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2009 Mazda6



  • drfilldrfill Posts: 2,484
    Mazda designs the cars, and Ford foots the bill.

    Ford has to take some responsibility.

    Considering the '08 Focus vs the '08 Mazda3, it's looks like Ford wouldn't know what to sell a customer, since they actually are a party to the best vehicle in class.

    How Ford doesn't sell a version of the Mazda3/Volvo S40 platform is a travesty! :cry:

    Ford deserves some grief alright.

  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    Mazda designs the cars, and Ford foots the bill.

    Not true. Mazda does make decisions for them selves, and they are not financed by FoMoCo. Believe it or not, Mazda has profits and expenses of their own, like r&d! Please, do not make ignorant posts like this, you are helping no one!
  • drfilldrfill Posts: 2,484
    The only ignorant one here is you. ;)

    The are owned by Ford, and Ford has to sign off on their major production projects. Mazda isn't spending a Billion on a new car platform without Ford approving it.

    Mazda doesn't work in vacuum.

  • joe97joe97 Posts: 2,248
    aviboy97 is hardly being ignorant.

    While Ford does have 33.9% of controlling interest (which has recently and finally transferred from Ford Int'l Holding to FMC), Mazda does have its own maneuver and freedom. The two companies aren't consolidated, hence the reason for separate reporting between the two.
  • jeffyscottjeffyscott Posts: 3,855
    How Ford doesn't sell a version of the Mazda3/Volvo S40 platform is a travesty!

    How many Foci were sold in the US in the last 12 months? I'm guessing a lot more than the sum of Mazda3 and S40 sales. The majority of US consumers will not pay a premium price for smaller cars, this is why the cheaper old design of the Focus is still sold here. It is not Ford's fault that the typical US car buyer sees vehicle value in terms of dollars per pound or dollars per cubic foot.
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    Well, they can get rid of redundant, rebadged Fords at Mercury and send the Euro Focus, Mondeo, etc. to the US badged as Mercurys or bring back the Mercur name plate. It would get these cars over here and give the dying Merucry dealers something unique to sell.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    yes, they are two different companies.

    CEO for FoMoCo is Alan Mulally. CEO for Mazda Motor Corp. is Hisakazu Imaki. Why would there be a CEO for Mazda if Ford called all the shots?? Oh, that's right. They don't.
  • mz6greyghostmz6greyghost Posts: 1,230
    That's funny, I thought this discussion was about the upcoming '09 6, and not who owns who, who's controling who, or why the 3 and Focus are different...

    On-topic: This may be news to you, but it seems that the '09 6 both here and abroad WILL share the same platform.

    This leads me to believe that the next 6 will be as similar here and abroad, as the current-gen is now. The differences will be only the front and rear ends (in terms or bumpers, lights, etc.), as well as engine and other options.

    If, by chance, Mazda does take the time to read this, I have a few requests:

    1. HIDs should be a stand-alone option, as well as a moonroof. I shouldn't have to suffer buying a useless Nav system and an automatic transmission to get these options.

    2. A trip computer and keyless start should be standard across the board. My wife's Altima has the keyless start, which at first I thought it was a cheap gimmick, but after using it in a variety of situations, it's really quite helpful and convenient.

    3. Allow the option of a dedicated summer tire in place of the miserable Michelin all-seasons that are offered currently.

    4. Heated seats with a cloth interior? Even Saturn offers this option...

    5. Since they're replacing the round Ford-style vents with the 626-style square untis in the dash, bring back the oscillating option!

    6. Other than that, keep the usual Mazda traits (useful power, excellent handling, steering feel, and braking), and you have a repeat customer. :shades:
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    This may be news to you, but it seems that the '09 6 both here and abroad WILL share the same platform.

    This is what I have been trying to beat into the thick headed people here that seem to think the U.S is going to get a totally different 6 then the rest of the world. It is just too expensive to do that. Mazda has never done that before, so, why start now??
  • qddaveqddave Posts: 164
    aviboy is right. have any of you even seen the domestic spy shots? they are essentially the EU version with slightly larger bumpers and different head/tail lights. get over it, it'll be the same vehicle, only manufactured at Flat Rock and available with the beast of a V6.
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    It is not too expensive to have two platforms if they warm over the existing 2007 platform with new sheetmetal and interior.
    That is what has been done with the Ford Focus for the last several years and they are going to again stretch it a few more years with the restyled 2008 Focus.
    Ford is doing this to save money, and they never did that before either, so it is possible Mazda will do the same.
    Maybe the US will get the same model as the new European Mazda6, but that's not what articles about the new Mazda6 have said.
  • mz6greyghostmz6greyghost Posts: 1,230
    Re-read my post #115. Then read it again. If you still don't get it, read it a third time. Click on the articles I linked as well.

    And as Aviboy has stated himself, he WORKS for Mazda, he knows what he's talking about. I know of other sources inside Mazda that have stated the same thing.

    And you're basing your conclusions on "rumors" from car journalists? :confuse:
  • Aviboy97 where on mazdas website did you see info on the new mazda 6 and what is mazda plan for 2008 for the 6
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    Maybe the US will get the same model as the new European Mazda6, but that's not what articles about the new Mazda6 have said

    Sometimes we all take what authors in magazines say as the real story. Infact, many of these authors are trying to sell what they are writing. Not all the time are they fact based. Mazda, nor any mfg, will talk to a magazine and tell them of their ultimate plan. Mfg's want to tell the world, themselves.

    I don't know if any of you remember when the Mazda MX-Crossport was to be built, now the CX-7? Everyone thought the CX-7 was going to have the 3.0L 215hp V6. I was telling everyone that it was getting the MZR 2.3L DISI Turbo, and no one believed me. Does this mean I am always right? No. But, in this case, look at the facts. The camo covered Mazda6 that has been seen under going testing in Detroit is virtually the same as the car from Frankfurt. The rear tail pipes looked a bit different,and it seems the front bumper may be slightly different as well. Now, also look at Under the "news" section, Mazda placed a pic of the front end in a press release. It's the same as the car we saw in Frankfurt. I, personally, attended a Mazda function in Syracuse, NY, where Mazda's top brass talked about the upcoming Mazda6 for a part of the session. The pic's were IDENTICAL to the Frankfurt car as well. From what I have seen, and heard, I have no reason to suspect the NA version of the Mazda6 will really vary from what Mazda showed us in Frankfurt. Now, as far as features and engines go, I have no clue. I have not been privledged to that info. As soon as I am, I will share it with all of you.
  • qddaveqddave Posts: 164
    The 2008 6's are already on dealer lots. The design is a carry-over but Mazda cancelled the wagon and hatchback.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    The design is a carry-over but Mazda cancelled the wagon and hatchback.

    They canceled only the wagon. The hatch's are still an option.
  • jeffyscottjeffyscott Posts: 3,855
    I think it is only the wagon that is discontinued and the hatchback (5 door) continues to be available in the 2008 model.
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,868
    MazdaSpeed6 ended it's 2 year run and Wagon6 not offered for 2008.

    2009 Mazda6 is still a mystery as to exactly what we will have in the US. Most likely the same Mazda6 as Europe and Japan with minor modifications to bumpers, lights, trim and glass and a V6 option.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    I'm very curious to see whether we get the 3.7 or 3.5 V6. My guess is we are going to get the 3.5, simply because the new 6 will be built here. I highly doubt the 3.7 will be shipped here. However, I can't imagine Mazda making changes to produce the 3.7 in Japan for the CX-9 only.
  • exit123exit123 Posts: 136
    "i saw on the web today they are beginning mule testing of the new 3. the photo looks the same as current 3, but they are indicating of course a boost in horsepower due to changing to the new 2.5l engine along with a bigger car with styling cues of the new generation 6."

    Where did you see that?
  • qddaveqddave Posts: 164
    Isn't the Lincoln MKX getting a version of the 3.7L as well? The sales manager at my dealership told me that both Lincoln and Mazda were getting upgraded to 3.7L but each would be tuned for their respective vehicles. If that is true, than I would assume it would easier to get it into the new 6.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    Isn't the Lincoln MKX getting a version of the 3.7L as well?

    I have not heard that, and I am affiliated with a Ford/Lincoln/Mercury dealer.

    I was also thinking, since the tranny's already come from Japan, maybe they would ship the both of them together?? I think Mazda needs to use the 3.7 because the power would put it over Camry and Accord and Altima.

    You know what we have not talked about here, is the possibility of the 2009 Mazda6 being offered in AWD. I have heard nothing of the sort yet, but, I am curious.
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  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    Could possibly be similar to the JDM version of the Atenza. After looking at the numerous spy shots taken of the Mazda6 in Michigan, I noticed the front grille was the "sport" type grille, instead of the black plastic mesh type. Also, the wheels were the same. If it holds true, we are getting one damn good looking Mazda6.
  • Yea, I hope they keep the 6 for NA roughly the same as the one they debuted in Frankfurt. Frankly, I'm lost as to what kind Americanizing the vehicle needs. After all, it is significantly larger than the outgoing model, it will have more power in both i4 and v6 trims, and they need to keep the handling sharp in order to retain their brand identity.

    Avi, do yo know the eta for 2009 Mazda6? Rumors earlier were that it would be coming early 2008 (springtime). Any indications of that from your end?
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    I have heard nothing yet. I am starting to receive my 2008 inventory, and I can still order 2008's, which really remains unchanged from 2007. I have been told that MY2008 will be a short production run. As soon as I am able to order the 2009's, I will post an ETA.
  • exit123exit123 Posts: 136
    I hope we get a 2009 hatchback with the 2.5L and 6-speed manual. :shades:
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  • murphydogmurphydog SeattlePosts: 703
    Current have a 3s with most of the bells and whistles (ok, no Nav) and I love it. This new 6 will be my next car if it looks as good in real life as it does in pictures. :shades:
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