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it be best to wait on using our own oil for as long as we can . Why use our gas when we can use others and then when there is very little left we can use our own and laugh at them all.
However we still need to conserve as much as possible.
ethanol using switchgrass and other high yield crops is one way , bio diesel is another way . So are other renewable resources like solar and wind .
All these can lower the consumption
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...is to have the government threaten to build the refineries itself and then force the oil companies to buy them.
We all know how inefficient the government is, so the threat of being forced to pay for the government to build a refinery might just light a fire under the behind of the oil companies to do it themselves.
Being that they could build them cheaper than government.
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I like it.
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The weapons are 10$/gallon aimed right at your wallet like a cruise missile and raising CAFE standards to 40 mpg as the trench.
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What's your point?
How much does the refining stage add to the cost of a gallon of gas? Unless everything that I've read is grossly inaccurate its about 10-15 cents? So how could having more refineries reduce the price of gas by more than that?
Oh, no. Heaven forbid! The world has maxed out it's oil production! Peak oil is heeere! We're all gunna die!
Yes I do believe that we are nearing Peak Oil. I could be wrong but I don't care because I am more certain that global warming is a very real problem and burning fossil fuels aggravates the situation. So I could care less whether we have 1 year of oil left or 1 million years. We need to stop burning oil.
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Though I'd like to see new refineries AND increased gas mileage.
Cheap gas and 40 MPG... Paradise!
The only roadblock is the lack of will by both the oil companies and our government.
If construction started now, it would take but 2-3 years to build thermal depolymerization and coal gasification facilities.
(Though, I wonder why the coal industry doesn't build coal gasification facilities. Wouldn't they want to expand their market?)
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I do agree that drilling in our untapped oil fields would probably take a long time to be brought into production. What with new pipelines, oil rigs, etc, etc. needing to be built.
Yea sure , that way the government can give the refinerys to them for 1$
That is the way this country works . Why do you think there is a big deal about iminent domain (did i spell that right?) . The goverment took land away from home owners at very low prices and sold it to companys for a very low price.
I rather them put in tougher laws that will require new refinerys built and older ones closed down. I highly doubt those refinerys built in the 60s and 70s would be as efficent and as clean as new ones built in the 2000s
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Don't you realize that the cost to refine the oil is trivial?
It's the amount of gasoline supplied versus the demand for gasoline that causes the price to skyrocket or plummet.
And right now, American refineries produce roughly 400,000 barrels of gasoline less than our demand. So the price skyrockets.
Increase the amount refineries can supply so that it matches demand... and you'll see the price of gas reflect production costs plus a small profit.
Rocky
I'm not suprised one bit you feel no urgency to raise the mininum wage, but support the oil cartel in their need to raise the price of a gallon of gas. :mad:
Rocky
In 2004 dollars the component of gasolines cost due to distribution, marketing, and refining has remained fairly constant. In 1968 it was 82 cents per gallon. It hit a high of 94 cents per gallon in 1980. For the past 20 years it has fluctuated between 44 and 61 cents a gallon.
http://www.urban.org/uploadedPDF/900836_gasoline_prices.pdf
The people who paraded outside the gates of construction sites and lobbied for rule changes can only blame themselves now.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Yet it seems like we're listening to them again.
Rocky
It's a sad day when some cheese-eating surrender monkeys actually beat us in something.
They also reprocess there spent fuel, thus no need for a Yuca Mountain.
Rocky
These folks are idiots.
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And we are different, how ?
Rocky
I understand your logic, but you're not looking at supply and demand. More supply - lower prices. Less supply - higher prices. If refining is a capacity limiter then it doesn't matter how much refining costs - it would drive the price way up.
I seriously doubt that.
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C. don't build em' at all. The greenies are changing there mind on Nuclear Power. I want Nuclear Power, but I agree alternatives should also have R&D monies allocated to fund these projects.
Rocky
I'm nore sure where you get the idea that I support the oil cartel in their need to raise the price of a gallon of gas. I was against allowing Exxon-Mobile merger even during Clinton administration.
The real issue is that Exxon-Mobil, Chevron-Texaco and BP-Amocco should never have been allowed to merged. More oil companies more competition would have led to more aggressive refinery building as well as more exploration and drilling.
In 1914, the Interior Department forecast that there was only a 10 year supply of oil left; in 1939, it forecast that oil would run out by 1952. In 1951, the department warned that the supply would dry up by the mid 1960s. In the 1970s, President Carter warned that the world's proven reserves could be exhausted by 1990. Yet between 1980 and 2002, proven global oil reserves increased by 300 billion barrels.
The amount of oil and gas needed to produce a dollar of economic growth dropped by 55% between 1973 and 2003. The country now spends only about 7% of gross domestic procuct on energy-related expenditures, compared with 14% in 1981. Energy now consumes about 5.4% of disposable income, down from more than 8% in the early 1980s.
In 1860, prior to advances in drilling techniques, oil sold for $4 a barrel --the equivalent of $400 a barrel in today's wage-adjusted prices. If gasoline cost today what it cost a family in 1900 (relative to income), the price would be about $10 per gallon.
Certainly $3 for a gallon of gas will cause some short-term pain, but you may want to view the current situation in light of history.
Steve, you see it exactly correct. By the time the our will to really do something about it gets strong, it will be way too late. Before this century is out humanity will have severe crises. Oil will be one big factor. It cracks me up when headlines scream that $3/gal gas is a "crisis"!
It probably won't be too bad for another decade or two. But I do worry for my kids.
We give up much more easily, which may or may not be a bad thing.
Get all the car makers that want to sell vehicals in this country to sit down with a round table talk and a small group from the goverment (make it public so we can all hear whats going on) figure out whats reasonable to increase mpg in each segment of vehical and in each time frame . Make short term goals and long term goals .
After that set up a series of time frames for alternative fuel. I believe that ethanol in some quanity would be the easiest way to move foward . Perhaps a ethanol / diesel two prong change would work best . Either build x amount of flex fuel vehicals by y year or x amount of diesels by y year (or a mixture) . From there steadly increase the amounts per year untill a reasonable goal is met (hopefully every car in the fleet)
Continue to work on hybrid tech and produce it (ethanol , gas and diesel hybrids are all possible and efficeny should increase) . ALso work on electric and hydrogen tech and hopefully we can move to that in the future .
Takeit a step further. Cars are not the only way we use oil . For household and busniess power we should increase the alternative power .
A good way to start would be to create tax breaks that would make solar power more attractive to home owners and busnieses (as i've said i doubt its possible for everyone to have wind power generators) make laws that will force power companys to pay the households that give back power through out the day to the grid . That will also help to reduce the overall cost of owning solar panels . Also to continue to fund solar tech .
Once we get the ball rolling on these techs break throughs will come quicker and quicker and so will the cost reductions .
This wont get fixed over night however we can start making strong strides today .
Mileage could be raised by 30% with just shifting to diesel vehicles. Then start growing crops for biodiesel. I see flex fuel and ethanol as a big step backward. Not a single FFV sold in this country runs as efficiently on E85 as regular unleaded. Where is the progress there?
I agree that something needs to be done. The one thing that gets overlooked in our anxiety is for every action there is a reaction. We witnessed the MTBE debacle and we are already seeing the after affects of corn ethanol production. If you think that ADM cares about the nitrogen leaching into the rivers and streams you are mistaken. They only see $$$$ signs and a government handout.
I think that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
I almost expected you to say " Four score and seven years ago.... "
I think we are here because we made it so...
it is very elementary...
You are nice.....the MTBE produced one of the most expensive ,ill conceived , abortion we all had to pay for.
that is my recall......it may be wrong...but I am talking about number of nuclear plants, not percentage of energy generated.
Be cynical all you want...but this is a fact that most people , military or civilian, will agree on....unless you are far left of Osama...and the World Trade Center was just a sand castle waiting to be demolished.
With newer designs and tech...I think it may be time to start again....but of course, we must secure the waste materials from terrorists....
exactly what the big picture says....we are not doing that bad....except alot of low wage earners should think twice before buying a car.....and invest in education or oil stock...
Rocky
By scapegoating, you are diverting attention from the need for all to conserve and decrease gas usage.
Oh well....you did get one part right: saying that Most Americans will continue to waste and pay and complain. And the cure will come maybe a little too late.
Russia lost...and many countries opted for US help and democracy. You know, most people ( not the vocal minority that gets the media attention) are thankful of the US help. People in China and Taiwan are thankful.
Most Iraqi's are thankful. Many got to avoid getting gassed, being led to rape chambers , beaten up for losing in the Olympics, etc....
but I can see your liberal leanings makes you a cynic, eh ?
But in most of my travels, deep down, people want to emulate US democracy and US way of life.
Solving the worlds problems cost this country and the tax payers money and if you've paid to economics one helluva alot of DEBT. :mad: Instead of solving problems and spending R&D on alternative energys, funding schools, helping the poor in this country, we instead are sending Multi-Billions in aide to the third world country's, some of which ends up in dictators hands, and the drug lord underground. Hey I don't mind lending a hand, but I don't want us to pay for 95% of the bill like we have in Iraq. Isn't that what the U.N. was created for to share responsibility of the worlds problems :confuse:
We also have other major issues like illegal imigration, a mess unfixed and under funded in Lousiana, a rapid loss of good paying jobs, trade issues, prescription drug costs that has no check and balance, health insurance costs, gas prices, oil/gas shortages, lack of funding for alternative energy's,
If these issues make me a leftist liberal highender, than I'm very proud to be one.
Rocky
P.S. I see you can speak Deutch. I wished I could.