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With that all being said, I like my Odyssey and plan to keep is a few years more - if all goes well. I like the roominess and especially the folding rear seat. I had a '96 Odyssey in Germany and loved it. I put 50,000 miles on that one in 4 years and had nothing but good luck with it - thus my recent Osyssey purchase. I am, however, becoming leary of the brand based on these postings.
I also have a '95 Toyota Avalon - nice car!!!! Great acceleration and what not. I've only had it a month but have had no problems. I think I'll go Toyota on my next car purchase!!!! Honda can kiss my grits.
:lemon: WELCOME TO THE CLUB!!! :lemon:
Its not going to be too long. Your Odyssey is going through the same process as everyone's here in this forum. Slight trans slip in the beginning then flashing D. You'll shrug it off at first and the day will come that your beloved Honda Odyssey will just stall while it tries to accelerate in the middle of the road or worse - on the freeway.
That's the day you will curse HONDA :lemon: and swear not buy any of their products again.
I would advice not to use your odyssey until it is fixed. My wife and kids were in the Odyssey when it stalled while making a turn and almost got rear ended. I'm sure you would'nt want that to happen to your family.
Just call AMERICAN HONDA and tell them you are aware of it. you can do the 'be polite game' for awhile until you get a good. deal. Most get 50-50. Hope you get a better one.
:lemon: HONDA LEMON CLUB :lemon:
Those in favor just say aye....aaaarggghhhh....!!!!
Unless you have personal and direct experience with either Hyundai or Kia, why would you make such a statement? If a 6-year old Hyundai's automatic transmission failed with 89K on the clock, the transmission would be replaced free of charge. Contrary to some beliefs, Hyundai's and Kia's 10 year/100K warranty is real, and they back it up. Conversely, most Hyundai 4-speed automatics don't fail within 100K, so the argument is rather moot.
I wonder why Honda :lemon: up to now is incapable of challenging Korean cars in terms of warranty? They don't trust their own products?
We only have 33K now, so might be safe for a while.
BTW, the 2005 doesn't have a 5/60,000 powertrain warrenty. That started in 2006, so you are out of warranty.
As long as the class action suit catches up before I need one, I won't worry.
Or my wife could end up following up on her thoughts about getting something new! Although it might be the squeaks and rattles that drive me over the edge first.
Now I am sorry I missed the window to get an ESC. Oh well. Guess I gave them too much credit for having isolated and fixed the problems by the 2005 MY.
Oh, and if our tranny crapped out while my wife was drving on the highway and the van just died, she would never drive in it again. It would be towed, fixed and immediately sold!
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
:lemon: HONDA LEMON CAR CLUB :lemon:
Let's make a website...I'm so excited.!!!
All you guys may want to check this out! We could get a replacement.
http://www.ohiolemonlaw.com/honda-lemon.shtml
matter.
Why is there no disclosures required by the government on American Honda to their affected customers' on their design failure? It is a matter of public safety and human lives. American Honda's customers have the right to understand the problem to prevent crashes or accidents as a result of lack of information.
There is a good reason Honda Odyssey's depreciate much slower than do Kia Sedonas. :shades:
Hard times are coming. Our problem will not surely not get any attention anytime soon.
Got my response from BBB. They said they can not do anything if the car is over 36,000 miles. But I told them it's NSHTA Recall issue and doesn't matter if warranty is over. I guess BBB will open their eyes when they see dead families being taken out of Odysseys on TV. :sick:
I'll file with NHSTA next.
Let's all hang on. Just gotta keep on fighting.
Honda's automatic transmissions are not the traditional planetary gear style. It's an "automatic version" of a manual transmission. It has clutch plates like a manual transmission and I believe that's what is failing in the Ody (including mine at 98,000). That slipping you feel in your Ody is the same feeling you get when trying to learn how to drive a stick shift or when you drive your Civic stick shift for 250,000 miles and the clutch finally goes (been there, done that.)
As the Honda cars get bigger/heavier and the engines produce more horsepower and torque, they are going to have to abondon this transmission design for a more traditional design.
BTW, I think there are 2 issues with the honda transmission. The oil jet was to countermeasure a gear tooth over heating on a drive sprocket. This failure would cause tranny lock up. The 2nd issue is the transmission slipping (which is most of what you see on the forum). I believe the tranny slipping is a function of the clutch plates breaking down.
Though I might still think twice if buy one take one ....
Two :lemon: HONDAS ? naahhh.... forget it.....
Of course, the aftermarket makes all kinds of fantastic ceramic clutch packs and better steels than Honda (or any other manufacturer) would ever put in EOM equipment. See the eternal Turbo 350 and 400 for examples of garage mechanics reengineering an EOM part to make it drag strip ready and nearly bullet proof.
PaulN
:lemon: WELCOME TO THE CLUB!!! :lemon:
Its not going to be too long. Your Odyssey is going through the same process as everyone's here in this forum. Slight trans slip in the beginning then flashing D. You'll shrug it off at first and the day will come that your beloved Honda Odyssey will just stall while it tries to accelerate in the middle of the road or worse - on the freeway.
That's the day you will curse :lemon: HONDA and swear not buy any of their products again.
I would advice not to use your odyssey until it is fixed. My wife and kids were in the Odyssey when it stalled while making a turn and almost got rear ended. I'm sure you would'nt want that to happen to your family.
Just call AMERICAN HONDA and tell them you are aware of it. you can do the 'be polite game' for awhile until you get a good. deal. Most get 50-50. Hope you get a better one.
It's definitely a plus to have these forums. So much info that most dealers have no idea about.
thanks
YES, BE SCARED. BE VERY SCARED ! ! !
DON'T MAKETH THE SAME MISTAKE WE ALL DID ! ! !
Thou shall not buy a minivan from a scooter maker.
They never solved Odyssey transmission problem since 99 and they will never fix it in the next couple hundred years !!!!
:lemon: HONDA :lemon:
Honda of America
Better Business Bureau
Attorney General's Office
Honda is all over the board on this one (100%, 50%, 0%, labor only). You can't tell. They just turned a loyalist into the enemy. I never thought I'd use Honda and Jeep (BAD experience with a 1997 Wrangler) in the same sentence. :lemon:
Your story is almost identical to mine.
2002 Odyssey EXL-DVD, 89k miles, just had to pay $2200 out of $5000 for a new transmission.
They wanted $572 more for front and rear motor mounts (which I declined after already having to pay out $2200). And another $380 for an Idle Air Control Valve (on top of the transmission failure, the idle started surging and it actually stalled out on the way to the dealer...)
We had just gone to Reno, NV for Christmas to play in the snow, and near home on the way back to the NorCal Bay Area, all the lights went on, and the van could not even make it up the slight incline of our driveway.
Took the van in Dec 31, just got it back Jan 18 after dealing with the Honda case manager (responsiveness rating = 0) and the dealership (responsiveness rating = 0.1, on a 10-point scale). The back and forth took 3 weeks, the repair took 2 days once they finally ironed out their details.
I've been checking around for pricing since our Ody went in for the new tranny.
Check out Dublin Toyota if you are in N.Cal.
Their internet sales manager beat out all the other dealers I asked.
I've seen others post that they got 7yr/100k miles extended warranty on Sienna's for about $900.00, get it to cover the tranny.
Just don't get a Honda.
I just want to thank :lemon: HONDA for making me a smarter buyer....
...smart not to buy another :lemon: HONDA.....
Haha, Odyssey, Now, Drive, Anythingelse
H.O.N.D.A.
Honda Odyssey: Non-Drivable Automobile
Basic rule to follow when you buy your next car.
Buy scooter from scooter makers.
Buy cars from car makers.
maybe what BBB stands for...?
seems like trans issues in sienna forum as well.
thanks for the info everyone
I'm in Socal. maybe i'll just get a quote from your norcal dealer and have my socal one match it.
Honda really showed their true (ugly) colors by the way they handled my transmission replacement. A real eye opening experience.
Customer Service is not in their vocabulary anymore.
I think So.Cal will have the same deals on the Sienna (currently $1000 rebate, or 3 years 0.0% financing...). I would think So.Cal would be less expensive than Nor.Cal (picked up a 2005 Mercedes C240 for below invoice at Laguna Niguel...)
Did they also change the PCM computer?
Also, make sure you get the 3yr/36,000mile warranty on the new tranny.
Since you "participated" in the payment, that's what you are supposed to get.
Don't let them snake you into new motor mounts either...I found the parts at Bernardi Honda online for about 30% off, and just ordered them and will have someone else (not the dealer) install them.
Thanks to this website that I have learned the real purpose of the 04 recall. Does Honda have the right to withhold information to their affected customers about their recall? It is important that Honda should be honest to their affected customers to prevent crashes from happening. Honda does not care about human lives and road safety. I refer the authorities to read our messages here to see how serious the problem is and how unethical Honda is dealing with their design flaw.
I'm still waiting for NHSTA's response. Hope something comes out of it.
I got rid of 03 Mazda MVP right before the warranty expires due to the tranny jerk problem. Even Mazda came up the fix but I still think the tranny already hurt and not 100% good.
I drive a new car every 3 years and no worry of selling the old one. I got a good 3-yr lease 36,000 miles deal on 07 ODY LX, $2000 down & 198/month for 36 mos. Sales tax is 5% of 198, which is extra $10/mo.
By the way the 06-07 ODY has a bad design on the front bumper opening. It is wide open and this may have road debris easily to puncture the condensor piping. Honda considers it as accident and won't warraty it, it is $750 repair bill.
I spent $4 and 45 mins to install Home Depot's gutter mesh with plastic ties to avoid such potential problem due to Honda's poor design. You can get material option, great photos and how to on the "...Grille Insert" thread.
And the 100,000 km warranty sure is tempting. DEFINETLY No more HONDA :lemon: for me.
I thought from the beginning that the shift into 3rd gear was rough. It also gave a lurch when accelerating after slowing down (like after you turn a corner). The final straw was when it revved up to 4000-5000 RPM and wouldn't shift out of first gear until I let up on the gas completely. It did this to me on the way to pick up my son yesterday, so I just drove it straight to the dealership.
That is a really outstanding record from 1999 to 2007...simply AWESOME DEFECTIVE HONDA ODYSSEY. Almost a decade of consistent transmission problems!
Here are some suggestions to :lemon: HONDA COMPANY
1. Send all HONDA Engineers and Designers back to school and never re-hire again
2. FIRE all QUALITY CONTROL Personel for hiding the defects.
3. FIRE all the SALES People for lying about reliability about their cars.
4. FIRE all CASE MANAGERS with Real CUSTOMER SERVICE People.
5. FIRE the President.
6. SHUT DOWN THE :lemon: HONDA COMPANY.
7. Go back to making SCOOTERS.
You know what is funny to me is you look at consumer reports, which I usually like, they lowered the rating for the Sedona because of the small little things that were not quite right on the first year model but say nothing about the huge Ody tranny problem. Makes me wonder. They also say nothing about the huge problem with the Sienna's door welds failing. I am starting to think they are more biased then I thought.
The price you pay though is depreciation. It does not bother me because I plan on keeping my van for a good long while. I am very happy with my van. Comes standard abs, traction, tire pressure monitor, windshield deicer lots of airbags, 5 star crash rating in all categories, rear seats fold flat, and that manual shifting mode which I think is pretty much standard on all vans on all vans.
Hope this helps.
Daniel
We had a horrible jerking between 2 & 3rd gears and sometimes it would literally feel like the front end was moving on it's own. After the first one was replaced, something got messed up in the suspension and now (after they have tried to fix it twice) we have a horrible popping and grinding sound when going over the slightest bump and always when turing left. Be careful after you pick the van up, it is very possible that parts get broken or not installed right after such a major repair.
If it is not fixed next week, our only other option is to use our states lemon law.
Time will tell... not all are horror stories.
Now we hear 2007 Odysseys having the same transmission problems.
BBB and NHSTA wake up before someone gets hurt!!!
:lemon: = HONDA
Now the "chickens have come home to roost" in the Honda nest.
However, as with Chrysler minivans, the number of Odysseys with transmission failure is VERY LOW. :shades:
Neither has had any transmission problems yet.
Are there any recalls on '04 ody or TSBs specifically about the transmission? I couldn't find anything on honda owner link although they wouldn't list the TSB.
Thanks
MP
It just surprises me that there is nothing about the transmission issues in CR's actual new car reviews. Not a single word. But they are comfortable with bashing domestic cars and vans, and they call the Ody one of the most reliable vans. At least they should say something about recalls and TSBs about the transmission issues on the past models so people can research when buying new.
Me? I took my chances. And I gambled and did not get the extended warranty. Hope my experience will be better than everybody in this group.