selling it. Ordered 3/27 and it is now in D1 status with a delivery date about the 3rd week in May. Rick
By the way, I forgot to include this in my previous message. Dealer told me this was the last week to order Dakotas. Maybe if you aren't in a hurry you'd be better off waiting for the 2001 models, especially if you will be replacing it a few years down the road it will be worth more for trade or have a higher residual if you lease. I will be buying an extended 7year/85k mile warranty since I keep mine longer than average. My current Dakota is a 93 club cab LE 5.2 auto lsd with 69k miles on it. Warranty runs out this month. Hope to sell it for $7000 else take the dealers trade offer of $6500 when my Quad arrives. Rick
I pick up my QC in 3 hours :-) and had less then a 5 week wait (ordered 3/22 arrive 4/24). 4x2, LSD, 4.7L, Sport Plus, Power Overhead Convenience, Deluxe conv etc. etc. etc. The dealer said that DC has stopped all orders for new Quads and they couldn't get one if they wanted to. Hope the quick turnaround for mine means those who have been waiting are going to see one soon. I was expecting June. I put a $1000 down payment and thought it was a little hefty but didn't have a problem with it at at the time. I would never go over that. Five grand is ridiculous. I think it depends on dealer and what they ask for. Tell them only $200 and they should take it. They have with past vehicles I've bought. Its just meant to show you are serious about buying and not going back out after the dealer has committed and order.
This is a great discussion group. Thanks for all the help and input over the last couple of months.
4aquad -- I live in Gahanna and currently have a 4x2 slt with LSD and have experienced no real problems in severe weather. But this is central Ohio, and we get what, maybe, one or two significant snow falls a year? Now, if you travel to Cleveland a lot then that is a different story. Myself, I've had a couple of 4x4's in the past but seldom have I used them in normal everyday driving. I guess it comes down to the amount of $$$$$ you're willing to spend.
4.8, 5.7, and 6.1 engine -- I hate to say it, but I never heard of a 4.8 engine being placed within a Dakota. From my sources (http://www.car-truck.com/chryed/buzz/b121699.htm), it seems that we will see a 5.7 replacement for the 5.9 engine. But who am I.... Anyhow, check out the above site @ www.car-truck.com. It is an interesting site dedicated to DC, and the daily Buzz items become addicting....
To "4aQuad": In your area, I suppose you're justified in pondering 4WD vs. 2WD. In my area (Michigan), 2WD is not an option unless you have a back-up 4WD vehicle.
EITHER way you go, my suggestion (and I believe Badass will agree)is to opt for Limited Slip Differential. That's ESPECIALLY important if you go the 2WD route.
Cost is always a factor. But my experience has been that the 4WD will give you a better and quicker return on the back-end (resale). The "kids" really go for the off-road stuff and a good sound system, and it seems my vehicles have always gone to "kids" with deep pockets!
To ALL: It is with some consternation that I hear the stories of the 5.9's demise in favor of a more high-tech power solution. Granted, the 360 V8 is a relative "slug" in terms of power-to-weight/displacement, but for those of us who "grew up" with the Hemi and a "6-Pack" carb setup, it's sad to see another one go by the wayside!
To ALL: It's been an enjoyable and informative discussion group! And I would agree with the writer who indicated that Quad buyers seem, on the whole, to be very informed!
Not sure what the regulations are outside of Michigan, but a "good faith deposit" is NOT required in this state to order a vehicle.
Moreover, state law requires that any deposit made on a new vehicle is refundable until such time the vehicle is delivered and REGISTERED to the owner.
That's my 2 cents...
I placed a small deposit on my Quad ONLY because I wanted to know that the salesperson would follow through on the order and keep me apprised of the build status. However, he also has a "purchase agreement" in hand (via e-mail) on which I reserve the right to decline delivery and be refunded the full amount of deposit if the delivered vehicle does not include the specifications and equipment described in that agreement.
Ah well... The "car business" is changing. But fortunately, it's my opinion that it's moving AHEAD to allow consumers to take greater control over what's DEFINITELY a big-ticket purchase!
Glad to see someone else grew up in the MOPAR Rapid Transit days. I use to sport a 340 6 barrel now I'm married with children. Ordered a Quad Apr 10th; 2wd, 4.7, SLT+. Currently in BX status.
I will testify on my Dealers behalf. I recieved my Quad with a full tank of gas. I was given a thorough overview of the truck per the check list requirements. I likewise received two free quality Dodge hats and a bag of popcorn. I was happy with the delivery process. The dealership was Tom Matson Dodge in Auburn, Washington and the dealer was Vic Wright.
If you wish to upgrade your dash the easy way ask Dodge parts for the Durango dash bezel with the wood trim it's only avalible with the leather package on the Durango but it fits the Dakota perfectly, retail for the part is about $130 and it takes minutes to install the dash bezel is held in place with push pins. Hope you enjoy your new look as much as I do.
I picked up a medium burlwood dash, door and center console kit for a Durango off ebay for $120 (it's an 18 piece kit). The quality of finish is astounding - and I used to work with wood a lot in prison (just kidding). Anyway, fit is unknown at this time on the Quad - using a blow dryer / heat gun is an option though. I held up the various pieces and they should fit very close if not perfect. Very few pieces will be unused after install is complete. I'll keep all informed. Oh, they have lots of carbon fiber and other wood 'alternatives' as well. Looks interesting anyway.
I have been driving my new quad cab for about 3 weeks now - love it!! I picked a quad off the lot and as such it did not come with fog lights. I have talked to the dealer and they will install Mopar lights for me next week. They do need to put in a new wiring harness and headlight switch for the fog lights. Reason why I went with the Mopar and dealer install is that the fog lights will be covered under the warranty on the truck. Kinda nice in case they fail in the future. Just wanted to let everyone know in case you were going to do your own install.
To 4daughters, badassbob and others who've shared positive delivery experiences, thanks for the encouragement! I've developed sales and service training programs for Chrysler and other manufacturers for many years. And from what I'm hearing at least SOME dealers are finally waking up to the fact that treating customers right is ultimately what's going to keep them in the black!
I hope my delivery experience compares favorably. At this point, the truck's at the "limbo" stage... It's been built, and sits in a marshalling yard waiting to be shipped out (which may be a week to 10 days)... Enough time hopefully to prep and sell the '95 Ram.
gallen1586...Thanks for you answers on the fold-a-cover. One more thing can you lift up the middle panels by sliding the clips over and then reach inside?
spike50...Your right about the autos outnumbering mans here I'm sure, just I was surprised to see even this many 5spds as dealer had me put 500 down to order one, and I have not seen a Quad on any lots yet with one.
relious...You don't happen to work at the "yellow box" like me do you, I'd love to see your truck.
Maybe I'm missing something, but I'm wondering what advantage there is in plunking down the extra cash for an extended warranty as part of the new truck purchase. X-warranties may be purchased at any time during the standard 3/36 period.
I've always kept the cash in the bank, watched the TSBs and long-term test/quality reports 'till about 30,000, then decided whether or not to pop for the extended protection.
Am I missing some hidden advantage to the early buy???
For what it's worth to those of you "considering" the Quad... A friend stopped over recently with his new Ford (F-150 Quad). He seemed reasonably pleased with the truck... Though after running through specs (power, equipment, etc.) on the Dakota Quad, he left a bit disappointed that he hadn't looked further.
The point? Well... Once again, it's my impression that Dodge has really nailed it with its QC. Where else (at this point) can you find a midsize truck with plenty of interior space, that your wife can feel comfortable driving around town (she HATES the Ram), but with the guts it takes to haul a 5,500 lb. trailer through the mountains?
Nothing at all against Ford or GM (they're clients as well)... And the Dodge reputation for quality is certainly not untarnished! But somehow, those guys seem to have a substantial leg-up on the competition when it comes to assessing market needs and designing stuff that fills a market niche.
A slow business day, with plenty of time for pontificating... Pardon me for rambling on, and good luck to all!
The first foot of the truck's bed rail dents easy (just behind the cab). I am talking about the top of the rail. There is support throughout the rest of the rail. I stepped out of the back of the truck stepping on this rail in this area and it left a slight dent. #@!%&*
They are going to be EVERYWHERE by the end of 2000. Almost every truck maker is planning to have one by the 2001 model year. Toyota, Ford (2), Dodge (duh), Chevy (2), and Nissan. I must say that as stated in previous posts DODGE nailed this one. I have seen pictures of or in person every one of those trucks and basically the little ones are just that LITTLE. The BIG ones dont really offer much more than the Dodge. The one thing that kills me in the little ones (nissan, toyota, s-10, and ford sport trac) is the size of the bed and the way the side of the truck looks from the rear tire forward to the cab. Its like they pinched the bed in there. Plus the Bed is very small and none of them offer any real power (v-8). The only advantages the Big ones have is little bigger bed, more hip/head room, and can tow a little more, but IMHO it is not worth the degradation in Gas mileage and overall driveability. Although I came REAL close to getting the Supercrew I am now glad that I got the QUAD. But I must say the nice package FORD sent me with a Stainless Steel multi=plier tool was a suprise, they just buttered me up alot too late. Also do you find yourself laughing or giggling when you see one of the little nissan four doors drive by. My wife always giggles when she see's one and says "awww how cute". Still loving this truck after 3500 miles.
stvdman I came oh so close to buying one of those "cute" trucks but I am oh so very glad I waited for the Quad. But I can't knock the Nissans. I have had too much success with them over the last thirty years(the used to be Datsun). Hope the Quad will be as reliable.
At close to 5000 miles my mileage continues to be around 17 mpg give or take a tenth or two. With or without the tonneau the mileage seems to remain the same. I'm driving a 4x4 4.7 5spd 3.55 with a good mix of 75 mph interstate and 55 mph country roads.
for the macguy, a_j, or others who might know...when I took off my leer tonneau the other day I manage to scratch the front of the top bed rail on both sides. :-{ It is down to the primer in a spot about 3/4 inch long. The scratch is wide and deep enough that I worry about the paint peeling around it or eventually flaking off. Other than a trip to the body shop, do you have any suggestions? I mean the truck will acquire some dings along the way so I more concerned with stopping future damage (ie rust, peeling) than I am with restoring the pristine appearance. Any help would be appreciated.
badassbob and other 4x4 Quadders...Are you looking at grill guards or push bars like those offered by Westin? Any recommendations?
Nissan's Canadian administrative headquarters is across the street from my office. Because of the staff purchase plan there are obviously a number of Nissans there, and given that it is Ontario there are quite a few trucks - Pathfinders / Xterras / Frontiers. The drivers always seem to be looking the other way when I pull up alongside!!
It sounds like the scratch problem can be solved with some touch up paint - you should be able to but a small tube for a few bucks - the paint code will ensure a match.
Push bars - well I went DeeZee because I wanted stainless - they look great and allow for functional mounting of spots and / or winch at a later date. My only suggestion would be to avoid chrome as there are bound to be a lot of stone chips up front.
Andy, you are not being stupid. I guess I should have explained this. The computer increases rpm by just a few hundred to compensate for the drag of the a/c compressor when it is on. This increase is not even a factor on fuel mileage unless you idle for hours at a time. In that case the a/c cutoff system would not be used. That is not the intended purpose. The purpose is to save the life of the compressor and not waste the gas used to run it during the situations where you either want recycled air or wish to defrost the windshield in the winter when it is dry. The switch system would be used mostly in the winter months anyway. If you don't know how much fuel it takes to run an a/c compressor just try to turn the compressor over by hand. You will then realize how much drag it produces. I could have gone into how to bypass the computer as bpeebles has suggested but I did not want to offer assistance in a procedure best left to those much more experienced than most "shade tree mechanics" I was trying to use a term from my military days and "K.I.S.S. it, keep it simple stupid! Please nobody take that as an insult, it was directed at me. Happy Quaddin!
The advantage of buying one at time of purchase is that you can buy directly from the dealer most of the time at a large discount...It is true you can buy at any time during the 3/36 period , BUT according the D/C cust service you have to purchase it at the current MSRP price from DODGE and not the dealer...For example..The one i bought at time of purchase has a MSRP of around $2800 if im not mistaken(you can price them on Dodge's Website)..From dealer i paid $995...I realize that most likely i will not use the warranty enough to justify the cost but i am OVERINSURED with everything else so what the hell......
redqcslt, You can pick up the middle sections in the shape of an A _/\_ but doesnt give much room to pull anything out. It is designed for the first front section to fold back or the tailgate section to fold forward or stack all four sections behind the cab.
The dealer I'm going through only had one 5 speed in a Club Cab, the other 5 Clubs and 7 Quads were multi-speeds. That Club also had the V6, which seemed Ok in a "no-load" condition. Can't wait to try out the 5 speed with the 4.7L.
BTW - Ernie says mine is on a train near Pittsburgh, PA headed to Newark, DE. By next week it should be back in central PA. To bad I have to be away all next weekend at another boy scout camp out like this weekend. Don't let anyone kid you into believing its "only an hour a week".
On 4/7 I ordered a 4.7 4X2 SLT QC and called D/C 2 weeks ago to check on the status of the order. At that time they told me that it was in BX status. Today, I called and was told that it is in BG status with a restriction on the 4.7. I am so upset/disappointed. The first guy i spoke to said that everything was fine and ready to go. Why did this happen? Now I guess I won't get it until God knows when.
Before ordering the Quad I carefully taped off a section of the garage floor and 'loaded' the stuff I normally expect to haul (dirt bike, gear, toolbox). It barely fit with the tailgate up. With the tailgate down I should be able to haul two. I'm giving up convenient plywood hauling, but I expect this will still be possible for a few sheets with the tailgate down. After driving a full size for so long, I picked the quad instead of a full-size extended cab because the bed was adequate, the cab is better for the kids as they grow up, and I may be able to park in those 'compact' spots. The Nissan's bed just wasn't big enough to even consider.
My only problem now is how to get adequate and properly placed tie down points. I'm considering oak baseboards (1x4) bolted into the existing mount holes, but have to wait for the Quad to actually arrive before deciding. Anyone have ideas on tie down points?
Too bad about the paint scrapes, but find comfort in knowing that there are still a lot of 1989 Fords out there with no (nada, zippo) bed paint left at all.
Guys, don't fret as these "material restrictions" are resolved very quickly. Once resolved, if your dealer has allocation things should move forward. I have faced the following restrictions, 3.55 LSD,4.7, quad cab, tire and handling, HD service group. Be patient. It would be a good time to question your dealership regarding allocation, so when the material restrictions clear, you can move to "D" status. Hang tough!
The Quad has two Tiedown anchors in the front corners of the bed about 1/2 way up the wall...These should be aduquate tiedown points for you bikes...I have already hauled a hefty size DualSport Bike(95 Honda XR650L) in mine with the tailgate down and had no problems...Used the standard "Bike in the middle" config with one tiedown from each side of the handlebars cranked down enough to crompress the front forks...I dont usually secure the rear end unless im going for a long haul, So i dont remember if the tiepoints are in the rear bed corner or not...
a_j's right ozark, go to one of the discount auto places where they sell the touch-up stuff, and match it up with a code (if truck or car paint) or eyeball if bedrail, etc. That's another good reason why everything I buy these days is either black or white.
Anyway, do the job when the surface you're painting is warm, not hot and make sure to use a paint prep - Prep Sol from an auto paint shop is best, but alcohol will work in a pinch. Now, thin a drop or two of the touch up paint by using a proper thinner (just a tad - drop or so) for the lacquer or enamel in something the size of an old Coke bottle lid, then use a toothpick to put the stuff on (a thin coat of ZINC primer touch-up first if it's scratched as you say thru the primer). Work the stuff into the jagged edges - remember it's thin and will try to 'flash dry' on you within a minute or so. The objective here is to build up a few successive thin layers rather than using the touch up brush to add a 'glob' all at once - which would require perfect sanding and 'blending' later.
Now the secret: just before you put a layer that would be 'even' with the finish coat - stop. Let it set in the sun a couple of days and 'cure.' At this point the final layer, along with the previous coats (usually just two or three) will settle out and leave a small, smooth, 'cupped' indention where the scratch is. Build up ONE more light layer here, Repeat the sun process / light fill until even; EXCEPT for a scratch in a clearcoat finish. For this sype of finish, use a clear coat final 'thin coat' or two: remember you have plenty of matching color beneath the clear coat, and what you are trying to do is make a smooth, invisible fill. Use all color and clearoat sparingly, and dillute with a proper thinner. AND use toothpicks. e:mail me if you need help.
bookitty - I know it's your truck I saw - it's on 'CON' rail... :O)
per themacguy sightings, chances are excellent that your ordered vehicle has accumulated microscopic bits of steel referred to as rail dust. This is nasty stuff that will embed itself in the paint (as will it's cousin - brake dust). I have seen magnified pictures of a white '99 jeep with tiny yellow spots all over, and left alone, will grow like cancer. Will show up on white quicker, but it is there no matter the color. My white quad has been shipped and the dealer estimates 2-3 weeks before it arrives in central PA. I will ask the dealer to wash, but not wax. I will wash on it's arrival at my farm and then "clay" - to remove all rail dust, before wax/polish. Go to maintenance conference if not familiar with this process. I would "clay' the insides and bottom of bed before putting in a drop-in.
Is that you I see telling someone to "hang in there"? I remember not to long ago alot of us were telling you the same thing. We are all glad you did, as I am sure you are also. For everyone on restrictions or waiting for the truck to show up, HANG IN THERE, it is worth it.
Hi, Jims Dodge Country was also one of the several dealers I shopped at before I ordered at the dealer that is much closer to me here in Clarinda. Was wondering if you were aware of the $500 rebate from Farm Bureau. You might be running close on time unless you can get dealer to hold it a few days before you get it. You have to belong to Farm Bureau 30 days before you take delivery of the truck. I joined the same day I ordered and had way more time than I needed. I also traded in a 93 Club Cab and you should very easily get what you are wanting for it. Good Luck.
I just purchased a flame red dak.quad cab sport loaded off the lot.I haul dirt bikes and am interested in bedliner options.I am considering a spray in "ARMA" lining.Heard it was better than the "RHINO".Anybody out there have any knowledge or suggestions for spray in liners and pros and cons of spray ins vs. drop in liners.Thanks and my wife and kids love our new truck.
Yeah, I signed up for the Farm Bureau Rebate, I ordered the truck 3/25 and signed up 3/28 so I just completed my 30 days. My truck is scheduled to be built 4/6 and 4/8 if you can believe the bad luck. Started on a Saturday and finished on a Monday, hope the old horror stories about vehicles built in the beginning and end of the week are just stories. Thanks Rick
To badassbob: Thanks for your insights on the advantages of buying the X-warranty at time of purchase. You were obviously referring to the DC warranty, and it does sound like a good buy IF you're convinced it's a good move after the 3/36 has expired.
However, there are any number X-warranties available through other companies (i.e., Geico) that are more price-competitive, and MUST be honored by the dealership. It's a matter of chosing a package from a company that's graded "A" (I'll look up the grading system in my F&I training materials and post later)... Anyway, THANKS!
TO ALL "WAITERS": Keep the faith! Those of you who've faced restrictions on the T&H package, the 4.7L, etc. shouldn't be discouraged. As another in the discussion group indicated, such restrictions are usually handled within just a few days.
For what it's worth... I ordered a 4X4 QC on April 4... 5.9L and all possible options excluding steering wheel radio controls. It was built on 4/25, went onto the truck on 4/26, and should arrive at the dealership not later than 5/1.
When I checked with DC last week, the rep indicated that the T&H Group (AGB) at $340 was on restriction, but that it wouldn't affect my order because I had specced the Sport Plus Package (AGU)at $824, which includes the T&H Package. From what she said, I get the sense that those who order "ala-carte" options are more likely to be affected by restrictions on certain options.
In any case, I have been surprised and delighted by the responsiveness of the DC Reps on the status of the order. Keep in mind that these are "kids" fresh out of college, hired by DC. Their "first stop" in a career with DC is the Customer Service Center. Their first positiion is generally something easy like tracking orders. Next, they're worked into the trickier area of handling customer complaints, possible arbitration situations, etc. Many of them "drop out" (quit) at that point. Those who can handle it are generally "graduated" and sent out to the field (wholesale regions/districts), where they're trained to become Service or Sales Reps with responsibility for working directly with dealerships.
Moral? Be patient and positive with these DC Reps. They're good kids who relate their own career success with the ability to satisfy customers.
I don't have a truck, but I am in the "research" state now. However, my son has a 98 Tacoma X-Cab (bought new in Olympia, WA) and he installed a shell and had the bed sprayed by Line-X. I think it cost about $275 or so. He is very happy with it. He works in the woods quite a bit and takes his dog (Akita) with him. He was concerned with the dog slipping or sliding around with a drop-in liner. Also, saw a '00 Club cab at a 7-11 yesterday and noticed a Line-X sticker on the window. The driver said it had been sprayed (over the rail) that day and he paid $300 in Springfield, VA. The truck was dark green and the liner was black - looked terrific. In reading in some of the other forums, it was mentioned that one of the most important things to check with spray in liners is how straight the lines are. The '00 had perfect lines along the side rails and right behind the cab. I can't remember if the tail gate was over the top. My son's Tacoma is. I envy you guys with your new trucks (those that already have them). I told my wife that my next "car" will be a truck. I needed an extended cab (not sure if I want/need a quad) because I am 6'6" and I need to "recline" the seat a bit. I can't do this in a normal truck. Sorry for the long post, but hope this helps.
Had to laugh when I read your remarks about the horror stories behind Friday or Monday builds! I think you'll find that the QC efforts here in Detroit and elsewhare will prevent that sort of thing for the most part. After all, the domestics took a real beating from offshore manufacturers through the 70s, and are still fighting to regain market share!
Nonetheless, your concern is not unfounded!!
TRUE STORY #1: A friend took delivery of a 1975 Ford (Friday build)... The car ran fine, except that he noticed an increasingly objectionable stench in the cabin. After two months, the dealership still couldn't figure it out... until they popped the passenger-side door panel to find the remains of someone's lunch (chicken, fries and gravy) in there.
TRUE STORY #2: Screw-ups weren't limited to the manufacturers in those days! I recall how excited I was when my dad pulled into the drive in a 1966 Plymouth Baracuda... Yellow, with black racing stripes (awesome!).
He pulled up... There was steam everywhere... Got out of the car and proceeded to kick repeatedly at the front tire whilst exposing me to swear words and phrases I hadn't even know existed at my tender age.
The problem... No big deal! The dealer delivered the car without coolant in the radiator!
First of all, let me reiterate what a great forum this is!!! I ordered my Quad (4.7 4wd loaded) on April 3 and am currently in "D" status (by the way, how close am I if I'm in D?) and I have been helped immensely before and throughout my ordering process by the knowledgeable posters on this forum. Thanks to all!
Now to my questions. I'm currenlty looking into getting the Fold-A-Cover from CalConcepts (http://www.calconcepts.com) for only $389 (much less than the prices I've seen posted). The only problem is that I will obviously have to install myself. How difficult is the installation? What is the process? Is it permanent? Also, the company advertises "drill-free installation", but I think somebody earlier posted that they pop-riveted the rails. Will I have to install the pop-rivets? This makes me nervous for my new truck!!! Also, should I get the total access model?
There is also another folding cover called Aerocover (made by Ruggedliner). It claims to be waterproof while Fold-A-Cover does not. Does anyone have any experience with this model?
To Shannond2: I'm also at odds regarding the folding covers. I contacted "Fold-a-Cover" through a link provided here in a previous post, but have had no response regarding availability for the QC, price, warranty, etc.
Not too bothered about that for now... My first priority is bed protection, then bed coverage. It seems that the tonneau will require a bit more research.
PS TO ALL: I spoke with a friend at Chrysler today... And he did in fact confirm that DC is making every effort to open up the production pipeline on the Quad. They're fully cognizant that the competition is nipping at their heels, so hopefully all of here at the Quad's embrionic stage will take delivery in a timely manner!
on 4/11 I was in BX status, by 4/19 was in F status, and dealer has confirmed truck shipped early this week, projecting 2-3 weeks until dealer receives it.
Installing the fold-a-cover requires drilling. It took me about 3 hours by myself, I was being very careful hence slow. There are 2 d catches that must mounted, one to the front of the bed and the other to the tailgate. Each requires 2 holes to be drilled, I think 3/8". Also, they recommend installing a rivet at each end of the rails that are held on with double sided tape. I have chosen to skip this for now. I have noticed the rails are loose at the very end of the bed, last inch or so, because of the radius near the tailgate. i don't believe this is a problem. The cover requires some assembly before installation but its pretty simple. However, once the cover is installed you have to install the second lock near the tailgate. You must drill a 2" hole through the cover, not hard but you better get it right the first time. The cover dose not come with any gaskets for the front or rear edge. So I installed a strip of 3/4" thick foam tape to the cover where it hits the tailgate and the front of the bed. No leaks so far. PS on all the drilled holes I used touch-up paint to coat the bare metal then squirted in very liberal amount of silicone sealant before installing the pop rivet. The price I paid, $530, was for the full access including shipping and 6% sales tax. I checked on the Areo cover but was told its not available for the quad and they are not sure if they will be.
I forgot one last thing. I called calconcept about a month and half ago and was told they no longer carried the fold-a-cover. Just my .02. Last thing, I promise. I got the estimate to replace the rear bumper, $690. I got rear ended last week. Turns out the chrome bumper is cheaper than the sport's painted one. I' m done now. Scott
I was disturbed today when a guy on the phone was all over the road. Then, I remembered when we would roll up the windows on hot days so everyone would think we had air conditioning. We didn't impress anyone & on the phone doesn't either.
Thanks for the info gsx750f. Considering the drilling involved and the fact that I won't be able to get the Fold A Cover for $389, I'll probably reconsider a soft tonneau, but haven't ruled out the Fold A Cover. Thanks again!
I noticed on the Dakota Mailing List people were asking about what was a fair price for the DC extended warranties. My dealer is a pretty straightforward guy and he told me that there is 100 percent markup on the DC warranty. The warranty I'm looking at is the $0 deductable for 7/75 on a Quad 2wd. MSRP is $2220 and I can buy it for $1110. This is the Maximum Care. I've been reading what is covered under the warranty based on what is on the 4adodge site. Did you know that the fuel injectors are not included on the DC warranty, they only list coverage for the diesel fuel injectors??? How can that be or are they covered under the emissions warranty?? anyone know? I've looked at the coverage on some of the insurance company type extended warranties and they do cover fuel injectors.
I've also found out the DC warranty does not have to be bought from the dealer where you bought the car. Last summer we bought a Dodge Neon R/T from one dealer and my daughter bought a Plymouth Neon Breeze from another dealer. The Dodge dealer gave us a package deal on both cars for $50 over his cost. It pays to shop around plus you can make no interest payments for the DC warranty. They will break it up into 12 equal payments and bill you with no interest or service charges
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OK, to pick up on a few points:
4wd vs. 2wd - I have stated my feelings before on this topic - 4wd is the way to go for bad weather. The Quad cab has the advantage of slightly more even weight distribution than other pickups, but if you are in 2wd you still have the light end doing all the work - not great - even with LSD.
I have driven in some pretty serious conditions both through choice and necessity and feel fairly confident driving anything in any conditions - and I still put my Jag in a ditch when I got caught in a sudden snow storm a few weeks back - RWD, LSD, fairly even weight distribution. The bottom line is that you can get caught out a lot easier in bad weather with 2wd - if you turn left or right from a stop sign there will be a tendency for the back to spin round - you can imagine what might happen after that. Go 4wd for safety - and still get the LSD.
5.9 replacement - I have heard a lot of talk about this super duper new 4.8 - I dunno. There was talk a year or so back of replacing the 5.9 with a 5.3, which then turned into a 5.4. This makes a lot of sense when comparing with the 4.7. The MB 4.8, if it ever happens, is more likely to materialize in sporty applications - but expect to see MB diesels in Rams first.
A/C override - I'll leave it to you guys to figure out, way beyond my knowledge level - but I don't get how 96g11's solution saves on fuel if the computer thinks the compressor is running and increase the idle anyway - I understand that the icreased rpm aren't being used by the compressor - essentially they are 'wasted' - am I being stupid? (probably)
$5000.00 deposit - you gotta be kidding. As mentioned $200.00 max, and it shouldn't be non-refundable either - it should be refundable under certain conditions - still protecting the dealer from you changing your mind, but protecting you from being locked in if the truck takes forever to build.
Noisy tranny - doesn't sound right. Hard shifting tranny (think that wasthis topic) - not a bad thing. You can make your tranny smoother by using a higher lubrication fluid, but inevitably you will shorten the life as there will be more wear in the system in an attempt to keep shifting smooth - kinda like riding the clutch in a stick shift.
Like you, on a few occassions over a long period, the bed space may prove inadequate for what I want to move, for those occassions, ordered the tow package and heavy duty assundries and will rent, borrow or buy a suitable trailer to haul what's needed.
Since then we buy 4x4's and have survived numerous winter snows and off-road adventures. The extra few thousand dollars expense seems like money well spent to me but ultimately, like others have said, it is a personal decision.
But one warning, (the same one I give to people I teach to flyfish) the 4x4 world can be very addicting. It all starts so innocently.
This is a great discussion group. Thanks for all the help and input over the last couple of months.
4.8, 5.7, and 6.1 engine -- I hate to say it, but I never heard of a 4.8 engine being placed within a Dakota. From my sources (http://www.car-truck.com/chryed/buzz/b121699.htm), it seems that we will see a 5.7 replacement for the 5.9 engine. But who am I.... Anyhow, check out the above site @ www.car-truck.com. It is an interesting site dedicated to DC, and the daily Buzz items become addicting....
EITHER way you go, my suggestion (and I believe Badass will agree)is to opt for Limited Slip Differential. That's ESPECIALLY important if you go the 2WD route.
Cost is always a factor. But my experience has been that the 4WD will give you a better and quicker return on the back-end (resale). The "kids" really go for the off-road stuff and a good sound system, and it seems my vehicles have always gone to "kids" with deep pockets!
To ALL: It is with some consternation that I hear the stories of the 5.9's demise in favor of a more high-tech power solution. Granted, the 360 V8 is a relative "slug" in terms of power-to-weight/displacement, but for those of us who "grew up" with the Hemi and a "6-Pack" carb setup, it's sad to see another one go by the wayside!
To ALL: It's been an enjoyable and informative discussion group! And I would agree with the writer who indicated that Quad buyers seem, on the whole, to be very informed!
Moreover, state law requires that any deposit made on a new vehicle is refundable until such time the vehicle is delivered and REGISTERED to the owner.
That's my 2 cents...
I placed a small deposit on my Quad ONLY because I wanted to know that the salesperson would follow through on the order and keep me apprised of the build status. However, he also has a "purchase agreement" in hand (via e-mail) on which I reserve the right to decline delivery and be refunded the full amount of deposit if the delivered vehicle does not include the specifications and equipment described in that agreement.
Ah well... The "car business" is changing. But fortunately, it's my opinion that it's moving AHEAD to allow consumers to take greater control over what's DEFINITELY a big-ticket purchase!
Good luck to all!!!
Ordered a Quad Apr 10th; 2wd, 4.7, SLT+. Currently in BX status.
I hope my delivery experience compares favorably. At this point, the truck's at the "limbo" stage... It's been built, and sits in a marshalling yard waiting to be shipped out (which may be a week to 10 days)... Enough time hopefully to prep and sell the '95 Ram.
spike50...Your right about the autos outnumbering mans here I'm sure, just I was surprised to see even this many 5spds as dealer had me put 500 down to order one, and I have not seen a Quad on any lots yet with one.
relious...You don't happen to work at the "yellow box" like me do you, I'd love to see your truck.
I've always kept the cash in the bank, watched the TSBs and long-term test/quality reports 'till about 30,000, then decided whether or not to pop for the extended protection.
Am I missing some hidden advantage to the early buy???
The point? Well... Once again, it's my impression that Dodge has really nailed it with its QC. Where else (at this point) can you find a midsize truck with plenty of interior space, that your wife can feel comfortable driving around town (she HATES the Ram), but with the guts it takes to haul a 5,500 lb. trailer through the mountains?
Nothing at all against Ford or GM (they're clients as well)... And the Dodge reputation for quality is certainly not untarnished! But somehow, those guys seem to have a substantial leg-up on the competition when it comes to assessing market needs and designing stuff that fills a market niche.
A slow business day, with plenty of time for pontificating... Pardon me for rambling on, and good luck to all!
Also do you find yourself laughing or giggling when you see one of the little nissan four doors drive by. My wife always giggles when she see's one and says "awww how cute". Still loving this truck after 3500 miles.
At close to 5000 miles my mileage continues to be around 17 mpg give or take a tenth or two. With or without the tonneau the mileage seems to remain the same. I'm driving a 4x4 4.7 5spd 3.55 with a good mix of 75 mph interstate and 55 mph country roads.
for the macguy, a_j, or others who might know...when I took off my leer tonneau the other day I manage to scratch the front of the top bed rail on both sides. :-{ It is down to the primer in a spot about 3/4 inch long. The scratch is wide and deep enough that I worry about the paint peeling around it or eventually flaking off. Other than a trip to the body shop, do you have any suggestions? I mean the truck will acquire some dings along the way so I more concerned with stopping future damage (ie rust, peeling) than I am with restoring the pristine appearance. Any help would be appreciated.
badassbob and other 4x4 Quadders...Are you looking at grill guards or push bars like those offered by Westin? Any recommendations?
It sounds like the scratch problem can be solved with some touch up paint - you should be able to but a small tube for a few bucks - the paint code will ensure a match.
Push bars - well I went DeeZee because I wanted stainless - they look great and allow for functional mounting of spots and / or winch at a later date. My only suggestion would be to avoid chrome as there are bound to be a lot of stone chips up front.
Chad
You can pick up the middle sections in the shape of an A _/\_ but doesnt give much room to pull anything out. It is designed for the first front section to fold back or the tailgate section to fold forward or stack all four sections behind the cab.
BTW - Ernie says mine is on a train near Pittsburgh, PA headed to Newark, DE. By next week it should be back in central PA. To bad I have to be away all next weekend at another boy scout camp out like this weekend. Don't let anyone kid you into believing its "only an hour a week".
My only problem now is how to get adequate and properly placed tie down points. I'm considering oak baseboards (1x4) bolted into the existing mount holes, but have to wait for the Quad to actually arrive before deciding. Anyone have ideas on tie down points?
Too bad about the paint scrapes, but find comfort in knowing that there are still a lot of 1989 Fords out there with no (nada, zippo) bed paint left at all.
Bookitty
Anyway...Hope this helps
Chad
Anyway, do the job when the surface you're painting is warm, not hot and make sure to use a paint prep - Prep Sol from an auto paint shop is best, but alcohol will work in a pinch. Now, thin a drop or two of the touch up paint by using a proper thinner (just a tad - drop or so) for the lacquer or enamel in something the size of an old Coke bottle lid, then use a toothpick to put the stuff on (a thin coat of ZINC primer touch-up first if it's scratched as you say thru the primer). Work the stuff into the jagged edges - remember it's thin and will try to 'flash dry' on you within a minute or so. The objective here is to build up a few successive thin layers rather than using the touch up brush to add a 'glob' all at once - which would require perfect sanding and 'blending' later.
Now the secret: just before you put a layer that would be 'even' with the finish coat - stop. Let it set in the sun a couple of days and 'cure.' At this point the final layer, along with the previous coats (usually just two or three) will settle out and leave a small, smooth, 'cupped' indention where the scratch is. Build up ONE more light layer here, Repeat the sun process / light fill until even; EXCEPT for a scratch in a clearcoat finish. For this sype of finish, use a clear coat final 'thin coat' or two: remember you have plenty of matching color beneath the clear coat, and what you are trying to do is make a smooth, invisible fill. Use all color and clearoat sparingly, and dillute with a proper thinner. AND use toothpicks. e:mail me if you need help.
bookitty - I know it's your truck I saw - it's on 'CON' rail... :O)
My white quad has been shipped and the dealer estimates 2-3 weeks before it arrives in central PA. I will ask the dealer to wash, but not wax. I will wash on it's arrival at my farm and then "clay" - to remove all rail dust, before wax/polish. Go to maintenance conference if not familiar with this process. I would "clay' the insides and bottom of bed before putting in a drop-in.
However, there are any number X-warranties available through other companies (i.e., Geico) that are more price-competitive, and MUST be honored by the dealership. It's a matter of chosing a package from a company that's graded "A" (I'll look up the grading system in my F&I training materials and post later)... Anyway, THANKS!
TO ALL "WAITERS": Keep the faith! Those of you who've faced restrictions on the T&H package, the 4.7L, etc. shouldn't be discouraged. As another in the discussion group indicated, such restrictions are usually handled within just a few days.
For what it's worth... I ordered a 4X4 QC on
April 4... 5.9L and all possible options excluding steering wheel radio controls. It was built on 4/25, went onto the truck on 4/26, and should arrive at the dealership not later than 5/1.
When I checked with DC last week, the rep indicated that the T&H Group (AGB) at $340 was on restriction, but that it wouldn't affect my order because I had specced the Sport Plus Package (AGU)at $824, which includes the T&H Package. From what she said, I get the sense that those who order "ala-carte" options are more likely to be affected by restrictions on certain options.
In any case, I have been surprised and delighted by the responsiveness of the DC Reps on the status of the order. Keep in mind that these are "kids" fresh out of college, hired by DC. Their "first stop" in a career with DC is the Customer Service Center. Their first positiion is generally something easy like tracking orders. Next, they're worked into the trickier area of handling customer complaints, possible arbitration situations, etc. Many of them "drop out" (quit) at that point. Those who can handle it are generally "graduated" and sent out to the field (wholesale regions/districts), where they're trained to become Service or Sales Reps with responsibility for working directly with dealerships.
Moral? Be patient and positive with these DC Reps. They're good kids who relate their own career success with the ability to satisfy customers.
Over and out for now.
Had to laugh when I read your remarks about the horror stories behind Friday or Monday builds! I think you'll find that the QC efforts here in Detroit and elsewhare will prevent that sort of thing for the most part. After all, the domestics took a real beating from offshore manufacturers through the 70s, and are still fighting to regain market share!
Nonetheless, your concern is not unfounded!!
TRUE STORY #1:
A friend took delivery of a 1975 Ford (Friday build)... The car ran fine, except that he noticed an increasingly objectionable stench in the cabin. After two months, the dealership still couldn't figure it out... until they popped the passenger-side door panel to find the remains of someone's lunch (chicken, fries and gravy) in there.
TRUE STORY #2:
Screw-ups weren't limited to the manufacturers in those days! I recall how excited I was when my dad pulled into the drive in a 1966 Plymouth Baracuda... Yellow, with black racing stripes (awesome!).
He pulled up... There was steam everywhere... Got out of the car and proceeded to kick repeatedly at the front tire whilst exposing me to swear words and phrases I hadn't even know existed at my tender age.
The problem... No big deal! The dealer delivered the car without coolant in the radiator!
Those days are gone, thank goodness!
Good luck to all!
Now to my questions. I'm currenlty looking into getting the Fold-A-Cover from CalConcepts (http://www.calconcepts.com) for only $389 (much less than the prices I've seen posted). The only problem is that I will obviously have to install myself. How difficult is the installation? What is the process? Is it permanent? Also, the company advertises "drill-free installation", but I think somebody earlier posted that they pop-riveted the rails. Will I have to install the pop-rivets? This makes me nervous for my new truck!!! Also, should I get the total access model?
There is also another folding cover called Aerocover (made by Ruggedliner). It claims to be waterproof while Fold-A-Cover does not. Does anyone have any experience with this model?
thanks, as always, for any help!
I'm also at odds regarding the folding covers. I contacted "Fold-a-Cover" through a link provided here in a previous post, but have had no response regarding availability for the QC, price, warranty, etc.
Not too bothered about that for now... My first priority is bed protection, then bed coverage. It seems that the tonneau will require a bit more research.
PS TO ALL:
I spoke with a friend at Chrysler today... And he did in fact confirm that DC is making every effort to open up the production pipeline on the Quad. They're fully cognizant that the competition is nipping at their heels, so hopefully all of here at the Quad's embrionic stage will take delivery in a timely manner!
I installed a strip of 3/4" thick foam tape to the cover where it hits the tailgate and the front of the bed. No leaks so far.
PS on all the drilled holes I used touch-up paint to coat the bare metal then squirted in very liberal amount of silicone sealant before installing the pop rivet.
The price I paid, $530, was for the full access including shipping and 6% sales tax.
I checked on the Areo cover but was told its not available for the quad and they are not sure if they will be.
Last thing, I promise. I got the estimate to replace the rear bumper, $690. I got rear ended last week. Turns out the chrome bumper is cheaper than the sport's painted one. I' m done now.
Scott
I've also found out the DC warranty does not have to be bought from the dealer where you bought the car.
Last summer we bought a Dodge Neon R/T from one dealer and my daughter bought a Plymouth Neon Breeze from another dealer. The Dodge dealer gave us a package deal on both cars for $50 over his cost. It pays to shop around plus you can make no interest payments for the DC warranty. They will break it up into 12 equal payments and bill you with no interest or service charges