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Why spend more money to have more problems? With gas prices steadily climbing, folks will want to spend less on the actual car to make up for that hit the gas pump will put on their pockets.
I've already seen owners of Lexus, Mercedes, Infinity and Jaguar trade down for a Sonata or Azera. Simply put...they are tired of paying all that money for something that ultimately does what the less expensive cars do...get them to their destination.
'Appliance buyers' would also not likely consider those premium brands you mention - they aspire to be putting those labels in their driveways - would contend there are very few that aspire to be putting that little 'H' out there.
Nobody ever said one would aspire, simply desire by choice to spend less money on a car and still get creature comforts that will transport them from point 'A' to point 'B' and beyond.
Seriously Captain, you really need to lay off the caffeine and just open your eyes to the world around you. Change is afoot and Hyundai is a part of that change. I think one thing that scares the consumers is that Hyundai is finding a way to bring most of the technologies found in the higher priced cars to market for a much, much lower price.
Automakers generally DON'T advertise "Our car doesn't have as much passenger space as 'x' or get as good gas mileage as 'y' and we apologise!"
They want to at least leave the impression in the viewer's mind that their car is somehow favorably associated with the well-known marques without being too specific; that's advertising...
I'm pretty sure and I'd wager a rather hefty wager that Hyundai is not trying to push the perception that the Sonata is an alternative to a 525.
That beign the case, they wouldn't have come up with the idea of the Genesis, that of which they claim they are designing and their aim is the 5-Series & E-Class vehicles.
Sheesh...give a Sonata owner something else to feel good about other than just a great bang-for-buck purchase.
yep - different market and different buyers - but, at least in this case more 'comparable' vehicles despite the superior off-road capabilites in the LR. Submit to you, that I am deceiving myself if I think for one minute that my Avalon is even half what a BMW 750 or a Lexus LS is, as would Azera owners thinking the same thing, and just like those Sonata owners would be doing the same in relation to that 525/530 we're talking about here.
Again...they are simply saying that the Santa Fe handles better than the Land Rover. However, they do state that the Land Rover has more cup holders than the Santa Fe! LOL
You would only be deceiving yourself by taking the ads as literally as you are.
So I guess you're wrong for believing that the Avalon getting better gas mileage than a 5 or 7-Series would be a deception to a buyer? Or that the the Avalon is more reliable than either of those cars...that would be a deception to yourself as well, right?
I'm an Azera owner and the only thing I think...I got a great deal on a car that comes with everything it comes for that some have to pay anywhere from $6000 or more to get and it just so happens to have more room than a 760.
Can I ask you a question? Why are you even worried about it when you're not a BMW owner yourself? You own an Avalon, right? So...what does it matter that Hyundai is making statements that various vehicles in their line-up are better in certain categories than some much higher priced vehicles in a whole different bracket of car?
You wouldn't have a problem if they said the Sonata had more room than a Corolla, would you? You wouldn't mind if the Santa Fe out handled a Honda Pilot, would you? You're so stuck on brand name, that you come across as personally insulted that Hyundai would dare compare their vehicles in ANY way, shape or form to a BMW, Mercedes, Lexus, Infinity, Land Rover or anything, huh? Or..is that you're upset that the statements are true of a car costing many thousands less than what they're being compared to???
My Avalon? Think it is likely the best value for the money out there and for what I specifically want out of a car - and although I personally could never 'justify' spending $60 or $70k on something like a LS, I'm not foolish enough to think it is a car in the same class.
all this, IMPO - naturally.
insulted, hell no - but I guess PT Barnum was right?
Me too, the $40k + being the "what goes into it" sticking point for me!...
Now the fact that I can get an Azera for so much less than an Avalon, when it is ALMOST (I give you the better more fuel efficient engine for the moment) as good as the Avalon, makes me pretty damn happy.
I am very glad to see Hyundai pushing up on the ceiling to offer me a very good car at a really attractive price. And when the Genesis comes out, I'll bet there will be a fair number of people who would spend $35K to $39K for all it will offer. I think brand only lovers will probably stick with MB and BMW, but I think it will be a heck of a competition with the lower end Lexus and Infinity (and maybe the 5 Series and E Series, who knows).
Anyway, the way cars are increasing in price, I am not sure that the $35K priceline is that intimidating any more.
The problem I have with Hyundai trying this kind of thing whether it be the Azera or this new Genesis, is that Hyundai, despite some recent improvements, does NOT have anywhere near that sort of reputation that Toyota had, so therefore it is folly to think that magically those high end buyers are going to flock to what may be a perfectly good car regardless of what the actual price is. Those folks, as strange as it may seem to any of us, WANT this kind of car to be expensive - not cheaper...
I think that Hyundai/Kia needs to position its products much in the same way that Buick is relative to Chevy. Thinking of the lines as being an alternative to the premium Japanese/German brands is well out of their reach at least until they can establish that same sort of reputation that Toyota, for example, had 20 years ago.
You're right, it took years and years before Toyota decided to jump out there and create the premimum brand of Lexus.
No, Hyundai doesn't have the reputation of reliability like Toyota or Honda at this point, but it's coming. It took time for Toyota & Honda...they didn't start out as bullet-proof when they hit the shores of America. Hyundai definitely had a more than rocky start, but they got their act together and decided they wanted to stay in the game (unlike the likes of Daewoo and Yugo). They stuck it out and decided to start modeling themselves after previous success stories like Toyota. They've got a foothold on the reliability issue, as it's been improving. Now, it seems they want to work on the performance aspect like Nissan.
I think Hyundai is doing the right thing in bring their products out under the Hyundai umbrella, and as their reputation build and solidifies...I think we'll see a premium name plate offerd up by Hyundai in the future.
I guess we'll see - but remember 'Rome' wasn't built in a day - Toyota really did make some rather crappy cars back in the late 60s, it took 20 years for them to get that 'quality' reputation that allowed them to effectively compete in the high end market.
Say what? I would love to see a race between a Korean-made Buick and a Mustang GT. Actually, no, I wouldn't.
The discussion in this forum is borderline ludicrous. My five year old Maxima would destroy anything Hyundai makes, let alone a friggin' Mustang (which I know for a fact would beat my Nissan).
Unless you're talking a V6 Mustang, which only teenage girls and rental agencies buy. NOBODY considers those cars "real" Mustangs.
At any rate, I'm glad you guys love your Hyundais, but the kool-aid is running a bit thick in here. I've sat in both a Sonata and Azera, and was not especially impressed by either. But, I have been spoiled by my Maxima.
If I were buying a "mainstream large sedan" for myself today, I would probably buy another Nissan since I've had such good luck with mine. However, the Buick Lucerne IS really nice, both outside and in. The Avalon is kinda pricey for what you get, and I hate Toyota interiors. The Five Hundred is as milquetoast as you can get, and the 300 has terrible visibility.
A lot of folks don't know the entire history of Toyota and Honda to know that they didn't make the reliable vehicles they're known for today.
So if you think about it, compared to the other 3...Hyundai is right on track.
GENESIS PREMIUM SPORTS SEDAN SPECIFICATIONS
· Configuration: FR Engine RWD Sport Sedan
· Wheelbase: 2935 mm / 115.6 inches
· Overall length: 5005 mm / 197.0 inches
· Overall width: 1863 mm / 73.3 inches
· Overall height: 1490 mm / 58.7 inches
· Track, f/r: 1575 mm / 62.0 inches, 1580 mm / 62.2 inches
· Wheels: 20-inch multi-spoke
· Engine type: V8
· Estimated horsepower: Well over 300HP
· Estimated torque: Over 300 lb. ft.
· Displacement: 4,627 cc
· Block material: High pressure die casting aluminum block
· Cylinder head material: Aluminum
· Valvetrain: Dual Over Head Cam (DOHC)
· Valve timing: Continuous variable valve timing
· Variable induction system
· Fuel delivery: Multi-port fuel injection
· Bore & stroke: 92 x 87
· Estimated 0-60 mph: well under 6.0 seconds
· Top speed: 130 mph (restricted)
· Recommended fuel: Unleaded
· Transmission type: ZF 6-speed automatic with SHIFTRONIC manual control
· Suspension: Front multi-link (5-link) / Rear multi-link (5-link)
· Stabilizer bar (front/rear): 26 mm/18 mm
· Weight distribution front to rear: 53:47 · Brakes: Power-assisted 4-wheel disc
· Front brake diameter (mm / in): 320 / 12.6 ventilated disc
· Rear brake diameter (mm / in): 314 / 12.4 solid disc
· Steering type: Speed-sensing rack-and-pinion
· Steering ratio: 14.86
Genesis Press Release
The Buick Lucerne IS a nice looking car, that much is agreed, but to even touch the performance of the Azera or Avalon, you would have to opt for the V-8 model as the V-6 in the Lucerne is rather whimpy.
You see, this whole forum orginially started out as Large Sedans for under $30K. That is why you see so much banter about the vehicles in question (Avalon, Azera, Lucerne, 500, 300, Charger, Maxima, Impala and Amanti).
About the only one on that list I can see your poor Maxima beating would be the Amanti and that's simply because of it's weight!
Explain? The Avalon is very well equipped for just a touch over 30K (Touring trim). Sure it goes to 38K but that is with features some of the other cars in the class don't even offer. Not to mention it has one the best V6 engines on the road today and gets better FE than mostly anything in its class.
As for the Mustang comment I believe that it was comparing a 1960's Mustang vs Azera making a point of the progress that has been made with cars. Obviously, a brand new Mustang GT would smoke any of the vehicles here.
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However, he stated his Maxima would blow the doors off anything that Hyunadai made. He's the one that better be careful of an Azera breathing down his tail pipe!
well let's see that 2002/03 Maxima will have a better hp/wght ratio 13.2 lbs./hp vs. 13.7 for you Azera, and no the Azera won't hit its maximum torque quicker - the VQ engine much quicker to rev and attain its max torque. Granted the poster here may not understand what some Hyundais have evolved into, but in this case I believe he is right - although 'blowing the doors off' may be a bit of an overstatement.
The Hyundai Genesis, will not only be a better performing more luxurious 5 series but it will be a lot cheaper.
I'm amazed some of you are trying to compare a Chrysler 300 to the Genesis. That would be like me comparing a Yugo to a Aston Martin. What is wrong ? Is everthing great always expensive ? Is clothing at J.C. Penny's not as good as the Versace ????
There is more to a car than a brand. Not all great things have a fancy emblem on them. I know Hyundai, doesn't have a luxury emblem but their is an announcement today that Hyundai, is bringing a luxury emblem to our shores. I think it's utter ridiculous that a car has to have a upscale emblem to be invited in a comparo on this site. A luxury car should be judged on it's specs and content not on it's emblem. Perhaps this is why the rest of their world looks at this country as being weird. Are we really that insecure as a culture ???? I guess I will soon gain the emblem to compare the Genesis, against cars with credibility. Chrysler 300's, Avalons, Passat's, G8's, are regular cars. Not even Lincoln, offers anything to compare and that is a luxury brand. Neither does Acura. Cadillac, Lexus, BMW, Mercedes, are the target the Genesis, will go against. I like I said believe it takes a emblem in this country to make a luxury car. That is quite sad but Hyundai, I guess realizes this really is critical and is working on getting this new luxury brand ready for our insecure society.
Rocky
P.S. The Hyundai Azera, easily whips every car mentioned here. Why bother discussing it any further. :confuse:
replace 525i with 760i
Agreed 100%. Hyundai is not trying to draw customers away from makers such as BMW/LR/Lexus, at least not its intention. If anyone thinks and feels Hyundai is drawing direct comparisons, then one would be mistaken about the point of these ads. Apparently there have been great feedback so far regarding these, so short-term they might just have worked.
you're right about one thing - your post is 'utter ridiculous'. Really sounds like you must be in charge of Hyundai 'over hype' actually especially for something that doesn't even exist yet. And if you ever actually drove a BMW you might just understand, why, as a rule, they are the most balanced and well engineered road cars in the world, and that is not 'hype', simply fact.
I own a 07 Azera Lim. and for my time in life it has everything I need. It's a great long distance road car BUT it does not handle as well as a BMW. I would I not want to drive the BMW cross country.
I don't find, nor did I expect, them to be in the same league.
The extra cost of the others is not all profit for the manufacturers.
well said - but a hard concept to sell to anyone that buys cars strictly on the basis of original purchase price and think that sedans become comparable once they are the same size or have similar power etc. Would be interested to hear your comments on the M, IMPO the best value right now in that particular segment? Hope you continue to enjoy your Azera for many years to come
My previous car was a Q45, that not only could corner at 115 without leaning, but had unbelievable quiet comfort.
As I stated in my previous posting, the Azera is a great car for the money, but is not in the same league as BMW or Infinity, especially in the larger models.
The Azera is NOT a performance sedan, it is nothing more than a cruiser with a sexy shape to it. The shape gives it a sportiness, but it's suspension is not fit for sport.
Rockylee is just a bit overzealous.
However, I wouldn't say that the max would get there MUCH quicker. I would STILL take that bet!
Mike
Hyundai must be doing a great job with brain washing. Maybe they hide some secret drug in the A/C system.
Most of us agree that it's a lot of car for the money.
We have fun talking and writing about the Azera.
A lot of us nuts have even customized our Azera's.
But believing that it's the best car on the road is a little over the top.
In any event, they seem to be building brand loyalty.