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Acura TL vs Lexus IS 250 vs Acura TSX
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This has been gone over again and again.
Actually, the Odyssey, RL, TL, TSX, MDX, and Accord are all Accords.
Using the same logic, the BMW 3-series, X3, M3, Z4, and Mini Cooper are all 325i's.
So what?
Biker, who test drove a 6MT IS250, found it pleasant but somewhat bland with a small trunk and rear seat.
Although not exactly the same engine - it is basically the same - the stroke of the TL is slightly longer - that is why the TL is 3.2L and the Accord is 3.0L - but the pistons for example are the same as are the - oil pump - oil pan - valves - fuel system - bla bla bla - also things like AC compressor power steering unit brake master cylinder are THE SAME.
I also think the automatic tranny is the same (but not the manual).
Look at both cars and things like the steering wheel are really the same (except the badge) - I also wonder why both the TL and V6 Accord have the exact same turning circle (if they have different steering it sure does not show)
But SO WHAT - there is NOTHING WRONG with sharing things - the cars ride, handling and looks are different.
I would guess that parts sharing allows Honda to sell the TL for THOUSANDS less - and that makes it a good value.
Which would make the pistons different - but the rest of the engine (crank shaft) the same.
If you pay $700 for a routine service on any car, you're getting ripped off.
And the RDX motor is quirky? I hadn't heard that. Can you provide a link?
http://reviews.cnet.com/4531-10921_7-6542178.html
For 99 and newer BMW's, the recommended service interval is as follows:
15,000 miles (24,000 km) - Oil Service
30,000 miles (48,000 km) - Inspection I
45,000 miles (72,000 km) - Oil Service
Inspection I consists of:
* Change engine oil and filter
* Check transmission for leaks.
* Check rear axle for leaks.
* Check fuel tank, lines, and connections for leaks.
* Check condition, position, and mounting of exhaust system.
* Check power steering system for leaks.
* Check overall thickness of front and rear disc brake pads.
* Examine brake disc surfaces.
* Clean brake pad contact points in calipers.
* Grease wheel center hubs.
* Check steering for absence of play, condition of suspension track rods, front axle joints, steering linkage, and joint disc.
* Check front control arm bushing for wear.
* Check brake and clutch system connectors and lines for leaks, damage, and incorrect positioning.
* Check for free movement of the parking brake cables. Adjust parking brake if necessary.
* Check all tire pressures (including spare). Correct if necessary.
* Check condition of tires (outer surfaces (left/right)), tread wear and pattern; In case of uneven tread wear readjust wheel alignment if required.
An oil service shouldn't cost any more than $40 or $50. Even an inspection I takes less than 1 hour to complete. It shouldn't have cost more than $100 to $150.
If you paid $700 for these services, then you were ripped off - live and learn right? Just don't go telling other people to avoid buying a BMW because they are expensive to maintain.
Remember the idiom, "a fool and his money are easily parted."
I would remind you that in your original statement, all you said was: "BMW makes a good car, but the tank dash and $700 services were a waste. To the 3 series lovers, go check out acura and lexus - you may never go back."
I'm glad to hear you were a thoughtful owner, getting intermediate oil changes in between BMW's ridiculously long factory service intervals. Even so, it still doesn't explain the hideous amount of money you paid for preventative maintenance. "A few services" over $400 and at 2 services in the $600 - $700 range are not routine BMW ownership expenses.
The fact is, if you own a 1999 or newer BMW, the only services you need are: Periodic oil/filter changes, a 48,000 km Inspection I, and annual fluid flushes (engine coolant and transmission, differential, and brake fluids).
Yours was an atypical BMW ownership experience at best (and also moot since BMW now has free maintenance for the first 4 years/50,000 miles).
Oh, and yes I've been a BMW owner since summer 2005.
I don't think the "tank dash" is harsh. I don't care for any of the German interiors. I find Acura and Lexus (and infinity now improving) interiors more luxurious and overall look more pleasing. However, I love the 99 and newer M3's. So, I'd be able to handle the lack luster..wall of black tank interior for fantastic performance.
Atypical experience. Perhaps. Until the designers of BMW get the look of the 3 series and 5 together, i'll stick with the Japanese.
I grew up on Japanese sports cars. I even owned a 2004 TSX for 2 years and loved it - fun to drive and a great interior.
I switched to BMW in 2005 and I'm not going back anytime soon.
By the way, welcome to the Forums!
I didn't see this specifically referenced in the link you provided, but what you describe sounds exactly like the TSX drive by wire "lag" issue. Disappointing that Acura hasn't resolved this in the almost four years since the TSX came out.
The article talks mostly about non-linear acceleration due to the turbo, not so much what you describe.
Thanks for the link.
Dire Straits is easy listening? When did this happen?
So, the TSX is rated for the 07MY at 205hp but if it was based on teh old standard would be between 210 and 215 probably.
I'm pretty sure the standard started to take affect for the 06MY because the numbers i quoted above were for 06 models compared to the 2005 models. So the 2006 205hp is probably 210hp in 2005 terms.
Just as a totally unrelated note. My brother was quite blown away this week on the highway when his g35 would pull away from me very slowly after 140km/hr. Infact, from 140-200km I was within 3 car lengths away. Not bad for a "under powered" car! Not to mention the interior, stero, navi, materials used in the cabin seem better quality than the 05 g35. Although, a collegue at work has an 05' 911 turbo....now that's sick power! Rip your face off in every gear. I'd just have to get over the lawn mower sound/feel of the engine under 3000rmp...hmmmm....I think i could!
You know, I thought my car got a little slower last year.
Here in California, you may have a Ferrari and you still have to follow traffic or wait in line at the stop light.
Yes, TL may be faster but the maneuverability of TSX is better.
For TSX/TL maneuverability test, CA Hwy 1 is much better. Remember scenes from the "Basic Instinct"?
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
Yes I remeber that about you.
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
I feel the same way about Lexus, but I do have a reason. Great cars with regard to quality and luxury, but borrrrring! I'm getting sleepy just thinking about them.
Or is it that there are more jerks driving TLs than TSXs?
I find the latter more believable than the former (present company excluded, of course)
Once I was done multi-tasking, nailed the gas, blew by you and got pulled over for doing 110 in my office building parking lot... :P :shades:
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)