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Nothing wrong with a little hype I guess, although nobody expects the upcoming CTS-V to be a bad car anyway.
Car & Driver is nothing but a shill for BMW.
That would be interesting. Do you have a link?
I do not seem many M-series BMWs around here (but we don't have a BMW dealer nearby either). I have seen an older M3 or M5 from time to time, but it may be one of very few in this area. There are quite a few BMWs though
When Cadillac first proposed the V-series models, the idea was to limit sales, although that seems not to be needed. The point was to have a model to compete with the M-series BMW's. From my point of view, for the money, the V8 STS would make far more sense than a V-series CTS. And really, the CTS_V is not much of a family sedan, the STS is a bigger car and for the money would make way more sense.
As I see it though, the CTS_V has failed to become "king of the hill" in the super sport sedan category. The CTS_V seems more of a hotrod sort of vehicle than a high performance entry level luxury sports sedan. I think this not the right image for Cadillac. Worse, the STS_V was never really seriously close to "king of the hill" in its category. However, the STS_V is probably a better daily driver than either the BMW M5 or the comparable Mercedes AMG 63 E-class model.
Okay, I understand your POV, but if we're talking about money, don't buy a Cadillac (or a BMW/Mercedes for that matter)! These are all want cars so I'm not sure anyone can rationalize the purchase of one toy over another when all most people really need is a Cobalt/4-cyl Malibu. Also, everyone doesn't equate a larger car with opulence. Personally, I can't wait for a CTS-V coupe (CTC?) automatic to come out. Yeah, its too much money. Yeah, it doesn't haul as many as an Impala. Yeah, it will be garish and in-your-face like the sedan, but it's what I want. GM is the largest auto corp on the globe. They should be able to operate in every market regardless of what makes sense. It's a car, not a Roth IRA. Have fun!
However, Cadillac has had time to develop a serious Cadillac CTS_V engine. I would put the supercharged STS_V engine in it, but they should have developed a newer, better DOHC engine for the V-series cars. In fact I think that an engine is in development. So if a supercharged 4.8 liter DOHC V8 could be put in the CTS_V with about 500 lb-ft of torque, this engine might be good enough to hold its own in this performance category.
If they simply took an extra few months (and I mean a few months, with the resources of a GM or Ford) and built it right they could have a hit on their hands without all the "it could be a great car, BUT..." comments, and then they spend the next few years trying to get the bad taste out of the initial buyers mouths who will never buy another one again, and jump over to the import, never to return to USA cars again...
And this pattern does seem to repeat over and over again...maybe it did not with the 40th year Mustang, simply because Ford actually had a bean counter who could do the math and figure out, well in advance, when the 40th anniversary of the Mustang would be, giving them adequate time to plan ahead...
PS--(before I get flamed) I like/am indifferent to pushrods. Caddy wants to alter its perception. Meanwhile the majority of media/enthusiasts are against pushrods esp. in this application. I'm not saying who's right, but if you can't beat 'em, join em.
I swear I read something like that once though, and it seems so typical of his bluster.
True enough when you look at the failed GM diesel as an example. However, when you consider that the original CTS-V came with a Corvette engine, not just a V-8 from the "parts bin", that is enough to put it in a different category than just "hurry up and push it out". A lot of engineering went into that motor as well.
The last gen of RWD GM cars (Caprice, Roadmaster, etc.) came with a tuned down version of the Corvette engine. Now, 12 model yrs after it went out of production, these cars are beginning to attract attention, not just for their motors either.
Those AMG automobiles cost 2-3 times as much also !!!!
-Rocky
No they don't
E55 and C63 vs CTS-V and STS-V
However, the multivalve DOHC engines are considered premium engines, and Cadillac should be a premium make, so I think that only premium engines should be used. I don't know what they are planning though.
That isn't even double, although it is close, of what a last gen CTS-V costs. I am sure there will be a significant price increase for the CTS-V as well.
Poorly designed seats or dash, simply other aspects that require more time but get rushed in the heat to compete, and then the bad taste becomes even more bitter when you go to trade in that first model and find out it is worthless...
A measured response to competetive pressures would be better so that the initial reviews of car XYZ make people want to buy it, rather than the reviews that call it a (New japanese car Name) wannabe...
That's all I mean...the great engine from the Vette will not overcome a dashboard that falls apart, uncomfortable seats, or sluggish steering or bad brakes...
-Rocky
I still don't believe a single soul cross-shops 5er with CTS. Germans (along with the premium Japanese now) have established a very successful three-tier lineup for decades...competing with a two tier lineup doesn't bump you up because your low tier is closer in length to the middle tier of the competition than the lower (by a couple inches). Price is the important variable. The way I see it today, Caddy has a low and middle tier (CTS, STS), but no upper tier (S, 7er).
The new CTS is half an inch longer then the 5 series and about a foot longer then the 3 series sedan.
The STS is about 5.5 inches longer then the 5 series.
-Rocky
The real problem with the Olds diesel was that the fuel system did not protect the fuel injection pump from water, which would blow out the gaskets leaving you dead when the water got to the pump. The pump failure might also have taken out some engines. I always went to truckstops to get diesel fuel, thinking that they knew how to manage their fuel dumps to limit water problems.
EDIT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldsmobile_V8_engine#LF9
Go down to the section on Oldsmobile Intake Leak Problems and Oldsmobile Diesel problems. The article seems fairly written about the etymology of the diesels head problems: fuel quality, excess pressures, and failure at a weak spot that didn't happen when driven with quality fuel.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
I know this has been discussed ad nauseum, but I will say that if there is going to be one model to replace the STS/DTS and if it intends to compete in the 70K+ market, it will have to be both big and RWD...where will the DTS people go? Buick I guess.
The DTS and Buick Lucerne will share the same fate. Both will go out of production. However, while the DTS and STS may become a new RWD model(s) on a new platform, what Buick will get is somewhat less clear. Probably Buick will get a RWD sedan too. FWD DTS people could go to Lincoln.
I always believed there was some kind market in the US for a large moderately priced FWD car - I know the DTS has its fans.
For those who want FWD for icy traction, AWD is probably a much better solution. Most DTS owners want a big car more than anything. I think when Cadillac brought out the 85 FWD deVille, many owners thought the old RWD Fleetwood was more the car they wanted. On the otherhand, most just bought "deVille" without paying much attention to anything but the series name.
I am sure Caddy makes some money from those wanting a large car but don't want to spend 70K for it...they've sold at least one black example lately anyway. I have to wonder if that segment will stick around.
Someone has to buy them.
I have found that my SRX is easier to maneuver than my Seville (shorter turning radius). Your DTS is probably worse.
First time there since 1969.
You're right, but I'd like to point out that Epsilon-II will be available in varying lengths, so yes it will get bigger, but it will also have a bigger version available for (hopefully) an Avalon competitor at Chevrolet.
So perhaps the new Eps II will be flexible in width and able to get the wider back seat of the FWD W's and Lucerne/DTS.
BUT I can pretty much say Cadillac will never get a vehicle based on the EPS II to replace the DTS. So why is this thread here??
I certainly hope not, but you never know...
Back to Cadillac, though. The rumors of a Cadillac V12 are surfacing again: V12 under development? I can't wait!
The W platform is also going out, replaced by the EPS II.
Perhaps the RWD DTS will come from down under?
-Rocky