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Jaeger
Heck you can lease a BMW 328xi all wheel drive for 369 month
with 3249 total cash. Old Mike
Nicknice
tony
Tony
What's the major pitfall of a down payment? If you total the car you lose your down payment, right? Well, that can be covered thru replacement cost insurance, which is usually fairly inexpensive for the first couple of years at least.
Edmunds TMV in my area is $27937 for that car with man. trans. $500 more with auto for $28437. Sounds like a good deal to me. Of course if you had to pay inflated doc fees or other dealer add ons I would feel different.
I'm sure that some of the pros will think you got hosed.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
its impossible to entirely get rid of it. a 270 HP front wheel drive car is going to have some torque steer. thats why sports cars like the Z use rear wheel drive. But, for 99% of driving conditions, you arn't going to notice it. Nobody has claimed its been eliminated, jut reduced to an almost unnoticable point, and less than other comparabe cars. But if you stop the gas from a stand still, you're probably going to feel a slight pull.
Well, they noticed it. And my impression from the article was that they weren't driving at the one percentile situation, nor were they doing anything to purposely induce torque steer, such as jumping on the gas from a standstill.
here is what 95% of the reviews say:
link title
thats exactly what they did, just read some reviews.
including the link above
I got a radical suggestion for you: test drive one and form your own opinion instead of parroting that of one car mag (while completely ignoring all the others).
Jaeger
You have to absolutely crush the accelerator to get any torqueing. mmkay, case solved.
-Moo
From caranddriver.com:
“Unruly no more. Famous for its torque-steering tantrums, this mid-sizer gets even more power and straightens up its act ..
The big news is not the numbers, however. The V-6 Altima has always been powerful, and it’s always been nasty for torque steer in the lower gears. Enough already, Nissan decided. The fix: Lower the powerplant 0.6 inch to level the half-shafts and equalize the joint angles side to side. Steering geometry is also significantly revised.
The 3.5 has torque enough to easily buzz the tires on launch. But there’s little tugging on the wheel now and little deviation in the path when the power goes down. Unruly no more, this front-driver.”
From motortrend.com:
“The engine is mounted 1.2 inches lower for a better center of gravity. Front halfshafts are located closer to the ground and at the same angle to virtually eliminate torque steer.”
From Edmunds.com:
“In our tests, a 3.5 SE with the CVT ran to 60 mph in just 6.6 seconds. The CVT provides quick, smooth acceleration and powerful passing ability without any of the "freewheeling" effect we've noticed on other, less-sophisticated CVTs. Despite all the power on tap, the Altima V6 exhibits no torque steer under hard acceleration. ”
From wheels.ca:
“A new front suspension results in half-shafts that run at more equal angles to the front wheels and more parallel to the ground, for a huge decrease in torque steer. We aren't supposed to tell you how much, but let's just say they aren't lying here. (We have agreed to withhold driving impressions for now.)”
From theautochannel.com:
“Part of the reason for the Altima’s great performance is a new platform that is more rigid than the previous one and uses an all-new front suspension. In addition, the engine is mounted lower and uses a six-point mounting system in place of the previous four-point system. Front half-shafts have equal angles and are more parallel to the ground, eliminating torque steer to a great extent.”
Cheers,
Jaeger
I'll leave the rhetorical considerations of who might be hallucinating to you.
And when can one start looking to pay invoice for this sob.
Invoice? I don't know. Wait for the market to get a bit glutted. What's wrong with a little profit for us?!
-Moo
nothing, so long as its just a litlle. :P
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
This is important because people generally keep the keys and cell phones together in the pocket.
Word on the street is the Navi will be in "very short supply" for a while on the coupe. Nissan can't keep up w/ the demand. Herd most dealers are charging 2K+ markup on all 3.5SE coupes. I would assume, if the Navi is truely in short supply the markup might even go higher.
We paid a tad over MSRP, put did get a free tint + got a little bump in the trade in value. I will take that as we got the car we wanted w/o the wait. I did a search in the local area and only found (1) other. :P
BASE $20,990
AKP $85
ALUMINUM KICK PLA
CAL $0
CALIFORNIA EMISSI
CNV $1,300
- Trunk Side Net
- Key Fob-Operated Front Windows Down
- w/Auto-Reverse Feature
- Front Passenger Power Window w/One-Touch Auto Up/Down
- Steering Wheel-Mounted Audio Controls
- Leather-Wrapped Steering Wheel
- Vanity Mirrors
- Dual Sun Visors w/Extenders and Illuminated
- Automatic On/Off Headlights
- 8-Way Power Driver's Seat
- 16" Alloy Wheels (replaces std. wheels)
- CONVENIENCE PACKAGE
FL2 $175
MATS WITHOUT HOOK
SRF $850
MOONROOF
WDF $100
MOONROOF WIND DEF
Freight Charge $625
Total $24,125
$24,125 for a 4 banger?! Plus you still have to pay TTL, add another 2-3k in Cali. I'm probably going to go w/ the 07 Accord lol, I can get a 6 banger for that price. Yeah I know it's new but that's a hefty price to pay. And when do you think the market for the coupes will get glutted? 6 months?
In another year they will be offering rebates. Look how hot the Mustang was when it first came out in 2005. Now you get 1K rebate and MSRP is just a starting point downward.
You can't blame the car salesman for getting everything they can right now, but is it worth it?
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
If you don't plan on trading it in, doesn't realy matter. Infact, it will help you with taxes and insurance, if your state has personal proerty taxes.
The new Altima delivers on style at a reasonable price. The Accord delivers an outdated model at a reasonable discount. Whaddya wanna go with?
You're going to spend your money on something..... what would you like to spend it on?
-Moo
I would try to balance the two, get the highest longterm value, and invest the difference for retirement...but that's just me (far from the norm).
"If you don't plan on trading it in, doesn't realy matter. Infact, it will help you with taxes and insurance, if your state has personal proerty taxes."
I would like to understand the math supporting this statement.
True. But do you think that the person who has to have the latest and greatest will keep his Altima when the next hot model rolls in?
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
Gee, I dunno. To me trying to charge $2 - 3K over MSRP seems more "whoring".
"The new Altima delivers on style at a reasonable price. The Accord delivers an outdated model at a reasonable discount."
Does that not smack of "whore-speak"? I mean, really. Accords have never been about swoopy, leading-edge styling. But other than that, I don't really see anything about the Accord that justifies the term "outdated", especially when compared to the Altima. Well, unless you consider having to turn a key rather than push a button "outdated". :confuse:
..ez..
The Hondas are 5 years old and outdated. They are a tough sell for them because they haven't been updated. The only Accords they are selling right now are being whored out for the lowest possible price.
I'm a little confused as to why you are in the Altima forum, but it appears you haven't done a lot of investigation into the Altima. CVT has been added, Intellikey (even on the entry level 2.5S), push start ignition, and most important of all? The simplest thing, an auxiliary input. There's more, but you can get the idea.
Just FYI, the term "whoring" in the car business refers to someone who is buying and selling very cheaply.
-Moo
because a lot of the honda owner (not all, you know who you are) feel a need to put down every make of automobile that isn't honda. Its almost like an insecurity. they do it here, the Fit forums, the civic forums, ect.
I find it fascinating myself
Let's just take this one point at a time, shall we?
First, anyone, not just Altima owners and esteemed Altima salesmen, can be in the Altima forum. Correct?
Secondly, there's really not much to investigate re the Altima. There is no ground-breaking, revolutionary technology here. It's essentially the same car that's been around for years, albeit with fresh styling, and now, a swoopy 2-door shell. A few flavour du jour features have been added, and a few horses boosted to Nissan's 100th iteration of the VQ.
CVT? The jury's still out on this "revolutionary" design. For me? Give me a properly designed, conventional 6-speed auto any day, sans manumatic, thank you.
Intellikey? Now that's good one! It's supposed to make life simpler for people who can't seen to operate a key fob (yesterday's flavour du jour). So here's the deal. Just keep the fob in your pocket. Oh, but wait. If you forget to change the battery, Nissan has install this hole on the other side of the dash for you to take the fob out and stick it in to start the car. And if all else fails, take the fob out, take it apart to retrieve the conventional key stored in there. Much simpler than a key and fob! Techno-geeks everywhere are doing handstands. (Well, actually they won't because then all the PDAs, smart phones and Intellikeys will fall out of their pockets!)
Even though I still see more Accords than Altimas, Accord sales have apparently dipped to the point where Honda salesmen are whoring themselves to move these ancient transportation devices. I do admit that no doubt the somewhat clumsy styling of the Accord have hurt sales numbers.
To me, the only "confusing" issue is whether it is ironic, or fitting, that the term "whoring" has apparently made it into the lexicon of car salesmanship. :confuse:
there's just an arrogance among some of the honda people. It gets to the point where you can't say anything nice about any car without someone coming along posting how much better the honda is in whatever regard. thats how 90% of the arguments/debates start around here.
As I said, personally, I find it fascinating.
At any rate, consumers like to have fresh and inspiring products. Take for instance the new iPhone. It's the same thing as you've had before, but with a few new features and a cool design. They are going to do very good with their sales. The Honda, though a good product, is finding it difficult to sell and to hold their profit margin because it isn't fresh. The consumer is bored with it.
If you don't like the new Altima coupe, then by all means, don't buy it. Find something else, but I've found that the majority of my costumers are pretty excited about it. Neat design with some fun features and some extra HP to boot.
Good luck on your next purchase!
-Moo
but thats besides the point. go to any forum here and you'll see the same. somebody posts something they like about their car, and a honda fan boy replies telling them how inferior that feature/characteristic is to whats the honda has/does. and its almost always the honda crowd. Not the mazda, ford, toyota, gm, nissan or others.
And to reiteriate myself, I KNOW ITS NOT EVERY HONDA OWNER.
Just got back from a trip down to San Diego in the new ride, and to answer your question, yes it's worth it, every penny. The longer we waited the trade value on on our 2003 Altima decreases as well. The 2003 had 85K miles and needed new tires ASAP. If we waited another year we are setting on car w/ well over 100K miles. Factor in the trade bump we got, cost of new tires, and free window tint; $500 over MSRP and being first on the block w/ loaded 3.5 Coupe > drving a 2003 Altima for another year.
The Navi is worth every penny, and if the rumor is true that a the Altima Coupe w/ Navi will be had to come by, makes it even more worth it to be "first on the block" w/ a loaded Coupe. I will never buy a new car w/o a Navi again. I don't think there will rebates on a loaded 3.5 in the near future, thus another reason to answer "yes" to your question.