2009 Mazda6

m6user

It's so terrible. But the real obnoxious people are the ones without any faults of their own that have nothing better to do than to post insults online.

maxamillion1

...is up on cars.com

Aviboy97,

Does it seem to reflect the pricing you have?

exit123

Point taken, but I call 'em like I see 'em.

aviboy97

Yup. They are correct. I guess it didn't take too long for that to get out.

kam327

I'm pricing various 4 cylinder sedans with leather and moonroof and I noticed that the 2009 6 Touring would cost approximately $27,050 while the 2008 6 Touring costs $23,635. The reason seems to be that on the 2009 you have to get two expensive packages in order to get moonroof and leather, and at that price you only get something called "half-leather" seats whatever that means. To get full leather I guess you have to go up to the Grand Touring model which will push the price up to $28,450 for a 4-cylinder sedan! On the other end of the scale, I can get a Fusion SE with leather and moonroof for less than $22,000 msrp. The '09 6 seems ridiculously expensive....

aviboy97

While the price difference is quite substantial, what I'm about to list is what you get for the extra $$$.

DSC, Xenon lights, dual zone a/c, Bluetooth phone & audio, blind spot monitoring system, rain sensing windshield wipers, welcome lighting system, Bose Audio system, in dash 6CD changer, SIRIUS radio. The Mazda6 is bigger, more powerful and far more refined.

If you are shopping strictly price, check out a 2008 Mazda6.

The 2009 Mazda6 i GT with an auto tranny and moon roof / Bose package is $28,248

kam327

True, the problem is I'd be paying thousands extra for most of those options that I don't want or need.

maxamillion1

that was a point i made a couple of weeks ago when looking on mazdausa.com

If you seek a 6spd manual i touring model, you have to get the conv. pkg and the moonroof pkg or nothing at all and by the time you get those pkgs you might as well get yourself the Grand Touring model.

Overall though, the pricing is no more expensive than the competition.

These go on sale at the end of the month right?

biker4

What's with the 168HP i4? :confuse:

aviboy97

PZEV 2.5L engine is rated at 168hp, not 170, which is only with the automatic transmission. The manual transmission uses the 170hp engine. If you are not in a CAL Emission state, you dont have to worry about it.

jeffyscott

If you are not in a CAL Emission state, you dont have to worry about it.

Why would anyone need to worry or give a moment's thought to a 2 HP difference?

kam327

Maxamillion1, you said:

"Overall though, the pricing is no more expensive than the competition. "

I'd have to disagree with you there. I've only taken a quick look at the Malibu and Fusion but those can be had with leather and moonroof for around $24,500 and $22,000 respectively. Haven't looked at other cars yet but I can't justify spending several grand more for the 6 when I can get everything I want somewhere else. It's a shame because I really like the car otherwise.

jeffyscott

Well, really, it is that you do not like the option package structure. I think Maxamillion's claim is that, when comparably equipped, prices are similar.

kam327

Yeah, I guess I'm just complaining about the options package structure. If all I want is leather and moonroof, I should be able to get just those two options. If I'm out cross shopping cars and all I care about is leather and moonroof, the new 6 is off the list because they force me to get so much other stuff I don't want.

aviboy97

Considering there are many here that bicker about some really dumb stuff, like one car having a 1mpg advantage over another, it would not surprise me to see someone complain about the 2 hp difference.

milkman1

a few hp, 1mpg, 6.9 extra inches and it all starts to add up. At least they give us fog lamps on the cheap.

maximusrtc

Anyone know if Bluetooth can be had as a stand alone option with the 6i Touring? (and if so, how much $)? I'd hate to have to buy the $1610 convenience package just to get this option.

Thanks

jeffyscott

Things like that happen to us all. Having the problem be extra stuff that you don't care about is at least better than extra stuff that you do care about, but in the negative sense. I would have considered a Passat except that they foisted the "upgrade" of "leatherette" on all buyers and I don't like that or leather to the extent that I will not buy a car that will not let me have cloth seats.

My 2007 Mazda6 came with stuff I did not care about, like 6 CD changer...but it was not a problem at the time, as the cost difference was so small (like $500 difference between the Sport Value and base). If the only way to get the things on the SVE version, that I did want, would have added $2000 worth of stuff I did not care about, then I'd have probably given additional consideration to the Fusion or Milan.

altimate

Kam, you might want to consider the aftermarket if you are thinking of adding leather and a moonroof. Firstly, you won't pay a premium for a package with unwanted options. Secondly, you may be able to get a deal either through the dealer or the aftermarket co. for these items.

My last two new cars (99 Galant and 03 Altima) both had aftermarket leather installed through the dealer at a good price. The quality is usually better than factory. I'm looking at an 09Touring and my plan is to either do leather at the time of purchase or later when I have some discretionary funds for the job.

You'd probably be looking at saving 3-4K over the cost of a GT.

m6user

I just used the Edmunds compare tool and the 09 Mazda6 was up. Able to compare all vital statistics: price, size, interior room, features, etc, etc.

mlang2000

Edmunds shows the remote start as a several hundred dollar option on the GT while everything I've seen up until now listed it as standard.

lmp180psu

I am pretty sure remote start refers to being able to start the car from outside the vehicle with the 'fob', not the push button start inside the car. That is standard on Touring and Grand Touring.

exit123

Didn't Mazda have this problem with the 2003 when it first came out? Just about everyone hated the packaging at first but then they improved it for 2004. Maybe they have a new bunch of marketing people so they're starting over again with the same mistakes.

aviboy97

It's not a marketing issue, but rather Mazda trying to make their money back that they spent on the car so far. Once the money starts rolling in for the new Mazda6, they can offer more for the same money.

exit123

I seem to remember during summer of 2002 these forums were on fire with talk of the 2003 Mazda6. Back then, everyone could see it was new and very different from anything the other makers offered. At that time, people even compared it to exceptional cars like the Acura TSX. Fast forward 6 years ... and the totally redesigned 2009 Mazda6 doesn't seem to be generating anywhere near as much interest.

maxamillion1

don't feel bad..it was the same way for the Altima too. I remember back when it debuted at New york in 2001...the forums were on fire for it...but when the new one came out...most weren't in love with it...at least not here...yet sales wise, the 2007-08 Altima is outselling the previous generation by a wide margin...and was doing so before the coupe and the limited Hybrid came on the scene.

I expect this new Mazda6 to be a much better seller than the current one..he'll it's at the top of my family sedan car list right now...it and the Sonata are major contenders for my $$

exit123

Oh no, the first gen Mazda6 was compared to the Acura TSX and the new Mazda6 is a major contender with the Sonata? Something doesn't seem quite right with that.

maxamillion1

You do realize that outside of the US, the TSX is nothing more than the plebian Accord sold all over the rest of the world and that the current (soon to be previous 6) is/was compared with the likes of the current Sonata. LOL

kam327

Altimate, thanks for the advice. I didn't realize that getting aftermarket leather could be cost effective. I'm a little skeptical on the aftermarket moonroof though. At the very least I would think it would be more prone to leaking.

milkman1

They added the final prices and accessories today. Prices went down some. Now just get them to the dealer in time for me to test drive one before it's too late and an Altima is already sitting in my driveway.

mlang2000

Yikes! They added the new 6 to their payment estimator as well. An I4 GT w/ no options on a 3yr/36k lease shows up as $508/mo. By comparison, for another $18 a month, you can have a $9000 pricier vehicle in a CX-9 GT AWD. Let's hope the estimator hasn't been dialed in yet!

maximusrtc

Does anyone know any more about the half-leather trimmed seats that come as part of the convenience package? I'm wondering what options (colors, two-tone appearance, etc.) or if anyone has seen how this looks. I'm really considering an 6i Touring with this package, but am curious if the half-leather look adds any appeal or value.

thanks

altimate

I haven't seen this package but I would suggest that this is the kind of item that you have to see in person to make a judgment about. Autoblog has a ton of pictures posted today including the two-tone black and beige trim. It's quite unusual in that the plastic part of the seat(side and bottom is black while the seat fabric is beige). Also more black in the two-tone throughout which is also unusual.

exit123

what about the 5-door model?

moparbad

North American market is not receiving the 5 door for 2009, and perhaps not at all in later years. Have to wait and see.

m6user

Saw those pictures and that two tone doesn't do anything for me at all. I would rather have it all one color.

altimate

I think you have to go black to get monotone. Most likely both beige and gray options are tu-tone. I agree the tu-tone looks odd. Frankly I wanted beige interior but would probably reascess given how it looks. Kona Blue with black looks like my preliminary choice.

m6user

My 07 6 has the all black interior. I like it as when I set my black Magellan GPS and the dash friction mount into the rear seat footwell it "disappears". It's a very quick way of hiding of when leaving the car for short times and not tempting a smash and grab thief. Since most auto accessories like that seem to be black, the black interior does come in handy. Besides I think it looks pretty good in that color as well.

maxamillion1

...except for the I4 model alloy wheels. What's up with Mazda and the "snowflake" design for all of their wheels???

I actually like the two tone gray interior...and I'm no gray interior fan. I think the colors contrast well and give off a VW vibe.

I was driving across Interstate 80 yesterday and I spotted a Dark Cherry 2009 Mazda 6 being driven by a young lady...it was interesting to actually see one on the road. Apparently it was a V6 model. I drive a truck so I see quite a few cars out on the road from time to time. It looks even better in person IMO.

austinman7

Interesting that you saw one out in public, so to speak. Wonder if she was an employee or test driver or what? How did that cherry black color in particular strike you?

groovypippin

I just got all the Canadian specs and prices, so if anyone has any questions about the Mazda6 north of the border please feel free to fire away.

bigdadi118

With the economy, skyhigh oil price, no too many people have chunk of spare money for new cars. Leave alone some are in foreclosure. I didn't see Sunday paper come with that many pages of foreclosure auctions for a long while.

maxamillion1

Yea...it looks really nice in motion.

Question for anybody who might know this...but why is Mazda limiting colors for manual transmission models. I looked on Mazdausa.com and it seems that only Performance Red, White, Dark Gray and Black will be available for the manual transmission models. I like the Dark Cherry Red color!!! I also noticed this on cars.com when i went to build one. Aviboy, any clue as to why Mazda is doing this??? I also noticed that the Gold color (Smokestone) which is shown in a handful of Autoblog (or is it Leftlanenews) photos isn't even listed as a color for the new 6 (not that I liked that color) so what's the deal, pickles?

rsen1

groovypippin,

I am in Winnipeg and have not been able to pry any information from the dealers here. I have some questions:

What are the prices for the 4 models ( GS and GT 4 cyl, GS and GT V6)?
Are there power, heated seats for all 4 models or just certain ones?
Do you know when the car will be available in showrooms?

Do you have all the prices/specs in an e-mail or pdf that you could send me? If so, that would be greatly appreciated. My e-mail address is rsen@mts.net

Thanks

aviboy97

Every color is available for the manual transmission on the Mazda6. To start, Light Ice Blue and Smokestone are limited to i GT's and s GT's with an auto only. This is how it sits now. I know for a fact that Silver, Black, White, Blue, Gray, Red are available. Also, for the first allocation, dealers were not allowed to order any Black Cherry with a manual transmission. I really think once production is in full force, we will see all colors on all trims.

exit123

Must have been a pre-production model since according to a press release from Mazda, Job One was 7/23/08.

Maybe it was a Mazda engineer driving it ... or the the girlfriend of the CEO of Mazda USA.

maxamillion1

perhaps so..etiher way it sure was pretty. I saw it off I-80 Between Grand Island and North Platte Nebraska. I'm from the SE and I can't believe how big some of the states out west are. Seems like it took me all day to get across Nebraska. LOL

guss

It's a big country we'll leave the light on for ya.

I stopped by Mazda dealer and the sales rep said he thought they would have one in on Thursday 7/29. I thought that was optimistic because they did not even have broushure. in yet.

Is the red cherry color that you saw the same as the dark cherry on the previous generation ? That was always my favorite color too.

Does anyone know if the alloy wheels are only going to be offered in the one snow flake style only ? Not that I don't like it , just wondering if their is any other options.

altimate

I was kind of surprised that Job 1 was only yesterday.

For some reason I thought production had started several weeks ago. I would presume that any real availability will be 4-6 weeks away.

Aviboy, do you have any idea what kind of volume your dealership is expecting in the next 30-60 days. I'm anxious to make a decision soon as I have maintenance issues with my current vehicle that I would like to avoid.

Also, what would you expect would be the most available models in the early going. I'm looking at i Touring as my preference. Any idea what are the odds of dealers accepting S-Plan from the get go.

altimate

There are two different sets of alloys. The18" snowflakes which are top of the line on GT only and the 17" which are standard on Touring and optional on others. The 17" is also kind of snowflake in the form of multiple triple spoke design. I'm kind of a plain old 5-6 spoke kind of guy. Not in love with either of these choices.