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Nissan Frontier Crew Cab vs Ford Explorer Sport Trac - II
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Quality~Sales
Question for you.Shell for the ST?
Shell as Tonneau Cover?
Shell as Cap?
If thats your question I have the cover on order. Shipments are expected to start next week. I have only seen aftermarket Caps.
Shell Gasoline?
I use Sunoco.
I love these people who come on this page, don't read any of the past posts and sling uneducated comments around! Some of these people don't visit the topic for weeks at a time or even months. I'm with you fordsporttrac...from now on they won't get the satisfaction of my comments. It's probably what they wanted to begin with, because if they wanted real responses they they would come back on and support their comments, but they don't even do that.
Therefore, sales can be influenced by quality but it can never = quality
" #285 of 298: RE:\\(fordsporttrac) (rjkunkle) Tue 11 Jul '00 (10:59 AM)
If you read what I post you will know that I
am strictly ST. I thought everyone would get a
laugh at what I had posted. By no means was it to
start the charade that is going on in the other
board. That board it purely an argument board,
unluck this helpful and informative board.
Thanks, and stay off my back."
In response to that statement, why did you come on here and post anything at all? Were you trying to start an arguement? You don't even know what this board is about! By the way as far as you commenting that the Spot trac board being informative- it sure is if you want to see all the problems with the sport trac. Which is ok, there's nothing wrong with fellow owners sharing their problems or mishaps with their sport trac. Keep in mind that this topic is a comparission board- that doesn't mean that it has to be harsh. We can disagree on topics but those of us who are here regularly are civil. Since this topic's inception the only people that cause problems are people like you and there's been a few Nissan wackos too, but mostly Ford fans that pop their little noses in here spout of some stupid little comments, then sit back and get the responses and go wow the Nissan owners sure are defensive. Let me tell you guys, it the same thing over in any of the Toyota boards. One of the Toyota boards have even had Edmunds kick people off the topics! It seems that there are some American truck owners out there that have a 'complex' about their vehicles and are a little scared that the Japanese are entering the full size market.
Anyways the initial derrogatory comments from ford fans by far outway the ones from the Nissan owners.
Lets start over.
What was your reason for buying a CC? Ruling out the argument that it was cheaper, because if the ST didn't have so many standards it would be a inexpensive vehicle.
Thanks
It's all there. read it and ask questions and we will respond.
A product with good quality will usually get additional sales simply because of the quality of the product.
or
If you make a good product more people will buy it.
Fresh Start:
All of us here welcome you to this board, it's refreshing to have more S/T owners come in. This board is heavy in Nissan owners, one consistent responding S/T owner and a few occasional die-hard Ford/Nissan fans jumping in. I hope you stay on this topic for a while. You will see that we discuss quite a range of topics. This board is also nice because if it does stray off the topic a bit, nobody jumps down your throat...only when you can't back up a fact(which I'm guilty of as well)
As far as my choice keanec is right check out some of the past responses, price had nothing to do with my choice though, well at the most it was the least of my variables (I was originally looking at a F-250 SD). But if you do have any specifics ask us I'll be honest.
On with the comparisons!
How many cup holders does the ST have?? One of my biggest complaints against my pathfinder was no cupholders!! My CR-V had Four front (nice) and two rear. The CC has 2 front, 2 rear. The biggest problem is the front one have a removable liner for larger "cups", that ends up on the bottom of our 600ml (20oz) bottles when you go to take a drink. Take it out, and it is too big. A can does work nice though.
Got 2 in the rear that will hold a standard can/bottle.
Now the final question for the cncman; Have they 1. added two more cup holders up front, and 2. Have they figured out how to get the removable cup holder off the bottom of my Pepsi?
I must say that I do miss the radio controls and the cruise contols on the wheel. Now those are sweet ideas. If I wasn't leasing I would wait until the 2001's came out and convert mine to that. These two items along with a folding rear seat are really the only things that I would want. Everthing else is fine to me.
I don't see anything in my literature about changing the cupholders or the rear seat, it just says "minor interior facelift and new fabrics" so not sure what that is. One thing I like is that they do have a body color package for the XE's if you want the painted grill and fender flares.
There is also a supercharger value package that gives you leather, cruise, security, sunroof, 6disc autochanger, steeringwheel controls and tilt. you can still get the LSD too. I'll post more when I get one, should be the end of the month.
Is the back seat comfortable on both of them for Adults -1/2 hour to an hour..How well are the Crew Cabs holding their value? It is too soon to know about Ford? Thanks for any help-
Ford problems woukd be best addressed by the ford owners such as fordsporttrac,because of their ownership of the vehicle.They can speak from experience.
Welcome back from vacation, and keep up the good work trying to comment on a vehicle that you don't even own.
The CC is the better off road vehicle. The ST has less ground clearance than the CC. The ST is for light off roading IMHO.
The ST has better Interior and Exterior styling. This is my opinion but the ST owners do get allot of head turns. :-)
The ST has a Split Folding 60/40 rear seat, more leg room and the rear seat back angles more. The CC rear seat does not fold and has very little angle.
The ST is 4-5K more than the CC depending on options. But the ST has more available options than the CC.
The ST has 2 seat upgrades, Leather and Super Water resistant. (I'm not sure about the CC)
The ST has a 4.0L engine the CC has a 3.3L. All the CC owners say it is a strong engine but it gets bad reviews for power. Nissan is releasing a Turbo or Super charger (I forget which) to address the issue.
The ST should be the better towing vehicle. But we're debating that here. ;-)
Although the leather seats are VERY comfortable, after my 5 Hour trip I've discovered I dislike the ST's leather Headrest. Sleeping was uncomfortable with out some additional support (ie a pillow). Sitting up was fine but not reclining.
You asked about the Transmission. No problems with mine. Ford has stated they redesigned the Transmissions when they had problems with the Windstar back in 1995. Mine shifts as smooth as butter. I'm amazed at the fact that sometimes I don't even feel it shift.
Known problems with the first run (Job #1) of ST's
The Fuel door (Not Cap) rubs fender when opened.
The Sun roof drip tube can fall off.
Some ST doors are not completely painted on bottom.
The Power Steering pump on some ST's may shudder during tight turns at low speeds. (Ie. while parking)
All of these problems are supposed to be resolved in Job #2 which started at the Ford plant this week. If by chance you buy a Job #1 vehicle the dealer will fix the problems before you pick it up.
Ask yourself what do you want the vehicle for. IMHO the ST is more of a family vehicle. Lower to the ground and more SUV like options. This whole discussion will become a mute point in the late fall when both Ford and Nissan are supposed to release new models.
But I wanted to note that all this hipe about the rear seat in the C.C. While, not the most comfortable I've sat in, it's not that bad. I haven't sat in rear seat in pickup(including the F-250 SD Crew Cab) that could match a car's. But I am 6'-1", 215lbs. and had my brother drive while I sat behind him(he's 6ft) I sat back there with no problems at least not any more than you would find with a small corolla or saturn. True the most uncomfortable part is the angle of the back but I have ridden back there from Tampa to Miami and didn't have any problems, so it's not as unbearable as the mags or competitors would make it out to be, IMHO. I do think that fordsporttrac is right that the S/T has more angle and would prob. be more comfortable but like I say I haven't had anybody complain but rather comment how easy it is to get in and out of the back...as opposed to and extended cab of any make or model.
As far as reliablity I have over 10,500 miles and no problems at all.
Nice summary by fordsporttrac and true on some points.
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Humm is that a mistaken comment? What points were un-true in my post? You got me curious.
1. I agree with Mahimahi that the rear seat isn't as uncomfortable (as compared to the ST) as some people say. As proven by your measurements and mine, the differences are only in the inch range and I don't think you would buy either vehicle if your primary concern was adults in the backseat all the time - The F150 4 door would be much better.
2. As to the Tranny problems being fixed in the 1996+ Windstars; sorry - read the Windstars discussions and you will see that this is absolutely not the case. Now, I am not saying your ST doesn't shift as you say it does, or that you will have the problems that the Windsdtar (and other Ford products) but your statement said that Ford fixed the tranny problems; and I don't think that is necessarily true.
As far as the Transmission.... This is my first Ford so I'll reserve my opinions until I get to 60K ;-) But right now my transmission is running better than my 4Runner ever did. I'm not sure if its the power difference or the 5 Speed OD but sometimes I see the shift in the RPM's but I do not feel the transmission shift. It is very smooth.
I personally don't care if the back seat holds cargo or not - that is not what I need it for - nor what it was originally designed for. I think a benefit of the CC is you can put a cap on the back; I am not sure if the ST will take a roof high cap. That deletes the need for dry storage in the back seat. In fact until my kids car seats get removed (probably 3 years from now)it would just be a pain to have to undo the tether straps and seats for the limited amount of time I would need it.
As to the Tranny, like I said, it probably is a very good shifting/smooth tranny; but will it last? Only time will tell.
And how is laughing at Ford Motor Company for having to buy my Ranger back from me "bashing"?
Can you imagine what an incredible piece of garbage a vehicle has to be for the manufacturer to throw in the towel and actually cut you a check for the full amount of your vehicle? These guys are pros at squirming through loopholes to get out of having to satisfy the customer. But Ford's Ranger was such a total heap that they had no choice but to reimburse me. What a joke of a company. Anyway, sorry if that's bashing, Vince. Truth hurts sometimes. I wonder how many Explorer owners have had their wagons...errrr, SUV's bought back?
Your right, the rear seat has less angle in it than the S/T, but more than a rear seat of a full size extended cab and it's twice as comfortable than a full size(IMHO). I didn't mean to start something here but I was just trying to state that this seat is more comfortable than most of the magazines lead you to believe. I read the truck trend article it's been out for a while. I didn't find anything that interesting or new in it. We've discussed more on this topic than it did. Granted they did load the two vehicles down and did braking tests and start up tests, big deal! Sure the bigger engine shoukd pull more that doesn't take an idiot that figure out. Those of us who have been involed in this topic on the towing issue know what the real differences between the trucks are: one is designed off a p/u truck platform and the other is designed off of a suv. I have never made an issue of the 4.0L's power rather the differences between the vehicle's platform, anyway we've already been over this. I just didn't find anything that interesting in the article that's all.
You can remove the Tonneau, stow it in the bed and still use the bed. Great for those situations when your far from home and grandma gives you a piano. Is it take the piano and leave the cap? Or the other way around.
If you have the cargo cage you can flip open the back half of the tonneau flip out the cage and have 2' of dry storage and 3.5' of open bed.
Or unclip the Cargo cage, clip in the cargo divider (comes with the tonneau) and you have two separate, 2 ft, dry, locked storage areas. Or without the divider, one 4ft storage area.
There are several more combinations of tonneau, cage and divider but I think thats a enough of why I prefer it over a cap.
I doubt I'll still be posting at 60K miles but if my tranny acts up any time before I'm off Edmunds I'll be happy to post it. Right now its working extremely well!
but the rest of us proved that the extent
Sporttrac's offroading capability is the gravel
parking lot at the sweet corn stand.
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I don't recall anyone stating or proving that.
BTW, You kind of sound like Vince only in Nissan mode not Ford mode.
The F150 did have the adjustable peddles but that was about the extent of its unique stuff.
Also, one of the reasons of going to a SUV years ago was because of the "hi" trunk space. Back then , trucks had a seating problem. Now, my seating problem is cured, I have lots of "dry" storage and I can take off the Cap by loosening 4 bolts in 2 minutes and have lots of "wet" space, which I couldn't do with my SUV (I think the old 4 runner was the only medium SUV that could). Yes you are right when you say if you go to granny's and at the last minute you decide to take home a piano, I would have to leave the cap. You can't have everything; but usually Granny lets me know in advance that she wants me to take home her piano (obviously you don't take grandsin the ST)and I can leave the cap at home.
I guess we both have good reasons for our choices. By the way, have you ever seen a cap on a ST? If so, what does it look like? The cap on my CC blends right in (it is colour matched) and makes my truck look far superior than without it (IMHO)
I think I could do a grand in the ST. Just open the cargo cage and put in on end with the narrow part over the sun roof. Piece of cake. Remove the legs first of course.