2007 Honda CR-V

stevedebi

"I'll take the 269 HP RAV4 with 28 mpg over the 156 HP CRV with 27 mpg"

I suspect that the actual values in town will be worse for the heavier RAV4. I wouldn't be surprised if it got around 15-16 in town. My 2003 CR-V EX got 21-22 in town.

turbocrv

New 2007 Honda CR-V for European Version only:
Before (poor quality picture)


After (better quality picture)

drive62

There's a new RAV4. And a new CR-V coming. What about the Forester? If they do a redesign will it still have it's antiquated sub 100" wheelbase?? Talk about behind the times.

ateixeira

The next generation is due for MY09. The Impreza will debut first, probably MY08, 2nd half of next calendar year.

Rumors are that the Impreza will get a 105" plus wheelbase, so Forester would get at least that size, if the rumor turns out to be true.

While I need more space, you'd be surprised, I'm in the minority. A lot of current owners do *not* want to see it grow, some of these really aren't compacts any more.

Subaru might keep the Forester small and then come out with a people mover on the same chassis. Think Mazda5.

-juice

robertsmx

Don't lay too much emphasis on EPA estimates. Besides, in recent years, my experience with Toyotas have been that they don't or sometimes barely meet their estimates. OTOH, I somehow manage to easily meet or beat EPA estimates in Hondas. Not sure why that would happen, but my guess is that Honda tends to be conservative, and Toyota, well...

That said, Edmunds road test for 2002 CR-V/AWD returned 22 mpg overall (now with 5-speed auto, it should do better). 2006 Rav4 returned 19 mpg in their road test.

So, while Rav4 is more powerful, it does indeed burn more fuel as well. Again, proving that EPA estimates should not be used to judge mileage.

I would expect the new CR-V to meet or beat the current CR-V in terms of fuel economy. And while you're at it, concerned at 1 mpg here or there in fuel economy, also consider that Rav4 V6 costs $2K more upfront.

ateixeira

That was a V6 model though, not really fair to compare V6 fuel economy to the CR-V's 4 banger. There is a significant difference in performance.

Plus car mag editors will put the pedal to the metal on more powerful V6 models, to enjoy that extra oomph.

-juice

stevedebi

"Plus car mag editors will put the pedal to the metal on more powerful V6 models, to enjoy that extra oomph. "

I have to disagree, they put the pedal to the metal on all their cars, hence the poor MPG they consistenly report.

lahiri

CR-V 2006 starts at nearly $21000 (if you include the destination charge). But that's just the sticker. I paid $19000 for mine (purchased 3 weeks back). My base model is equipped with ABS, stability assist, side airbags (seat mounted as well as curtain), power locks/ mirrors/ windows, keyless entry, 5 speed auto tranny, cruise, CD and Casette players, anti-theft alarm, heat radiating glass, chrome tip on exhaust, splash guards, etc. A similarly equipped RAV4 costs you a lot more. I hope Honda won't raise the price too much and still keep nicely equipped models affordable.

joecarnut

I agree with your statement about not too much emphasis on EPA estimates and your experience with Toyotas.

We have a Toyota Corolla thats supposed to get 30 city and 38 highway and just barely broken in.

Well we just got 38 mpg highway with the A/C running most of the way.

mnf

How many miles on the Corolla and at what hwy speed. Wow thats great mileage...

robertsmx

At 65 mph, my 1998 Accord will get me 33 mpg, and it is rated at only 30 mpg. And I get 30+ mpg at 75 mph. So, even at high speeds, the Honda beats EPA estimate. I should say, handily.

robertsmx

The comparison was to address this claim... "The CRV HAS LESS HP AND USES MORE GAS!" which is clearly not the case.

bobob20032000

I am just saying that Toyota needs to redesign their car as soon as possible because they are going to lose sales to the CR-V. Toyota poorly designed the car. The car needs more horsepower and better fuel economy in order to compete. Also get rid of the wheel in the back, add a navigation, add a surround sound system, radar cruise control, hid headlights, power seats, heated and cooled seats, rear heated seats, panoramic sunroof, V8, smart key, and similar options to the ML350.

ateixeira

Gotcha, I just think it's funny that the official HP and MPG numbers aren't even out yet and people have already made conclusions based on inaccurate data for the RAV4.

I read one report about how EPA numbers are way off, and Honda was on both the list of cars that do better than EPA figures (S2000) and the list that does worse (but I forget the model).

Point is, we should not generalize and assume the CR-V will beat EPA numbers that we don't even have yet.

-juice

ateixeira

V8 in a compact SUV? And you realize that with all that stuff in it you're talking $40 grand easily?

The "poorly designed" RAV4 is selling like hotcakes and they can't even meet demand. Wake up.

-juice

thegraduate

I agree. The dash design (gearshift and e-brake) were my two favorite things about our 2002 LX CR-V. They were ingenious, IMO. The location for the gearshift was great because it didn't block any other main controls, but still sprouted like a conventional column-shifter. I actually hate to hear that the CR-V is going more "mainstream" now.

thegraduate

Are you seriously talking about putting a V8 and expensive luxury features (smart-key, radar cruise control, etc..) to an entry level SUV? Why wouldn't they save those things for the Lexus RX350, or shoot, even the more uplevel Highlander. No car company should make a model with such a price large price spread. Look what happened with the VW Passat W8. It was a $40k+ car, and people don't want a $40k car that can be confused with a $20k car, hence, sales never took off. Trust me, the ML350 is not a RAV4 competitor. It's got real off-road skills, a plethora of engine choices that extend into the 400+ hp range, and a pricetag that STARTS at double what the RAV4 starts at. They aren't competitors in the least. If you want the features, you should be shopping for a Lexus RX350 (assuming you are a Toyota-fan).

joecarnut

Thats 65 mph for the most part and with only about 800 miles on the odometer to start the trip.

drive62

The next generation is due for MY09.

I guess that could be looked at two ways. First, they are biding their time to see what the competition is doing (but in reality with lead times for development this is probably not the case). Second, they don't feel they have to introduce a new model even though the competition is. I don't think the Forester has ever burned up the small SUV sales charts so IMHO the current Forester will be a non issue in the category.

While I need more space, you'd be surprised, I'm in the minority. A lot of current owners do *not* want to see it grow, some of these really aren't compacts any more.

I agree with you. Besides not being compacts, they are not entry level anymore with all the extras they have and of course the price to match.

bobob20032000

Also the price of a Rav4 is too expensive.

CR-V SE 4WD: $25,450
Rav4 Limited V6 4WD: $25,870

$420 more with just base of top of the line.

Toyota should add more standard features and cut the price 3K down so
it can be affordable instead of overpriced.

robertsmx

So, what made you compare top of the line CR-V to base AWD V6/Limited model of Rav4?

It will help if you consider that Rav4 Limited V6/AWD with side airbags, leather trimmed heated seats and moonroof carries an MSRP of $29,560. These are standard features in CR-V SE/AWD at $25,450.

bobob20032000

Okay, now that proves my point on how overpriced Toyota is.
$4110 rip off buying a Toyota when Honda has the same feature/more features at a lower price.

Honda will overpower Toyota.

yysyys

"I am affraid to say this ....again.... but the new 07 CRV looks much better in person. I would hope readers would hold judgement until they see it in person, it will blow you away.
I will just quickly go over some things which really stood out..
-Modern looking lines, looks like a Lexus RX330 at a quick glance.
-Interior is in a class of its own, beats toyota by miles, in quality of materials and fit and finish. Gear shift is in right place.
-Rear seat is now 40/20/40 split
- Engine is pretty much carried over with 10HP advantage, so its 166HP same 2.4 liter,
-Handling is much improved, 35%-40% more quieter than current crv, handling feels a lot more planted. Suspension has been reworked.
-Standard 17" wheels and larger tires W/ VSA standard
-Standard Mp3 Jack on all trim models
-Sorry no more picnic table.
-Moonroof controls are in the right place...finally, above the rear view mirror.
-Fuel economy is up 1 mpg on HWY.
-Navigation available, not until December
-Release date Sept 28, 2006 "

ateixeira

when Honda has the same feature/more features

No, clearly it does not have a V6, the most important feature if you think about it.

You must've drank the Kool Aid.



You wouldn't happen to be Hondabro, would you?

-juice

robertsmx

But should a V6 cost $4K? I think that is at least $2K too much.

drive62

-Moonroof controls are in the right place...finally, above the rear view mirror.

How long have you sold Hondas? I've driven them for almost 20 years and the moonroof controls were always left of the steering column.

"right place" - yeah if you are a domestic POS. Further evidence of the aquiescing of Honda.

drive62

No, clearly it does not have a V6, the most important feature if you think about it.

Can't figure you out. You say these vehicles have gotten too big, etc. yet you feel they have to have a V6??

Who can give me a 4 cylinder compact SUV with a price of about $20K? Used to be a bunch including Toyota and Honda. Now it's Hyundai and Kia.

robertsmx

You can still get Element and CR-V (and they have all safety and basic features standard) for $20K or less (even going by MSRP).

ralph9

Will the 2007 CR-V have folding outside rearview mirrors? The extra width on the vehicle is problematic for me getting it through the single garage door opening without ripping them asunder. Thanks. Ralph

jaxs1

That's crazy. If you can't get in the garage because of the mirror, you wouldn't be able to open the doors once you got in the garage.
It's still a CR-V, so it won't be that huge or incredibly wide. It's not a full size SUV.

thegraduate

That's crazy. If you can't get in the garage because of the mirror, you wouldn't be able to open the doors once you got in the garage.

Most garage doors aren't as wide as the actual garage, no?

I wouldn't think that a tight fit thru the door necessarily means a tight squeeze to get out. It sure doesn't in our garage, you can see the extra room on this picture, and it's the norm for my neighborhood.

See more Car Pictures at CarSpace.com

There is another garage door just to the left edge of the picture.

ralph9

Do you know if the mirrors fold? That was my question, but you gave a wise [non-permissible content removed] response instead.

harvey44

My gargage is the same as yours - tight fit in through the door - plenty of room to open the door once you get inside. Although mine is wide enough so I don't need to fold in the mirrors. Can't answer you for sure but I'd bet they will fold in. I've been buying hondas for a looong time and new ones are RARELY less functional than the ones they replace.

lahiri

I bought a new 06 CR-V 2WD LX 3 weeks back and I paid $19,000.

ateixeira

I never said it had to have a V6. I just pointed out that he compared the wrong (V6) model when Toyota sells a cheaper and more equivalent 4 cylinder model. We should compare those, apples to apples.

Comparing a V6 to a 4 is like Watermelons to Apples.

I also never said I prefer Watermelons.

So a 4 banger would probably cut the $4000 difference in half, and then remember that the 07 CR-V's prices are expected to go up by $1200 or so. So we're talking a mere $800, and remember Toyota has a 67% longer powertrain warranty, the option of a 3rd row, and 3 years of roadside assistance. That offsets the small difference IMO.

-juice

ateixeira

Who can give me a 4 cylinder compact SUV with a price of about $20K?

Street prices are well below MSRP. RAV4 starts around $22k around here, at least the models dealers actually have in stock, so cross that off your list. Just remember, though, RAV4 sales are THROUGH THE ROOF so low price is not really the primary thing people are after.

Edmunds' test model was $33k or so, but my dealer didn't have anything in stock that cost more than $28k street price. So it seems like they don't sell many stripped models, nor do they sell many loaded ones.

You can get a Forester X for about $18-19k, even with automatic.

You can get a Jeep Liberty if you want a true 4x4, it was $19.5k in the paper, add freight and you're right at your limit.

I'm sure you can get lesser equipped models of the Santa Fe, Escape, and Vue for well under $20k.

Remember, though, that's not the "sweet spot", where most of the demand is. I bet most people spend $22-25k for a compact SUV nowadays, that's where the volume is.

I'm sure that's where the new CR-V will be. Most of them anyway.

-juice

mnf

The 06 CRV has a 5 year 60k powertrain ( up from 3 yr 36k on the 05) same with Toyotas 5yr 60k or did I miss something :confuse:

ateixeira

Oops, I stand corrected. So the warranty is the same.

-juice

drive62

I'm talking about the new model RAV4 and CR-V (have you priced an '07 RAV4??). And I should have said 4WD or AWD SUV. Thanks though.

robertsmx

All prices I look at right now are for 06 models. I'm sure both will see a slight jump in price for 07.

As for sub-20K AWD model, you should be able to get CRV LX/4WD for about $20K. The MSRP is $21,595 but it is clearance time. TMV, including destination is showing as $20.5K.

mnf

I thought I was a mess because you are full of information and usually right I guess we all have senior moments .... M

ateixeira

Absolutely...

I know I'm getting old because they say 2 things happen as you age, the first is we all start to forget things.

The 2nd thing I forget.

-juice

turbocrv

Here is more info according to a Motor Trend Magazine; October 2006 Issue.

I found this info from Player4 on HondaSUV.com forum.

Finally Free To Be Me
Out of the SUV closet and revealing its crossover identity

For its 10th year on the market, the CR-V has shed its boxy sport/utility wrappings to reveal its true crossover identity. It's always been car-based, with little off-road capability, but as sales trends move toward smaller, lighter vehicles, the Honda is now free to be itself. The 2007 model looks elongated and squashed down, but the dimensions haven't changed much: It's shorter (by 3.0 inches; the spare's now underneath), wider (1.4 inches), lower (0.1 inch), and rides on a shorter wheelbase (0.2 inch). Also gone is the left-to-right-side-swinging cargo door, which forced you to walk into traffic to retrieve groceries. The rear door's now hinged on top.

Last year's 16-valve i-VTEC DOHC four has been upgraded, with 166 horsepower instead of 156, and with one more pound-foot of torque, its peak at a higher rpm. Combine that with the 60 or so pounds the CR-V gained, and it's no surprise it doesn't blow the doors off the competition.

It's tighter in turns and quieter on the highway than in the past. Steering is responsive and linear, and the revised MacPherson-strut front and multilink rear suspension offers a decent balance of agility and comforts, making the CR-V behave like an oversized Accord.

As expected, it also comes with plenty of standard safety equipment-the front end uses the ACE body structure, and all trim levels have front, front-side, and dual-row side-curtain airbags, ABS, stability control, brake assist, and a tire-pressure-monitoring system. While pedal feel was good in both preproduction units we drove, the first one's brakes were grabby and engine braking came in too soon, making stops abrupt. The second one's brakes had the right balance of firm response and smooth deceleration. We hope that was the more accurate representative.

The cabin blends with Honda's excellent fit and finish with the simple function CR-V owners will want. The fold-and-tumble 40/20/40 rear seat can hold two child seats, or one on the middle that can slide closer to the front row-in case Mom or Dad needs to have a chat with Junior.

Honda had taken the positive attributes that make the CR-V its perennial best-seller and added style, better handling, and a hint of cool. Final pricing hadn't been announced as of press time, but given the automaker's low-$20,000 estimated starting point, it looks like it'll continue to be a great value.

Allyson Harwood

2007 Honda CR-V
Base Price $21,550-$26,250 (est)
Vehicle Layout Front engine, FWD or AWD, 5-pass, 4-door SUV
Engine 2.4L/166-hp/161 lb-ft DOHC 16-valve I-4
Transmission 5-speed automatic
Curb Weight 3400-3550 lb
Wheelbase 103.1 in
Length x Width x Height 178.0 x 71.6 x 66.1 in
0-60 MPH 10.0 sec (MT est)
EPA City/Hwy Fuel Econ 22-23/28-30 mpg
On Sale In U.S. Currently

Article Pictures:






Source: Motor Trend; October 2006 Issue

ateixeira

So the middle part can move forward independently? That would be neat. Volvo offers this on the XC90 and Toyota has it on the 8 passenger Siennas. I think it's a neat idea, a mother in the front seat could reach a toddler in that position.

-juice

blackexv6

The new CRV arriving just in time for Halloween. This ugly mask will sure to scare consumers.

Also, the Honda Accord headlights are a nice touch - not.

drive62

As for sub-20K AWD model, you should be able to get CRV LX/4WD for about $20K. The MSRP is $21,595 but it is clearance time. TMV, including destination is showing as $20.5K.

NEW model. As much as I like the current CR-V it is a six year old design.

drive62

Also, the Honda Accord headlights are a nice touch - not.

The current CR-V had 'em first. Basically the same with the redesign.

Don't think they changed the Ody's headlights for '07. Seems pretty close to the CR-V. Didn't stop you from buying one.

'07:

http://automobiles.honda.com/models/exterior_gallery.asp?ModelName=Odyssey

'06:

http://www.kbb.com/kb/ki.dll/kw.kc.ncph?kbb.IL;658916;IL089&60120&&;;nc;van&5&06- - HTXD_ELDN;060803;/VehicleImage/337x250/2006/XMHTODY064.jpg

blackexv6

From the picture, the new CRV is the exact headlight unit from an Accord. The Odyssey headlight is not. Nice try.

saabgirl

Hmm. Looks like the photogenic appeal of the '07 depends a lot on how well the light and shadows show the sculptured body panels. As that ol' fool Hugh Hefner might say, beauty is in the photographer's skill at finding the best features and finding a way to accentuate them.

Also, I wonder if the road rumble on some surfaces has been toned down. Wish the reviewer had commented on this. Road rumble on poor surfaces is the only negative my missus has about my '05. (I can live with it as part of the vehicle's manly, trucky quality, plus on long drives it occasionally gives me some respite from the collection of sappy CDs that she sneaks in.)

turbocrv

The dealer said that the tires will be OEM Bridgestone Duelers P225/65R17 on USA Version instead of Dunlop Grandtrek P225/65R17 on European Version.

I checked with Bridgestone website and found the one. Maybe I think there will be Bridgestone Dueler H/L Alenza. I'm not 100% sure.



Bridgestone Dueler H/L Alenza (Highway All-Season)
Tire Sizes and Specifications
Size: 225/65R17
Service description: 102H
Load Range:
Speed Rating: H
SideWall Styling: BW
Article Number: 042-509
Approved Rim Widths: 6.0-8.0
Measuring Rim Width: (6.5)
Overall Tire Diameter: 28.4
Overall Section Width: 8.9
Tread Width: 6.9
Static Load Radius: 12.9
Tread Depth(32"): 12
RPM: 733
RPK:
Tire Weight:
Limited Mileage Warranty: 65000
Limited Warranty (Kilometres): 100000
UTQG: 600 A A
OE Fitment:
Notes: the UNI-T AQ II technology

http://www.bridgestone-usa.com/tireselector/dpp/glamourindex.asp?passproductid=1- 090

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Bridgestone&tireModel=Dueler+H%- - 2FL+Alenza