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2025 Ram 1500 Laramie 4x4 / 2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic
2025 Ram 1500 Laramie 4x4 / 2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic
Didn't know that, I thoguht the RWD and FWD were two different platforms. And I thought Yota was good at making the same car 12 ways!
2025 Ram 1500 Laramie 4x4 / 2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic
Hyundai Genesis, it all starts here."
Phase 1 internet marketing concurrent with the Detroit auto show (debut site). The ads are on Emdunds, for example.
The 2007 Altima and 2009 Murano are now on a new D platform.
My 300C has the Mercedes designed transmission, but it was built in the Kokomo, Indiana plant. The MDS HEMI is built in Mexico
The sheet metal stampings are made in Michigan by US of Aians, and most of the parts suppliers are US of A companies.
All those things must be taken into account. Plus having a plant in Mexico keeps some of those folks employed South of the Border.
Besides, wifey and I like it. :shades:
It's a sedan that looks like it would belong in the same class as the Genesis and the G8, however...the one thing it'll be lacking (at this point) is available V-8 powerplant. According to the brochure I picked up...270 hp Duratec V-6. It'll have a host of features that a luxury car should have. The kicker is...the FWD base price starts out just over $37K, the AWD variant starts out just over $39K. I put one together on line and with the ultimage package which gives you all the bells and whistles, added addaptive cruise control and 20" wheel package...it priced out just over $48K!!!
Also, this in too...stopped by the Hyundai section and they had a Genesis on display. It was getting quite a bit of attention as well. The one on display was a very nice shade of red with a brown leather interior. The grille was the non-"H" version (don't know if this will be production version). According to the representative, the Genesis will be hitting show rooms this summer.
The Genesis, I'm guessing, will be looked at by those same folks that would consider a G8 or 300C, will probably be a few grand more money for which the buyer will get a higher level of 'fru-fru'. Whether it sells or not is a different story.
and you would rather have one of these - instead of a full boat Avalon Limited at $35k? Or an Azera Ltd. or even a Taurus Ltd. at several thousand less than that? I think Lincoln has lost much of its high-end image by offering a mixture of rebadged Ford products (Fusions/Edges/Blackwoods/ Navigators etc etc.) and nothing really unique to the Lincoln brand. Not that GM/Caddy hasn't been known to do the same thing - the DTS/Lucerne come to mind, but at least there are some products out there that are different (and arguably justiying the extra money) . If we accept your contention that this car might be an addition to this 'mainstream' group, aren't we then accepting the Caddy DTS in the group as well? It is, after all, a rebadged Lucerne (or vice versa).
I can actually see the Genesis stealing sales away from the MKS simply because you'll be getting all the same stuff (sans auto high beams and heated rear seats), but more power for about $6000 less. The base price of the FWD MKS starts where the fully loaded top of the line V-8 Genesis starts.
I mean...what is the limit on th criteria for "Mainstream"? When this forum first started, it carried a title of 'Large sedans for under $35K'. Why it got changed to just say 'Mainstream Large Sedans Comparo', not sure. So...to be honest, I don't know why the DTS wouldn't be included now.
I guess for a comparison standpoint, we could easily see how you can get everything that's on a $40K car for thousands less by going with an Avalon, Azera, Maxima, etc.
On another note, anyone notice that on Hyundai's website there is no mention of the Genesis being available with V6s, Hmmm....
2025 Ram 1500 Laramie 4x4 / 2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic
I think the problem Lincoln will face is there's a huge gap between the Taurus and the MKS. I mean...a fully loaded Taurus my sell for just over $30K (MSRP), but we all know that one can be purchased for under $30K. According to the Lincoln site where I build the MKS up...it started at $37 and when I was done loading it up...the price was over $45K.
In my opinion, Lincoln should have priced it starting out at just over $30K and offered a V-8 variant to take it up to and over the $40K mark it hits now.
you really think that someboy willing to pay the extra 10-15 grand to have a "Lincoln" is really going to be interested in something called a 'Hyundai'? I don't. Although I believe that Lincoln is losing its mystique, I also think it still is generally thought of as an 'expensive' (and perhaps overpriced) 'luxury' car that's best bought a year or two old.
The Lincoln shopper at a Hyundai dealership? Not quite as far fetched as that BMW/MB shopper feeling that way, but close.
There's a lot you don't believe, but when you actually see it for yourself, then you'll believe. I for one, have witnessed it first hand. So...whether you're talking BMW, MB, Infinti, Lexus...don't think for a minute that you won't find someone shopping the likes of them, looking at a Hyundai. A perfect example, a guy pulled up in an S500, walks in and says he's interested in looking at the Azera. Said he wanted something that was still nice, but didn't want to spend a whole lot. He further added that he wanted to keep the Benz in the garage till the weekends and wanted a nice daily driver. Go figure...he could have opted for a smaller C-Class if that were the case, but he didn't. Something brought him in to look at, of all things, a Hyundai!!!! Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...stop contemplating what the car buying public will think. Not everyone thinks like you, a self professed car nut that is closed minded to an awful lot.
I agree with you wholeheartedly here!!! With the version they are planning on putting out now, it should be starting out at just above $30K and topping out in the mid to high $30K's. One thing I will give them...they are dumping some technology in the MKS.
How often does that happen again? Likely once a month? Or is it more like once in a sales person's lifetime?
Hey, you are right, things happened so I am pretty sure there is gotta be someone pulled up in a S-class and walks in to buy an Azera. However, if Hyundai is banking on those people to sell the Genesis they might as well pack up the car and ship it back to Korea.
You right - I won't think this way for a minute - only a few years perhaps OR whatever time it takes Hyundai to change its reputation.
THIS, more than anything else is probably the reason why the Azera doesn't sell better. The autobuyer is NOT ready for a $30k Hyundai, never mind a $40k one.
Sonata is smaller and also offers slightly better FE.
Good question.
PS - yes, all the cars in this group are relative appliances when it comes down to 'comparisons' like this because this is no comparison. :P And while this guy may be happy with his Sonata, I would bet you that he also would be the first to tell you the same thing.
Never said that Hyundai was banking on that. Like I've said and still say...Hyundai is offering a bit of luxury to those that want something like an Infiniti, Benz or Beemer and can't afford it. I guess you can call it blue-collar luxury!
That's what I was thinking. Going from $100k, it wouldn't seem like the difference in $24k and $30k would have been a problem. The cars likely have similar maintenance costs. If he truly wanted a Maxima, looks like he would've gotten one. Instead, he chose a slightly smaller more fuel efficient vehicle. Nothing wrong with either choice.
well Hyundai is marketing the car,at least, to those potential MB/BMW etc buyers - very few of whom are 'blue collar'. Which is why they are barking up the wrong tree - those 'white collars' won't listen- the 'blue collars' ,though, MIGHT -on their way over to their local Pontiac/Chrysler dealer.
and sure, I could trade my $30k Avalon in on a brand spanking new $9k Kia but I doubt very seriously that Kia would consider me even a potential buyer even though I could obviously afford several of them. They know that the chances of me ending up in a Korean econobox (or anybody's econobox) are something akin to the chances of that S500 buyer ending up in a Genesis (or a Sonata).
You mean to tell me that every person that's a potential MB, BMW, Infiniti, Lexus or Acura buyer is receiving personal adverts letting them know about the Genesis??? Oh wait, it only shows up on THEIR televisions, right? Maybe, those potential buyers are the only ones getting annoying pop-up ads on their computer telling them about the Genesis, yeah...that's it!
Come on Captain, you're reaching a bit there on that statement. The only thing Hyundai has said is that they looked to the the likes of BMW/ MB and other such brands when it came to creating the Genesis. Does that mean, they are marketing those types of buyers? No, it does not...unless you twist it in your own way to see it. It merely means they set a benchmark to shoot for in creating affordable luxury that the blue-collar types can afford while the white-collar folks are riding around in their Beemers, Benzes and other such fancy rides.
At least Ford is sane with their "Ford Challenge" as they swap only comparable cars (like Accord for Fusion). I would love to see Hyundai's edition of them swapping Sonata to a 5-series, Azera to a LS460 and Veracruz to a RX350. Well, probably the last one might work actually.
I really have no problem with Hyundai's products, what I have problem with is their advertising strategies.
So...since Hyundai says the Azera has more room inside than a 7-Series, that means they are going after potential 7-Series buyers? LMAO You're a riot...truly. No...they are simply saying you can get a nice car with more room than a 7-Series and certainly not pay 7-Series money. That's pretty appealing to someone of the blue-collar nature with a family consisting of 1 or 2 kids, don't ya think?
Stop being so cynical.
As far as the Veracruz to the RX...even Car & Driver has compared the two and said that the Veracruz is a worthy competitor against the RX. Wow...makes you start to think...if the Veracruz can go head to head with RX, why can't any other models do the same with other luxo-models? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm!!!
As for the Azera vs. LS460...
It's almost like North Korea kept saying that they have missiles that can reach somewhere in our west coast but forgot to mention that we have missiles that can hit Kim Jong Il's king size bed whenever we want. :P
It's so tempting pick up a high-end used car for a fraction of the price of a new one. Then, within a year or two, you'll find out that the scheduled maintenance and out-of-warranty repairs on those cars will drain your wallet -- Fast.
In that case, I'm sure the guy would be very happy with an Azera/Maxima/Avalon, which are all great cars and cheap to own, for around $30,000 brand new. Even a Sonata Limited, loaded (leather, heated seats, 6-CD premium stereo, etc) selling for between $20,000 to $22,000 new, is more than enough to satisfy the average consumer.
People who can truely afford to own over-the-top luxury cars are people who are swimming in so much extra money that they don't know what to do with it all -- so they dump some of it on a nice fancy machine.
It's more like: absolutely outrageous to be mentioned in a same sentence with the 7-series and LS.
Same goes for every other car in this category.
why else mention it? This would be from the same guy that thinks Hyundai warranties their cars for 10 years - because they have more faith in them or they are built better? No, not cynicism - it's called realism.
The truth is that Hyundai doesn't know how to 'sell' cars EXCEPT thru price reductions - because in the Azera they do have a car that should be good enough to sell without giving them away. And it still doesn't 'sell' well even after the inevitable 'Korean' discounts.
Yep.