I would worry about the resale of any Chevy Silverado. Consumer reports has already rated the '99 a used vehicle to avoid. I damn sure wouldn't buy one - I don't care how much you discount it - it still has Hyundai levels of quality.
The Silverado list price is more than a comparably equipped Tundra - just read the Edmund's comparison. Chevies sales are dropping even with deep discounts. The word must be getting out on what a heap they are. Now run along to your Chevy group and convince Chevy owner's what an amazing deal you got.
I don't know why it is necessary to talk about Chevies in this forum, but Z71 has some sort of truck inferiority complex and feels the need to post in a Tundra forum.
Consumer Reports ratings:
Chevrolet C/K1500, Silverado Reliability: Spotty; avoid the 1996 2WD model and the 1995 to 1998 4WD models; also avoid the 1999 model.
Think about something. HMMM 1999 Silverado 1st yr production (redesign). HMMM common sense (if you have any) tells you why it is on the avoid list. Ill let you figure that out.
I just bought a 2000 Limited 2WD with most of the options for $26,280 last weekend ($400 over invoice). I traded in my Pathfinder SE after I test drove the Tundra. I love this truck, and it rides like a luxury car and has plenty of power. So far, I would recommend this truck to everyone.
Not to be a smart #%# but you would recommend this truck to everyone??? What about people who do alot of hauling and towing and actually use their truck for work???
I would say something smart but then you would not be able to understand it. I have posted this many times - The Tundra -at these fire sale prices- is the best buy in a mid-size truck. If you can get by with the small size or you really don't need or want a full truck or if you have trouble handling / parking large vehicles- the Tundra should be at the top of your shopping list. I think we can at least agree on these points? Or do you think the Dakota is a better Mid-size?
No, it is not for everyone. I bought it because it suits my needs. The most that I will ever need to haul is less that 8000lb. For those people that have to haul heavy loads, I would tell them to stay away from the Tundra, F150, Silv 1500, and go with the SD350. Go test drive a Tundra and compare it to your Silv. I think you will agree with me that the fit/finish and engine design is far more advanced than any domestic truck. As a Mech engr student, you should know this already.
I have drove it. Im not saying its a bad truck in no way but its to ill say confining. Small for me. Back seat should have just been deleted on it because they forgot to design one. I love my truck no problems 6100 mls and it gets better with each passing mile. I think this fit and finish is all opinonated. One thing about the finish may bother you but it doesnt bother me you know?
Still posting about size? It must be your TIC (Truck Inferiority Complex) acting up again. (Z is under the mistaken impression that a large piece of junk is more desirable than a slightly smaller quality vehicle) Oh Well.
The Tundra managed to get the 2000 J.D. Powers award for initial quality in its first year of production.
Chevy managed to achieve a -90% predicted reliability in its second year of production. I would stay far, far away from the Hyundais until they get their act together (if ever)
Face facts Z: Chevy = expensive junk
If you are so confident about your truck - why do you feel the need to post to a Tundra owners forum? Must be your TIC acting up again.
six-bolts, torx-55. lossen bolts, bump bed till straight, tighten. 10 minute job at most. I wouldn't trust the dealer unless I had no other choice. Hope your truck makes it out okay (sratch-free, dent-free, oil stain on the fabric-free)
I am looking to buy a 2000 or 2001 Tundra SR5, and am not sure to get a 4x4 for $2500 extra. I live in Chicago, known for snowy winters. Is the 4wd going to be that much safer, and a more appropriate choice? The town hall expertise would be appreciated. Thanks Bob
I am from indiana 35 min from chicago. I know with the last few winters we have had i would go with 4x4 for piece of mind. I got a 4 wheel drive silverado cause i was sick of pushing a 2wd S-10
Ratboy had too many groceries in the back of his Tundra and it made his bed crooked. BTW, has GM bought back your lemon Silverado yet? Tell me you aren't going to use the money to buy yet another GM product!
Hey remember i posted about this tundra by my gfs i only see in the garage. Well i seen him driving it today he was taking it for gas. And to think i didnt think he drove it at all. Must have been topping off the tank
I'd like to join the mud slinging but I'm not very good at it so I just sit here and be entertained by it. I've never hidden anything about what I find unsatisfactory on my truck. With that said, Rwellbaum you were right. Not only it is still crooked, they put a gash on the left rear door and the guy tried to pass it on to me. I could use some information on where these bolts are located and I'm just gonna have to crawl under the truck and do it myself. Thanks.
No need to crawl under the truck. If you have a bedliner...take it off. Buy a Torx-55 socket from Home labyrinth for your 1/2 or 3/8 inch drive. There are six bolts holding the bed on. Loosen the bolts, keeping the Torx head aligned in the hole, so you don't strip the bolt or tool. Use your body(watch the zippers and belt buckles)to bump the bed untill it's aligned to your satisfaction then tighten bolts. It's best to switch back and forth tightening each bolt a little at a time. If your real skinny then have your lard butt neighbor do the "bumping"
The crooked bed is similar to the low oil pressure and 2 second delay in start up situation in the Tundra. It was designed that way. Toyota engineers have determined that a crooked bed helps distribute the load better and also makes the truck more aerodynamic.
Please, don't even start on parts not lining up. At least the bed of the Tundra can be adjusted that 1/8 inch and made perfect. The silverado is no frontrunner in the fit and finish race.
Why do some Chevy owners feel the need to hang out in a Tundra owners topic? I don't see any Tundra owners in Chevy owners topics.
I think it is because the unfortunate Chevy owners realize that their truck has been totally outclassed and they are feeling TIC (truck inferiority complex).
That being said - Why do they expect civility? I don't get it.
By the way babs it is "you're" - not "your". Are you sure you're in college?
Well I've been on the prowl for a new truck for a while and now with my Nissan breaking down, I am getting that urgent feeling. I have been looking at the small 4 door trucks and have started to consider the Tundra. It looks very similar to the F150. I like the addition of the rail cap and bed extender not to mention the quite ride. The back window is also appears bigger than others. Although the back seat is smaller, this truck has the only adjustable head rest in the class. For a guy with a kid, this is good. What I don't see are actual prices!!! Lay those prices out. I am particularly interested in SR5 prices with all the upgrades.
You posted "this truck has the only adjustable head rest in the class" The Dakota doesn't have adjustable headrests? You may be right- you could move up to the Full size Silverado - It is the only truck in its class that has both front and rear adjustable head rests. I also had a Nissan - my kids out grew the back seat. I looked at the Tundra but the back seat is a joke. Small, cramped & uncomfortable - and this was for my 9 year old son. Look at all the trucks - pick the one that meets your needs.
I'm sure it was just an oversight on your part, but ricpr was making comparisons between the four full-size pickups. The mid-size Dakota is in a different class.
I've noticed for the past couple of weeks you've been posting that the Tundra is the best of the "mid-size" pickups. You had better stop embarrasing yourself like that. Remember, we are talking about the truck that has consistently outclassed the Ram, F150, and Sierra/Silverado. In fact, every single comparison of full-size pickups I've read not only includes the Tunrda, but puts it ahead of the others. Are you saying that a mid-size truck can run all over your Z71 like that? Come on, everyone else has come to terms with the fact that the Tundra is full-size. It's time to come to terms with the truth.
And please don't post back with all the nonsense about such-and-such being 34% smaller than the other. When I get together with my friends and family members all of the different full-size trucks are lined-up in the driveway and *none* of us can see any appreciable difference between the F150, Tundra, Ram, and Sierra/Silverado. Go peddle your myths someplace else. Nobody's buying that mid-size BS here.
Took my Tundra to the mountains around lake McClure, CA. Took a bunch of hangglider pilots, their wings, two of their girlfriends and a toddler in a car seat to launch. the "road" to the top is basically a steep creek wash. They all wanted to ride in the Tundra because the ford felt like it was going to roll over all the time. Ford raises the body of their trucks up to make an impression on unknowledgeble buyers. High center of gravity is bad when on the side of a steep mountain. The Tundra crawled surefootedly in 4low up the extremely uneven and boulder strewn wash. I love this truck more each day!
eating Cheetos and turning my fingers orange after all over the weekend... Too lazy to align the bed... Also saw that the 2nd Toyota brand bed liner is now also warped... I'm just gonna run to the dealershop again and wring somebody's neck...
If it makes you feel better calling the Tundra a full size that is fine with me. Whatever makes you happy. I am not saying the Tundra is a bad truck - it is just small. If small is better for you then the Tundra is the right truck for your needs.
I am not saying that the Shakerado is a bad truck = if buying a slightly larger truck which is unreliable and the same quality as a Hyundai is what you want - I can't argue with you. You just have much different priorities than me.
If you bought houses the way that you bought trucks - you would be living in a barn. I can hear it now:
"Z, why are you living in a barn?"
Z: "I got a great deal on it. It is much bigger than your house"
I have lived in a small one bedroom apartment, but now that I have a 3 bedroom house it would be hard for me to go back. Maybe that is part of the problem in understanding the size difference in trucks. Now that I have a full size truck it would be hard to step down to a mid-size or compact. I sometimes have a hard time explaining things that seem obvious to me. Maybe if I put it in terms even you could understand.
Take a X-cab 4x4 Tundra Limited - reduce the HP by 40 reduce torque by 10 cut 218 pounds from the payload capacity slash 2,300 pounds from the max tow rating chop 10.1 inches off the length reduce the wheel base by 15.2 inches squeeze 3.1 inches out of the rear seat leg room decrease cab space by 25% shrink the bed by about 20%
Could you tell the difference in size and capabilities? Even Stevie Wonder (AKA Rushfan2112) could see the difference.
Start with a Silverado LT x-cab 4x4 and reduce the same amounts as above and what do you have - a Tundra with a bow tie. Could I live with a smaller truck - sure - I could live in a 1 bedroom apartment, but that is not what I want to do.
Hey I need a price for a 2001 Tundra LTD V8 Access Cab with these options. AB BB CK DH EJ LA N1 OF RL V3 WI WL If anyone can help....thanks and by the way why aren't you guys spraying in those bed liners?!
Good post. The best I have seen from you. It would even have been better if you had some hard numbers. Like- decrease front leg room by .2 inch. (yes the Tundra does have .2 of an inch more leg room). BTW the 4x4 Silverado does not use rack & pinion steering.
Your last comment about trading in your Tundra on a Silverado - I will take that as a joke. But then you never know - you may need a full size truck someday and may find yourself in a Chevy dealership. If that happens will you change your name to BammaSilverado? Or would that be Bammashakerado?
Went camping again and posted 12.8 going and 13.9 coming back in mpg. Thinking about buying a bigger trailer. It would have to be a ultra lite or a lite trailer to equal the weight of my little heavyweight that I now have.
The question is for any trailer owner is how the new camping trailers will last in the long run. It appears that the new ones are built more to withstand the elements summer and winter, but I wonder how they compare to the previous generations. I currently own a 82 model.
I did not realize that the Chevy has adjustable headrests in the back seat. The Dodge Dakota does not. My logic for choosing the Tyota is simple, I fit in the backseat of the Toyota just fine due to my size (small, 130 lbs.). My son is also tiny. Additionally, the captains chairs option give the cabin of the Toyota a more open feeling. While I think the Chevy truck is OK, they are pricey and do not appeal to me (not based on price). I will agree that the Toyota is smaller in the back seat and the depth of the bed. Has any one seen comparisons between the Toyota 4.7L and the Dodge 5.9L, Ford 5.4L and the Chevy 5.7L. At the Toyota dealership, I noticed the the comparisons are between the smaller V8 motors on the domestic trucks.
I keep seeing all of this bickering back and forth about which big truck is best. Have any of you had any higher education? All of you sond like a bunch of grade schoolers. If any of you would read up on why Toyota has shocked America by introducing a v-8 powered FULL-SIZE pickup truck, you would understand why Ford, Chevrolet and Dodge feel a little threatened. There hasn't been a fourth contender until now. Gripe, complain, lashout irrationally and trash the Tundra all you want. But just exactly how long has Toyota been making these Tundra's? A year or so? And just how long has the other three been manufacturing full-size pickup trucks, Huh? You see, Toyota just took a big step. Ever since the day that Toyota came to this country, Americans tormented, ridiculed and laughed at the idea. Until they started driving them. Then Americans found that they could get 1,2,3,4,5,6,and 7 HUNDRED THOUSAND miles on these vehicles and save THOUSANDS a year on gas prices. No Toyota doesn't offer a lot of pickup configurations right now and no, you can't get a v-10 or a dually that will pull a thousand head of cattle or whatever. But you can get a pickup that you will be able to keep when its paid off. Because it won't die. And when everyone else that laughed at you for buying the Toyota that didn't have that "mean, aggressive look" that is found on the dodge. You will have the last laugh. Because your odometer will have rolled past the 300,000 mile mark. Toyota's reliability reputation is known world-wide. Just because Americans don't drive it doesn't mean that the rest of the world follows us. In fact the terrain found outside the U.S. is unimaginable. And most people get around out there with a stock Toyota landcruiser or a beat up old Toyota pickup. And people in Asia and Europe get around the streets with Toyota corollas and tercels. The Toyota Tundra is, indeed, a full-size, American made pickup truck. In my mind, Ford, Chevy and Dodge are all second place. And second place is the first loser. The Toyota wins.
Maybe that is why you see so many old Toyotas on the road. LOL. The small trucks I had in the past were very good as far as mechanical reliability. The one car was not so good. Brake problems, A/C (compressor and evaporator both replaced before 40K), tranny slip started at 20K - started to slip again after warranty was over but Toyota still fixed it no charge. The starter went bad (cost over $300 for just parts). Also had other small problems. Like the distributor cap cracked (think that part was around $40).
I agree with you - almost- Toyota does make good cars and trucks- but if you think they all go over 200,000 miles without problems you are living in a dream world. IMO -Tundra is the best mid-size truck available today. If you don't need or want the extra room it would be a great buy. It is nice to see Toyota finally offering major $$ discounts on its products. If this would have been the case when I needed a new truck I may be driving one now. Everything I do with my Silverado could be done with a Tundra. But it was not worth $4,900 more (back in mid 99) and also had far less options/features.
Just because the Tundra is good does not make all other trucks bad. The reliability of both chevy trucks I own has been great. The 98 (bought in late 97) has only been in the shop once to lube the drive shaft, my 99 only once to get the tranny program updated and fix a slight stick in the throttle. This is not perfect, but would bet if Tundra owners were honest some of them have needed to take their trucks in for something in the first year.
As far as your on-line name (RUNS FOR EVER) you should buy some Imodium A-D to solve your problem.
I may have finally crossed paths with you....... Saturday(Sept. 23rd) at the intersection of Westchester Dr. and W. Lexington Ave. at approximately 5:30. A white, regular-cab Tundra without the V8 badge turned right onto W. Lexington. You???????
Been drivin the Tundra Limited for a while now and it couldn't be better. This summer it went from California through Nevada, Idaho, Utah, Montana, and Wyoming, racking up thousands of miles. Trouble free, quiet, smooth, decent mileage, and a great daily driver. Can't say enough. (Glad we won our lawsuit against Jeep to pay for this thing, now it's easy motorin')
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The Silverado list price is more than a comparably equipped Tundra - just read the Edmund's comparison. Chevies sales are dropping even with deep discounts. The word must be getting out on what a heap they are. Now run along to your Chevy group and convince Chevy owner's what an amazing deal you got.
Consumer Reports ratings:
Chevrolet C/K1500, Silverado
Reliability: Spotty; avoid the 1996 2WD model and
the 1995 to 1998 4WD models; also avoid the 1999
model.
I rest my case.
Ryan
Ryan
The Tundra managed to get the 2000 J.D. Powers award for initial quality in its first year of production.
Chevy managed to achieve a -90% predicted reliability in its second year of production. I would stay far, far away from the Hyundais until they get their act together (if ever)
Face facts Z: Chevy = expensive junk
If you are so confident about your truck - why do you feel the need to post to a Tundra owners forum? Must be your TIC acting up again.
Ryan
Ryan
I've never hidden anything about what I find unsatisfactory on my truck.
With that said, Rwellbaum you were right. Not only it is still crooked, they put a gash on the left rear door and the guy tried to pass it on to me.
I could use some information on where these bolts are located and I'm just gonna have to crawl under the truck and do it myself.
Thanks.
Where does that leave your shakerado?
I think it is because the unfortunate Chevy owners realize that their truck has been totally outclassed and they are feeling TIC (truck inferiority complex).
That being said - Why do they expect civility? I don't get it.
By the way babs it is "you're" - not "your". Are you sure you're in college?
Ryan
Ryan
adjustable head rest in the class" The Dakota doesn't have adjustable headrests? You may be right- you could move up to the Full size Silverado - It is the only truck in its class that has both front and rear adjustable head rests. I also had a Nissan - my kids out grew the back seat. I looked at the Tundra but the back seat is a joke. Small, cramped & uncomfortable - and this was for my 9 year old son. Look at all the trucks - pick the one that meets your needs.
I've noticed for the past couple of weeks you've been posting that the Tundra is the best of the "mid-size" pickups. You had better stop embarrasing yourself like that. Remember, we are talking about the truck that has consistently outclassed the Ram, F150, and Sierra/Silverado. In fact, every single comparison of full-size pickups I've read not only includes the Tunrda, but puts it ahead of the others. Are you saying that a mid-size truck can run all over your Z71 like that? Come on, everyone else has come to terms with the fact that the Tundra is full-size. It's time to come to terms with the truth.
And please don't post back with all the nonsense about such-and-such being 34% smaller than the other. When I get together with my friends and family members all of the different full-size trucks are lined-up in the driveway and *none* of us can see any appreciable difference between the F150, Tundra, Ram, and Sierra/Silverado. Go peddle your myths someplace else. Nobody's buying that mid-size BS here.
The Tundra crawled surefootedly in 4low up the extremely uneven and boulder strewn wash. I love this truck more each day!
Too lazy to align the bed...
Also saw that the 2nd Toyota brand bed liner is now also warped...
I'm just gonna run to the dealershop again and wring somebody's neck...
If you bought houses the way that you bought trucks - you would be living in a barn. I can hear it now:
"Z, why are you living in a barn?"
Z: "I got a great deal on it. It is much bigger than your house"
"But Z - it is a barn"
"I know, but it is a "full size" barn"
LOL
Take a X-cab 4x4 Tundra Limited -
reduce the HP by 40
reduce torque by 10
cut 218 pounds from the payload capacity
slash 2,300 pounds from the max tow rating
chop 10.1 inches off the length
reduce the wheel base by 15.2 inches
squeeze 3.1 inches out of the rear seat leg room
decrease cab space by 25%
shrink the bed by about 20%
Could you tell the difference in size and capabilities? Even Stevie Wonder (AKA Rushfan2112) could see the difference.
Start with a Silverado LT x-cab 4x4 and reduce the same amounts as above and what do you have - a Tundra with a bow tie. Could I live with a smaller truck - sure - I could live in a 1 bedroom apartment, but that is not what I want to do.
1. Make all of the rods knock because of incorrect bearing clearances.
2. Make it ping on anything other than premium gas.
3. Make its frame so flimsy that it must be braced. Make its rack and pinion steering such low quality that it must be replaced.
4. Take it from a tie with BMW for third in J.D. Powers initial quality rating to 26th (Hyundai levels)
5. Increase its turning radius and braking distances.
6. Decrease its front seat leg room, ground clearance, standard towing and hauling capacities, frame rigidity, quality and reliability.
7. Take away its 2000 J.D. Powers award for initial quality in full size pickups.
8. Charge more money.
9. Decrease its powertrain warranty by two years and 24,000 miles.
10. Take it from a better than average predicted reliability rating to a -90% rating.
Hey! I think we are getting close to the Shakerado! Boy, I just want to trade my Tundra in on one now.
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DH
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LA
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If anyone can help....thanks and by the way why aren't you guys spraying in those bed liners?!
Your last comment about trading in your Tundra on a Silverado - I will take that as a joke. But then you never know - you may need a full size truck someday and may find yourself in a Chevy dealership. If that happens will you change your name to BammaSilverado? Or would that be Bammashakerado?
The question is for any trailer owner is how the new camping trailers will last in the long run. It appears that the new ones are built more to withstand the elements summer and winter, but I wonder how they compare to the previous generations. I currently own a 82 model.
The Toyota Tundra is, indeed, a full-size, American made pickup truck. In my mind, Ford, Chevy and Dodge are all second place. And second place is the first loser. The Toyota wins.
I agree with you - almost- Toyota does make good cars and trucks- but if you think they all go over 200,000 miles without problems you are living in a dream world. IMO -Tundra is the best mid-size truck available today. If you don't need or want the extra room it would be a great buy. It is nice to see Toyota finally offering major $$ discounts on its products. If this would have been the case when I needed a new truck I may be driving one now. Everything I do with my Silverado could be done with a Tundra. But it was not worth $4,900 more (back in mid 99) and also had far less options/features.
Just because the Tundra is good does not make all other trucks bad. The reliability of both chevy trucks I own has been great. The 98 (bought in late 97) has only been in the shop once to lube the drive shaft, my 99 only once to get the tranny program updated and fix a slight stick in the throttle. This is not perfect, but would bet if Tundra owners were honest some of them have needed to take their trucks in for something in the first year.
As far as your on-line name (RUNS FOR EVER) you should buy some Imodium A-D to solve your problem.