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"I was challenged"???? Arent you the one who was getting all excited about how noone wanted to race you in this forum, since we were all big wimps? Well, you challenged people, and your challenge was met. Oh, by the way, "jumping"? Is that what normal people consider to be "driving up a sand dune at high speed, and flying over a big batch of land", or is that your idea of jumping?
About trucks being bought over the net: Ok, I can't check it now, I'll buy that it's what you are saying. Now...how does that matter? It's still buying a truck. I still go down to the dealership, talk to dealers, testdrive the truck. Buying it over the net means you don't deal with a street dealer, and then head into the GSM office, but you deal with the net salesman, and then head into GSMs office. I guess buying a truck $100 over invoice is bad because I didnt go through the 3 hour hassle like you did at the dealership?
And I do have AC in the truck. It's a part of a package. And I have power everything.
You didnt buy a truck to drive 100? WEll, I agree, I didnt buy it for that either. But please, about the 6-CD changer: Do you expect anyone in here to believe that you'll be driving eyes dead on the road, wehn you got a babyseat somewhere in the back? Thats the reason why you didnt buy a Nissan or DC, backseat was too small....so you will not look behind you to check on the baby?
About the brake: Given that IIHS has actually determined that Tacoma's safety cage is STRONGER than Rangers, and right leg rating is G, I wouldnt worry about slamming my leg against the brake. Take a look at Ranger's rightfoot and safety cage rating, and then we can talk.
Let me try again at the "Why does Ford sell more".
Pretty much throughout the US, the national average salary is somewhere around 35K. So at a 35K a year difference of alleged 2K in price can be quite big. Heck, take even 40K, the 2K difference is still 5% of your yearly income. Ford is targeting the broadest layer of population possible, with its cheap prices. Just like WalMart does. Considering how much debt an average US family already carries, it can explain why they shop at WalMart and buy cheapest things possible.
Great number of people will trade a cheap buy for quality buy. Again, explains why WalMart is thriving (please agree that Walmart is cheap? Quality of products in WM is REALLY low. It's economics again: when you want to target the largest number of people, you just make things cheap to produce and cheap to sell).
And last, I am not saddaddy. Be original, at least.
Still....speed doesnt kill, bad driving kills, but thats my personal view on it. I'd love to see unlimited speed highways all over the US, where people who can handle cars at high speed could at least enjoy it publically without fear of rearending some 80yo bluehair from Florida, or being taken to jail.
I've seen plenty of situations where an accident would have been caused by a dumb driver (in one case, stationary dumb driver). You have to be smart on the road, not slow.
scorpio......it seems your results are a bit (okay, a lot) tainted by what ive observed at IIHS' website. its seems that the dummies injuries in the tacoma were greater than the rangers and mazdas. the ranger also has better rated head restraints and bumpers. BOTH received the same overall rating. what are you talking about saying the tacoma was found to be safer? ranger got better injury reports and has better bumpers and the all important head restraints. same exact score overall. please stop lying to this forum about how safe the tacoma was found to be by the iihs. and to top it off, ranger was found to be safer by the nhtsa, this is the one that counts. here's the proof if you still dont believe. note that this was supposed to be researched by you, and i double checked. like ive said so many times, make sure what you post is the truth, cuz im gonna find you out everytime. just like i found out you're allknowing as well. here's the link:
http://www.highwaysafety.org/vehicle_ratings/ce/html/summary_smpickup.htm
So thanks for your concern but I think he's all set. The point still stands, if you are going to be towing 5000lbs on a regular basis, buy a full sized truck not a Ranger or Tacoma.
Ranger has much bigger chance to damage RIGHT foot, the one you said I'd bump into the parking brake handle. The overall rating for both trucks is the same, but some things in Taco are better than others. Same goes for Ranger. So am I lying about the safety cage? I'll take a non-crumbling safety cage over bumpers, thank you very much. Speak up, boy.
Also, I guess living in Iowa means being paranoid and dilusional (at this point I am generalizing, but I've never heard anything good about the place anyway, and you are a living proof), since you were thinking I'm saddaddy, AND now I am allknowing. How much you wanna bet I'm not? HOw about a pink slip to your Ranger, so I can sell the POS and get myself some nice equipment for my truck (IF I can sell it, probably some dealer will give me few thousand for it)? (And Saddaddys, and allknowings). Remember, you offered to race for pink slips before, so I am just doing the same thing to you, except its not racing.
Lets just hope your kids don't grow up to be as dilusional as you are.
Thanks for the concern.
Go tow your 5600lbs and have a good time.
a. I have a S/C
b. I have 32" Goodyear MTR's
c. I have sway-away coilovers in front
d. I have beilstein 7100's in the rear
e. I don't have a bed welded to my frame, which is just like you.
=60 more hp/60 more ft/lbs torque and better off-road tires (for Iowa terrain) and 2" more clearance and a 10x better suspension than yours or the orginal TRD suspension.
So, basically it would not be a "stock" vs. a stock. I was being fecetious about my statement of a slalom at 100mph. (blowing things out of proportion: Like someone else on here=YOU) and no I don't drive 100mph in my pick-up, but will easily do it:) I would like to wheel with you sometime, even if we don't have comparable vehicles. Lets try to set something up sometime!
scorpio: The S/C does not kill your gas mileage if you don't hot rod it all the time. I get 19-21 most of the time and 17 in town. If I hot rod alot drop approx. 1mpg of both estimates.
By the way, I found your link in post #3106 interesting too. You noted that the Ranger had better ratings in "all important head restraints". Wow the Ranger scored "poor to marginal" while the Tacoma was rated only "poor". The Ranger didn’t quite excel in this area as your post implies. The Ranger also scored lower than the Tacoma in "Structure/ safety cage" and in injuries to the right foot. Overall, the Tacoma and the Ranger scored higher than any other small truck and you would be stretching the facts, as you typically do, to say that one is really better than the other according to that chart. Anyway looking forward to your next childish insult and erronous post. It's good to have a regular here, like yourself, that virtually everyone looks down upon.
ranger scored equally overall with tacoma in iihs ratings, not better like scorpio originally stated. and ranger scored better than tacoma in nhtsa, which no one is commenting on. scorpio, please note that ranger had fewer injuries than tacoma and received more positive scores. tacoma's safety cage may have not crumbled as easily, but that force was obviously felt by the driver as the tacoma had the chance of getting seriously injured easier, by the results of the bodily injury scores.
saddaddy, glad to also see you're acknoledging some facts. benefits of being able to tow 600 more pounds with ranger? its that one extra 4x4 4-wheeler that you can't load on a trailer and pull with tacoma, that you can load up and pull with ranger. what you gonna tell your buddies, sorry, but my wimpy tacoma can only tow these four wheelers, you'll have to rent a truck to bring yours. there's your 600 pound benefit. where was your argument over in tundra vs big three pickups when we were discussing tow ratings? over there, you clung to each pound tundra would pull. again, the fact is not in your favor, so, lets downplay it, am i right? obviously.
smgilles- since you have 32" goodyear tires, i hope you're not ruining your gears with the larger tires and more power. this sounds like trouble waiting to happen. is all that power going to help off-road? nope. four low is four low, and my 210 horses is more than enough to keep up with your 265. ive got 31" BFG's, (according to pluto, who thinks metric and flotation are the same- they're really LT265/70/16)and ill take you off-road. like i said, name the place and time dude. sounds like you don't have the TRD, why else would you claim your setup is better than a stock TRD? i could (as well) easily slap some bilsteins on my truck if you want me to make it more fair for you to accept it when i pull you out of the mud or up that hill. id do that for ya. keep me posted. LOL
the name of this forum is ranger vs tacoma. a few posts earlier, i laid out the facts on both trucks as far as a lot of items are concerned. ie. tow ratings, options, configurations, sales numbers, etc. the ranger wins hands down, as evident by you guys' downplaying of all of these facts. im sick of proving all of this to you. its time for you all to accept them, and be happy with your overpriced tacoma. its not our fault you didn't buy a ford truck. after all, what's ford known for? their trucks. toyota? their corolla. LOL. tacoma= all wheel drive camry. hilarious. oh, one with a one-star crash rating in side impacts.
1. Tbunder bragged about his rear locker when he thought he had one, found out he didn't, then says lockers suck and LSDs are better
2. Tbunder goofed big time when he didn't realize a P265 tire is a 31" tire - he was corrected by eagle63
3. Tbunder makes up figures, saying Rangers weigh 400 lbs more than the "tin" Tacomas. In reality, comparable Rangers weigh 60-70 lbs more
4. Tbunder said Tacoma's rear diff is small and wimpy, "at least 2" smaller than Ranger's." Tacoma's diff is .4" smaller.
5. Tbunder tries to discredit the mountain-load of links indicating Tacoma is the better truck by always claiming the reviews were somehow "biased." Yet these same reviews also have Ford advertisements and have favorly reviewed non-Toyota products.
6. Tbunder can't seem to grasp the fact a locker is a better off-roading tool than an LSD.
7. Tbunder keeps bragging about the Ford's top-of-the-line engine option in the Ranger, the 4.0 SOHC. But Tbunder doesn't want to include Toyota's top engine option, the supercharger 3.4L DOHC.
To top if off, we're dealing with somebody who "jumps" trucks and thinks his truck bed is WELDED to the frame!!! Hey Tbunder, how are you going to ever get to your fuel tank if there's a problem? Just curious...
Maybe we should all follow this little piece of advice: "Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience."
I hate to tell you but BFg-T/A's are worthless in the mud. I have owned a set before. Great on ice and loose terrain, but other than that I was not impressed.
Please explain to me how I am going to ruin my gears? How are 4:10's not sufficient? Have you realized you bed is not welded to your frame yet? Makes me wonder if you even own a Ranger. I think your Dad owns it and you (who is 13-15) get to drive while practicing for Drivers Ed. It was your Dad looking for a 4 door that way when he took you and your lady friend to the mall you guys wouldn't be cramped. LOL
Our Ranger-jumping friend here sounded all confident and professional talking about regearing trucks. I guess he doesnt realize that part of putting bigger tires on is regearing. Oh well. He certainly beat me with the experience....I guess they don't teach this stuff in college, otherwise I would have taken time to take a class like this. I think I am going to take that advise and just stop posting in here. Don't be surprised if tbunders reaction is going to be something like: "Haha, he ran away because he knew I was right! No more lies!".
Well, tbunder, I'll leave you to your idiocy. When you buy your F150, make sure to take your eyes off the road a lot, and don't be shy to put the pedal to the metal. The world would certainly be better off without you. Actually with an F150, you don't even have to drive fast, those things crumble at a 40mph crash. Adios.
Now he's saying trucks have beds welded to their frames!
Regearing would be over poor Bundy's little head.
Law wouldn't be a suitable profession for Bundy. Lawyers have to be articulate, persuasive and knowledgeable. They also have to produce legal documents with proper English grammar. Bundy has shown he has none of these traits...
I don't think I've ever "met" anybody as consistently inconsistent as Bundy. He brags about the Ranger, says the S-10 is actually the better 4x4 truck, changes his mind and wants to buy a Frontier (weakest engine in its class), then considers a Toyota DC, then says an F-150 is the ticket. To boot, he pulls figures out of his head...
Bundy, better stick with your Ranger. That little truck is probably safer than the full-size F-150 you want, and you need all the protection you can get from your truck-jumping and whatever else it is you do.
http://www.highwaysafety.org/vehicle_ratings/ce/html/summary_smpickup.htm
you are truly amazing. had you read the IIHS report a little more closely, you would have realized that the Tacoma IS indeed the winner in the compact pickup category. Click on your link, then notice that the tacoma is listed first, followed by the ranger. This is a ranking from 1st to last. Still don't believe me? Ok now follow these steps: click on the words " toyota tacoma," then in the little green box on the left side of the page, click on "photos of vehicles with highest and lowest ratings in this class." Notice what comes up: tacoma as class winner, dakota as class loser.
You know Tbunder, I've always said make sure what you post is the truth, cuz I'm gonna find you out everytime.
I just got back from San Antonio, went to Devils Den there. Pluto, you ever been up there? So today was the day I went 4-wheeling for the first time (and I certainly used a lot of 4 wheels). Wicked..
Although, I did not have the pleasure I wanted....when I was coming back, I almost pulled a Ranger out of mud he got stuck in (guy said he saw grass, he thought he'd be safe. unfortunately, it rained few times this week, like Wednesday or so). Almost being that when I tried to, the guy had his parking brake on, so he wasnt trying hard enough. So then a Suburban came up, cleared the Ranger out. It was a 4.0L XLT with 265s.
You really have to watch that South Texas soil when off-roading because there's so much caliche in it. The stuff holds water long after it rains and is super-mucky and sticky, and what's worse is the top of it usually appears dry. I myself have gotten into some bad situations where the trail appeared perfectly dry and before I knew it, I was almost up to my doors in muck.
Scorpio, did you buy your truck in San Antonio? If so, where and have you been pleased? I need to have some scheduled maintenance done soon and DON'T want to go to Red McComb's (where I bought the truck).
I consciosly tried to avoid mud alltogether, I don't have the tires for it. Got some wet dirt, thats about all (one small 4-feet hill, about 60-70 deg incline proved to be quite challenging for a total beginner, I almost rolled over going down on the way back, got too far to the side).
I bought the Taco in Austin, so I've no idea about San Antonio dealers....there's one in San Marcos, I dont know if its the one you mean. But you can spend an hour and drive to Austin, right on I35 on the very southern part of town there's Champion Toyota, I bought my truck there, I was surprised how painless and well it all went.
At this point, I'm just looking for a good place to get my truck serviced. Hey, I bought a Toyota and shouldn't have to buy new again for 10 years or so!
allknowing, please go to www.fordvehicles.com, and build your ranger, then see that the fx4 is only $500 more than an xlt off-road. then, put on your dunce hat and walk in front of your grandma and tell her how stupid you really are. and that you REALLY HAVE NO CLUE! the price i originally said i bought my truck for was an otd price, not sticker you idiot. you're the moron who said that fx4 was $7000-8000 more than any other ranger. did you not?
pluto- here's how retarded we all know you are.
1) you thought a lsd and a locker could be housed in one axle at the same time, and function interchangeably. doh!
2) you thought, and still do evidently, that a flotation 31" and a metric sized LT265/70/16 are the same tire, when they are very different in sizes. if ya want, i can post the differences you moron.
3) you think, since you have a locker, that an open diff is better in all applications than an lsd except that one time when you're rock climbing and use your locker after stopping to engage it yourself, and can only go 15 mph. and fail to accept the fact that both do the same thing, with the lsd locking itself in automatically, and at ANY speed, not just up to 15 mph.
4) you brag about publications claiming that the tacoma is the best truck in the world, but fail to EVER answer the question of WHY toyota can't come anywhere close to selling as many tacomas as ford sells rangers.
5) you also deny the fact that tacoma got beat by a dodge ram in the new pickup truck of the year shootout by four-wheeler this year, and that it wasn't even in the running last year. four-wheeler totally ran down the TRD's suspension, but you continually brag about how awesome it is.
6) you cannot understand the theory ford used in equipping its FX4 ranger with special baja proven alcoa rims, which is for strength and to reduce unsprung weight. research it yourself. i think someone here is jealous of FX4's components, why else would you be browsing the lots desperately trying to find one.
7)everyone on this little forum knows how bad you twist facts and numbers, check back a few posts if you want proof. practically everyone on here knows how much of an idiot you are and how you are really all talk, posting 24 hours a day at all hours.
8) you think that toyotas best engine is the s/c'd 3.4, when its not even offered for sale from the factory. AND to top it off, you don't even have it, but you still brag like you do. when in reality, we all know you can't afford it being a poor mexican boy holding the slow sign.
9) you post on practically every forum at edmunds, and its sad to see such a fellow like you who has nothing better to do than find assurance with his peers on every forum you can, bragging about your toyota, when in reality you have clutch issues and think you need more power from your wimpy 190 horse 3.4 which is probably on the verge of blowing a head gasket any day down there in the dust storms of the mexico trailer parks.
scorpio, what happened to your little challenge of coming to iowa? all you have to do is drop me a line and ill find the time to wheel with you. chickening out? smgilles, you too. bring it on!
you know, say what you will, but i still haven't seen anyone respond to any of the facts i laid out a couple days ago. ill say it again, sales numbers of ranger outselling tacoma's by hundreds of thousands, more options standard as compared to paying extra for them on tacoma ($85 clock), abs, larger tires and wheels, anti-theft system, more towing power, more horsepower and torque, etc. again, no one wants to discuss these. why? as ive said before, because you cant. you know, i really shouldn't waste my time on you guys, obviously the other ranger guys know its a useless subject to keep pointing out ranger's numerous advantages over tacoma, but since you all have nothing better to do than see what i post, ill give you this one. you guys really are losers, ya know? get out and do something you rejects.
Also, you once weasled out of noting problems with a 98 Ranger telling me to stick with the new models. Why then,do you keep talking about the Tacoma's one star side impact rating when the 2001 and later Tacoma has a three star rating? If you want to go back a few years, then let's note that until about the last five years, Consumer Reports and others have listed the Ranger as a used truck to avoid. It's quality has improved since.
Rather tha calling everyone a childish name, please note that you're the only one looking idiotic in this forum recently. If you enjoy having people look down upon you as well as having no respect, then keep it up. Are you really old enough to drive yet?
#3051 of 3132 tbunder by allknowing Dec 05, 2001 (09:58 pm)
So what you're saying in post #3050 is that Ford is taking advantage of people by charging a whopping $7,000 - $8,000 for better tires and shocks on the FX4. If you were right it would be pathetic, however, since you have no idea what you're talking about again, it doesn't mean much of anything.
this is you talking, and you're saying that ford charges $7000-8000 for the FX4 over any other ranger. nowhere in post 3050, as you claim, did i say this. check it if you want. all i said, is that the FX4 basically is just tires and shocks over the regular off-road pkg. and i even provide a website you can go to to verify this, and you just say, "forget fords website". you are obviously a coward or else you'd check and admit you didn't know what you were talking about in the first place. msrp of FX4 vs msrp of regular off-road are one thing (what i am talking about), otd price of one another are different (is different at every dealer). i haven't priced an FX4, but i would doubt you could get one as cheap as i got mine (otd im talking). i got a $2000 rebate when i got mine. also paid cash for it, so got it even cheaper. but NOWHERE did i ever say that FX4 was $7000-8000 more than regular off-road ranger. YOU DID my friend. its in clear writing. on the '98 ranger issue, one thing you need to know. the only REAL differences in rangers in the three years since '98 is the new 4.0 engine. nothing else has really been changed. so how could a new one be that much better than a '98? tell me though, what was rangers side impact ratings back then? and now? the same i would guess. and what has toyota changed since '98 to make their truck better in side impacts? nothing i would guess. they're still deathtraps. only thing they need is a coke logo on the sides and they'd be perfect. LOL
note: reason im using names, is because pluto started the name calling in his vulgar post earlier this evening. usual for his supressed behavior, he just couldn't take it and blew up. that is very normal in people with his illness. goes way back to his childhood when evidently he was ignored a lot by his parents and friends. i feel sorry for him, truly i do.
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/testing/NCAP/Cars/2001Pkup.html
its been nice proving all of you wrong, even though you all (toyota guys) will never admit it, but just remember, that you guys can't order buy a tacoma with as much horsepower or torque as a ranger, and cannot tow as much with your tacoma. you also can't get a lsd, just a locker, and thats an option if you dont get the TRD pkg. happy holidays all. out.
-I feel a sudden urge to sing the Hallelujah Chorus....
It's pretty simple really... let's get away from the "trying to PROVE something" postings and things will go a LOT smoother...
Back to the trucks please...
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Also your personal attacks on individuals and ethnic jokes should not be tolerated and I for one wish that you would keep to your promise to not post on this group..
The mpg's on the Tacoma and the Ranger are very similar.. For example when comparing 4x4 Rangers and Tacoma mpg's:
Truck city/highway
Ranger 4x2 2.3L = 24/28
Tacoma 4x2 2.4L = 22/27
Tacoma 4x4 2.7L= 19/22
Ranger 4x4 3.0L = 18/21
Tacoma 4x4 3.4L = 17/19
Ranger 4x4 4.0L = 16/19
Tacoma 4x4 3.4L + SC = (I bet less than 16/19, but this isn't available from the factory anyway)
Given the very small difference in MPG's, I doubt that this carries much weight when choosing between the Ranger and the Tacoma.
Reasons to buy a Ranger instead of a Tacoma depends on what you want/need in a small pickup truck..
1. More available options on the Ranger, such as 4-doors in the extended cab models.. Sure you don't want to put adults back there, but it is nice when loading/unloading large gear bags etc.
2. If your a 'power hungry' type of person, the Ranger has the larger engine available from the factory.
3. If you equip the Ranger and Tacoma with similar options, the Ranger tends to be over a thousand dollars less. (comparing MSRP).
4. I prefer the exterior look of the Ranger, interior feel and seating position, and the larger and deeper bed in the Ranger.
What is your personal experience or stories of friends or family that have owned a Tacoma or Ranger..
If you search around here on Edmunds, you'll see there are plenty of folks who have Tacoma problems as well..
1. exterior/interio looks. Looks horrible to me from the outside (only 2002 models are starting to look attractive somewhat), looks .....cheap on the inside. My personal opinion.
2. Track record. It may be the bestseller, but so are $5.99 t-shirts in WalMart. I've lost faith in domestic car makers, and Ford isnt looking attractive at all with all the recalls.
I bet the first time you tried to jump it it wouldn't be able to land 'cause it's sooo ugly. LOL!!! and j/k!
Not to nit pick but you can get your Tacoma from a dealer with the SC already installed. Just like ordering any other vehicle. I was speaking to a mechanic at our dealer and he said it has been done several times this year alone. Order your Tacoma TRD etc. pick all the options you want and have them order the SC at the same time. He said the majority have negotiated the the labor into the truck sale. So theoretically you can have an out the door Tacoma with a SC. Although he suggested holding off until you break the engine in before adding the SC.