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Ford 2001 Heavy Duty F-250
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Any of you that can't make a decision, JUST DO IT!
Merry Christmas & Happy New Year.
My dealer agreed to $100 over invoice (as seen on Edmunds) when I ordered the truck. Before I picked the truck up, some type of rebate had kicked in and I ended up getting it for $400 under invoice.. (this was Nov 99).
I've heard of folks lately talking about getting trucks at dealer invoice or just below.
Any dealer can give you a deal of $500 over dealer invoice. They could almost sell every vehicle on the lot at this price and still remain profitable..
My question is:
What do you all think about the tires that come standard on the SDs for highway, snow and mud (general use)? I ordered my F250 SD CC SB 4x4 from over here in Yokosuka, Japan for delivery in WA so I have not seen them yet. If the traction isn't that good I will go ahead and order some new ones.
My particular truck averages 15.5mpgs in mixed driving. The best average for a tank was 18 which occured 2 times when I traveled at mostly 55mph empty..
I have 00' F250 xlt 4x2 SC 5.4L 5sp 4.10ls.
Assuming your getting 01' F250 4x4 CC 5.4L auto 3.73, you'll probably get a max of 16mpgs or maybe a 17 on the highway, while averaging in the 12 or 13mpg with mixed driving.
miles combination ranch work and why miles with light loads of up to 4000lb. during break-in getting 13 mpg. I am not a lead foot and shift to keep rams down. It outpulls anything I've ever driven and is faster to speed than the power stroke. I agonized at first about getting the v-10 over the power stroke but most of the farmers and ranchers I know are only getting 1 to 3 miles per gallon more with their new emission controlled diesels. I can't justify the price of a power stroke when diesel is 20 to 30 cents per gallon higher, at least for my use.
Some of my buddies are trying to steer me toward a manual tray, because they think that SD is too tourquey for an automatic.
Also, how much more is it cost to maintain SD/Gas?
THAN for any input... Veto
Both are very capable tranny's and you should get whatever you have the preference for.. I prefer the extra control, throttle response, and mpg's one gets when driving a manual tranny. The automatic is rated to handle the torque of the PSD. On boards like this you'll find a few more folks who've had problems with the automatic but I think thats basically because more folks have the automatic..
PSD costs vs gasser: depending on how you drive (city/highway, towing vs empty), the break even point is somewhere between 80k and 180k miles. Meaning, the extra cost of the PSD and its maintaince is nullified once you've put enough miles on it..
Some of the extra costs of PSD I'm referring to:
- initial $3800 purchase price
- 15 quarts of oil per change vs 6
- more expensive oil filter
- fuel filter 2x a year
- fuel prices for diesel are higher in some area's.
Other PSD issues that don't really have a cost:
- careful checking of antifreeze levels (via teststrips) to avoid cavitation problems
- smell
- noise
All of those costs are recovered over time in the better MPG's the PSD gets and in the fact the PSD should go 300k plus miles without major work.
All of Ford's engine choices are great depending on what you want.. You really can't go wrong..
Among the unbelievable amoiunt of infor, They have an excell spreadsheet that will compute operating costs and breakeven on the PSD vs gas. You input mileage, fuel/gas costs, maintenance interval and maint. costs - it will output breakeven.
I figure if I pull a 9k lb trailer 10% of the time, and diesel is the same price as gas (in Ca thats true), it costs $15 more for each oil change, I'll breakeven at 51k miles. (This is versus a V10...) Use you own numbers, check it out.
It does NOT take into account Smog inspection costs (and hassle) every two years. Half a day, just pissed away.
And ford-diesel is an absolute must for anyone with a PSD.
Ard
PS. Hey bess, it's true that you don't get extra credit for the smell and noise. If you did, it'd breakeven sooner...
Both engines are great choices.. You can't go wrong.
On thing to ask your dealer of is the DORA (dealer order reciept acknowledgement). This is what the factory gives the dealer to acknowledge that the order has been received by FoMoCo.. On this DORA you can find your 'priority' that the dealer has given you.. (lower the number the better).. The best the dealer can do is a priority 10, (lower numbers are reserved for for special circumstances needing regional rep approval).
You can also ask your dealer if the VIN has been assigned yet, or if the build date has been set yet..
The lighting pattern is piss-poor (IMHO).
Anybody have any upgrades or fixes? Only fix I've found is to trade out to the XL style headlights/buckets and trim, and upgrade to a CIBIE H4 bulb with perhaps higher wattage.
Anyone running higher watts with the plastic aero's? Any source for upgraded harnesses or lenses?
Thanks
Ard
Any gas engine will out accelerate a diesel. So far withg a 7,500 lbs trailer going from the Seattle area to Ocean Shores I was only out of OD about 3 times and never lower than 4th(1:1 drive).
So far I see no need for a Banks setup but would like an exhaust brake. Any body put an exhaust brake on yet. Having fun with this new truck.
Anyone ordering a Ford should look into this.
Has anyone heard the 5.4 is delaying assembly and delivery?
On January 25, 2001, I will be waiting 17 weeks. BNSF.com says that it is in Eola, Illinois, waiting to come to Middleton (Madison) Wisconsin.
Codythedog, is the farm bureau only located in Indiana?. The http://www.farmbureau.com/Incorporated/benefits.htm page only lists a $500 discount for a Dodge.
A dealers allotments change often based on previous sales by that dealer..
We'll look at the engine allotment category for an example, (this is a real world example from a dealer near me, last year).
They had an allotment of 85% psd, 10% V10, 5% 5.4L. This means that only 5% of their monthly shipment of SuperDuty's could have the 5.4L.
This dealer was allowed to get 12 SuperDuty's a month.. So 5% of 12 is less than 1.. (its .6). Which means it would take this dealer at least 2 months before thier order was even accepted for a 5.4L.
If others ordered 5.4L's from the dealer before you, you'd have to wait behind them..
Dealers can submit as many orders as they want, and if the factory has the 'extra' capacity then they may get the truck quick, but there's no guarantee.
The allotment system rewards those dealers who move alot of trucks and plan well. It also allows the factory to properly plan the various production runs..
The fact that your truck is in the rail system is great news, and your wait won't be long now..
It is definately worth the wait, these trucks are awsome..
I was tracking it all the time, it kept getting shifted from one rail yard to the other finally ending up in Naperville, I called Ford Customer Service Daily 1-800-392-3672. Plus I called the Naperville Rail Head yard at 1-630-778-7600 to check the status of shipping once it got there. On your
tracking form, it will have the end rail yard listed. When I called the Naperville yard, I had to tell a tall tale that I was a salesman checking on a delivery. Wish you the best of luck, 17 weeks don't seem bad, I waited 6 months.
Check with your dealer to make sure they'll do it and they know how to do it. It also takes a few weeks to complete membership so you'll need to do it right away cause it sounds like your truck will be here soon.
At least I don't have to worry about rail dust..
I thought 6 months sounded like a lot of time until I realized that I have already waited almost 4 months, and it's still not here. My BNSF search does say the current and final destinations are both Naperville, IL. So I hope to have it by January 26 or sometime in June at the latest.
codythedog
I'll definitely ask at the dealer about the farm bureau credit. Thanks.
replaced your Firestones. Firestone offers a Road Hazard Warranty to those
that originally buy a set of tires from them or have a new vehicle that originally
came with Firestones. Last week I damaged a front tire that was covered under
the road hazard warranty. I went to Firestone to have them check the tire. (Mind
you at time I didn't have the Warranty). The Firestone man told me I had 3
options, he could of told me I only had the first two. 1. I could buy a new tire for
approx. $140.00,2. I could swap it out with my spare and always wonder if the spare will be good if I need to use it. 3. Buy a Road Hazard Warranty for my tires at $12.90 a tire (can buy anytime within 1st yr of ownership of new vehicle). I bought the warranty, he prorated my tire for wear at 4%, the tire cost me $5.16, with the warranty, the tire mounting and taxes, I got out of there for $73.00 , plus I have full road hazard warranty on my tires for the life of the tires. So you might check firestone out if your truck is new or less then a year old.