Brian125 asked if $300 over invoice was reasonable in the NY/NJ area. Yes. In Feb 2001, I purchased a 2001 Montero for $245 over invoice. I used www.fightingchance.com and I HIGHLY recommend buying his package and using the "FAX attack". My dealer was Bay ridge Mitsubishi, but I could have gotten the same deal at Salerno-Duane in NJ. Avoid the dealers in Manhattan and Queens. They did not want to go more than 900 over invoice...
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Then how would they respond to the synthetic/petrolium blended oils that they make now? Both Castrol and I think Mobil now make these products as an alternative to a full synthetic.
I would hold them accountable and ask them why they think you cant go back and forth.
Not a dumb question at all. As it turned out, it didn't really need it.
At the time, I was planning a sort of "mini-monster" project vehicle and the engine seemed like a good place to start. Had headers installed, opened up the exhaust ports and a sewer pipe exhaust. This did increase gas mileage (from 10 to about 12 mpg) and increase power.
Oversize radiator. Rebuilt and converted A/C to new, non-ozone depleting freon. Transmission was rebuilt also (Turbo 400). H-D WARN front manual locking hubs. Etc, Etc.
But, alas, never got much further and my wife wanted something newer.
Anybody want to buy a "macho" 3/4 ton 4-WD with a "real offroad" solid axle suspension both front and rear? (It also rides and handles like a truck).
I haven't yet replaced my OE Geolanders, but am considering the A/T versions. I've been satisfied with the Yoks so far. The Bridgestone Dueler A/T also sound interesting. I havent seen the Geo A/T, but the Dueler A/T rtead pattern looks nice. I'd prefer to stay away from truck tires, as I've heard that they have a stiffer sidewall which may give a harsher ride and create a bit more noise. Any thoughts?
BTW, does anyone else think the Montero sounds a bit noisy, esp. going over freeway dots? Sound is similar to my M3, which has 235/40/17 tires.
Check out this link to the New Geolander. I am considering this as a replacement tire. It is more road oriented but appears to be a step better for off road than the older Geolander. Check out the ratings as well, they are great. I looked through this site and at the ratings of each tire. This new Geolander seems to do very well at just about everything.
Also, you own one of my two favorite sports cars, the M3, and I am extremely jealous (the other is the Acura NSX). I thought long and hard about the new M3 with that new motor but was very dissapointed to find out that they are not offering 4 doors.
Here is an even better chart of various tires compared. The dueler seems to do better except for ride comfort and snow. I noticed that the Dueler a/t d691 is the one rated higher and the d693 lower than the Geolander a/t plus two. I cant find the d691, perhaps it is discontinued...enjoy
>>Synthetic should not hurt the motor though. The only place problems should occur would be in motocycles with wet clutches where synthetic has sometimes been too slick and caused increase clutch slippage. I dont know of anything in our motors that would be equivalent<<
I'm sure your probably correct. I only raised the issue because I had asked about using syn when I had my first service. He told me Mitsu says NOT to use it in this engine and he gave me a reason why it will damage it. I forget what he said but.. I will ask him for specifice next time I'm in. That should raise a controversy, LOL. But I am curious why he made the claim in the first part.
The one comment about not being able to switch back to petro after using syn.. is bogus I think though. So I guess we cant trust everything these dealer service managers say.
I will continue to argue that oil changes every 3K is unnecessary though for most of us. I think Curlys post explained that very well.
Anyone know where i can get black headrests that will fit a 2001 Montero. I want to put tv's in the headrests and dealer wants $150 each for 2002 montero middle row headrests. Can someone please tell me if headrests from other car companies will fit my truck. Thanks
Brill, the new Geo A/T+ tread pattern looks very nice! What's the difference between the + and +II? As far as my current tires are concerned, does 18000 miles on them before replacement seem out of the ordinary?
The M3 is actually my wife's! Well, she let me sell her Lexus ES300 so we could buy the M3. It's nice to be able to row your own gears once in a while. I was considering a Supra TT or RX-7, but the M3 sedan was the best compromise of sport and practicality.
counselor2, I am considering going to synthetic oil. What kind of mpg do you get on the highway @ what average speed? I get the 2001 Montero Ltd, dealer to do all my service. My dealer uses Chevron 5-30 and I think that is a good oil, so I have not requested a special oil yet. I average 19-20 mpg on the highway, speed averaging 65-70 mph. Thanks.
I am thinking of replacing my VW Golf 1,8T with a new Montero 2002. Please tell me if it is a good idea. I do not want to be disappointed in the end, thinking of my previous car. I never owned or drove SUV and I am little worry about safety, rollovers, braking distances and all that. Ok! I can realize that when you drive an SUV it is not the same like driving a sport car.
It really depends on what you want if for. I love my Montero (Have a 2001 ltd going on two years of ownership) and I plan on keeping it at least another 3-5 years. You can drive the thing darn near anywhere, and, considering underneath the skin its a really a unibody truck, it drives great, looks great, and is very comfortable, even on long trips. Third row seats are fine for kids for a short trip (or in laws) but not for much else.Haven't tried towing anything more than a couple of thousand pounds, so can't help you there.
Had one problem with the central switch thingy underneath leaking; this was fixed either on a recall or TSB, otherwise no problems to speak of.
If you will take it off road, and don't do alot of heavy towing, I think its the ideal choice IMHO from a value standpoint, compares favorably to Toyota LC at much lower price. If you are going to do heavy towing, or need more room I would look at Yukon/Tahoe/Suburban or Sequoia (New expedition looks promising, but a first year brand new model Ford--YIIIIIIKKKKKEEEEESS!!!)
If you don't need the off road capabilites, I would consider something else--there are a number of wonderful SUVs that have relatively good traction control systems that drive a little more car-like (The Monte is definitely a truck, although a well behaved one). Toyota Highlander, Acura MDX, Honda Pilot (although with the way the dealers are gouging on these, the MDX at MSRP may be the better deal), ML-320, RX-300 (Which I personally can't stand), BMW, and the new Volvo are just a few examples of crossover SUVs built more for comfort than for pounding..Although the Monte can be had at a lower price than any of the above....
Good luck and if you have any specific questions, post them here--I'm sure you'll get a number of responses...
I use Mobil One, changed approximately every 4,000 miles. I can't give you a precise average highway mileage because my truck is configured differently virtually every time I drive a full tank exclusively on the highway -- sometimes with a rocket box on top, sometimes with 7 passengers, sometimes with 1 passenger, sometimes in very cold weather, etc. Like you, I tend to keep the truck between 65 and 70 mph on the highway. The best highway mileage that I have seen is in the high 19 mpg range; the worst was around 16 during the break-in period when the truck was new. I have noticed that I never get quite as good mileage as others who have posted their average mpg here. It could have to do with tire pressure, driving style, differences in how we are doing the calculations. Quite frankly, I don't think that using Mobil One has helped my gas mileage.
For towing forget the Sequoia and go all American. Despite any thoughts of increased reliability you will give up safe and practical towing.
Sidebar, everyone at the Eastern Oregon Motorcycle desert ride last weekend that was towing a trailer had either a Ford or Chevy 1/2-3/4 ton truck with extra or crew cab configurations. These guys have been towing for years. No light duty stuff out there (My Montero was there in style)
I would add also that cppgr should look at the Ford Explorer as well. Rated pretty good and more power than the Montero.
cppgr, I think the only real detractor for me so far and going on 2 years is the lack of power with heavy loads, towing or when you really want to tear up steep, long hills. Other than that I plan to add a nice pickup for towing, hauling to cover the other bases.
It is the best SUV next to the Toyota LC at almost half the cost but be sure to drive it for yourself.
I am using Mobil 1 after several changes with standard oil during "break in".
In town, about 16 MPG Freeway 55-65, no less than 19 MPG and I have hit 22 MPG (wind behind my back no doubt) Freeway >65, oh that darn wind resistence, best 19, worst 17
I dont think I have noticed a difference in mileage although my Accura GSR seems to run cooler or I am losing my mind. Then again this thing runs at much higher RPM and may be generating less heat now due to improvements in friction.
Thanks a lot cct1. I am thinking the Limited. Here in Greece the taxation system is so restrict, that owning a car over 3,000 litres is an expensive sport. I have to mention to you, that many American SUV are not even imported in Greece (Ford Explorer, Acura, etc.). To give you an idea, Montero Limited 2002 price in Greece is at 56,000 $ (ML 320 for ex. is at 71,000$) and owning Montero Limited means that your annual income is at least 40,000$ (Avg. annual income in Greece is 16,000$ per capita). Mistakes are very expensive as you can see and it is obvious that you can not easily sell a used car over 3,000 litres, because you have to find a rich person who wants a used car(very difficult) or you will give it to a dealer for nothing. You can choose between manual or auto (with sport selection) transmission, but I would like to know if the difference in gas milage between the manual and the driving in sport selection mode with the automatic, is big. Also I would like to know, if I will avoid chains in the winter when I am going for ski. It is obvious that I put chains in my Golf 1,8T at the first second I meet ice or snow (225 tyre size you see), but I also have seen some BMW X5 and Vitara dangerous sliding without chains. Is there any extra sound with the ski on the roof on the motorway?
Greece huh--way cool! I thought it was always hot there--just my silly American perceptions from the movies; it always looks sunny there, with lots of happy, scantily clad people (maybe that's why they're so happy.)
In the U.S., we don't have the option of the manual, so can't help you there. Have never put skis on the roof--I have a rear hitch with ski/bike attachments--don't know if anyone else has roof mounted ski racks; would be a little concerned about the moonroof but its probably doable. The rear rack is nice, but I'd recommend covers for your skis if you go this route.
I live in Wisconsin, where it snows 364 days a year (ok, not that much, but pretty close) and I have never had a problem with traction with the stock Yok-Geolanders in snow (there have been some complaints about mud in this forum)--doubt you'd need chains for traction going up hill or on level ground; It could be a problem going down steep hills though (the Monte is heavy).
I love driving my Monte in the winter--I've driven through fields with no problems, and steep hills as well, but haven't done any driving on steep mountains when the roads were bad (which is unfortunate 'cause that means no fresh snow on the ski hills, but I digress...)
Brill may have had the chance to drive in snowy mountain conditions however.
I think for what you're describing you'd be very happy with the Monte.
Good luck, let us know what you pick. Any other questions or concerns feel free to fire away....
If you can get the turbo diesel there take a look. We dont have the low sulfur fuel in the US so that model is not offered but they were all over Europe when I went over there last Aug. I dont think you will suffer much with power and the mileage should be greater.
I have put many snowy and muddy mountain miles on with no problems and that is with the very road biased tires that come with the Monte (Yok Geolander).
I have a 2001 Limited with TV's installed in both front seat headrests with a DVD player and wireless headphones. Someone was inquiring about this earlier and needed more info. Anyone looking for info just drop me an email for pictures and specs etc. walkmn31@bellsouth.net
Does anyone know how to tell if you have the power steering that could be replaced. Apparently there can be whinning on some of them and a valve or something is changed out.
While good for the road, these tires suck in snow. Last winter with five people on board, I backed out of a friend's driveway, and slipped off the road into deeper snow. I thought "Ha, a minor challenge!", and shifted to low range/locked differential. I might just as well have had slicks on. All four wheels were merrily spinning with no purchase at all! Fortunately, one of my friends had an old Blazer tricked out for plowing, and he pulled me out. What an embarrassment! Next winter, I am definitely switching to a more aggressive tread!
Hello Monty Lovers! Can you tell me reasons why I need to add a rear spoiler to my Montero 2001 besides better looks and preventing dirty splash of water going into rear windshield? Thanks!
beazle, man you must have been on slick stuff. I have a place in Tahoe and live in OR. Never even came close to getting stuck but I do agree the tires are very street biased. Take a look at the new Geolanders AT plus II. They look more agressive and may be a step up without getting too much road noise as in an MT. The MT/R would be the next step up. Have heard nothing but greatness about this tire.
If I go to a 2inch lift I might go all the way and add these if the road noise wont be too bad. Otherwise I think the Geo AT plus II look good and are rated at the top.
Good question. I was thinking of adding it if someone could tell us that it really keeps the dust off the back. Some of these spoilers will do this very well. After my last desert trip keeping dust off the back would have been a blessing.
Has anyone developed a high pitched rattling noise at idle that sounds as if it is a tensioner or air conditioning pully? I only hear it in gear at idle and in neutal or off idle it is gone.
Going to the dealer today to have the mechanic listen. Maybe the belt needs adjustment?
Is it the whole reservoir. THe mechanic gave me the deer in the headlights look. I am so sick of these poor customer service guys. Anyway, I think it is the idler pulley and I am taking it in Monday so if you get this in time let me know what I should expect them to do with the power steering and I will just lean on them to do it.
As for towing, here is an article I found. Seems that towing my 3300lb trailer vs 3300 boat is very different. Likely due to wind resistence. Good news for you boaters.
To the website that lists all the recalls and service bulletins for all makes and models for Brill. I lost it somewhere, sometime. The P-S reservoir is on the list.
The service department should be able to retrieve it (if anyone there can operate a computer).
The Edmunds Maintenance Guide shows recalls and summaries of TSBs.... You may be thinking of alldata.com? Steve Host SUVs, Vans and Aftermarket & Accessories Message Boards
I'm looking at a used Montero since the value plummets after 1 year. Edmunds has the XLS at about 21k and the LTD at about 23.5k private party. I've been researching and it sounds like a pretty reliable SUV. I test drove it and it rides really well considering it's off-road ability. Should I get the XLS with Sunroof, or look hard and buck up for a Limited? Dealers have the XLS at 23k and the LTD at 25-26k which is negotiable. I'm on a waiting list for a Honda Pilot, but I think the dealer may not keep his word on MSRP, and frankly 31k is too much for what you get. What is everyone's opinion on the roll-over thing? I heard about Rancho shocks helping, and as long as you don't think it's a sports car and remember that all SUVs are top heavy, you should be OK.
If you can get a LTD at 23K go for it. I would not believe Edmunds if they really are quoting this on a 1 year old, good condition, LTD. I will dig up another site that I just looked at yeasterday that had my LTD still at 28-29K I think but let me go find it.
Also, look up a couple of posts and read those other reviews I put in. Unless you are towing regularly or have the cash for a Land Cruiser you will not be disappointed. There still isnt anything out there that can match the Montero. It is bigger than most but not too big, priced right, rides great, unstoppable 4wd setup (LTD with 5 speed and limited slip rear end) and is very well built. Still rated very high in countries that have more experience with them like Australia.
I will admit that the service dept leaves a lot to be desired but I have had problems with other service shops as well.
It is also interesting that Edumunds has classified the Montero LTD as a "mid sized" rather than "luxury" SUV. Seems to be a little slant there. If you look at the vehicles in those classes by clicking under new vehicles than click on the right side of the screen under SUV you will see the SUV's in those two classes. Hummm, the Hummer is a luxury SUV and the Montero is a Mid sized.
Being in the military I can tell you that no matter what aftermarket stuff they put on that thing it will never ride better than the Montero. Oh, my aching back.
You mentioned you were gonna take your truck in for this. You are most likely correct about the belt. This happened to my 2001 Montero. I took it in and they said it was a belt problem.
I didn't believe it at first because the rattle sounded too "metallic". However, when I picked it up the rattle was gone.
As much as I love this truck and as reliable as it's seems, I have all kinds of mysterious rattling, squealing and indescribably noises in this truck.
I've suggested the resevoir thing to the dealer early in it's life but he of course didn't know a thing about that. I have about 3 or 4 different noises that are very worrysome but so far at 55K none of them have appeared to cause any problems other than the embarassment of driving something that sounds like a junker at times.
Of course I can't duplicate these at the dealer and I'm out of warranty.
Thanks, I think it is probably a belt adjustment or just replace the "idle pulley" or what ever the call that small pulley that takes up some of the slack in the belt. Would not suprise me that a large belt like this has a sort of break in and stretching that needs to be adjusted after a few thousand miles.
I am going to have the power steering issue taken care of as well just to be safe.
I reviewed the TSB's and was pleased to find that despite the three initial fixes (radiator, wipers, brake accuator) there does not seem to be anything else.
On an SUV this complicated that is reassuring.
Will have them check out that switch up front that has leaked on others. I think they are not subject to recall. Apparently it is only a switch that turns on the light inside the cab indicating when you are in 4wd. It doesnt do anything else.
If you have been off road a lot then I would expect some noices. If I may be so bold as to suggest something to you. Get a can of your favorite lube and after an extensive power wash of the undercarriage and wash of the door jams, hood, rear door, etc. Hit every moving part you can find. I think this will take care of your "noises" and is probably a good idea if you getting your rig as dirty as mine.
Hardly. I took it off only once actually and that was long before any noises crept up. I bought this truck for it's cargo capacity more than anything. It was a mini van revolt like most SUV purchases. Plus I wanted something that wouldn't be grounded during snow storms.
I have about three or four different mysterious sounds. One is like a vibrating thin metal plate of some sort. One is a Moaning sound that occassionally occurs and another could be the power steering thing you guys have been talking about. I also have some front suspesion Creeping noises which is kind of strange.
None of them have been able to be replicated at the dealer of course and they claim my power steering resevoir has not been tagged for a replacement.
Vehicle: 2001 Mitsubishi Montero Summary: INFORMATION DIAGNOSING BODY VIBRATION. INFORMATION ON POWER STEERING WHINE. SUBJECT PERTAINING TO FUEL DIAGNOSTIC TROUBLE CODE P0125. VEHICLES MAY EXPERIENCE WINDSHIELD WIPER ARMS COMING LOOSE
From AllData list of TSBs:
01-37A-001 MAY 01 Power Steering Pump - Whining Noise
The power steering pump thing seems not to be a recall. Took my Montero in and they told me it is not on the list to be replaced. It was my understanding that if they make noise they will be replaced so they are going to do this.
I think the problem is the size of the fluid tank. It looks like there is a lot of swirling action taking place in the small tank and Ill just bet you that this draws air into the system sometimes and this is what is causing the noise. Simple fix but the attitude of the repair guys in my area is very poor. If there was someplace to give feedback I just might. They should be more customer focused. Afterall, they get paid from the factory anyway.
They put belt lube on and my metallic sound went away. Somehow I dont see how this sound could be made by rubber on metal. They have promised to replace the belt when they get one. I guess I will take them up on this free belt eventhough I dont this this is the problem.
This leads me to my last complaint. I brought the Montero in to have the mechanic listen to the sounds. He did. Then brought it back on a different day for service. I left with the diff oil changed out but they said I need to come back again when the power steering tank and belt are in stock. Crazy, they should have had the parts before I brought it back.
I dont know about the rest of you but I am way too busy to take a rig in 3 times for a simple issue.
Also, FYI. Tranny oil changes by routine maintence are defined as draining the tranny of 4 out of the 16 quarts of oil that are in there. For about $180 they can blow out all the oil but they dont do this unless you request it.
Seems like changing 25% of the oil would be a waste of time.
Anyone know what tranny fluid the Montero calls for aftermarket, if there is one?
ARB now offers a couple of spring kits and replacement shocks for the Montero
www.arb.com.au but call the US number for info.
There are kits that increase the spring rate for stock Monteros and even one that increases the rate if you are hauling heavy loads, have a front winch, etc.
Constant rate front springs with increasing rate rear spings, double tubed, low pressure nitrogen shocks.
They tell me it is a 35mm raise in the front and 40mm in the rear. Handling is improved as is off road ability.
I asked about the roll over issue and they sort of laughed. Apparently thier shock/sping engineer was extremely pleased with the new Montero/Pajero suspension.
I am tring to get the full prices now, the stuff is very new
I'm ready to pull the trigger and get the Yokohama Geolander A/T in 265/75/16 for my LTD. The best price I've come across is $500 installed nearby. Is this a good price, and will the taller tire be a problem? Can I possibly go even bigger without fitment/rubbing issues? Thanks.
If you go for it, be sure and let us know how they work out. This is the size I'm looking at in the BFG ATs. They're over $600 mounted, so $500 looks reasonable for Yokohamas (which, I think, are also an excellent choice).
The 75 will give you a 5% taller sidewall. I dont know what diameter this will translate to off the top of my head but you will be going faster than your speedo shows if not adjusted.
Ford, Chevy, etc trucks can be electronically reprogrammed for larger tires. I was going to ask Mitsu about this but I seem to get uninformed answers by the shop so I dont know that I can trust them. I would ask them if they can reprogram like the American trucks. If they say no then we need to double check other sources. I have the manuals but will be out of town over the weekend. Will check them Monday.
The Yok AT geo plus II rated at the top and look more aggressive for off road. I am strongly considering them if I can get an eye on them when my tires wear out.
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I would hold them accountable and ask them why they think you cant go back and forth.
At the time, I was planning a sort of "mini-monster" project vehicle and the engine seemed like a good place to start. Had headers installed, opened up the exhaust ports and a sewer pipe exhaust. This did increase gas mileage (from 10 to about 12 mpg) and increase power.
Oversize radiator. Rebuilt and converted A/C to new, non-ozone depleting freon. Transmission was rebuilt also (Turbo 400). H-D WARN front manual locking hubs. Etc, Etc.
But, alas, never got much further and my wife wanted something newer.
Anybody want to buy a "macho" 3/4 ton 4-WD with a "real offroad" solid axle suspension both front and rear? (It also rides and handles like a truck).
BTW, does anyone else think the Montero sounds a bit noisy, esp. going over freeway dots? Sound is similar to my M3, which has 235/40/17 tires.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/yokohama/yo_geolandar_at_plus.jsp
Also, you own one of my two favorite sports cars, the M3, and I am extremely jealous (the other is the Acura NSX). I thought long and hard about the new M3 with that new motor but was very dissapointed to find out that they are not offering 4 doors.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/surveyresults/orat.jsp
I'm sure your probably correct. I only raised the issue because I had asked about using syn when I had my first service. He told me Mitsu says NOT to use it in this engine and he gave me a reason why it will damage it. I forget what he said but.. I will ask him for specifice next time I'm in. That should raise a controversy, LOL. But I am curious why he made the claim in the first part.
The one comment about not being able to switch back to petro after using syn.. is bogus I think though. So I guess we cant trust everything these dealer service managers say.
I will continue to argue that oil changes every 3K is unnecessary though for most of us. I think Curlys post explained that very well.
Drew
The M3 is actually my wife's! Well, she let me sell her Lexus ES300 so we could buy the M3. It's nice to be able to row your own gears once in a while. I was considering a Supra TT or RX-7, but the M3 sedan was the best compromise of sport and practicality.
I am considering going to synthetic oil. What kind of mpg do you get on the highway @ what average speed? I get the 2001 Montero Ltd, dealer to do all my service. My dealer uses Chevron 5-30 and I think that is a good oil, so I have not requested a special oil yet. I average 19-20 mpg on the highway, speed averaging 65-70 mph. Thanks.
It really depends on what you want if for. I love my Montero (Have a 2001 ltd going on two years of ownership) and I plan on keeping it at least another 3-5 years. You can drive the thing darn near anywhere, and, considering underneath the skin its a really a unibody truck, it drives great, looks great, and is very comfortable, even on long trips. Third row seats are fine for kids for a short trip (or in laws) but not for much else.Haven't tried towing anything more than a couple of thousand pounds, so can't help you there.
Had one problem with the central switch thingy underneath leaking; this was fixed either on a recall or TSB, otherwise no problems to speak of.
If you will take it off road, and don't do alot of heavy towing, I think its the ideal choice IMHO from a value standpoint, compares favorably to Toyota LC at much lower price. If you are going to do heavy towing, or need more room I would look at Yukon/Tahoe/Suburban or Sequoia (New expedition looks promising, but a first year brand new model Ford--YIIIIIIKKKKKEEEEESS!!!)
If you don't need the off road capabilites, I would consider something else--there are a number of wonderful SUVs that have relatively good traction control systems that drive a little more car-like (The Monte is definitely a truck, although a well behaved one). Toyota Highlander, Acura MDX, Honda Pilot (although with the way the dealers are gouging on these, the MDX at MSRP may be the better deal), ML-320, RX-300 (Which I personally can't stand), BMW, and the new Volvo are just a few examples of crossover SUVs built more for comfort than for pounding..Although the Monte can be had at a lower price than any of the above....
Good luck and if you have any specific questions, post them here--I'm sure you'll get a number of responses...
For towing forget the Sequoia and go all American. Despite any thoughts of increased reliability you will give up safe and practical towing.
Sidebar, everyone at the Eastern Oregon Motorcycle desert ride last weekend that was towing a trailer had either a Ford or Chevy 1/2-3/4 ton truck with extra or crew cab configurations. These guys have been towing for years. No light duty stuff out there (My Montero was there in style)
I would add also that cppgr should look at the Ford Explorer as well. Rated pretty good and more power than the Montero.
cppgr, I think the only real detractor for me so far and going on 2 years is the lack of power with heavy loads, towing or when you really want to tear up steep, long hills. Other than that I plan to add a nice pickup for towing, hauling to cover the other bases.
It is the best SUV next to the Toyota LC at almost half the cost but be sure to drive it for yourself.
Good luck
In town, about 16 MPG
Freeway 55-65, no less than 19 MPG and I have hit 22 MPG (wind behind my back no doubt)
Freeway >65, oh that darn wind resistence, best 19, worst 17
I dont think I have noticed a difference in mileage although my Accura GSR seems to run cooler or I am losing my mind. Then again this thing runs at much higher RPM and may be generating less heat now due to improvements in friction.
I am thinking the Limited. Here in Greece the taxation system is so restrict, that owning a car over 3,000 litres is an expensive sport. I have to mention to you, that many American SUV are not even imported in Greece (Ford Explorer, Acura, etc.). To give you an idea, Montero Limited 2002 price in Greece is at 56,000 $ (ML 320 for ex. is at 71,000$) and owning Montero Limited means that your annual income is at least 40,000$ (Avg. annual income in Greece is 16,000$ per capita). Mistakes are very expensive as you can see and it is obvious that you can not easily sell a used car over 3,000 litres, because you have to find a rich person who wants a used car(very difficult) or you will give it to a dealer for nothing.
You can choose between manual or auto (with sport selection) transmission, but I would like to know if the difference in gas milage between the manual and the driving in sport selection mode with the automatic, is big.
Also I would like to know, if I will avoid chains in the winter when I am going for ski. It is obvious that I put chains in my Golf 1,8T at the first second I meet ice or snow (225 tyre size you see), but I also have seen some BMW X5 and Vitara dangerous sliding without chains. Is there any extra sound with the ski on the roof on the motorway?
In the U.S., we don't have the option of the manual, so can't help you there. Have never put skis on the roof--I have a rear hitch with ski/bike attachments--don't know if anyone else has roof mounted ski racks; would be a little concerned about the moonroof but its probably doable. The rear rack is nice, but I'd recommend covers for your skis if you go this route.
I live in Wisconsin, where it snows 364 days a year (ok, not that much, but pretty close) and I have never had a problem with traction with the stock Yok-Geolanders in snow (there have been some complaints about mud in this forum)--doubt you'd need chains for traction going up hill or on level ground; It could be a problem going down steep hills though (the Monte is heavy).
I love driving my Monte in the winter--I've driven through fields with no problems, and steep hills as well, but haven't done any driving on steep mountains when the roads were bad (which is unfortunate 'cause that means no fresh snow on the ski hills, but I digress...)
Brill may have had the chance to drive in snowy mountain conditions however.
I think for what you're describing you'd be very happy with the Monte.
Good luck, let us know what you pick. Any other questions or concerns feel free to fire away....
I have put many snowy and muddy mountain miles on with no problems and that is with the very road biased tires that come with the Monte (Yok Geolander).
I carry chains but doubt I will ever use them.
That could be a good idea but in Athens citizens are not allowed to own diesel cars
Can you tell me reasons why I need to add a rear spoiler to my Montero 2001 besides better looks and preventing dirty splash of water going into rear windshield? Thanks!
If I go to a 2inch lift I might go all the way and add these if the road noise wont be too bad. Otherwise I think the Geo AT plus II look good and are rated at the top.
Going to the dealer today to have the mechanic listen. Maybe the belt needs adjustment?
Have you had your power steering pump reservoir change to the new larger one? It could be the fluid foaming and the pump cavitating.
As for towing, here is an article I found. Seems that towing my 3300lb trailer vs 3300 boat is very different. Likely due to wind resistence. Good news for you boaters.
http://www.boatingmag.com/features/print_features.html?FeatureID=32
Another good review for those keeping track
http://www.carbuytip.com/reviews/2002_mitsubishi_montero.html
The service department should be able to retrieve it (if anyone there can operate a computer).
Steve
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What is everyone's opinion on the roll-over thing? I heard about Rancho shocks helping, and as long as you don't think it's a sports car and remember that all SUVs are top heavy, you should be OK.
Also, look up a couple of posts and read those other reviews I put in. Unless you are towing regularly or have the cash for a Land Cruiser you will not be disappointed. There still isnt anything out there that can match the Montero. It is bigger than most but not too big, priced right, rides great, unstoppable 4wd setup (LTD with 5 speed and limited slip rear end) and is very well built. Still rated very high in countries that have more experience with them like Australia.
I will admit that the service dept leaves a lot to be desired but I have had problems with other service shops as well.
http://www.nadaguides.com/Values/
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For comparison,
Landcruiser now worth 43,875 and new 53+
It is also interesting that Edumunds has classified the Montero LTD as a "mid sized" rather than "luxury" SUV. Seems to be a little slant there. If you look at the vehicles in those classes by clicking under new vehicles than click on the right side of the screen under SUV you will see the SUV's in those two classes. Hummm, the Hummer is a luxury SUV and the Montero is a Mid sized.
Being in the military I can tell you that no matter what aftermarket stuff they put on that thing it will never ride better than the Montero. Oh, my aching back.
You mentioned you were gonna take your truck in for this. You are most likely correct about the belt. This happened to my 2001 Montero. I took it in and they said it was a belt problem.
I didn't believe it at first because the rattle sounded too "metallic". However, when I picked it up the rattle was gone.
I've suggested the resevoir thing to the dealer early in it's life but he of course didn't know a thing about that. I have about 3 or 4 different noises that are very worrysome but so far at 55K none of them have appeared to cause any problems other than the embarassment of driving something that sounds like a junker at times.
Of course I can't duplicate these at the dealer and I'm out of warranty.
Drew
I am going to have the power steering issue taken care of as well just to be safe.
I reviewed the TSB's and was pleased to find that despite the three initial fixes (radiator, wipers, brake accuator) there does not seem to be anything else.
On an SUV this complicated that is reassuring.
Will have them check out that switch up front that has leaked on others. I think they are not subject to recall. Apparently it is only a switch that turns on the light inside the cab indicating when you are in 4wd. It doesnt do anything else.
http://www.alldata.com/TSB/0140_mo.html
I have about three or four different mysterious sounds. One is like a vibrating thin metal plate of some sort. One is a Moaning sound that occassionally occurs and another could be the power steering thing you guys have been talking about. I also have some front suspesion Creeping noises which is kind of strange.
None of them have been able to be replicated at the dealer of course and they claim my power steering resevoir has not been tagged for a replacement.
Who knows.
Drew
Component Description:
12.MISCELLANEOUS NHTSA Number: SB618252
Bulletin Number: 67
Bulletin Date: FEB 2001
Vehicle: 2001 Mitsubishi Montero
Summary:
INFORMATION DIAGNOSING BODY VIBRATION. INFORMATION ON POWER STEERING WHINE. SUBJECT PERTAINING TO FUEL DIAGNOSTIC TROUBLE CODE P0125. VEHICLES MAY EXPERIENCE WINDSHIELD WIPER ARMS COMING LOOSE
From AllData list of TSBs:
01-37A-001 MAY 01 Power Steering Pump - Whining Noise
I think the problem is the size of the fluid tank. It looks like there is a lot of swirling action taking place in the small tank and Ill just bet you that this draws air into the system sometimes and this is what is causing the noise. Simple fix but the attitude of the repair guys in my area is very poor. If there was someplace to give feedback I just might. They should be more customer focused. Afterall, they get paid from the factory anyway.
They put belt lube on and my metallic sound went away. Somehow I dont see how this sound could be made by rubber on metal. They have promised to replace the belt when they get one. I guess I will take them up on this free belt eventhough I dont this this is the problem.
This leads me to my last complaint. I brought the Montero in to have the mechanic listen to the sounds. He did. Then brought it back on a different day for service. I left with the diff oil changed out but they said I need to come back again when the power steering tank and belt are in stock. Crazy, they should have had the parts before I brought it back.
I dont know about the rest of you but I am way too busy to take a rig in 3 times for a simple issue.
Also, FYI. Tranny oil changes by routine maintence are defined as draining the tranny of 4 out of the 16 quarts of oil that are in there. For about $180 they can blow out all the oil but they dont do this unless you request it.
Seems like changing 25% of the oil would be a waste of time.
Anyone know what tranny fluid the Montero calls for aftermarket, if there is one?
www.arb.com.au but call the US number for info.
There are kits that increase the spring rate for stock Monteros and even one that increases the rate if you are hauling heavy loads, have a front winch, etc.
Constant rate front springs with increasing rate rear spings, double tubed, low pressure nitrogen shocks.
They tell me it is a 35mm raise in the front and 40mm in the rear. Handling is improved as is off road ability.
I asked about the roll over issue and they sort of laughed. Apparently thier shock/sping engineer was extremely pleased with the new Montero/Pajero suspension.
I am tring to get the full prices now, the stuff is very new
Thanks, PHOnos
Dont they have the OEM size of 265/70-16?
The 75 will give you a 5% taller sidewall. I dont know what diameter this will translate to off the top of my head but you will be going faster than your speedo shows if not adjusted.
Ford, Chevy, etc trucks can be electronically reprogrammed for larger tires. I was going to ask Mitsu about this but I seem to get uninformed answers by the shop so I dont know that I can trust them. I would ask them if they can reprogram like the American trucks. If they say no then we need to double check other sources. I have the manuals but will be out of town over the weekend. Will check them Monday.
The Yok AT geo plus II rated at the top and look more aggressive for off road. I am strongly considering them if I can get an eye on them when my tires wear out.
http://www.outdoorwire.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=69;t=005761
Paris Dakar Rally on tonight!
Friday at 10 PM eastern, History channel. If you are on the west coast and have satellite, it is on at 7 PM.
Hopefully, lots of Montero/Pajero footage.