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2009 Honda Pilot



  • cericceric Posts: 1,092
    I believe there is a market for large CUVs with sliding doors.
    To me, that would be a deciding factor (say, between Mazda CX-9 and Honda Pilot).
    The reasons are:
    - the distance between C-pillar and D-pillar is now as long as that of minivan. There is enough space for door rail under 3rd row window.
    - sliding door (powered) is the best feature on minivan. The rear doors are usually opened by children. With sliding doors, there is less chance that the doors will "ding" the vehicles next to yours.
    - to make access to 3rd row easier, the rear doors are getting larger and larger. I found the rear doors (such as those of CX-9) to be quite long. When opened by kids, accidents are bound to happen.

    What do you folks think? Good idea? or dumb one? :confuse:
    Personally, I would consider it a great differentiator in a competitive CUV market. Remember the 1st minivan that came out with the 2nd sliding door? A winner.
  • The VW toureag cuv has fantastic off road ability and includes 4 low along with many off road assets. Problem is it is too expensive and has a horrible reliability record hence my interest in the pilot. The ridgeline has the same VTM4 system as the pilot but is geared lower and has adequate ground clearance. Maybe the 2009 pilot will have the same gearing and ground clearance as the ridgeline.
  • brutus22brutus22 Posts: 122
    Thank you ceric! I have been thinking about this for a while, why not offer sliding doors on bigger family type vehicles such as the suv/cuv?, it simply make sense....I think manufacturers must have thought about this but never implemented it because they were worried that the "minivan stigma" would then infiltrate itself into these other types of vehicles even though technically they would be able to still look the same. I guess perception is reality....if it has sliding doors then it is a minivan, the auto open feature is just nice.

    Can't wait to see this Pilot.

  • steverstever Posts: 52,572
    I agree - I love the sliders on my minivan and they are more practical than gull wings or this effort at disappearing doors.

    The big downer about minivans for my use is the lack of ground clearance. I don't care about the 4WD/AWD option but a 2WD CUV with sliders would grab my attention since I could take it camping and have fewer worries about dinging the oil pan on some of the forest service roads we take.
  • cericceric Posts: 1,092
    "HONDA MOTOR American, Honda's American subsidiary in the United States announced the exhibit of pilot prototype in Detroit's "2008 North American International Auto Show".

    The pilot prototype, a bold and traditional SUV, will adopt the ACE structure and show the direction of next model. The new pilot will have advanced safety package, better fuel economy and will make significant evolution in ease of use.



    -ACE: as expected. All newer Honda models adopted ACE structure design. Crash test result should be top-notch
    -Better fuel economy: nice...
    -Better ease of use: why not?
  • brutus22brutus22 Posts: 122
    Is that from an actual honda Press release becuase the current one I see is so vague does not mention any of those things...or is this an interpretation of what we should expect?

  • cericceric Posts: 1,092
    No. is a Japanese automobile news website.
    Usually they have more inside information thru talking to Honda insiders.
    If you compare the pre-release photo of MDX vs the eventual photo of MDX, you will see that the drawings released by Honda are usually very accurate.
    In my opinion, nothing said in the news article exceeded my expectation. Expect a detuned 3.7L V6 from MDX in the new Pilot (so that it runs on 87 pctane).
  • cericceric Posts: 1,092
    This has been confirmed in Honda's CEO's annual speech.
    "The prototype of the all-new Pilot will be introduced at the North American International Auto Show in Detroit in January 2008."
    Can't wait for end of January to come.
  • "Can't wait for end of January to come."
    Those of us that have big credit card bills could wait till January and then some ;)
  • I currently own a Pilot and just test drove a CX-9. I transport my young grandchildren in the Pilot and even though the CX-9 provided a good driving experience, the car had two show-stoppers. The Honda has a great deal of storage room, very easily accessible, between the two front seats. When you're taking the kids through the fast-food drive-in, this space is invaluable. But the real show-stopper was the rear entertainment system. When your kids are strapped in and their DvD is over, or they're simply bored with the current selection, Honda's dashboard mounted DvD changer is what you need. A roof mounted DvD changer like the one in the CX-9 is almost worthless - a show-stopper in my grandfatherly opinion. One more point. I know the Pilot does not have memory seats, but as I recall the location of the CX-9's memory seat controls were not on the door, but on the seat near the floor, a location I've never seen before.
  • After coming very close to picking up an '08 in the last few days I am going to go ahead and wait for the '09. There are amazing deals to be had on the '08's but I am hoping for and expecting a major improvement in the '09. I know I will pay more but the new styling should be worth it alone much less all the other improvements. Will be looking out when the concept debuts.
  • I came close to purchasing a 2008 CRV (have a 2004 now), but because of my job I need a larger truck. The current Pilot just does not do it for me so I hopfully the wait for the 2009 will be worth it and not too long.
  • If I may, what about the current Pilot did you find negative?
  • nimrod99nimrod99 Posts: 343
    Does anyone know if the Pilot DVD entertainment system will allow the DVD to play through the front Navigation screen if the vehicle is in Park and the parking brake engaged?
  • I think it was knowing a fresh new design was on it's way in a few months and since I may have the truck for several years I want the newest.
  • parvizparviz Posts: 484
    No. it will not. While it may be illegal in some states, there are some after market devices that will let you do that.
  • Interesting question, but would you really want it to? If the car is not running, the DvD player can really "suck" at the battery. I've tried it with my Pilot, like when my wife is in the car with the kids and I have to get something in the store, etc. I think it really puts a drain on the battery. And even if the car is running, is it really worth it? Do other cars offer that "option"?
  • nimrod99nimrod99 Posts: 343
    I just assumed that since the DVD is loaded in the front, and it plays on the rear screen, what if there are several options to choose, how can you see them from the drivers seat?

    If we have a 4 year old strapped in the back and she wants to see episode 4 of backyardigans, does that mean I have to get out of the front seat and go to the back and use the remote control to move the cusor to the correct episode start icon?

    It would be so much nicer (and safer not to get out) to just stop the vehicle, (park engaged) and sit in the drivers seat and make custom selections

  • nimrod99nimrod99 Posts: 343
    Oh, yes, the new Toyota Highlander can do that, play the DVD on the front screen while in park.

    The big negative is the DVD is loaded into the rear overhead unit. On a long road trip, it would require getting out and swapping disks.
  • nimrod99nimrod99 Posts: 343
    Does the current Pilot have a timing chain or timing belt?
    What do people expect to see on the new Pilot?
    I hope it has a timing chain
  • Does anyone know if the '09 Pilot will have an option for memory seats? I am 5'3" and my husband is 6'5"... We really like the Pilot, but not having memory seats is almost a deal-breaker for us.
  • You cannot order a Pilot EX-L RES (dvd) and NAV at same time. You either have one or the other. Curious that one vehicle will not possess both features.
  • It will have what the MDX has. It likely will be the same engine.
  • nimrod99nimrod99 Posts: 343
    According to the Honda web site, the "build your 2008 Pilot" allows one to select DVD i-VES
  • nimrod99nimrod99 Posts: 343
    According to the 2008 Honda, build your Pilot feature, it allows the option of adding a DVD i-VES system to a 4WD EX-L with Honda Satellite-Linked Navigation System™
  • ggombosggombos Posts: 18
    I hope the new Pilot has memory seats as an option as well. I use this feature every weekend when I drive our current vehicle (01 Pathfinder) and it sure is nice. It seems quite a few newer vehicles in this class have it but Toyota omitted it from their newly redesigned 08 Highlander so it makes you wonder what Honda is going to do. Power folding mirrors to make getting in/out of the garage easier would be nice as well!
  • I have found that memory seats is one of those options that they (Honda) use to distinguish between their Acura line and the Honda line-up. Years ago I bought the Acura CL over the the Honda coupe, with one of the reasons being the standard memory seats. My "gut feeling" is that we'll see a slightly redesigned Pilot, with the big "catch" being an available Hybrid. One of the big gripes about the Pilot is it's generous fuel consumption and also it's main competitor, the Highlander offers a hybrid. I have no particular feelings about moving the on-column shifter. Having and currently transporting 5 grandsons, ages 1 to 9, I find the space between the front seats invaluable. Having my AWD SUV perform like my Acura coupe is not a realistic goal. The Pilot is one of the most practical, usable vehicles I have ever owned and I hope that Honda doesn't concede any of the practical aspects for looks and performance.
  • parvizparviz Posts: 484
    What does that mean, timing belt or a chain?!!!
  • texasestexases Posts: 7,731
    we'll see a slightly redesigned Pilot, with the big "catch" being an available Hybrid.

    Given Honda's push to diesels, I expect a diesel Pilot, but no hybrid.
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