I am just beginning to have tranny slipage problems with my 05 odyssey. I am just wondering being it's under warranty until 60,000 mile( which I have 58,800) will it be totally covered or will they still try to force the parts/labor split?
I have an 2000 Odyssey that I just had the transmission rebuilt. The car is out of warranty but seeing from this forum, I'm not the only one having transmission problems. My transmission was erratic in shifting when I bought it last November and over the Holidays, quit shifting all together. Luckily I wasn't in traffic or on the interstate. I am fed up with my local Honda dealer (charging $85 for nothing but a look-see) in general so I called my local CarMax location to see if they would work on my transmission. While they do some work on cars that they haven't sold, they don't do transmissions. They did, however, turn me on to their transmission mechanics. I took the car to them and they fixed the problem in one day - to the tune of $2400. However, I now have a 12 month - 12,000 mile warranty on the tranny. I now have to get the timing belt changed. Another $600 at Car Max's engine mechanic.
With that all being said, I like my Odyssey and plan to keep is a few years more - if all goes well. I like the roominess and especially the folding rear seat. I had a '96 Odyssey in Germany and loved it. I put 50,000 miles on that one in 4 years and had nothing but good luck with it - thus my recent Osyssey purchase. I am, however, becoming leary of the brand based on these postings.
I also have a '95 Toyota Avalon - nice car!!!! Great acceleration and what not. I've only had it a month but have had no problems. I think I'll go Toyota on my next car purchase!!!! Honda can kiss my grits.
Its not going to be too long. Your Odyssey is going through the same process as everyone's here in this forum. Slight trans slip in the beginning then flashing D. You'll shrug it off at first and the day will come that your beloved Honda Odyssey will just stall while it tries to accelerate in the middle of the road or worse - on the freeway.
That's the day you will curse HONDA :lemon: and swear not buy any of their products again.
I would advice not to use your odyssey until it is fixed. My wife and kids were in the Odyssey when it stalled while making a turn and almost got rear ended. I'm sure you would'nt want that to happen to your family.
Just call AMERICAN HONDA and tell them you are aware of it. you can do the 'be polite game' for awhile until you get a good. deal. Most get 50-50. Hope you get a better one.
"I doubt that Kia or Hyundai with their 100,000 mile warranty would charge you any less than the generous Honda offer."
Unless you have personal and direct experience with either Hyundai or Kia, why would you make such a statement? If a 6-year old Hyundai's automatic transmission failed with 89K on the clock, the transmission would be replaced free of charge. Contrary to some beliefs, Hyundai's and Kia's 10 year/100K warranty is real, and they back it up. Conversely, most Hyundai 4-speed automatics don't fail within 100K, so the argument is rather moot.
Not a good sign if '05s are starting to go (being as I have one!)
We only have 33K now, so might be safe for a while.
BTW, the 2005 doesn't have a 5/60,000 powertrain warrenty. That started in 2006, so you are out of warranty.
As long as the class action suit catches up before I need one, I won't worry.
Or my wife could end up following up on her thoughts about getting something new! Although it might be the squeaks and rattles that drive me over the edge first.
Now I am sorry I missed the window to get an ESC. Oh well. Guess I gave them too much credit for having isolated and fixed the problems by the 2005 MY.
Oh, and if our tranny crapped out while my wife was drving on the highway and the van just died, she would never drive in it again. It would be towed, fixed and immediately sold!
Honda is outrageous in the way they handle their transmission flaw. Please file complaints with all the agencies or media that you can think of. Please at the least file a complaint with www.safercar.gov for the government to investigate into this matter.
Why is there no disclosures required by the government on American Honda to their affected customers' on their design failure? It is a matter of public safety and human lives. American Honda's customers have the right to understand the problem to prevent crashes or accidents as a result of lack of information.
I guess the government looks after these big companies better than the consumers. The economic impact of shutting a company far outweighs that of a dissatisfied consumer.
Hard times are coming. Our problem will not surely not get any attention anytime soon.
Got my response from BBB. They said they can not do anything if the car is over 36,000 miles. But I told them it's NSHTA Recall issue and doesn't matter if warranty is over. I guess BBB will open their eyes when they see dead families being taken out of Odysseys on TV. :sick:
Car Transmissions are made of planetary gears inside. And these gears have teeth that mesh with one another. One reason transmission slip can occur is when a tooth breaks and can not mesh with the other gear. A gear with a broken tooth will soon damage the gear it is mating with and that is what will make the car stall.
Honda's automatic transmissions are not the traditional planetary gear style. It's an "automatic version" of a manual transmission. It has clutch plates like a manual transmission and I believe that's what is failing in the Ody (including mine at 98,000). That slipping you feel in your Ody is the same feeling you get when trying to learn how to drive a stick shift or when you drive your Civic stick shift for 250,000 miles and the clutch finally goes (been there, done that.)
As the Honda cars get bigger/heavier and the engines produce more horsepower and torque, they are going to have to abondon this transmission design for a more traditional design.
BTW, I think there are 2 issues with the honda transmission. The oil jet was to countermeasure a gear tooth over heating on a drive sprocket. This failure would cause tranny lock up. The 2nd issue is the transmission slipping (which is most of what you see on the forum). I believe the tranny slipping is a function of the clutch plates breaking down.
I am surely disappointed to hear about BBB's response to your complaint. But please do not give up. I have prepared my complaint to NHSTA. I will mail it back to them with supporting documents next Monday. I just hope they won't disappoint us. Will keep you posted when I hear something back from them. You are so knowledgeable. I am sure your complaint to NHSTA will be very powerful and persuasive.
I would be interested to know if the real problem with the Odyssey transmission is related to excessive clutch wear. Friction material floating around in the fluid will no doubt lead to clogged passages, which means missed or very hard shifts, which eventually leads to burned/broken shift soleniods or even damaged gears. Every time I change the tranny fluid in our van the shifts get smoother for a few weeks.
Of course, the aftermarket makes all kinds of fantastic ceramic clutch packs and better steels than Honda (or any other manufacturer) would ever put in EOM equipment. See the eternal Turbo 350 and 400 for examples of garage mechanics reengineering an EOM part to make it drag strip ready and nearly bullet proof.
Update... visited dealer today with my formerly trusty 2002 Ody w/64K miles. Ody drove & shifted fine the 65 mile drive there, but the green D flashed the whole way. Was told the code P0710 showed a bad transmission temperature sensor. They ordered part and I will return next week for sensor replacement. Dealer claims this will fix problem of abnormal shifting (hesitant shifting, bumpy shifting from 1st to 2nd) I've experienced off & on for 5 days now. I am skeptical... we shall see. Any thoughts?
Its not going to be too long. Your Odyssey is going through the same process as everyone's here in this forum. Slight trans slip in the beginning then flashing D. You'll shrug it off at first and the day will come that your beloved Honda Odyssey will just stall while it tries to accelerate in the middle of the road or worse - on the freeway.
That's the day you will curse :lemon: HONDA and swear not buy any of their products again.
I would advice not to use your odyssey until it is fixed. My wife and kids were in the Odyssey when it stalled while making a turn and almost got rear ended. I'm sure you would'nt want that to happen to your family.
Just call AMERICAN HONDA and tell them you are aware of it. you can do the 'be polite game' for awhile until you get a good. deal. Most get 50-50. Hope you get a better one.
You guys are really scaring me. I'm about to buy a 07 EXL for b/w $25.5 and $25.9 which is a great price. But all these issues regarding droning noise, transmission, brakes...
It's definitely a plus to have these forums. So much info that most dealers have no idea about.
I got a 50/50 deal. I took it; but it's an insult. I had my transmission serviced in August; took it in for rough shifting in December. By January (and my family's first ski trip ever), it was slipping and needed to be replaced. Mine is in the shop as we speak. My 'half' is $1600 plus tax. I'm drafting a letter to shotgun everybody. So far, these are the prospective recipients: Honda of America Better Business Bureau Attorney General's Office
Honda is all over the board on this one (100%, 50%, 0%, labor only). You can't tell. They just turned a loyalist into the enemy. I never thought I'd use Honda and Jeep (BAD experience with a 1997 Wrangler) in the same sentence. :lemon:
Where are you located? What dealer did you go to? Your story is almost identical to mine. 2002 Odyssey EXL-DVD, 89k miles, just had to pay $2200 out of $5000 for a new transmission. They wanted $572 more for front and rear motor mounts (which I declined after already having to pay out $2200). And another $380 for an Idle Air Control Valve (on top of the transmission failure, the idle started surging and it actually stalled out on the way to the dealer...)
We had just gone to Reno, NV for Christmas to play in the snow, and near home on the way back to the NorCal Bay Area, all the lights went on, and the van could not even make it up the slight incline of our driveway.
Took the van in Dec 31, just got it back Jan 18 after dealing with the Honda case manager (responsiveness rating = 0) and the dealership (responsiveness rating = 0.1, on a 10-point scale). The back and forth took 3 weeks, the repair took 2 days once they finally ironed out their details.
Go buy a Sienna, XLE with leather, for about the same price. I've been checking around for pricing since our Ody went in for the new tranny. Check out Dublin Toyota if you are in N.Cal. Their internet sales manager beat out all the other dealers I asked. I've seen others post that they got 7yr/100k miles extended warranty on Sienna's for about $900.00, get it to cover the tranny. Just don't get a Honda.
very tempted to get sienna, but sienna is brand new body style in 2009 (end of 08). Thinking of waiting till then, maybe even better deal on 08 sienna or maybe i'll want to get the new body style.
seems like trans issues in sienna forum as well.
thanks for the info everyone
I'm in Socal. maybe i'll just get a quote from your norcal dealer and have my socal one match it.
If you can wait, then wait for the new Sienna and/or the deals on the 08 Sienna when the 09 is almost released...
Honda really showed their true (ugly) colors by the way they handled my transmission replacement. A real eye opening experience. Customer Service is not in their vocabulary anymore.
I think So.Cal will have the same deals on the Sienna (currently $1000 rebate, or 3 years 0.0% financing...). I would think So.Cal would be less expensive than Nor.Cal (picked up a 2005 Mercedes C240 for below invoice at Laguna Niguel...)
Well, painted into a corner and had no choice but to take the 50/50 deal they "graciously" offered. I was told that the only reason that was offered was that I had owned quite a few hondas in the past. I told the lady, you know what, I dont want to hear that. I want to hear that its being offered because you KNOW that its faulty equipment. Oh well. I needed the van back, so no choice. My half is about $1332...
Not bad, your $1332 is a better deal than my $2300. Did they also change the PCM computer? Also, make sure you get the 3yr/36,000mile warranty on the new tranny. Since you "participated" in the payment, that's what you are supposed to get. Don't let them snake you into new motor mounts either...I found the parts at Bernardi Honda online for about 30% off, and just ordered them and will have someone else (not the dealer) install them.
I filed formal complaints with the above agencies today. I hope someone in the government cares about human lives and road safety as to investigate into the manner that American Honda is handling their design flaw. I remember quite well when I asked my dealer about their 04 recall and was told that it was an extra service by Honda to enhance the car's performance. I did not have any doubt about Honda until my transmission failed on me.
Thanks to this website that I have learned the real purpose of the 04 recall. Does Honda have the right to withhold information to their affected customers about their recall? It is important that Honda should be honest to their affected customers to prevent crashes from happening. Honda does not care about human lives and road safety. I refer the authorities to read our messages here to see how serious the problem is and how unethical Honda is dealing with their design flaw.
...Very well said. Please let us know the response of the agencies if any. As mentioned in my previous post, the BBB's response on my complaint was very unfavorable.They explained that they can not do anything if the car is out of warranty.
I'm still waiting for NHSTA's response. Hope something comes out of it.
I decided to have 3-year lease on my 07 ODY, everything is covered under warranty, so not to worry going thru this tranny problem and any other that may come up unexpectedly. $4100 is good for almost 20 monthly payments. I got rid of 03 Mazda MVP right before the warranty expires due to the tranny jerk problem. Even Mazda came up the fix but I still think the tranny already hurt and not 100% good. I drive a new car every 3 years and no worry of selling the old one. I got a good 3-yr lease 36,000 miles deal on 07 ODY LX, $2000 down & 198/month for 36 mos. Sales tax is 5% of 198, which is extra $10/mo.
By the way the 06-07 ODY has a bad design on the front bumper opening. It is wide open and this may have road debris easily to puncture the condensor piping. Honda considers it as accident and won't warraty it, it is $750 repair bill. I spent $4 and 45 mins to install Home Depot's gutter mesh with plastic ties to avoid such potential problem due to Honda's poor design. You can get material option, great photos and how to on the "...Grille Insert" thread.
I'm thinking of trying out Korean van. I rented a Sonata before and was greatly impressed with the handling and the interior is far better than Honda Accord.
And the 100,000 km warranty sure is tempting. DEFINETLY No more HONDA :lemon: for me.
Got a call from the Honda Dealer today that I'm getting a new transmission in my 2007 EXL. I have 799 miles on that car... it doesn't even have license plates yet!
I thought from the beginning that the shift into 3rd gear was rough. It also gave a lurch when accelerating after slowing down (like after you turn a corner). The final straw was when it revved up to 4000-5000 RPM and wouldn't shift out of first gear until I let up on the gas completely. It did this to me on the way to pick up my son yesterday, so I just drove it straight to the dealership.
Not surprising to hear same problem on 2007 HONDA :lemon: ODYSSEYS.
That is a really outstanding record from 1999 to 2007...simply AWESOME DEFECTIVE HONDA ODYSSEY. Almost a decade of consistent transmission problems!
Here are some suggestions to :lemon: HONDA COMPANY 1. Send all HONDA Engineers and Designers back to school and never re-hire again 2. FIRE all QUALITY CONTROL Personel for hiding the defects. 3. FIRE all the SALES People for lying about reliability about their cars. 4. FIRE all CASE MANAGERS with Real CUSTOMER SERVICE People. 5. FIRE the President. 6. SHUT DOWN THE :lemon: HONDA COMPANY. 7. Go back to making SCOOTERS.
Honestly I would not have touched a Korean car or van with a ten foot poll a couple of years ago but they have made major improvements. The selling point for me was the price + warranty. Since I am in PR we have to pay a rather large excise tax on all vehicles which add usually at least 4 grand to the price of everything. Anyway starting price on the Ody was 32,000 / Sienna was 30,000 and I picked up my Sedona for 19.5! That is ten thousand five hundred less then the Sienna! The new Sedona / Entourage is a nice van. Good power 250hp/253tq, decent economy about the same as the Ody, and a great warranty. I only have 7k on my van and no issues at all. Runs great on 87 octane and I have not heard of anybody having engine / transmissions problems. If you look at the Sedona forums the problems have been very minor stuff, few little electrical things and a couple if design flaws on some very early 06's with the redesign but nothing major.
You know what is funny to me is you look at consumer reports, which I usually like, they lowered the rating for the Sedona because of the small little things that were not quite right on the first year model but say nothing about the huge Ody tranny problem. Makes me wonder. They also say nothing about the huge problem with the Sienna's door welds failing. I am starting to think they are more biased then I thought.
The price you pay though is depreciation. It does not bother me because I plan on keeping my van for a good long while. I am very happy with my van. Comes standard abs, traction, tire pressure monitor, windshield deicer lots of airbags, 5 star crash rating in all categories, rear seats fold flat, and that manual shifting mode which I think is pretty much standard on all vans on all vans.
I noticed in the 2007 Car edition of Consumer Reports that the Honda Odyssey has a high problem rate (defined as exceeds 3 percent) for transmissions for 01-03. A high transmission problem appears in ratings of 01-02 of the Acura MDX, 01-03 Acura TL, and some years of other Hondas too. Based on messages in this discussion I would guess that in subsequent years CR will revise upward the reported problems of transmissions in the ratings of 04s and newer Odysseys (the 04 has a problem rate of below 2 percent but greater than 1 percent, while 05-06 has a problem rate below 1 percent).
What other problems were you having with your van? Our 07 EX, bought on 5-28-07 is on it's 3rd transmission now, 1st new one at <3000 miles and the next at <10000 miles. We are still having the same problems and Honda is bringing a field tech from another sate on Monday to look at it again! We had a horrible jerking between 2 & 3rd gears and sometimes it would literally feel like the front end was moving on it's own. After the first one was replaced, something got messed up in the suspension and now (after they have tried to fix it twice) we have a horrible popping and grinding sound when going over the slightest bump and always when turing left. Be careful after you pick the van up, it is very possible that parts get broken or not installed right after such a major repair. If it is not fixed next week, our only other option is to use our states lemon law.
Faith restored... Recap: 02 Ody EX with 64K miles, abnormal shifting, hesitation between shifts, variable symptoms, not every shift, flashing D light. Took to dealer... diagnosed faulty transmission temp sensor. Replaced today. Drove home 70 miles & all is well. Very good dealer service in Traverse City, MI. They even washed the car. Job was done quick, 1.5 hours while I waited.
Thanks for sharing us your insights on Korean Vans. I, too would'nt bother test-driving a Korean car before. And I am still arguing with myself of getting one but we have to be practical and not go with hype because it is a Honda. Honda Quality does not mean anything anymore to me. Where is HONDA quality if your car transmission breaks down at 60,000 miles and they assign you a case manager who interogates and wears you out. Honda quality and service is so bad.
Now we hear 2007 Odysseys having the same transmission problems.
Congratulations! You are one of the few lucky ones. For me, when I picked up my car after 2 weeks at my dealer, the car was covered with dirt. You should reflect your experience with American Honda probably they would even care to impose stricter service standard to their other dealerships. I have reflected my own experience on the Honda survey.
Interesting that Odyssey owners were having fun harrassing Chrysler owners for years because Chrysler minivans had transmission problems in the mid-1990's.
Now the "chickens have come home to roost" in the Honda nest.
However, as with Chrysler minivans, the number of Odysseys with transmission failure is VERY LOW. :shades:
Thanks for the info. I will tell my sister (2001 Ody EX with 88,000 miles) and my nephew (2005 Ody EX with 40,000 miles) to watch for the recall notice. I finally got the Toyota extended warranty covering the Sienna defective front doors on December 31, 2007.
Are there any recalls on '04 ody or TSBs specifically about the transmission? I couldn't find anything on honda owner link although they wouldn't list the TSB.
I bought an 07 EX last month, to be honest, I glanced at these posts but having had great luck with three Hondas before I went ahead and bought the Ody.
It just surprises me that there is nothing about the transmission issues in CR's actual new car reviews. Not a single word. But they are comfortable with bashing domestic cars and vans, and they call the Ody one of the most reliable vans. At least they should say something about recalls and TSBs about the transmission issues on the past models so people can research when buying new.
Me? I took my chances. And I gambled and did not get the extended warranty. Hope my experience will be better than everybody in this group.
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With that all being said, I like my Odyssey and plan to keep is a few years more - if all goes well. I like the roominess and especially the folding rear seat. I had a '96 Odyssey in Germany and loved it. I put 50,000 miles on that one in 4 years and had nothing but good luck with it - thus my recent Osyssey purchase. I am, however, becoming leary of the brand based on these postings.
I also have a '95 Toyota Avalon - nice car!!!! Great acceleration and what not. I've only had it a month but have had no problems. I think I'll go Toyota on my next car purchase!!!! Honda can kiss my grits.
:lemon: WELCOME TO THE CLUB!!! :lemon:
Its not going to be too long. Your Odyssey is going through the same process as everyone's here in this forum. Slight trans slip in the beginning then flashing D. You'll shrug it off at first and the day will come that your beloved Honda Odyssey will just stall while it tries to accelerate in the middle of the road or worse - on the freeway.
That's the day you will curse HONDA :lemon: and swear not buy any of their products again.
I would advice not to use your odyssey until it is fixed. My wife and kids were in the Odyssey when it stalled while making a turn and almost got rear ended. I'm sure you would'nt want that to happen to your family.
Just call AMERICAN HONDA and tell them you are aware of it. you can do the 'be polite game' for awhile until you get a good. deal. Most get 50-50. Hope you get a better one.
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Those in favor just say aye....aaaarggghhhh....!!!!
Unless you have personal and direct experience with either Hyundai or Kia, why would you make such a statement? If a 6-year old Hyundai's automatic transmission failed with 89K on the clock, the transmission would be replaced free of charge. Contrary to some beliefs, Hyundai's and Kia's 10 year/100K warranty is real, and they back it up. Conversely, most Hyundai 4-speed automatics don't fail within 100K, so the argument is rather moot.
I wonder why Honda :lemon: up to now is incapable of challenging Korean cars in terms of warranty? They don't trust their own products?
We only have 33K now, so might be safe for a while.
BTW, the 2005 doesn't have a 5/60,000 powertrain warrenty. That started in 2006, so you are out of warranty.
As long as the class action suit catches up before I need one, I won't worry.
Or my wife could end up following up on her thoughts about getting something new! Although it might be the squeaks and rattles that drive me over the edge first.
Now I am sorry I missed the window to get an ESC. Oh well. Guess I gave them too much credit for having isolated and fixed the problems by the 2005 MY.
Oh, and if our tranny crapped out while my wife was drving on the highway and the van just died, she would never drive in it again. It would be towed, fixed and immediately sold!
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matter.
Why is there no disclosures required by the government on American Honda to their affected customers' on their design failure? It is a matter of public safety and human lives. American Honda's customers have the right to understand the problem to prevent crashes or accidents as a result of lack of information.
There is a good reason Honda Odyssey's depreciate much slower than do Kia Sedonas. :shades:
Hard times are coming. Our problem will not surely not get any attention anytime soon.
Got my response from BBB. They said they can not do anything if the car is over 36,000 miles. But I told them it's NSHTA Recall issue and doesn't matter if warranty is over. I guess BBB will open their eyes when they see dead families being taken out of Odysseys on TV. :sick:
I'll file with NHSTA next.
Let's all hang on. Just gotta keep on fighting.
Honda's automatic transmissions are not the traditional planetary gear style. It's an "automatic version" of a manual transmission. It has clutch plates like a manual transmission and I believe that's what is failing in the Ody (including mine at 98,000). That slipping you feel in your Ody is the same feeling you get when trying to learn how to drive a stick shift or when you drive your Civic stick shift for 250,000 miles and the clutch finally goes (been there, done that.)
As the Honda cars get bigger/heavier and the engines produce more horsepower and torque, they are going to have to abondon this transmission design for a more traditional design.
BTW, I think there are 2 issues with the honda transmission. The oil jet was to countermeasure a gear tooth over heating on a drive sprocket. This failure would cause tranny lock up. The 2nd issue is the transmission slipping (which is most of what you see on the forum). I believe the tranny slipping is a function of the clutch plates breaking down.
Though I might still think twice if buy one take one ....
Two :lemon: HONDAS ? naahhh.... forget it.....
Of course, the aftermarket makes all kinds of fantastic ceramic clutch packs and better steels than Honda (or any other manufacturer) would ever put in EOM equipment. See the eternal Turbo 350 and 400 for examples of garage mechanics reengineering an EOM part to make it drag strip ready and nearly bullet proof.
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:lemon: WELCOME TO THE CLUB!!! :lemon:
Its not going to be too long. Your Odyssey is going through the same process as everyone's here in this forum. Slight trans slip in the beginning then flashing D. You'll shrug it off at first and the day will come that your beloved Honda Odyssey will just stall while it tries to accelerate in the middle of the road or worse - on the freeway.
That's the day you will curse :lemon: HONDA and swear not buy any of their products again.
I would advice not to use your odyssey until it is fixed. My wife and kids were in the Odyssey when it stalled while making a turn and almost got rear ended. I'm sure you would'nt want that to happen to your family.
Just call AMERICAN HONDA and tell them you are aware of it. you can do the 'be polite game' for awhile until you get a good. deal. Most get 50-50. Hope you get a better one.
It's definitely a plus to have these forums. So much info that most dealers have no idea about.
thanks
YES, BE SCARED. BE VERY SCARED ! ! !
DON'T MAKETH THE SAME MISTAKE WE ALL DID ! ! !
Thou shall not buy a minivan from a scooter maker.
They never solved Odyssey transmission problem since 99 and they will never fix it in the next couple hundred years !!!!
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Honda of America
Better Business Bureau
Attorney General's Office
Honda is all over the board on this one (100%, 50%, 0%, labor only). You can't tell. They just turned a loyalist into the enemy. I never thought I'd use Honda and Jeep (BAD experience with a 1997 Wrangler) in the same sentence. :lemon:
Your story is almost identical to mine.
2002 Odyssey EXL-DVD, 89k miles, just had to pay $2200 out of $5000 for a new transmission.
They wanted $572 more for front and rear motor mounts (which I declined after already having to pay out $2200). And another $380 for an Idle Air Control Valve (on top of the transmission failure, the idle started surging and it actually stalled out on the way to the dealer...)
We had just gone to Reno, NV for Christmas to play in the snow, and near home on the way back to the NorCal Bay Area, all the lights went on, and the van could not even make it up the slight incline of our driveway.
Took the van in Dec 31, just got it back Jan 18 after dealing with the Honda case manager (responsiveness rating = 0) and the dealership (responsiveness rating = 0.1, on a 10-point scale). The back and forth took 3 weeks, the repair took 2 days once they finally ironed out their details.
I've been checking around for pricing since our Ody went in for the new tranny.
Check out Dublin Toyota if you are in N.Cal.
Their internet sales manager beat out all the other dealers I asked.
I've seen others post that they got 7yr/100k miles extended warranty on Sienna's for about $900.00, get it to cover the tranny.
Just don't get a Honda.
I just want to thank :lemon: HONDA for making me a smarter buyer....
...smart not to buy another :lemon: HONDA.....
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Basic rule to follow when you buy your next car.
Buy scooter from scooter makers.
Buy cars from car makers.
maybe what BBB stands for...?
seems like trans issues in sienna forum as well.
thanks for the info everyone
I'm in Socal. maybe i'll just get a quote from your norcal dealer and have my socal one match it.
Honda really showed their true (ugly) colors by the way they handled my transmission replacement. A real eye opening experience.
Customer Service is not in their vocabulary anymore.
I think So.Cal will have the same deals on the Sienna (currently $1000 rebate, or 3 years 0.0% financing...). I would think So.Cal would be less expensive than Nor.Cal (picked up a 2005 Mercedes C240 for below invoice at Laguna Niguel...)
Did they also change the PCM computer?
Also, make sure you get the 3yr/36,000mile warranty on the new tranny.
Since you "participated" in the payment, that's what you are supposed to get.
Don't let them snake you into new motor mounts either...I found the parts at Bernardi Honda online for about 30% off, and just ordered them and will have someone else (not the dealer) install them.
Thanks to this website that I have learned the real purpose of the 04 recall. Does Honda have the right to withhold information to their affected customers about their recall? It is important that Honda should be honest to their affected customers to prevent crashes from happening. Honda does not care about human lives and road safety. I refer the authorities to read our messages here to see how serious the problem is and how unethical Honda is dealing with their design flaw.
I'm still waiting for NHSTA's response. Hope something comes out of it.
I got rid of 03 Mazda MVP right before the warranty expires due to the tranny jerk problem. Even Mazda came up the fix but I still think the tranny already hurt and not 100% good.
I drive a new car every 3 years and no worry of selling the old one. I got a good 3-yr lease 36,000 miles deal on 07 ODY LX, $2000 down & 198/month for 36 mos. Sales tax is 5% of 198, which is extra $10/mo.
By the way the 06-07 ODY has a bad design on the front bumper opening. It is wide open and this may have road debris easily to puncture the condensor piping. Honda considers it as accident and won't warraty it, it is $750 repair bill.
I spent $4 and 45 mins to install Home Depot's gutter mesh with plastic ties to avoid such potential problem due to Honda's poor design. You can get material option, great photos and how to on the "...Grille Insert" thread.
And the 100,000 km warranty sure is tempting. DEFINETLY No more HONDA :lemon: for me.
I thought from the beginning that the shift into 3rd gear was rough. It also gave a lurch when accelerating after slowing down (like after you turn a corner). The final straw was when it revved up to 4000-5000 RPM and wouldn't shift out of first gear until I let up on the gas completely. It did this to me on the way to pick up my son yesterday, so I just drove it straight to the dealership.
That is a really outstanding record from 1999 to 2007...simply AWESOME DEFECTIVE HONDA ODYSSEY. Almost a decade of consistent transmission problems!
Here are some suggestions to :lemon: HONDA COMPANY
1. Send all HONDA Engineers and Designers back to school and never re-hire again
2. FIRE all QUALITY CONTROL Personel for hiding the defects.
3. FIRE all the SALES People for lying about reliability about their cars.
4. FIRE all CASE MANAGERS with Real CUSTOMER SERVICE People.
5. FIRE the President.
6. SHUT DOWN THE :lemon: HONDA COMPANY.
7. Go back to making SCOOTERS.
You know what is funny to me is you look at consumer reports, which I usually like, they lowered the rating for the Sedona because of the small little things that were not quite right on the first year model but say nothing about the huge Ody tranny problem. Makes me wonder. They also say nothing about the huge problem with the Sienna's door welds failing. I am starting to think they are more biased then I thought.
The price you pay though is depreciation. It does not bother me because I plan on keeping my van for a good long while. I am very happy with my van. Comes standard abs, traction, tire pressure monitor, windshield deicer lots of airbags, 5 star crash rating in all categories, rear seats fold flat, and that manual shifting mode which I think is pretty much standard on all vans on all vans.
Hope this helps.
Daniel
We had a horrible jerking between 2 & 3rd gears and sometimes it would literally feel like the front end was moving on it's own. After the first one was replaced, something got messed up in the suspension and now (after they have tried to fix it twice) we have a horrible popping and grinding sound when going over the slightest bump and always when turing left. Be careful after you pick the van up, it is very possible that parts get broken or not installed right after such a major repair.
If it is not fixed next week, our only other option is to use our states lemon law.
Time will tell... not all are horror stories.
Now we hear 2007 Odysseys having the same transmission problems.
BBB and NHSTA wake up before someone gets hurt!!!
:lemon: = HONDA
Now the "chickens have come home to roost" in the Honda nest.
However, as with Chrysler minivans, the number of Odysseys with transmission failure is VERY LOW. :shades:
Neither has had any transmission problems yet.
Are there any recalls on '04 ody or TSBs specifically about the transmission? I couldn't find anything on honda owner link although they wouldn't list the TSB.
Thanks
MP
It just surprises me that there is nothing about the transmission issues in CR's actual new car reviews. Not a single word. But they are comfortable with bashing domestic cars and vans, and they call the Ody one of the most reliable vans. At least they should say something about recalls and TSBs about the transmission issues on the past models so people can research when buying new.
Me? I took my chances. And I gambled and did not get the extended warranty. Hope my experience will be better than everybody in this group.