All I know is that you can't build one on the website with both. I wouldn't think it was worth $8k if you couldn't get it that way. I'd just have aftermarket lcd's put in both headrests, and it would still be cheaper than the factory version with just one screen.
Does anyone know for sure that DVD is not available w/ sunroof?
The Rear Seat DVD Entertainment System is not available with a moon roof. To be honest with you, with the thousands you will be saving going with the CX-9 over the MDX, just go to Best Buy or Circuit City and purchase and have them install a DVD entertainment system.
You have to ask yourself if a factory entertainment system is really worth thousands more?
I would never let the availbility of DVD entertainment dictate the choice of car, particularly because, as you say, there is so much aftermarket stuff out there.
I was pretty fortunate with my moonroofed CX-7 that I could've got the OEM DVD system if I had wanted it. After looking at the Mazda entertainment system, though, I thought it was cheap and NOT a good value. Frankly, it LOOKED like a tacked-on aftermarket unit. I think I ended up spending $200 on a cheapie dual 7" screen unit that slings over the headrests. Granted, we only use it for long-haul vacation trips, but it serves its purpose for a lot less than the Mazda option.
I priced out a sytstem with 4 screens for $1400, which included:
An indash 6.5" lcd w/ dvd player and 5.1 surround, backup camera, 7.3" lcd in the sunvisor, (2) 7" lcd's in the headrests, (3) wireless headphones, and a center channel speaker
It makes you wonder why most manufacterers charge upwards of $1200 for their systems with just one 7" screen.
I need to replace my wife's 1997 Volvo 850 T-5 which she likes because it has good power, handles well, and can fit two dogs (which she trains for hunting). This may be a strange request, but could anyone comment on a Mazda CX-9 vs a Mercedes GL 450? I am not interested in the price difference. I am mostly interested in a vehicle that holds two dogs + paraphenalia, but that handles as much like a sports car as possible. She also doesn't care about Nav, DVD, etc since we don't have kids and the dogs don't watch the DVD. Also, she already has a Toyota Tundra double cab 4x4 which she uses purely in the field, but it is too big for commuting and bringing the dogs along. Thank you in advance for your opinions.
The CX-7 is pretty high up in terms of sportiness, like the Acura RDX. Depending on the size of your dogs, you may find it a bit small. The CX-9 gets some of the Zoom-zoom DNA, but it won't be as sporty due to it's size (16" longer than the CX-7). There's 47 cu. ft. behind the second row. I guess it's a bit of a trade-off.
The GL450 is a much tougher vehicle than the CX-9 in terms of it's chassis. The CX-9 is best relegated to onroad duty, but it is a bit more spacious inside than the Mercedes. Reliability is better for the Mazda, but quality of material definitely goes to the Mercedes. I suppose you get what you pay for in that respect.
I'm sure it is a bit better. Mercedes uses better leather and cloth materials. They don't have many hard surfaces. The comparison they made seems to be more about flow and design rather than materials.
I read alot. I'm not really going on personal experience. More on the experiences of others. They may be biased, but if they are, there sure are alot of them.
I am interested in the CX-9 to replace my current SUV. I found this information on Mazda's corporate site dated 10.30.06.
Mazda Starts Production of the CX-9, its Second Crossover SUV for the North American Market
- Line-off ceremony held at Hiroshima's Ujina Plant No.1 - HIROSHIMA, Japan—Mazda Motor Corporation today held a ‘line-off’ ceremony for the CX-9 crossover sport-utility vehicle (SUV) being built for the North American market at the Ujina Plant No.1 near its global headquarters in Hiroshima. Hisakazu Imaki, Mazda's representative director, chairman of the board, president and CEO, along with approximately 450 staff—comprised of several senior executives, union representatives and employees—attended this ceremony. The Mazda CX-9 will be arriving in North American showrooms in early 2007.
“The CX-9 will be the latest addition to Mazda's product lineup in the all-important North American market, joining the Mazda CX-7, which went on sale there in May”, said Hisakazu Imaki. “CX-9 is a key model aimed at raising the visibility of Mazda in North America and will be an integral part of building the brand. Furthermore, to keep on providing the best Zoom-Zoom products that will exceed our customers' expectations around the globe, we must continue our efforts as 'One Mazda' to build even higher-quality vehicles.”
The Mazda CX-9 is a seven-seat crossover SUV designed and engineered specifically for the North American market. The CX-9 showcases Mazda's unique design and strong, dynamic driving performance as well as an up-market interior with class-leading space and unmatched versatility. The CX-9 debuted at the New York International Auto Show in April 2006, earning high marks for its versatility and remarkable styling that makes a clean break from traditional medium-sized SUVs.
Yep, Canadians can get reamed when it comes to prices. But then again, you don't see many huge SUVs in Canada as you do here in the US, so maybe the lower demand for SUVs this size increases the price.
The same thing goes for luxury/near luxury cars: I remember when I bought my Audi back in 2000, my buddy in Canada priced it out and the exact same model would have cost him $15k more! I laughed and laughed at him.
So bad I can't buy a car in US and drive it to Canada. This SUV has a lot of goodies but the prices seem high. If I just need a 2WD, I will go for Honda Odyssey. To me, a 2WD CX-9 is just a van and Honda is more spacious, better milage, better re-sale value and so on. My problem is that I do need a 7 passenger(not 5+2 kids) 4WD and with all the options, the CX-9 is $50K! I wish Mazda Canada can offer 0% financing to compensate the high price.
I actually doubt that resale is higher on the Odyssey. The crossover market is hot. The 3rd row should be fairly comfortable in it for adults too. You might be able get an AWD Toyota Sienna. I'm not sure if it's available in Canada though.
$50k CDN is an outrageous price for a CX-9. They won't be selling much of them at that price. Then again, a top of the line Odyssey can run you almost $50k CDN, so it's a matter of choosing what best fits your lifestyle.
As Arumage said, the crossover SUV market is hot right now, and will probably remain hot for several more years to come, so the minivans might depreciate more through the years as people make a transition.
First, I think I should go into a little background of myself...
My mother drives a 2004 Acura MDX Premium. Wonderful SUV to say the least. Why did we purchase it over a Honda Pilot? Pretty much because we came up with such a large list of positives: *higher quality leather *firmer, yet more supple ride (if that makes sense) *more power *longer warranty *better door panelings *thicker carpeting *quieter interior *more ambient lighting *standard wood trim that looks better than the optional one in the Pilot *Acura dealership experience *Acura brand name
Now to some, those things may seem trivial, but to us (like many other Americans) those little things which make a luxury vehicle a luxury vehicle are deal breakers. That's not to say a Pilot is bad, but the MDX just comes off as a different flavor of coffee.
As for myself, I drive a 2006 MAZDA3s Grand Touring 5-door automatic with navigation, Bose, moonroof, Sirius, bumper step plate, wheel locks, moonroof deflector --- pretty much fully-loaded. I cannot sum how much I love this car! The sporty handling, the abundance of features (HID headlamps, LED taillights, rainsensing windshield wipers, etc), the gorgeous looks, and the low price are just part of the plethora of praise I give my car.
Now onty my current situation...
My mother is looking for a new SUV. It must have a navigation system in it because after not getting one in her MDX and me getting one in my 3, she has come around after seeing how impressive my 3's nav is. Logically, we have looked at both Acura and Mazda first since we service our cars at David McDavid Acura and El Dorado Mazda.
First, we looked at the RDX. You can tell where Acura took cost-cutting measures on the interior of the RDX because the door panelings (aside from the top-notch leather door inserts) are just average plastic. Everything else on the vehicle was great. The navigation system has a large 8" screen, restaurant reviews, and traffic rerouting. The carpet is quick thick, and the headliner is soft and padded. All in all, the RDX seems like an entry-level luxury SUV because it gets the job done well.
Then, we looked at the CX-7 when I got my second oil change. The coolest feature was the advanced keyless entry, which the RDX does not have. However, the rest of the vehicle was kind of so-so, especially for only 3K less than an RDX with navigation. The leather was of the same above-average grain as the 6, the dashboard was made of hard plastic, the door panelings were hard plastic, the steering wheel did not telescope, the Bose CenterPoint system (while better than my 3's basic Bose) could not compare to the ELS 5.1 in the RDX, there was no Bluetooth, no restaurant reviews, no traffic rerouting, etc. Now for a mainstream brand, not having all those goodies is fine...but for a vehicle that's only 3K less than a luxury vehicle, that pricing scheme doesn't make sense. For us, the RDX won by a long shot.
Like the RDX, the MDX includes the ELS 5.1 audio system with the same superb navigation system. It adds LED taillights, power tilt/telescoping wheel, even higher-quality leather, even thicker carpeting, auto-leveling headlamps, and more.
After carefully reading up about the CX-9 online, we have put it right up there on our list. It's got Bluetooth, a navigation system (however, it's the same one as the CX-7's which cannot compare to Acura's, but it's still a good value nonetheless), ambient lighting, leather door panels, and a more powerful Bose audio system (though I'm not holding my breath as the Bose in my dad's 05 STS - the 15-speaker 5.1 - isn't all it's hyped up to be...just like my 3's), memory seats, HID headlamps with manual leveling control (which is fine by us), LED taillamps, and more. In the end, it will be about 4K less than a comparable MDX.
So either we go for the sportier, more luxurious, more technologically-advanced SUV (MDX) or the more practical, cheaper, sleeker SUV (CX-9). Like they say, you get what you pay for...
The CX-9 should be a great alternative to the 2004 MDX, but it's probably not completely up to par with the new 2007 MDX. It's $8k cheaper though so that should definitely help, and it uses regular fuel instead of premium.
I know it's probably not up to par name-wise, but the upcoming Hyundai Veracruz is a valid alternative too. It has a better power-to-weight ratio and will be available with all the same options (more if they bring all the same options the Koreans get). Hyundai is really stepping up the luxury quotient on this model. They even considered bringing it out under a new luxury brand they intend to create in the near future. (They are working on a RWD V8 sedan too.) It debuts in January at the Detroit auto show, but there are lots of pictures floating around already.
List of features: (Translated from Korean, not sure if the US models will get all of this):
300X Value
17" Nophlange Alloy Wheels Class-leading stain-proof cloth seats (Tri-Coat Swade Material) Manual Air-Con MP3 Audio System Wheel arch/Side Garnish Signal Lamp installed Exterior Mirrors ECM Interior Mirror Rear Spoiler Aero-Blade Wipers LED Door-Courtesy Lamps EBD ABS Dual Front Airbags
300X Deluxe
18" Nophlange Alloy Wheels Deluxe Leather Seats Dual-Zone Auto Air-Con& AQS Premium Sound 8 Speakers with Subwoofer JBL Solar/Privacy Glass Active Headrests Rear Sonar Parking Assist 2nd Row Heated Seats Centre Console with Coolbox Rain-Sensing Aero-Blade Wipers Safety Sunroof Conversation Mirror
300VX Luxury
Adaptive HID Headlights Headlamp Washer LED Rear Taillights Super-vision Cluster Driver's Power Seats Power Lumbar Support Auto Compass Luxury Door Scuff In-Dash 6-Disc Changer Audio
300VX Premier
IMS II Power Adjusting Pedals Power Front Passenger Seats ECM Exterior Mirrors VDC (Vehicle Dynamic Control) Rear Heater/Air-Con Power Tailgate Safety Sunroof
300VXL Supreme
Black Monotone Interior Trim Maple Woodgrain Black Monotone Leather Seats Door Scuff Lamps Side/Curtain Airbags
300VXL Premium
Premium Leather Seats Best-In-Class Leather Quality Brown Two-Tone Seats Brown Door-Trim Black Monotone Interior Trim Speed-Sensitive Power Steering Power Tailgate Safety Sunroof
Looking for a crossover where the second row can be positioned up as close as possible behind the front seat (insert the baby carrier into a base that is always strapped in). That way, you can keep the car seat belted in on that seat but also don't have to tumble the seat to get into the third row. No room is needed between that seat and the back of the front seat as the baby isn't big enough to be in a convertible seat yet. I know the CX9 can tumble forward but will it allow you to slide it up on the track and leave it there? Thanks.
OK, I'm biased because we've ordered a CX-9 (for delivery in January/early February) but I looked at the new MDX last week. First, the space for luggage behind the third row is minimal, like the Pacifica. Second, the radical styling we saw in the prototypes is mainly gone. Third, it's way more expensive. We were able to order the CX-9 at $1K over invoice, a price I'm happy to pay since the Acura dealer won't budge from msrp. Oh, and I also don't mind paying for RUG instead of premium. (I know it's only a coupla hundred dollars/year but still...)
Still happy with our choice. I'll report in February. Our CX-9 is scheduled to be built today in Hiroshima!
I don't think the RDX will be a hot seller simply because it's too expensive. The top of the line CX-7 with the tech package is $4k less, and overall the CX-7 is selling very well since it gives you the option to pay much less by going to a lower trim. The CX-7 also looks more car-like, which helps with buyers that don't want the traditional "boxy" SUV look. That's something to consider.
I've taken a close look at the new MDX, but can't bring myself to pay that much as compared to the CX-9. The CX-9 has the same technology (i.e. bluetooth, touchscreen NAV, AWD, etc) for $8k less (taking the MDX with tech/ent package vs. Grand Touring CX-9 with NAV/ent). Interior quality of the CX-9 is supposedly very nice, so that might also be a close comparison to the MDX. Some might argue that the SH-AWD in the Acura is a superior system, but you would only notice at the track. So at this point the $8k difference is due to Acura's position in the marketplace, i.e. trying to compete against Audi/BMW, and not against Mazda of the new GM crossovers (and the Veracruz).
Yes, the CX-9's middle row slides up and stays. I believe it's adjustable by 6". The Saturn Outlook/GMC Acadia/Buick Enclave does this too, as well as the Hyundai Veracruz. It seems to be a feature available in all the brand new CUV's.
According to Acura, the MDX can tow up to 5000lbs with the tow package. The CX-9 tows 3500lbs. Those differences don't justify the $8k price difference though.
Keep in mind, the Center Point surround sound feature on the 9 spkr Bose system in the CX-7 can only be activated with a CD playing. There is quite a difference. Much clearer then playing the radio.
I saw a black CX-9 yesterday and got a chance to sit inside of it. It was black and likely a base model as it had a cloth interior and minimal bells & whistles inside. Here are my observations:
*doesn't look big from a distance but once you get within 15 feet you start to realize this is a big vehicle! Not too big though. We have an MDX now and are looking for a little more room. The CX-9 seems perfect. Visually, while good looking in pictures, it is that much better looking in person.
*interior is very nice quality and quite substantial. While the CX-9 interior is fine, this is much more sturdy and luxurios.
*second row slides forward and back - great feature.
*3rd row much easier to access as promised. I didn't go back there but seemed bigger than the MDX. Nice cargo area behind the third row as well.
Overall, I was very impressed and think this vehicle is going to be a big success for Mazda, especially if it delivers on the fun to drive promise.
To say that the CX-9 has the same technology as the MDX is an overstatement. The CX-9 just has the basics - Bluetooth, navigation, AWD, V6 engine, premium audio system, and heated seats. The MDX builds upon the basics in a significant way - Bluetooth with navigation POI integration, 8" navigation screen with real-time traffic, Zagat ratings, and 5.3-million more POIs, AWD that transfers torque from side-to-side on the rear axle, a more powerful V6 engine, a much better audio system, and heated seats for the rear seats. That's not all either. However, it is still a matter of preference. For us, the CX-9 will be MORE than enough. We would truly be happy with our decision after buying a fully-loaded CX-9. However, there's also that feeling that I have inside of me that wants to splurge and go all out for a vehicle that's got much more, albeit nonessential, features and a luxury status. It's like comparing a sweater from Old Navy to Polo by Ralph Lauren. They both will keep you warm, but the Polo is more expensive because it has a much higher brand status, thicker material, and (usually) longer durability. In the end, one can't go wrong between either choice.
Don't get me wrong, the MDX will always have more luxury quotient than the CX-9, and I fully understand why one would chose it over the CX-9...similar to getting an Audi over a VW. But if we're going to focus on the differences in AWD and stereo systems, then we might as well look at things like the transmission: the CX-9 has a six-speed transmission, while the MDX has five, which means the CX-9 might give it a good run for its money in the "sporty feel" department due to better gear utilization in its powerband (I hear people complaining that the MDX is slow off the line). The NAV in the CX-9 is touchscreen, while the MDX is button controlled, the latter being more annoying to me.
Additionally the CX-9 also has that attention to detail that I like, (I'm sure the MDX also has all this): leather-wrapped steering wheel and shift knob, LED tail-lights, woven headliner (not the cheap cloth type), indirect interior lighting, and all the other options mentioned in the previous posting that might not be present in the MDX.
So I believe they are much closer than MDX owners would like to believe, but to your point Mazda doesn't have a reputation for high end luxury vehicles, and thus won't attract that specific crowd. So, in the spirit of your comparison, if the MDX is a nice Polo sweater, then the CX-9 is really closer to being nearly the same quality sweater you buy at reduced price at the Polo Outlet store.
The MDX builds upon the basics in a significant way - Bluetooth with navigation POI integration
The Nav system for the CX-9 also has POI's as well.
AWD that transfers torque from side-to-side on the rear axle
Same for the CX-9. In regards to the stereo, the CX-9 has an improved system. We will have to wait to hear it to see the real difference.
Yes, the MDX will have a few more features, but, not too many. The fit and finnish is expected to be better as well, however, it comes with a significant price tag.
I do agree with you that the CX-9 does come with plenty to satisfy the majority, however, there are those that feel the need to get all that the market has to offer. In that case, the MDX is for you.
if the MDX is a nice Polo sweater, then the CX-9 is really closer to being nearly the same quality sweater you buy at reduced price at the Polo Outlet store.
Even though these 2nd row seats slide forward, I doubt if you'd be able to squeeze past them to get to the 3rd row without folding the backs forward. With a carseat in the second row, really the only way to get into the 3rd row will be to fold the 2nd row seat that doesn't have the car seat.
I'm surprised that some of these wider CUVs don't have three way splits to their 3rd row (like the Toyota Sienna) then you could put the car seat in the middle and still be able to flip-fold either side. Even the big Outlooks/Acadias don't do this and they're as wide as a minivan.
The only thing I don't like about the MDX is that it is nearly 9" smaller than the CX-9, but it weighs more. Had they made it a little less porky, it could have been an even better performer.
Oh, I know the CX-9's navigation has POIs as well, all vehicle navigation systems do. I'm just hoping that the numbers associated with the POIs can be dialed through voice activation to a Bluetooth phone like in the MDX.
As for the AWD systems, they are both quite different. Mazda's Active Torque Split AWD can only transfer up to 50% of torque to the rear wheels, and that mostly occurs during slippage. Of that 50% that is on the rear wheels, none is transferred from side-to-side. Instead, either the left or right wheel on the rear axle is braked during cornering when slippage is detected thanks to DSC.
SH-AWD, however, can transfer up to 70% of torque can be sent to the rear wheels, and all of the rear axle torque can be sent fully to either side even with VSA disengaged. That's why the SH-AWD system has been getting a lot of praise around the world since it's the first Honda/Acura AWD system that makes a car perform more like a RWD car than a FWD vehicle, even though their vehicles are FWD-based and most people will hardly notice a difference.
Finally in regards to the audio system, I'm not holding my breath. Since we won't be getting one with a rear entertainment center, we won't get the true 5.1 Surround sound but the 10-speaker CenterPoint audio system, which is virtually identical to the one in the CX-7. Bose systems have been going downhill lately, though again most people could care less.
But in the end, we're still more likely to end up with a CX-9 than a new MDX...
I drive an 02 MDX and am looking for a replacement vehicle. I like the fact that the CX-9 is bigger than the MDX. I expect the space behind the 3rd seat to be significantly larger than the MDX. Reg. fuel is a plus, I drive 45,000 miles a year, in MA premium fuel is $.20-$.45 more. I am disappointed in CX-9 pricing. Once you load up a CX-9 with not so extravagant options like a moonroof and 6CD changer it goes over $40,000, MDX territory. I would expect the MDX to have considerably better resale value which would effectively make the CX-9 more expensive than the MDX. Comments?
Once you load up a CX-9 with not so extravagant options like a moonroof and 6CD changer it goes over $40,000
A CX-9 GT AWD with the moon roof/ Bose Audio package is $36,230. If you add the GT Assistance Package, it goes to $38,730. The MDX is $44,169 when equipped similar. Roughly a $5,440 difference. Which equates to more then $100/mo difference on a 60mo finance, not to mention the use of more expensive Premium fuel, and the higher priced service costs because Acura is considered "high line". The true cost of ownership is substantial if you choose the MDX over the CX-9.
As for resale value, historically the MDX has done very well. However the crossover market is getting very hot right now, and in 5 years time people will have tons of options on used crossovers if reliability keeps up. That might dilute the market.
A fully-loaded CX-9 with navigation, moonfoof, Bose, etc. is about $40K. A fully-loaded MDX with navigation, moonroof, ELS, etc. is about $44K. That's only a $4K difference...
However the crossover market is getting very hot right now, and in 5 years time people will have tons of options on used crossovers if reliability keeps up.
I suspect the SUV/crossover market will have moved to something else by then...just a few years ago mini-vans and full size SUV's were all the rage now having a bad rash is more desirable.
A CX-7 GT AWD with Nav/Bose Audio and moon roof is $38,730, not $40,000. According to Acura.com, a MDX with the Technology Package is $44,169. That is a $5,439 difference. You cannot round up $1,300 for the CX-9, and round down $169 for the MDX.
If you get every option, and really get a "fully loaded" CX-9, it is $39,980, with the Rear Seat Entertainment System, Bose 5.1. No moon roof. You cannot get the RSES with a moon roof, and GT Assistance Package, and add the tow package, it is $39,980.
If you get every option in a true "fully loaded" MDX, it is $48,465 with the Sport and Entertainment Package, according to Acura.com.
Yes, but I was able to order my CX-9 for $1K over invoice back in October. We're expecting our mostly loaded awd GT to arrive in January or early February. When I checked out the new MDX the Acura dealer wasn't willing to budge from msrp. The actual difference is probably greater than the difference in msrp, IOW. Too, using RUG will save a few hundred bux/year vs. premium. Finally, the upcoming onslaught of competing cuv's will further even the playing field.
So far, I'm happy anticipating the CX-9. (It was built in Hiroshima on 12/1 so, it's on the way!)
A CX-9 GT AWD with moonroof/Bose/6CD changer/Grand Touring Assistance package, autodim mirror, splash guards, in-dash MP3 player, and Sirius comes out to $39,440. An MDX with technology package and autodim mirror comes out to $43,495. That comes out to about $4K more.
Now for truly fully-loaded vehicles, the two cannot really be compared. A fully-loaded CX-9 can either have a moonroof or a RES, not both whereas the MDX can have both. Also, a fully-loaded MDX would unclude magnetic dampers, which the CX-9 doesn't have an option for. That's why they can't truly be compared. For nearly-fully-loaded models, they can be.
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The Rear Seat DVD Entertainment System is not available with a moon roof. To be honest with you, with the thousands you will be saving going with the CX-9 over the MDX, just go to Best Buy or Circuit City and purchase and have them install a DVD entertainment system.
You have to ask yourself if a factory entertainment system is really worth thousands more?
I was pretty fortunate with my moonroofed CX-7 that I could've got the OEM DVD system if I had wanted it. After looking at the Mazda entertainment system, though, I thought it was cheap and NOT a good value. Frankly, it LOOKED like a tacked-on aftermarket unit. I think I ended up spending $200 on a cheapie dual 7" screen unit that slings over the headrests. Granted, we only use it for long-haul vacation trips, but it serves its purpose for a lot less than the Mazda option.
An indash 6.5" lcd w/ dvd player and 5.1 surround, backup camera, 7.3" lcd in the sunvisor, (2) 7" lcd's in the headrests, (3) wireless headphones, and a center channel speaker
It makes you wonder why most manufacterers charge upwards of $1200 for their systems with just one 7" screen.
Thank you in advance for your opinions.
The GL450 is a much tougher vehicle than the CX-9 in terms of it's chassis. The CX-9 is best relegated to onroad duty, but it is a bit more spacious inside than the Mercedes. Reliability is better for the Mazda, but quality of material definitely goes to the Mercedes. I suppose you get what you pay for in that respect.
"... the interior of the Grand Touring model mixes color and trim in a cool, sophisticated way that even the Lexus RX350 can't match."
I've driven the RX350 and was very impressed by its interior. Is the Mercedes better than the Lexus?
How do you know this?
Mazda Starts Production of the CX-9, its Second Crossover SUV for the North American Market
- Line-off ceremony held at Hiroshima's Ujina Plant No.1 -
HIROSHIMA, Japan—Mazda Motor Corporation today held a ‘line-off’ ceremony for the CX-9 crossover sport-utility vehicle (SUV) being built for the North American market at the Ujina Plant No.1 near its global headquarters in Hiroshima. Hisakazu Imaki, Mazda's representative director, chairman of the board, president and CEO, along with approximately 450 staff—comprised of several senior executives, union representatives and employees—attended this ceremony. The Mazda CX-9 will be arriving in North American showrooms in early 2007.
“The CX-9 will be the latest addition to Mazda's product lineup in the all-important North American market, joining the Mazda CX-7, which went on sale there in May”, said Hisakazu Imaki. “CX-9 is a key model aimed at raising the visibility of Mazda in North America and will be an integral part of building the brand. Furthermore, to keep on providing the best Zoom-Zoom products that will exceed our customers' expectations around the globe, we must continue our efforts as 'One Mazda' to build even higher-quality vehicles.”
The Mazda CX-9 is a seven-seat crossover SUV designed and engineered specifically for the North American market. The CX-9 showcases Mazda's unique design and strong, dynamic driving performance as well as an up-market interior with class-leading space and unmatched versatility. The CX-9 debuted at the New York International Auto Show in April 2006, earning high marks for its versatility and remarkable styling that makes a clean break from traditional medium-sized SUVs.
Pricing
GS 2WD: $39,595
GT 2WD: $43,955
GS 4WD: $41,595
GT 4WD: $45,955
:surprise:
The same thing goes for luxury/near luxury cars: I remember when I bought my Audi back in 2000, my buddy in Canada priced it out and the exact same model would have cost him $15k more! I laughed and laughed at him.
As Arumage said, the crossover SUV market is hot right now, and will probably remain hot for several more years to come, so the minivans might depreciate more through the years as people make a transition.
My mother drives a 2004 Acura MDX Premium. Wonderful SUV to say the least. Why did we purchase it over a Honda Pilot? Pretty much because we came up with such a large list of positives:
*higher quality leather
*firmer, yet more supple ride (if that makes sense)
*more power
*longer warranty
*better door panelings
*thicker carpeting
*quieter interior
*more ambient lighting
*standard wood trim that looks better than the optional one in the Pilot
*Acura dealership experience
*Acura brand name
Now to some, those things may seem trivial, but to us (like many other Americans) those little things which make a luxury vehicle a luxury vehicle are deal breakers. That's not to say a Pilot is bad, but the MDX just comes off as a different flavor of coffee.
As for myself, I drive a 2006 MAZDA3s Grand Touring 5-door automatic with navigation, Bose, moonroof, Sirius, bumper step plate, wheel locks, moonroof deflector --- pretty much fully-loaded. I cannot sum how much I love this car! The sporty handling, the abundance of features (HID headlamps, LED taillights, rainsensing windshield wipers, etc), the gorgeous looks, and the low price are just part of the plethora of praise I give my car.
Now onty my current situation...
My mother is looking for a new SUV. It must have a navigation system in it because after not getting one in her MDX and me getting one in my 3, she has come around after seeing how impressive my 3's nav is. Logically, we have looked at both Acura and Mazda first since we service our cars at David McDavid Acura and El Dorado Mazda.
First, we looked at the RDX. You can tell where Acura took cost-cutting measures on the interior of the RDX because the door panelings (aside from the top-notch leather door inserts) are just average plastic. Everything else on the vehicle was great. The navigation system has a large 8" screen, restaurant reviews, and traffic rerouting. The carpet is quick thick, and the headliner is soft and padded. All in all, the RDX seems like an entry-level luxury SUV because it gets the job done well.
Then, we looked at the CX-7 when I got my second oil change. The coolest feature was the advanced keyless entry, which the RDX does not have. However, the rest of the vehicle was kind of so-so, especially for only 3K less than an RDX with navigation. The leather was of the same above-average grain as the 6, the dashboard was made of hard plastic, the door panelings were hard plastic, the steering wheel did not telescope, the Bose CenterPoint system (while better than my 3's basic Bose) could not compare to the ELS 5.1 in the RDX, there was no Bluetooth, no restaurant reviews, no traffic rerouting, etc. Now for a mainstream brand, not having all those goodies is fine...but for a vehicle that's only 3K less than a luxury vehicle, that pricing scheme doesn't make sense. For us, the RDX won by a long shot.
Like the RDX, the MDX includes the ELS 5.1 audio system with the same superb navigation system. It adds LED taillights, power tilt/telescoping wheel, even higher-quality leather, even thicker carpeting, auto-leveling headlamps, and more.
After carefully reading up about the CX-9 online, we have put it right up there on our list. It's got Bluetooth, a navigation system (however, it's the same one as the CX-7's which cannot compare to Acura's, but it's still a good value nonetheless), ambient lighting, leather door panels, and a more powerful Bose audio system (though I'm not holding my breath as the Bose in my dad's 05 STS - the 15-speaker 5.1 - isn't all it's hyped up to be...just like my 3's), memory seats, HID headlamps with manual leveling control (which is fine by us), LED taillamps, and more. In the end, it will be about 4K less than a comparable MDX.
So either we go for the sportier, more luxurious, more technologically-advanced SUV (MDX) or the more practical, cheaper, sleeker SUV (CX-9). Like they say, you get what you pay for...
I know it's probably not up to par name-wise, but the upcoming Hyundai Veracruz is a valid alternative too. It has a better power-to-weight ratio and will be available with all the same options (more if they bring all the same options the Koreans get). Hyundai is really stepping up the luxury quotient on this model. They even considered bringing it out under a new luxury brand they intend to create in the near future. (They are working on a RWD V8 sedan too.) It debuts in January at the Detroit auto show, but there are lots of pictures floating around already.
List of features: (Translated from Korean, not sure if the US models will get all of this):
300X Value
17" Nophlange Alloy Wheels
Class-leading stain-proof cloth seats (Tri-Coat Swade Material)
Manual Air-Con
MP3 Audio System
Wheel arch/Side Garnish
Signal Lamp installed Exterior Mirrors
ECM Interior Mirror
Rear Spoiler
Aero-Blade Wipers
LED Door-Courtesy Lamps
EBD ABS
Dual Front Airbags
300X Deluxe
18" Nophlange Alloy Wheels
Deluxe Leather Seats
Dual-Zone Auto Air-Con& AQS
Premium Sound 8 Speakers with Subwoofer JBL
Solar/Privacy Glass
Active Headrests
Rear Sonar Parking Assist
2nd Row Heated Seats
Centre Console with Coolbox
Rain-Sensing Aero-Blade Wipers
Safety Sunroof
Conversation Mirror
300VX Luxury
Adaptive HID Headlights
Headlamp Washer
LED Rear Taillights
Super-vision Cluster
Driver's Power Seats
Power Lumbar Support
Auto Compass
Luxury Door Scuff
In-Dash 6-Disc Changer Audio
300VX Premier
IMS II
Power Adjusting Pedals
Power Front Passenger Seats
ECM Exterior Mirrors
VDC (Vehicle Dynamic Control)
Rear Heater/Air-Con
Power Tailgate
Safety Sunroof
300VXL Supreme
Black Monotone Interior Trim
Maple Woodgrain
Black Monotone Leather Seats
Door Scuff Lamps
Side/Curtain Airbags
300VXL Premium
Premium Leather Seats
Best-In-Class Leather Quality
Brown Two-Tone Seats
Brown Door-Trim
Black Monotone Interior Trim
Speed-Sensitive Power Steering
Power Tailgate
Safety Sunroof
Still happy with our choice. I'll report in February. Our CX-9 is scheduled to be built today in Hiroshima!
Jay
I've taken a close look at the new MDX, but can't bring myself to pay that much as compared to the CX-9. The CX-9 has the same technology (i.e. bluetooth, touchscreen NAV, AWD, etc) for $8k less (taking the MDX with tech/ent package vs. Grand Touring CX-9 with NAV/ent). Interior quality of the CX-9 is supposedly very nice, so that might also be a close comparison to the MDX. Some might argue that the SH-AWD in the Acura is a superior system, but you would only notice at the track. So at this point the $8k difference is due to Acura's position in the marketplace, i.e. trying to compete against Audi/BMW, and not against Mazda of the new GM crossovers (and the Veracruz).
At least the CX9 can tow more than 2000lb...
*doesn't look big from a distance but once you get within 15 feet you start to realize this is a big vehicle! Not too big though. We have an MDX now and are looking for a little more room. The CX-9 seems perfect. Visually, while good looking in pictures, it is that much better looking in person.
*interior is very nice quality and quite substantial. While the CX-9 interior is fine, this is much more sturdy and luxurios.
*second row slides forward and back - great feature.
*3rd row much easier to access as promised. I didn't go back there but seemed bigger than the MDX. Nice cargo area behind the third row as well.
Overall, I was very impressed and think this vehicle is going to be a big success for Mazda, especially if it delivers on the fun to drive promise.
but the CX-9 Grand Touring also has HID's, rain sensing wipers, memory seat, smart card, 3 zone auto a/c that are just a little more than the basics.
but more money buys you more goodies.
Additionally the CX-9 also has that attention to detail that I like, (I'm sure the MDX also has all this): leather-wrapped steering wheel and shift knob, LED tail-lights, woven headliner (not the cheap cloth type), indirect interior lighting, and all the other options mentioned in the previous posting that might not be present in the MDX.
So I believe they are much closer than MDX owners would like to believe, but to your point Mazda doesn't have a reputation for high end luxury vehicles, and thus won't attract that specific crowd. So, in the spirit of your comparison, if the MDX is a nice Polo sweater, then the CX-9 is really closer to being nearly the same quality sweater you buy at reduced price at the Polo Outlet store.
The Nav system for the CX-9 also has POI's as well.
AWD that transfers torque from side-to-side on the rear axle
Same for the CX-9. In regards to the stereo, the CX-9 has an improved system. We will have to wait to hear it to see the real difference.
Yes, the MDX will have a few more features, but, not too many. The fit and finnish is expected to be better as well, however, it comes with a significant price tag.
I do agree with you that the CX-9 does come with plenty to satisfy the majority, however, there are those that feel the need to get all that the market has to offer. In that case, the MDX is for you.
I like that analogy!
I'm surprised that some of these wider CUVs don't have three way splits to their 3rd row (like the Toyota Sienna) then you could put the car seat in the middle and still be able to flip-fold either side. Even the big Outlooks/Acadias don't do this and they're as wide as a minivan.
As for the AWD systems, they are both quite different. Mazda's Active Torque Split AWD can only transfer up to 50% of torque to the rear wheels, and that mostly occurs during slippage. Of that 50% that is on the rear wheels, none is transferred from side-to-side. Instead, either the left or right wheel on the rear axle is braked during cornering when slippage is detected thanks to DSC.
SH-AWD, however, can transfer up to 70% of torque can be sent to the rear wheels, and all of the rear axle torque can be sent fully to either side even with VSA disengaged. That's why the SH-AWD system has been getting a lot of praise around the world since it's the first Honda/Acura AWD system that makes a car perform more like a RWD car than a FWD vehicle, even though their vehicles are FWD-based and most people will hardly notice a difference.
Finally in regards to the audio system, I'm not holding my breath. Since we won't be getting one with a rear entertainment center, we won't get the true 5.1 Surround sound but the 10-speaker CenterPoint audio system, which is virtually identical to the one in the CX-7. Bose systems have been going downhill lately, though again most people could care less.
But in the end, we're still more likely to end up with a CX-9 than a new MDX...
A CX-9 GT AWD with the moon roof/ Bose Audio package is $36,230. If you add the GT Assistance Package, it goes to $38,730. The MDX is $44,169 when equipped similar. Roughly a $5,440 difference. Which equates to more then $100/mo difference on a 60mo finance, not to mention the use of more expensive Premium fuel, and the higher priced service costs because Acura is considered "high line". The true cost of ownership is substantial if you choose the MDX over the CX-9.
Just things to consider when buying a vehicle.
I suspect the SUV/crossover market will have moved to something else by then...just a few years ago mini-vans and full size SUV's were all the rage now having a bad rash is more desirable.
If you get every option, and really get a "fully loaded" CX-9, it is $39,980, with the Rear Seat Entertainment System, Bose 5.1. No moon roof. You cannot get the RSES with a moon roof, and GT Assistance Package, and add the tow package, it is $39,980.
If you get every option in a true "fully loaded" MDX, it is $48,465 with the Sport and Entertainment Package, according to Acura.com.
So far, I'm happy anticipating the CX-9. (It was built in Hiroshima on 12/1 so, it's on the way!)
Jay
A CX-9 GT AWD with moonroof/Bose/6CD changer/Grand Touring Assistance package, autodim mirror, splash guards, in-dash MP3 player, and Sirius comes out to $39,440. An MDX with technology package and autodim mirror comes out to $43,495. That comes out to about $4K more.
Now for truly fully-loaded vehicles, the two cannot really be compared. A fully-loaded CX-9 can either have a moonroof or a RES, not both whereas the MDX can have both. Also, a fully-loaded MDX would unclude magnetic dampers, which the CX-9 doesn't have an option for. That's why they can't truly be compared. For nearly-fully-loaded models, they can be.