Silverado vs F-150 vs Ram vs Tundra. (part II)

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This topic is a continuation of Topic 2168....

Silverado vs F-150 vs Ram vs Tundra: Now We Have a
Topic to Voice Our OPINIONS on Each Model
. Please
continue these discussions here. Thanks!

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  • swobigswobig Member Posts: 634
    first I've seen this topic, first to post - hehe...
  • amoraamora Member Posts: 204
    home made full size pick-ups (TOYOTA, DODGE,
    CHEVY, FORD), some made in Mexico, Canada,
    some by UAW, must keep food on mechanic's
    table, feed families, must make sure they have something to fix, must keep labor rates of
    $75/hr avg, to pay for mechanic's dependents's
    dental care, must keep the parts warehouse's
    full, lemon laws current....if Trucks were
    trouble free, lots of people would be out of
    work. Am taking my Chevy C2500 in for 3 month check, the idle is a teeny bit rough, am having wife take in Thursday so I will not miss a day of
    work....
  • fordtuffordtuf Member Posts: 101
    How are they going to like looking at a rough idle if you re-programmed your computer chip? Or did you replace it, I forgot.
  • superjim2000superjim2000 Member Posts: 314
    Like none of that $75 an hour goes into the dealers pocket? The dealer has overhead to pay for.

    And with the training the mechanics need to keep up with changing technolgy, that costs also.

    It wasnt that long ago that vehicles had carbs, no ABS, no airbags. I dont miss that about my old truck.
  • amoraamora Member Posts: 204
    Dealer said there were no error codes, idle was
    ok, Wife thought it was ok too. They charged me
    $21.00 to rotate tires. Chip was re-programmed
    by Speed shop in Corona, Ca. Limiter is
    enabled again. They said they could not
    guarantee programming. I was smoked by an
    Expedition with triton V8. He passed me at well
    over a 100. I thought they were limited. Ford
    was loaded with camping gear, windows tinted
    heavily, could not tell if passengers were in
    suv. Am now humbled and using cruise control
    to maintain 65 mph on 78 mi commute.

    Will use my Chevy 3/4 ton truck to buy xmas tree and maybe purchase an F series w/5.4L for fun and excitement.

    I will research all available data. Saw an F150
    Harley Davidson black truck. Very beautiful
    and sleek looking truck. My compliments to Ford.
  • obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    you hate em. The Harley edition has special seats and badging...don't go no faster than a stock plane jane. Unless you really like the badging. Get a black Lariat....
  • mgdvhmanmgdvhman Member Posts: 4,157
    has 19" wheels too?

    For a ford...they do look good
    - Tim
  • mgdvhmanmgdvhman Member Posts: 4,157
    said i like the f150 in stepside format only...

    - Tim

    ...Now only if the front end was different!

    Ickk!
  • jcmdiejcmdie Member Posts: 594
    Think how much futher ford could be in sales if they just fixed the styling of the F150.
  • amoraamora Member Posts: 204
    Pop is retired body and fender repairman, I worked in his body shop in Hollywood during the summers. If you dislike looks of front end of F series like I do, a good body shop or if you are mechanically inclined will take off ugly front end and replace with LINCOLN NAVIGATOR front end. AND THEN YOU WILL HAVE A MACHO LOOKING, [non-permissible content removed] KICKING AND VERY
    ROBUST LOOKING FRONT END F series truck....

    Many people get scared or stunned when they see a
    fast approaching Lincoln Navigator in their rear
    view mirror driven especially by a women...
  • obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    and the availability up, they should have no problems...
  • amoraamora Member Posts: 204
    pick-up
  • obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    They have a name for that contraption Navigator/F150.....It's called a Blackwood...
  • amoraamora Member Posts: 204
    is maybe $45,000+ big ones and the blackwood has
    a dinky bed, big enough for a sack of manure...or
    1 bale of hay, at least according to the truck mag
    pics, if you create your own blackwood using my
    awesome idea you have a very nice bed....I ve
    seen a converted front end already on a F150, a
    much improved appearance from an otherwise very
    hideous looking truck...
  • timothyadavistimothyadavis Member Posts: 322
    in the eye of the beholder. To me the Navigators are an obvious attempt simply to change the appearance of the Expedition so that people won't ask too many questions about what the difference in money buys them. Like most spin-offs and sequels, it was poorly done. What had been a styling success was massed up to an ugly failure. To each his/her own....
  • amoraamora Member Posts: 204
    DOHC 300 HP Hot Rod Lincoln motor, Expedition and
    Excursion do not share same DOHC motor, at least
    that is what the published specs were at the time,
    may have changed.

    Timothy, I hear you about our eyes, just being
    opinionated is all, i will not argue the sales
    figures of F series pickups, I've owned two of
    them, '83 and '94 long beds with 5.0 engines and
    they were trouble free unlike my Chevies and GMC
    trucks. IMHO the best looking Ford pick-up was
    the 68 F100 RANGER like one used in "MR MAJYESTIC"
    with Charles Bronson as a melon grower who drove
    a '68 Ranger with inline six and auto tranny that got into a spectacular chase scene with Mafia
    type dudes in Chryslers..

    I am getting used to the bulbuous looking front
    grill of '97-'01 F150's. It does not seem to bother many people, because they keep buying them
    in crazy numbers.
  • mgdvhmanmgdvhman Member Posts: 4,157
    I don't think the people buying the Blackwood will be hauling a bale of hay or a sack of manure....much less be hauling anything!

    ..kinda like the yuppy Supercrew buyers...

    - Tim
  • amoraamora Member Posts: 204
    I was refering to the rich Cowboys in Texas who
    drove those early 80's CARIBOU's, you know the
    '76-'77 Cadillac's that were converted into EL
    Camino type vehicles for $17,000 by a firm in
    So. San Francisco. Those Caribou's would get
    20 mpg and do 0-60 in 7 secs due to 1800 lb
    weight reduction when fiberglas tub was inserted.
    They hauled hay and manure with them...not the
    Yuppie wanna be John Revolta Urban "KABOYS"...
    who bought pick-ups after the movie came out.
  • mgdvhmanmgdvhman Member Posts: 4,157
    - Tim
  • timothyadavistimothyadavis Member Posts: 322
    I ain't any kind of cowboy, though now a Texan (and proud of it). Of course, admittedly, I lean more toward the yuppy Dallas image than the more arguably stereotypically Texan cowtown image promoted by Fort Worth. This will help you understand, amora, why I was and am actually attracted to that car-like front end on the new F-150 design. Besides, it's close enough to the Expedition front end to fend off my wife's attempts to get us to spend even more on one of those! (At least I hope that argument will keep working!?!).... ;-)
  • mgdvhmanmgdvhman Member Posts: 4,157
    ..todays self- proclaimed cowboys...what a joke..probably the closest they have been to a cow is when they stopped to take a leak at McDonalds!

    - Tim
  • mgdvhmanmgdvhman Member Posts: 4,157
    ..a grown man walking around in a cowboy hat and cowboy boots.....it's not even Halloween either!

    - Tim
  • amoraamora Member Posts: 204
    Been driving dem dere chevy pick ups since high school. In 1962 (16) I drove a '52 chevy stepside with 235 six and 1 bbl carb w/granny gears while the rest of the boys n girls drove Vettes, 57' chevies, 406 ford galaxies, 409 chevies, vw's,
    mommy's wheels....the girls loved my dark blue
    metallic pick-up. Had to park at back of drive-in
    though.

    Still wear my Tony Lama dancing boots and my
    Pancho Villa sombrero. Real COWBOY here, also
    will teach ELECTRIC SLIDE to any yuppie who asks,
    oops better change the salsa CD now....
  • obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    The owners of Southfork drove MB. Only Ray, the adopted one that was never accepted by JR, drove a Ford truck....
  • ryanbabryanbab Member Posts: 7,240
    DUDE i need help with the electric slide. I messed it up back in october i was doing something very different. Ill need the dancing skillz once again this saturday :(

    Tim you wear a cowboy hat dont you? Wonder if any tundra owners weaar a cowboy hat would it even fit height wise?

    Ryan
  • mgdvhmanmgdvhman Member Posts: 4,157
    ...I don't think so ace.....no Cowboy hat can be found anywhere near my house....or truck..

    and for Boots.......Do Timberland count as cowboy boots?

    They got some cow poo in the soles I believe?

    - Tim
  • ryanbabryanbab Member Posts: 7,240
    No way catepillar are the only way to go with boots.
  • mgdvhmanmgdvhman Member Posts: 4,157
    had this pair for 12 years....they have seen miles and miles of terrain/ice/mud/poo/concrete...

    wouldn't buy any other brand...

    I had Timberland before they were "cool"...

    Yuppies gotta get into our lives one way or another eh?

    - Tim
  • ryanbabryanbab Member Posts: 7,240
    damn 12 yrs? Thats like my dads work boots they are like 15 yrs old. Still work as good as they did when he got em.

    Wow my steel toe cats last about 2 yrs then ineed a new pair.
  • mgdvhmanmgdvhman Member Posts: 4,157
    is due to them not being "pretty" any more.....then I needed a new pair 2 months after...

    after the first bird hunt..they were scratched beyond polishing....

    a way a boot should look though...

    "Oh no!....It got dirty!"

    - Tim
  • timothyadavistimothyadavis Member Posts: 322
    The F-150 is my first "Texas style" thing. Maybe I'll get fully Texanized eventually. As it is, I would gladly buy the cowboy boots (the ones I owned years ago were really comfortable) and even the hat, but my wife is appalled at the idea. It seems that the only idea they had of Texas in the Philippines (my wife's home) is from Westerns. I had a hard time convincing her that DFW was truly city before moving here (in fact it has more population -- over 4 million -- than the entire island of Mindanao, her home).

    Oby: I had a 1964 Galaxie convertible the summer of '72. In fact, my two roommates had a '64 4-door Galaxie sedan and a '64 Fairlane, respectively. I passed the Missouri safety inspection with the full set of wheels and tires from my roommate's Galaxie (mine were studded in the rear and bald in the front). What a car, though! Had that huge Thunderbird labeled engine, with the Fomoco four barrel carb bigger than most import engines all by itself. You could hear the wells draining when those back two barrels kicked in. Of course, on my Galaxie that was also the result of its almost total lack of remaining piston ring material. A quart of oil would foul the air for about 15 miles before completely its journey through my engine.

    I remember one time getting the bright idea to clean the spark plugs (I am definitely not a mechanic). I neglected to note the beginning point and rotational direction of the plug wires as labeled on the engine. My first guess was exactly opposite of the design and resulted in a truly impressive column of flames shooting up out of the carb when I tried turning it over. Fortunately, all parts survived and the car (barely) completed the summer. I may still have legal ownership of the hulk, if any remains. But that is another and longer story....
  • amoraamora Member Posts: 204
    Hey, I saw a beautiful pair of CATEPILLERS on sale
    at SEARS, asked wife to buy me a pair, I think they were $69 or $79 ???? Wife said Xmas is coming, shucks!!, want to start wearing them now!!
    may donate my Tony Lama's. Need International
    3/4 ton orange truck with bench seat and 4 speed to fully enjoy driving with real boots on...

    Get a Fedora to wear in Toyota trucks, a Stetson
    for F-series 1962-2001, a ten gallon for all Chevies, and a Straw hat for any Dodge truck....LOL!!!!
  • amoraamora Member Posts: 204
    My buddie's mom's '64 grand prix w/389 was smoked by '64 galaxie 390....by about 6 car lengths...

    My Mom's '62 Buick Electra w/401 never had a chance..
  • amoraamora Member Posts: 204
    Ford Galaxie with 3x2 carb set up was a neat car
    in 1962. Could burn lots of rubber in front of
    VP's office...
  • ratboy3ratboy3 Member Posts: 324
    may I wear at least a baseball hat in the Toyota?
  • ratboy3ratboy3 Member Posts: 324
    cool.. I'm short.. and I slouch anyway..
  • mgdvhmanmgdvhman Member Posts: 4,157
    head room......sure

    - Tim
  • amoraamora Member Posts: 204
    Turn cap around to avoid hitting top of steering
    wheel if too short or use telephone book to raise
    self. Careful visor doesn't kick cap off...
    better yet, a beret may be ok. My other Hat, a
    Smokey the Bear hat fits ok, don't wear it,
    Highway Patrol may get jealous, must put
    "I LOVE COPS" sticker on rear bumper
  • ryanbabryanbab Member Posts: 7,240
    I hit my head driving my moms blazer. I dont know why maybe im to big for it.

    Ratboy nice to hear from you again you have been very quiet.

    Ryan
  • obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    buy Sears best....Diehard. The Diehard boots are slightly better than the Diehard batteries, and if after two years, they fall apart similar to the batteries, just return them with a foul demeanor and Sears replaces absolutely free of charge. The foul demeanor practice at Sears will do wonders when you actually need it at your local truck dealer.

    timothyadavis

    I believe my '64 had a carter 4bbl that was impossible to tune/overhaul. It was the source of extreme difficulties in starting and constant flooding. Thank goodness for fuel injection....

    amora

    Your reference to Highway Patrol...don't think Broderick Crawford would care about Smokey the Bear cap as he would think you were a tree lover....
  • oldharryoldharry Member Posts: 413
    best service from Wolverine boots at about $200 a pair. I work on a concrete floor all the time, and my feet start hurting when it's time for new boots. I figure most boots cost about $5 a month. Wolverines last at least four years and that's $4 a month. My Smokey the Bear hat that I wear with my reserve deputy uniform fits just fine in my truck, but hits the side of the headliner over the door in the Lumina when I turn my head.

    Harry
  • bigsnagbigsnag Member Posts: 394
    Vasque is where it's at. I think they are some of the best boots made.
  • ryanbabryanbab Member Posts: 7,240
    I have wolverine with gore tex winter boots. The bottoms are totally worn out. They are smooth only had em a year i was kinda disappointed.

    Ryan

    They sure are warm though my feet have yet to get cold in em
  • amoraamora Member Posts: 204
    Obyone,

    I remember watching Broderick, he was very
    sarcastic when he stopped the bad boys. I forgot
    the type of cars...I think Broderick Crawford could kick Jack Webb's (Dragnet) [non-permissible content removed], who was also
    very sarcastic. Then again so was Hawaii 5 ooh's
    Steve McGarret (Jack Lord ???).

    Ahh I feel better, though i ws oldest one here...
  • obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    drove a black '55 Mercury. Not sure on Jack Webb as his shows were rather boring...Jack Lord drove the current year Mercury Marquis...and always in black.

    You know when you're getting old when you're talking about Lawrence Welk and Bobby Vinton and no one knows who you're talking about...LOL!!
  • ratboy3ratboy3 Member Posts: 324
    been too busy at work.. I just log in and read the posts.. trying to pick up some useful info.. none lately.. but still very much entertaining..
  • amoraamora Member Posts: 204
    don't forget Spade Cooley.....also in PSYCHO, Highway partrolman that woke Janet Leigh up drove
    a Ford Fairlane, looked like a '58-'59
  • amoraamora Member Posts: 204
    To cognizant host, please change title of this topic to:
    SILVERADO vs F150 vs RAM, the Tundra should not qualify, it should be
    a contender with the infamous T100 Toyota...these two intermediates
    should then maybe be grouped with the V8 Dakota RT....IMHO....
  • obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    It was ryan who created this topic. I guess he considers it a full sized truck. Rumor has it that he actually owns a Tundra... ;-)
  • amoraamora Member Posts: 204
    obyone, that image is surely a TUNDRA INCOGNITO then.... :0
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