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It happens at all speeds. I took it in to the dealer last week and it did not make the sound. I was frustrated when the mechanic scratched his head. This is a LOUD noise and I believe it is affecting my mileage. My gas mileage is about 20 mpg around town and 24.5 on the hwy.
It is unpredictable and happens in D and D3. It stops when I accelerate.
Today filled up before I made a 80-mile HWY trip and tripped the mile meter. No noise and my mileage was at 32.5 MPG. It started making the noise after about 60 miles the noise started and after 80 miles my average mileage is down to around 27 MPG.
Anybody else have low mileage? What are you getting?
Love the car and I want to be proud, but am embarrassed about the mileage and the noise.
It is helpful to me to see that other owners are having the same problem and encourage other readers to boost the knowledge base. I took it back to the dealer today and it made the noise with the service manager in the car. I have an appointment next Monday and will try to remember to share the results on this forum.
BARRY
Anybody else, or am I really "one of a couple"?
--Dan
:mad:
-Demian
Thanks for any information.
The problem you describe is a ANC design issue. Replacing the speakers can only temporarily circument the problem; it will reoccur! When the VCM shuts down 3 cylinders it generates noise and the threshold level in the ANC system does not sufficiently attentuate the frequency spectrum, because instead of shifting the phase 180 degrees and apply the phase shift frequency to cancel noise the phase shift does not take place exactly because the speakers/microphone cannot correct reproduce the sound and instead you encounter a noise feedback loop which amplifies the part if the noise rather than cancelling it.
It has a very defined frequency band pass that generates the noise cancelling output from the speakers. This resonance frequency likely occurs at several locations in the RPM spectrum although he could not say where. But likely this makes it quite insensitive to generating output caused by random noise in the car.
There are 2 microphones for this system in the passenger compartment. One visible on the center front head liner and another low the drivers side area of the rear window.
I figure that noise cancelling headphones have a good history, so Honda likely uses the best tech to do this. The cancelling uses the radio amp to run the speakers so it very well might still allow those frequencies through that are in normal output from the radio/stereo signals.
I took my car into the vendor referring to the comments on this thread regarding the ANC. The vendor called a "senior tech at corporate" to talke about the ANC problem. It is specifically to address the low rumbling harmonic and they are working with the ANC vendor and do not yet have a solution. Anyone who has had their speakers replaced have not had the problem fixed permanently.
Does anyone else who has the harmonic problem have the type of noise I described? I am at a loss and since the vendor can't find anything wrong (no surprise there) I am constantly worried it might be a safety issue.
See if the noise is related to the engine speed (look at the RPM gauge) or whether the eco batteries are being charged or discharged. It gets higher in frequency with higher RPM.
Since the radio amp is on whenever the car is on (due to the ANC system) this may still be coming from the speakers even if the radio is off.
I think opening the drivers door shuts off the ANC. Don't do this while driving! See if the noise stops.
If so, it may be a problem electrical filter (or supressor) in the wiring. With age maybe a loose connection etc. Talk to Honda.
Clearly, there are more than "one or two" Accord Hybrid owners in the nation who have experienced (or are experiencing) this issue.
We have had no noise problems, or others for that matter, with my wife's 05 HAH, my daughter's 98 Civic, my other daughter's 03 Civic and my own 01 S2000 (only noises are the exhaust notes at 9000 rpm).
We have had excellent service from our Hondas and I hope yours is healthy soon too.
Good Luck.
When I test drove the car I was impressed at how quiet it was especially at red lights. I don't want to buy a 30k car and have to crank up the radio to tune out some irratating noise.
1. The HAH is not the only Honda with 6 to 3 operation. I believe the Odessy has it and perhaps other models but not sure. (A friend just returned from an 1800 mile vacation with his 6 to 3 Odessy.)
2. Many Honda engines have been equipped with V-Tec variable valve technology (upon which the 6 to 3 operation is largely based). V-Tec has been around much longer than my own 2001 S2000 has it and it is a very proven and very reliable system.
3. Honda and indeed those of many other Japanese marques, seem to produce cars which the are extensively tested before offered to the public. (My experience with owning first run (3) 240Z'z and (2) Diesel Maximas were justification for me as I put 50k+ miles per year on the cars).
I suspect that there have been many 6 to 3 Hondas sold this year and if the few complaints that have appeared in this forum are any indication, complaints may be rare.
I'll post in here when it's done and let you all know how it goes.
1. Accord Hybrids with Navigations system: Turn the ignition switch to ACC (1) or ON (II)
2. Turn the Audio Unit off. (Radio on and Off button, push to off)
3. While holding down the upper part of both the "CH/DISK" and "SEEK/SKIP" buttons simultaneously, press the VOL/Pwr knob.
This will place it in Diagnostic mode...DIAG will appear in the upper window above the Nav unit.
Now while the engine is stopped and while in DIAG mode, turn the ANC ON and OFF by pressing the SCAN Button, you may have to push SCAN button ON and Off a couple times... While in the OFF mode, This will be displayed in the upper window above the Nav unit..... a low frequency hum (50HZ should be heard. While this low frequency tone is sounding turn the engine on and the sound should go away. IF it does your ANC is working and now is reset to the on position automatically. Now drive your car and see if the low frequency drone is gone!
If you do not have the NAV unit follow this procedure.
1. Turn the ignition switch to ACC (1) or ON (11)
2. Turn the audio unit ON.
3. While holding down both the "Preset1" and "Preset6" buttons simultaneously, press the AUDIO PWR knob.
4. "DIAG" will appear on the audio unit display to indicate you have entered the self-diagnostic mode.
NOW, while in Diag mode turn the ANC ON to OFF by pressing the #1 button, A LOW
frequency hum (50HZ) should sound for up to a minute. While this low frequency HUM is Sounding turn the engine on and the HUM should GO AWAY. Now drive your car and see if the low frequency drone has gone away!
There have been numerous cases where the ANC appears to toggle off all on its own.
My car started this drone after only 250 miles since new and with NO luck with the dealership I purchased the shop manuals which describes the above diagnostic procedure. It worked for me. Do not change the order of events. Do exactly as printed.
rockohead
I would think it is lack of training and experience with the hybrids. Training these days is short and many times just an interactive course on the Internet. Not much good for indepth training.
You let your son talk you into one of those loud tin can mufflers on the HAH? I bet it is not very silent running now...
I read this thread of messages with great interest and am grateful to all of you who persist in calling dealers and newsmedia and making someone pay attention. I will call my dealer here in Indiana and see if they have any idea about it and get back to you.
Thanks.
I just purchased a used HAH and did not notice the issue until I put about 260 miles on it. At first I was kicking myself, thinking I bought a lemon. I'm glad to hear others have the issue as well.
I agree with some of the other posts. Heat does seem to be a factor with this issue.
Has anyone had the ANG replaced by the dealer? Did that fix the issue? I bought my vehicle out of state, so returning to the dealer of purchase is not an option for me. I would like to go to my local Honda dealer with a definitive answer as to what fixes this so they can proceed appropriately.
Thanks,
Steve
The sound/drone was as if it was the transmission or front lefttire or engine compartment/wheel well. The tape came loose but stayed on the black trim. This tape just sitting there was enough to break up the harmonic. Think reed in a wind instrument
nocapisce
Keep you posted on any future successes. In the meantime, it's happy droning... I mean driving.
My dealer is in Lodi, Calif. and I demonstrated this to them on a test drive with the district parts and service manager in my car. They were surprised to say the least because at first they thought I was crazy! They were supposed to enter it on their dealer network computer links for all dealers to see.
I raised mega flak with Honda over this and threatened lawsuits as well as big media coverage here in Houston. Honda flew in an engineer who's job it became to fix my car. He analyzed the problem and I was told he downloaded software and expanded the range of the ANC to cover the drone, it is in a frequency outside the original envelope of the as designed system. I have the paperwork at home somewhere.
Using what they learned from my car, I was told that they developed a fix and incorporated it into the line. Several months later I got a call from my service guy telling me to bring my car in for the permanent fix, that mine was just temporary. Well, with over 150,000 miles of no drone whatsoever, I think I will keep my "temporary" fix.
Whatever is the cause and whatever the true fix is, it must be pricey because they have known about it since March of 2005 and a fix does exist, I am proof. That they are not fixing the cars is disappointing.
Let me know if I can be of help.
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I'm thankful the major noise is gone (8 weeks for the part) but that noise is still there and I can't say it's as loud but I know it's still there. Is this what you found as well?
I'm looking at another hybrid at this time since this seems so sporatic.....
I'm not angry yet but I'm getting there!! I'm just really disappointed in Honda....
My Accord Hybrid has led a very hard, rough life, and to be honest I am suprised it has taken the abuse as well as it has. I promise you I have found the weak points of the car.
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I have been here browsing these forums once in a while but no more messages to read or comment. I did not hear much of the droning out of my Accord hybrid. But my son does. I asked my son to drive it to a Honda dealer near his college campus to fix it but he insisted to drive it back home for checkout. Now, I drive the second oldest Accord V6 EX 2002 in my household. Yet, it's smooth and gives me plenty of power. Poor Dad !
Also, do you know how to duplicate or order a Chapman basic remote car alarm control? I lost 1 and have only one control as a spare. Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours.