That doesn't look much like a work truck to me. I can certainly imagine some yuppie dragging his Bayliner and rug rats to the river in it but can't imagine what a load of manure would do when you open up that 8 foot bed.
is too nice of a word. Did Pontiac have extra body cladding????
A serious comment though. Chevy made it clear when they redesigned the Silverado that they wanted to cater to the old school buyers. Is this an indication that maybe they're changing that thinking???
Flynn, Chevy has 0 fleet sales, Ford is junk and Toyota makes the best hamburgers.
Where did you get your info that Toyota makes the best trucks from all the reading I've done on them I wouldn't think so,just check out there site tundrasolutions.com they have more problems than any of the big3 that I've read about.I wouldn't want one,there are actually having to weld parts on the drivetrain for the vibration problems.Thats what happens when you try to make a truck drive like a car.A Truck should be a Truck.
Yes, ol, bubba frequents our topics and it obviously makes him insanely jealous that we love our full-size Tundras so much. He wishes he could go out and buy one, but worries too much of what his "friends" would think. Go for it, man. To quote a lyric from Rush: "Live for yourself, there's no one else more worth living for".
BTW, why would it be "stingin us" that the Tundra hasn't sold a gazillion units yet? I think that manufacturers typically limit their production during the first year of manufacturing a new product. So what? If we really cared about that, we would have waited a couple of years before buying our Tundras. By then, I'm sure the production/sales will be way up. I see more and more of them on the road, being *worked hard*, every day
There's no reason not to buy a Ford truck you see.
You want an SUV?? 3 To chose from now: Explorer, Expedition, Excursion
Small pickup truck? Ranger be the one.
Big Pickup truck? Ford F-150, F-250, F-350, F-450, F-550, F-650, or F-750
Bigger pickup truck with a Tundra bed? F-150 SuperCREW
There's no reason not to buy a Ford you see. Go down to your Local Ford dealer today, let's get rid of your truck you got now, and go get yourself one of these.
Someone said that Tundrasolution was full of people with problems - here are the top topics 1 Vibration fixed!!!!! 2 Have you RACED another truck yet 3 First door ding cramam 4 Option DH- Towing Trailer Hitch 5 RX 300 6 Wiring harness defect 7 why some tires spin-out and others don't 8 Tundra vibrations due to tires? 9 Upgrade Flasher? 10 Tundra Following 11 how much can I expect to pay 12 Line-X Liner 13 Tundra Jamboree 14 CD skips 15 Tundra Exhaust Rattle 16 Front Tire Pressure
Conclusion: While F-150 buyers are having engines break, exhaust leaks, door cracks, leather chipping, this is what Tundra's are having: Door Dings Wiring harness defect Vibrations (Only real one) And their CD Skips.
You forgot front brakes warping from trailoring,rear doors opening on highway by themseleves,poor quality paint.I would be very concerned if I had a wiring harnes defect,being an electrician,a short circuit could create a fire.Also what about front headlights aimed improperly and can't be fixed,and the armrest wear after 200 miles. Thank god for the Big3 and there great quality or else I'd be forced to drive a Tundra and they sound like a peice of crap.I'd rather drive a moped and attatch a wagon to the back,could probably haul more and tow more with the moped.
The Tundra's problems are far more superficial (SP?) than the Ford's problems if you look. The problems that Barlitz is talking about IS on recall and will be fixed (Doors). Most of the problems are first year bugs. Go look at Ford and you will see some problems such as "Heat coming out of engine at startup, leather cracking and chipping, piston slap" The NUMBER ONE PROBLEM is the 65% people with DOOR CRACKS on trucks that are maximum 3 years old. That is pathetic. Let's get a brand new shiny truck just to see a year or two later cracks on the doors.
about 30% of Isuzu, does joint projects with Toyota and Honda. What would you expect from an international company. GM plans to sell the 4.8 L V8 to Honda for an SUV/Truck project they are working on. Honda would not consider doing this if the 4.8L was not a good engine. GM will get some 4 banger engines from Honda for a 2002 compact car. Isuzu produces the Passport for Honda (a project that GM pushed for). GM wants to aquire Honda and Toyota, but they both want to stay independent. My guess is GM will own one or both of these companies within 10 years. In the mean time GM will continue to do projects and share information -Kind of like dating before you get married. You get many of the benefits without all of the responsibilities.
I must be on dope,Answer this ? WHY if the Ford trucks are garbage and so unreliable are they the #1 year after year and #1 selling vehicle in the world.Isn't the Camry the best selling midsize car doesn't that make it junk,thats basically what you are saying.Here is a good ? for you.If Ford opened up a truck plant in japan and started selling F150's over in Japan.Do you think the F150 would outsell the Tundra and Tacoma in Japan combined.I definately think so, I would bet on it. I have yet to see a Tundra doing anything but drive down the street,Haven't seen one towing anything or any real weight in the back.They're not trucks.They are a yuppie niche.Maybe they should rename it the Toyota Niche.
Barlitz, you have never seen a Tundra tow or haul anything? Come on down to the boat ramp some weekend. You can drool over my Tundra while I am fishing. The combined weight of the boat, motor, trailer and fuel is about 4200# and I have seen Tundras towing small cruisers in the 6000# range every weekend.
You also honestly think that Ford could compete in Japan? Have you ever seen a Japanese customer when they take delivery? They bring a tape measurer and calipers with them. Don't tell me an F150 could withstand that kind of scrutiny.
You were also the one who claimed that the rear doors opened on the highway. Could you possibly explain this one to me. It is impossible to open the rear door without the front one being opened first. If you had ever given one a cursory look, you would know that.
Now for you Bill. You think GM will own Toyota or Honda within 10 years? That's funny because I read an article in Fortune a few months ago that was speculating the Toyota would own GM in the next few years. As far as their relationship with Honda, Honda reluctantly agreed to make it look like a joint venture. GM needed a reliable car engine and can't do one themselves so they will get the Honda V6. Honda was not happy with the 4.8 but will take it for the money they will get out of GM.
Are you both really this blinded by GM loyalty? If so, you really need professional help.
Your question: WHY if the Ford trucks are garbage and so unreliable are they the #1 year after year and #1 selling vehicle in the world. This is any easy one. First off I never said Ford's were junk at all. They are the best of the BIG3 by far in terms of reliability. You can get a Supercab 4x2 F-150 for pretty reasonable price, it's a nice looking truck, and has good power and backseat even in V6 form. You get a lot of truck for the buck. This is why it is the #1 selling truck. The Tundra will never be the #1 selling truck, but you can't even compare them at this point because the Tundra is brand new. It takes awhile for a new vehicle to become mainstream. They are not unreliable, but they do have some problems (as I mentioned door cracks, etc.). The quality is just not there with Toyota. It's just plain 2nd.
In contrast, you get less truck for the buck (As trucksrme says) when you purchase the Tundra. Very true indeed. However to me it's like this:
You can buy a new Chevy Malibu for about $2,000 less than a comparably equipped accord and you may even get a couple gizmos that the Honda Accord doesn't have. However, if I were buying I would go for the vehicle that gets "Well Above Average" in reliability reviews versus "Well Below Average". I'm just not into buying a vehicle that is unreliable. I already have one.
You obviously have a great sense of humor. Referring to Toyota as a small independent is laughable. They are the number 2 manufacturer on the planet. Right behind GM and much more profitable.
Tell me, besides trucks, what does GM build that anybody in their right mind would spend money on? The Lumina? Cavalier? Malibu? Boy, that's a company going places.
I almost bought a Tundra except my luck with the local dealers was not very pleasant. I ended up with a Dodge Dakota Quad Cab and am so far very satisfied with it. My friend has a Silverado and has had numerous problems with it so I did not even consider it. The Fords seem to be ok but everybody and there brother has one. The Tundra seems to be typical Toyota quality very reliable. Trucksr4me are you for real? All of the manufacturers make a pretty good product or they would not be in business for long!
On GM's quality and the Duramax project, there's a fuzzy line on this one as there has been a lot of collaboration on this whole project. I personally am glad to see the GM is working in partnership with Isuzu. You need to remember that GM owns a large portion of Isuzu. The engineers from Allison, (GM owned) Chevrolet, GMC, and Isuzu have reportedly worked very well together on this project. I see it as "The Great Wall of GM" breaking down. GM was once there greatest force in the automotive industry and didn't really need to look outside it's own walls. Imports were given little respect, except for a few "cult cars". Think about the muscle car era, or any of the cars built before or during that time period. There are just a few Ford and Chrysler products that were desirable, but there were multitudes of great GM cars being produced that are still highly reveled to today's enthusiasts. The world has changed for GM as it did for the Chinese Empire. Back to the point, it is the American company that is making this happen. I am glad that they are becoming more of a global company that they is willing to work and develop the best technology available. Also had they had failed to do this, they would have ceased to exist. No automotive company can do everything in house in tody's competitive environment. If that means working with the Japanese, Germans... so be it. As a consumer, I am looking for the best product at a reasonable price. I will also buy from an American company if they produce a competitive product. BTW, just watched Tiger Woods today playing at Pebble Beach. If you didn't know, it's owned by the Japanese. Thoughts on this one?
Dbh, here are the #'s on profitability between Toyota and GM. In 1998, GM had $161.3 Billion in revenues and $2.96 Billion net profit, for a profit margin of 1.84%. In 1998, Toyota had $107.3 Billion in sales and $3.8 Billion in profit, for a profit margin of 3.54%. This would make Toyota a more profitable company. GM has the clear edge in total sales, and probably always will, since they and Ford have the most dealers. FYI, in 1998 Ford came in at $144.4 Billion in sales and had a profit of $5.9 Billion, for a profit margin of 4.09%. That would make Ford the most profitable, in 1998 anyway, although GM is still #1 in sales, with Ford #2 and Toyota #3. I don't count Dodge, because they are a German company now and have less than $100 Billion in sales anyway. Those are the true #'s FYI.
OK, so GM is bigger yet less profitable and you think Buick, Pontiac and Chevy have great cars. Methinks I am not the one to remove his head from the clouds.
While I respect your opinion It doesn't mean I have to agree with it.
G.M. has had imports in the past and rebadged them as their own. Chevy Luvs come to mind(and this was before GM owned part of Isuzu) The NUMMI plant is a joint venture with Toyota isn't it? And it's been around forever. All the GEO's were Suzukis I think. I'll leave out Opel because I guess they were owned by G.M. but still an import.
As far as cars being desirable maybe we can start a new topic. For every "classic" GM muscle car you mention I'll come back with a Ford and I'm sure Moparmad will come back with a desirable Chrysler. Heck, Bamatundra will come back with old desirable Toyotas!LOL!!!
Glad you adore GM, they need the support.(just kidden')
Feds Investigate GM Suburban by NEDRA PICKLER Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON (AP) -- A federal safety agency is investigating more than 760,000 sport utility vehicles made by General Motors Corp. after complaints that some batteries leak acid, which can cause loss of power and increase the risk of a crash.
The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration said Tuesday that there have been 212 complaints about the problem, including reports of two crashes and one injury. GM reports 25,122 warranty claims related to the problem on the Chevrolet Suburban and Tahoe and the GMC Yukon.
The agency has upgraded the investigation into the vehicles from model years 1995 through 1997 to study the batteries. It notes the problem may be related to warmer temperatures, since 60 percent of complaints came from California, Florida, Georgia and Texas.
A General Motors spokesman said the company is aware of the investigation and is cooperating with NHTSA.
NHTSA also upgraded its investigation into 1993 to 1998 model years of the Mercury Villager and Nissan Quest.
There have been 18 complaints from Villager owners and 23 from Nissan owners that fuel leaks from cracked or deteriorated fuel tank vent hoses. There are 389,963 of the Villagers on the road and 276,181 Quests.
NHTSA opens any safety investigation with a preliminary inquiry in which the government and manufacturer exchange paperwork that includes any complaints.
The investigation then could be upgraded to an engineering analysis, during which engineers study parts to see if they are defective, as in the GM, Mercury and Nissan cases. An investigation eventually can lead to a recall, but many are dropped.
Among the recalls in Tuesday's monthly defect report:
--Dodge Ram from model years 1994-1996; ignition switch and wiring can overheat; 690,000 on the road.
--1995 Mazda Protege; headlights may blink because of headlight switch lead wire damage, which can result in complete loss of headlights; 79,000 on the road
--1998 Buick Park Avenue; front seat shoulder belts may twist, which can make the belt unusable; 77,952 on the road.
NHTSA also began a preliminary investigation into some Firestone tires after some consumers complained that the tire tread can separate while driving at highway speeds.
There have been 90 complaints, including reports of 33 crashes resulting in 27 injuries and 4 deaths.
''Some drivers heard a loud noise seconds before the loss of control, but others heard nothing,'' said a NHTSA report. ''Those that did hear a noise often reported that the loss of control occurred so quickly they were not able to avoid a collision.''
The investigation involves the ATX, ATX II and Wilderness models, which were installed as original equipment on some Ford Explorer, Ranger and F150 vehicles and were also available as replacement tires for those and other vehicles.
[Folks must be workin 'em too hard down on the fawrm, eh?]
I got this from the May '00 issue of Motor Trend. They did a comparison of "full size" pickups. They rated the biggest, baddest Chevy Silverado 1500 with the 5.3 L V8 and the 4.1 gears(which by the way is only rated to tow 8000lbs).
They also rated the biggest F150 with the 5.4L V8 and the Dodge 1500 with 5.9L against the Tundra Access Cab V8.
You would think that this would be a mismatch. The Silverado does have that barcolounger rear seat. The Big3 engines are much bigger.
Here is the conclusion of the Motor Trend article:
"And the winner is... Which to Pick? In terms of overall performance and sophistication - on road and off - we have to say Tundra."
Oh! - I forgot Big3 posters in this topic don't believe anything that is in magazines. That is because the magazines all say that the Tundra is The best full size 1/2 ton pickup. You prefer to get your info from Billy Bob down the road a piece. (or hicksrme) LOL
It's impossible for the access doors to open before the front doors. Your referencing a bogus post placed by one of the many ignorant Tundra bashers. Nice try, "Tiny Tim"!
Rwellbaum and bamatundra be the same ones now. He got 2 or 3 more handles like tundrasaursrex and the like. Remember, there just aint that many tundra owners too begin with, that factory was only able too trick a handful into buyin them limited ones now. Good luck on this one now!
Any college will have a good chemistry course you can take or I am sure some internet research on the chemical process that takes place inside a catalytic converter will turn something up for you as well. I am not going to go through the research again for you. Excess carbon emissions from a rich condition will leave a black soot from a black exhaust in your tailpipe. A white/powdery film from a white exhaust in your tailpipe will result from a lean condition.
I really think there are better places to discuss the Tundra versus the Silverado (see topic #1870) but I did want to comment one something you said. GM does in fact make the batteries for their vehicles. AC Delco is a subsidiary of GM and any battery problems can be blamed properly at GMs feet.
It seems weird that in this topic, Tundra owners like myself are not making any major complaints about the truck. The only people complaining are the ones who don't seem to own one.
You are so right! They are just scared, that's all, now that Toyota is directly competing with Ford, GM, and Dodge. If they weren't scared, they would leave us alone, since they always talk about how many less trucks Toyota sells. Toyota shouldn't be a threat anyway. Yet, they are always over here posting on this and that. That should tell you how worried they are.
I'm looking for another message board that actually talks about the Tundra, and trucks in general, instead of bashing each other. I just want to find out more from other Tundra owners what they think.
Enjoy your trucks, let it be a Tundra or something else!
If you need info on Tundra owner's experiences, performance upgrades, accessories, etc., then check out www.tundrasolutions.com . This Edmunds site is amusing reading, but of little value if you want info on the Tundra.
By the way it's Ford, GM and Mercedes. Now a full size Mercedes pick-up...what a concept. BTW Nissan is in the process developing a full size pick-up release date not know.
DB, I think there is a guy named "Ironman" Ivan Stewart who races trucks for Toyota who has been winning races for years. In fact, he even designed the TRD offroad package because he konws his stuff about off-road, and has been looking in his rear view mirror at domestics all these years when he crosses the finish line! What does NASCAR have to do with trucks?
You are absolutely amazing. You think Toyota is not involved in NASCAR because they don't have a strong enough engine? I am not a big NASCAR fan but even I know that all NASCAR cars must use a base engine derived from a production car with a PUSH ROD V8. Toyota has not ever had a pushrod V8 engine.
Now, Toyota does very well in the CART series which has no such restriction. Also, Toyota is currently working with NASCAR to develop rules to allow for Toyota/Lexus products to compete. If I remember correctly, there will be a Toyota in next years Busch series and the following year will see other cars and trucks (yes, Tundras).
Now, tell me exactly what your point here is. Why exactly do you participate in this discussion?
And why is it that Dodge doesn't have a NASCAR to compete against the Ford Taurus, Chevy Monte Carlo, and Pontiac Grand Prix? I know they're coming out with one, but what happened to them?
Speaking of NASCAR. I have to work Sears point this weekend. Our squadron is doing it to raise money for charity. The same people that watch pro-wrestling really dig NASCAR too. How does driving around a paved circle test a truck? It doesn't! Racing through rugged desert like "Ironman" stewart does is alot more punishing to all of a trucks components (engine, frame, suspension, steering). With all the money and resources of the big 3, you'd think they would at least win their fair share. However, Toyota trucks devastate the competition, year after year.
PlEEEEEEZE. Chrysler was in NASCAR long after the Hemi was banned. In fact all big blocks were banned at the same time with both the Hemi being banned a few years sooner along with the Boss 429 hemi. Chrysler ran various Miradas and I think Monacos through the 80's, maybe longer. They just weren't competitive. The biggest humiliation of Chyrsler in NASCAR was when Petty switched to Pontiac. I'm not exact on my years. You have a limited knowledge of motors as is shown by a post way back about no new engine designs and how your GM rep said the LS1 motors were old blocks with new heads. If you don't want to be classed in the same group as the people you dispute please check your facts. BTW over half the crap they say is wrong too but there is no reasoning with them. You, I have hope for.
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A serious comment though. Chevy made it clear when they redesigned the Silverado that they wanted to cater to the old school buyers. Is this an indication that maybe they're changing that thinking???
Flynn, Chevy has 0 fleet sales, Ford is junk and Toyota makes the best hamburgers.
Admit it, it's boring if not for the entertainment we bring.
BTW, why would it be "stingin us" that the Tundra hasn't sold a gazillion units yet? I think that manufacturers typically limit their production during the first year of manufacturing a new product. So what? If we really cared about that, we would have waited a couple of years before buying our Tundras. By then, I'm sure the production/sales will be way up. I see more and more of them on the road, being *worked hard*, every day
You want an SUV?? 3 To chose from now: Explorer, Expedition, Excursion
Small pickup truck? Ranger be the one.
Big Pickup truck? Ford F-150, F-250, F-350, F-450, F-550, F-650, or F-750
Bigger pickup truck with a Tundra bed? F-150 SuperCREW
There's no reason not to buy a Ford you see.
Go down to your Local Ford dealer today, let's get rid of your truck you got now, and go get yourself one of these.
1 Vibration fixed!!!!!
2 Have you RACED another truck yet
3 First door ding cramam
4 Option DH- Towing Trailer Hitch
5 RX 300
6 Wiring harness defect
7 why some tires spin-out and others don't
8 Tundra vibrations due to tires?
9 Upgrade Flasher?
10 Tundra Following
11 how much can I expect to pay
12 Line-X Liner
13 Tundra Jamboree
14 CD skips
15 Tundra Exhaust Rattle
16 Front Tire Pressure
Conclusion:
While F-150 buyers are having engines break, exhaust leaks, door cracks, leather chipping, this is what Tundra's are having:
Door Dings
Wiring harness defect
Vibrations (Only real one)
And their CD Skips.
Wow what are we going to do???
The NUMBER ONE PROBLEM is the 65% people with DOOR CRACKS on trucks that are maximum 3 years old. That is pathetic. Let's get a brand new shiny truck just to see a year or two later cracks on the doors.
That's quality
I have yet to see a Tundra doing anything but drive down the street,Haven't seen one towing anything or any real weight in the back.They're not trucks.They are a yuppie niche.Maybe they should rename it the Toyota Niche.
You also honestly think that Ford could compete in Japan? Have you ever seen a Japanese customer when they take delivery? They bring a tape measurer and calipers with them. Don't tell me an F150 could withstand that kind of scrutiny.
You were also the one who claimed that the rear doors opened on the highway. Could you possibly explain this one to me. It is impossible to open the rear door without the front one being opened first. If you had ever given one a cursory look, you would know that.
Now for you Bill. You think GM will own Toyota or Honda within 10 years? That's funny because I read an article in Fortune a few months ago that was speculating the Toyota would own GM in the next few years. As far as their relationship with Honda, Honda reluctantly agreed to make it look like a joint venture. GM needed a reliable car engine and can't do one themselves so they will get the Honda V6. Honda was not happy with the 4.8 but will take it for the money they will get out of GM.
Are you both really this blinded by GM loyalty? If so, you really need professional help.
Your question:
WHY if the Ford
trucks are garbage and so unreliable are they the
#1 year after year and #1 selling vehicle in the
world.
This is any easy one. First off I never said Ford's were junk at all. They are the best of the BIG3 by far in terms of reliability. You can get a Supercab 4x2 F-150 for pretty reasonable price, it's a nice looking truck, and has good power and backseat even in V6 form. You get a lot of truck for the buck. This is why it is the #1 selling truck.
The Tundra will never be the #1 selling truck, but you can't even compare them at this point because the Tundra is brand new. It takes awhile for a new vehicle to become mainstream. They are not unreliable, but they do have some problems (as I mentioned door cracks, etc.). The quality is just not there with Toyota. It's just plain 2nd.
In contrast, you get less truck for the buck (As trucksrme says) when you purchase the Tundra. Very true indeed. However to me it's like this:
You can buy a new Chevy Malibu for about $2,000 less than a comparably equipped accord and you may even get a couple gizmos that the Honda Accord doesn't have. However, if I were buying I would go for the vehicle that gets "Well Above Average" in reliability reviews versus "Well Below Average". I'm just not into buying a vehicle that is unreliable. I already have one.
Tell me, besides trucks, what does GM build that anybody in their right mind would spend money on? The Lumina? Cavalier? Malibu? Boy, that's a company going places.
Trucksr4me are you for real? All of the manufacturers make a pretty good product or they would not be in business for long!
Please read the entire article. Even the GM execs admit that Toyota has superior quality!
G.M. has had imports in the past and rebadged them as their own. Chevy Luvs come to mind(and this was before GM owned part of Isuzu) The NUMMI plant is a joint venture with Toyota isn't it? And it's been around forever. All the GEO's were Suzukis I think. I'll leave out Opel because I guess they were owned by G.M. but still an import.
As far as cars being desirable maybe we can start a new topic. For every "classic" GM muscle car you mention I'll come back with a Ford and I'm sure Moparmad will come back with a desirable Chrysler. Heck, Bamatundra will come back with old desirable Toyotas!LOL!!!
Glad you adore GM, they need the support.(just kidden')
Feds Investigate GM Suburban
by NEDRA PICKLER
Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON (AP) -- A federal safety agency is investigating more than 760,000 sport utility vehicles made by General Motors Corp. after complaints that some batteries leak acid, which can cause loss of power and increase the risk of a crash.
The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration said Tuesday that there have been 212 complaints about the problem, including reports of two crashes and one injury. GM reports 25,122 warranty claims related to the problem on the Chevrolet Suburban and Tahoe and the GMC Yukon.
The agency has upgraded the investigation into the vehicles from model years 1995 through 1997 to study the batteries. It notes the problem may be related to warmer temperatures, since 60 percent of complaints came from California, Florida, Georgia and Texas.
A General Motors spokesman said the company is aware of the investigation and is cooperating with NHTSA.
NHTSA also upgraded its investigation into 1993 to 1998 model years of the Mercury Villager and Nissan Quest.
There have been 18 complaints from Villager owners and 23 from Nissan owners that fuel leaks from cracked or deteriorated fuel tank vent hoses. There are 389,963 of the Villagers on the road and 276,181 Quests.
NHTSA opens any safety investigation with a preliminary inquiry in which the government and manufacturer exchange paperwork that includes any complaints.
The investigation then could be upgraded to an engineering analysis, during which engineers study parts to see if they are defective, as in the GM, Mercury and Nissan cases. An investigation eventually can lead to a recall, but many are dropped.
Among the recalls in Tuesday's monthly defect report:
--Dodge Ram from model years 1994-1996; ignition switch and wiring can overheat; 690,000 on the road.
--1995 Mazda Protege; headlights may blink because of headlight switch lead wire damage, which can result in complete loss of headlights; 79,000 on the road
--1998 Buick Park Avenue; front seat shoulder belts may twist, which can make the belt unusable; 77,952 on the road.
NHTSA also began a preliminary investigation into some Firestone tires after some consumers complained that the tire tread can separate while driving at highway speeds.
There have been 90 complaints, including reports of 33 crashes resulting in 27 injuries and 4 deaths.
''Some drivers heard a loud noise seconds before the loss of control, but others heard nothing,'' said a NHTSA report. ''Those that did hear a noise often reported that the loss of control occurred so quickly they were not able to avoid a collision.''
The investigation involves the ATX, ATX II and Wilderness models, which were installed as original equipment on some Ford Explorer, Ranger and F150 vehicles and were also available as replacement tires for those and other vehicles.
[Folks must be workin 'em too hard down on the fawrm, eh?]
Trend. They did a comparison of "full size"
pickups. They rated the biggest, baddest Chevy
Silverado 1500 with the 5.3 L V8 and the 4.1
gears(which by the way is only rated to tow
8000lbs).
They also rated the biggest F150 with the 5.4L V8
and the Dodge 1500 with 5.9L against the Tundra
Access Cab V8.
You would think that this would be a mismatch.
The Silverado does have that barcolounger rear
seat. The Big3 engines are much bigger.
Here is the conclusion of the Motor Trend article:
"And the winner is... Which to Pick? In terms of
overall performance and sophistication - on road
and off - we have to say Tundra."
Here are some facts:
4/10/00 Toyota Tundra is Consumer Reports Top Pick
for Full Sized Pickup in 2000!
http://www.consumerreports.org/news/autos/Reports/toppick.htm
3/3/00 Toyota's New Millennium Truck
http://truckworld.com/Truck-Tests/Toyota-Tundra/tundra.html
1/9/00 4-Wheel & Off-Road Magazine 4x4 Truck of
the Year!
12/22/99 Motor Trend Magazine announces the 2000
Toyota Tundra as the Truck of the Year!
http://www.motortrend.com/
5/4/00 Toyota vehicles dominate this year's
quality survey rankings by J.D. Power
http://cnnfn.com/2000/05/04/companies/wires/carsurvey_wg/
Oh! - I forgot Big3 posters in this topic don't
believe anything that is in magazines. That is
because the magazines all say that the Tundra is
The best full size 1/2 ton pickup.
You prefer to get your info from Billy Bob down
the road a piece. (or hicksrme) LOL
got 2 or 3 more handles like tundrasaursrex and
the like. Remember, there just aint that many
tundra owners too begin with, that factory was only able too trick a handful into buyin them limited ones now. Good luck on this one now!
Any more than that your on your own.
Enjoy your trucks, let it be a Tundra or something else!
Have a great day!
Now a full size Mercedes pick-up...what a concept.
BTW Nissan is in the process developing a full size pick-up release date not know.
http://www.detnews.com/1998/specials/crossroads/details/details.htm
Now, Toyota does very well in the CART series which has no such restriction. Also, Toyota is currently working with NASCAR to develop rules to allow for Toyota/Lexus products to compete. If I remember correctly, there will be a Toyota in next years Busch series and the following year will see other cars and trucks (yes, Tundras).
Now, tell me exactly what your point here is. Why exactly do you participate in this discussion?
Have a great evening!