Hi I just ordered a Black 2.5 coupe with Premium and Tech Package for 27,188. Does this seem like a reasonable price or did I get screwed? Also has anyone on this forum purchased the 2.5 coupe? What type of gas mileage are you getting and what are some of the pro's and cons of your purchase. Thanks
Well I have a 07 Nissan Versa, I bought mine July 06 I was the first one sold at the nissan dealer in Peoria AZ, so far I haven't had any problems with the car. In fact, the only real problems people have talked about is the TPMS which comes on all new Nissans. The difference between couple and sedan for the Altima is just body, the mechanicals are the same, so if the Sedan people haven't had problems, then I highly doubt the coupe people well have problems either..
hey old mike, why would ANYONE put money down on a lease ? People need to stop looking at monthly payments as the only reason why to lease a car. In a lease you should be using someone elses money to get the car, so for the $3900 down on the BMW isn't a good lease, for me, I only put down the fee's and that is it, over the course of the lease I'll save money then someone using that $3900...
I would wait that isn't a good lease, if they are saying 60% residual and y our payments are $400+ a month, somethings isn't right... ALso when I leased my Versa I was told Nissan doesn't charge any difference bewteen 12 and 15K miles a year, so go for the 15K...
I don't know if I would dismiss using a down payment just like that. I would compare total cash outlay after 36 months (or whatever is the term of the lease) with, and without the down payment. You have to remember, by reducing your monthly payments, you're not only reducing interest cost, but also taxes. Around here, taxes can be as high as 17%.
What's the major pitfall of a down payment? If you total the car you lose your down payment, right? Well, that can be covered thru replacement cost insurance, which is usually fairly inexpensive for the first couple of years at least.
It's funny when I leased my versa my payments came out to be with tax $265/m that was with $800 out of pocket. If I had put down $1800 my payment would hae been $225/m I saved money put only paying the fee's... Large downpayments are just another way for dealerships make money...
Edmunds TMV in my area is $27937 for that car with man. trans. $500 more with auto for $28437. Sounds like a good deal to me. Of course if you had to pay inflated doc fees or other dealer add ons I would feel different.
I'm sure that some of the pros will think you got hosed.
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Not according to current issue of "Automobile" magazine. In a short review of the Altima Coupe, they say it's still there.
its impossible to entirely get rid of it. a 270 HP front wheel drive car is going to have some torque steer. thats why sports cars like the Z use rear wheel drive. But, for 99% of driving conditions, you arn't going to notice it. Nobody has claimed its been eliminated, jut reduced to an almost unnoticable point, and less than other comparabe cars. But if you stop the gas from a stand still, you're probably going to feel a slight pull.
Well, they noticed it. And my impression from the article was that they weren't driving at the one percentile situation, nor were they doing anything to purposely induce torque steer, such as jumping on the gas from a standstill.
whatever, either believe that one article, or the dozens of other mags (not to mention owners here) who say it is almost entirely eliminated. infact, thats the fist time I've ever heard a complaint. You are talking about the 2007 model? the 2006 were notorious for torque steer. but the 2007 has recieved almost universal praise for what was done with the torque steer issue
Yeah, whatever. As long as you find it acceptable. You believe what you want to hear. I don't care one way or the other. I'm not in the market for one. I just pointed out what I read. Not trying to influence anyone one way or the other. But to go from hellacious torque steer to almost none would be quite an engineering marvel. :surprise: And it was not the 2006 model they tested 'cause there was no Altima coupe in 2006.
I got a radical suggestion for you: test drive one and form your own opinion instead of parroting that of one car mag (while completely ignoring all the others).
Different engine..... That's the engineering marvel right there. Torque steer on Altima and Maxima are almost entirely removed. I drive them every day, that's how I know that.
You have to absolutely crush the accelerator to get any torqueing. mmkay, case solved.
Hey jaeger1, as I said, I couldn't care less one way or the other. I'll not buying one, so I'm not going to to waste time test driving. I only repeated what I read, for food for thought. I guess the magazine editor was hallucinating, or lying then, who knows. :confuse: Or maybe he tested one that didn't get the "different engine". :sick:
Okay bodble2, since you want to keep repeating what one review has said on the subject, allow me to offer some others for your consideration. I don't have time to sort through the 40-odd e-reviews I have on file, but here is a sampling to help balance the mag-debate:
From caranddriver.com:
“Unruly no more. Famous for its torque-steering tantrums, this mid-sizer gets even more power and straightens up its act .. The big news is not the numbers, however. The V-6 Altima has always been powerful, and it’s always been nasty for torque steer in the lower gears. Enough already, Nissan decided. The fix: Lower the powerplant 0.6 inch to level the half-shafts and equalize the joint angles side to side. Steering geometry is also significantly revised. The 3.5 has torque enough to easily buzz the tires on launch. But there’s little tugging on the wheel now and little deviation in the path when the power goes down. Unruly no more, this front-driver.”
From motortrend.com:
“The engine is mounted 1.2 inches lower for a better center of gravity. Front halfshafts are located closer to the ground and at the same angle to virtually eliminate torque steer.”
From Edmunds.com:
“In our tests, a 3.5 SE with the CVT ran to 60 mph in just 6.6 seconds. The CVT provides quick, smooth acceleration and powerful passing ability without any of the "freewheeling" effect we've noticed on other, less-sophisticated CVTs. Despite all the power on tap, the Altima V6 exhibits no torque steer under hard acceleration. ”
From wheels.ca:
“A new front suspension results in half-shafts that run at more equal angles to the front wheels and more parallel to the ground, for a huge decrease in torque steer. We aren't supposed to tell you how much, but let's just say they aren't lying here. (We have agreed to withhold driving impressions for now.)”
From theautochannel.com:
“Part of the reason for the Altima’s great performance is a new platform that is more rigid than the previous one and uses an all-new front suspension. In addition, the engine is mounted lower and uses a six-point mounting system in place of the previous four-point system. Front half-shafts have equal angles and are more parallel to the ground, eliminating torque steer to a great extent.”
Cheers,
Jaeger
I'll leave the rhetorical considerations of who might be hallucinating to you.
The four cylinder only needs 87. They recommend high test on the V6 model, as they have on all our V6s for some time. It is not required though. The only vehicle on our lot that requires high test is the Z.
Invoice? I don't know. Wait for the market to get a bit glutted. What's wrong with a little profit for us?!
We ordered out coupe loaded in May and were told we would have it in June. Then we were told there was a delay with the orders and were told July. Now we are being told August or September. Anybody else having this problem.
I'm sure lots of people are. they only started rolling out of the assembly plants late may (25th I think), and are the only 2 door car (coupe) made by nissan. well, aside from the Z. If it weren't for the wife and kids, I'd have waited for one instead of getting the sedan.
I heard that the software in the keys get scrambled if it is kept near a GSM phone (and the phone rings). Has anybody heard about this or see this happen to anybody?
This is important because people generally keep the keys and cell phones together in the pocket.
It used to be. there was a problem (affecting a tiny percentage of owners) where and incoming cell phone signal could damage the Ikey, if they were touching. However, nissan found out about it and developed an new Ikey that does not have this problem. owners of the old Ikeys will get new ones in the fall.
I just got mine 3.5 SE w/ Navi-Dark Slate. Awesome car, numerous complimants everywere we go. :shades:
Word on the street is the Navi will be in "very short supply" for a while on the coupe. Nissan can't keep up w/ the demand. Herd most dealers are charging 2K+ markup on all 3.5SE coupes. I would assume, if the Navi is truely in short supply the markup might even go higher.
We paid a tad over MSRP, put did get a free tint + got a little bump in the trade in value. I will take that as we got the car we wanted w/o the wait. I did a search in the local area and only found (1) other. :P
BASE $20,990 AKP $85 ALUMINUM KICK PLA CAL $0 CALIFORNIA EMISSI CNV $1,300 - Trunk Side Net - Key Fob-Operated Front Windows Down - w/Auto-Reverse Feature - Front Passenger Power Window w/One-Touch Auto Up/Down - Steering Wheel-Mounted Audio Controls - Leather-Wrapped Steering Wheel - Vanity Mirrors - Dual Sun Visors w/Extenders and Illuminated - Automatic On/Off Headlights - 8-Way Power Driver's Seat - 16" Alloy Wheels (replaces std. wheels) - CONVENIENCE PACKAGE
FL2 $175 MATS WITHOUT HOOK SRF $850 MOONROOF WDF $100 MOONROOF WIND DEF Freight Charge $625 Total $24,125
$24,125 for a 4 banger?! Plus you still have to pay TTL, add another 2-3k in Cali. I'm probably going to go w/ the 07 Accord lol, I can get a 6 banger for that price. Yeah I know it's new but that's a hefty price to pay. And when do you think the market for the coupes will get glutted? 6 months?
I think it's funny that people get so excited by the latest car that they are willing to pay over MSRP just so they can be the first one in their neighborhood to have one. Don't they know what a hit they are going to take on deprecation?
In another year they will be offering rebates. Look how hot the Mustang was when it first came out in 2005. Now you get 1K rebate and MSRP is just a starting point downward.
You can't blame the car salesman for getting everything they can right now, but is it worth it?
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New model. If you don't like the new model, then go buy the Accord that they are whoring out. You can ALWAYS find a cheaper vehicle. It kinda boils down to what you like more, style or pricing.
The new Altima delivers on style at a reasonable price. The Accord delivers an outdated model at a reasonable discount. Whaddya wanna go with?
You're going to spend your money on something..... what would you like to spend it on?
"You're going to spend your money on something..... what would you like to spend it on?"
I would try to balance the two, get the highest longterm value, and invest the difference for retirement...but that's just me (far from the norm).
"If you don't plan on trading it in, doesn't realy matter. Infact, it will help you with taxes and insurance, if your state has personal proerty taxes."
I would like to understand the math supporting this statement.
Gee, I dunno. To me trying to charge $2 - 3K over MSRP seems more "whoring".
"The new Altima delivers on style at a reasonable price. The Accord delivers an outdated model at a reasonable discount."
Does that not smack of "whore-speak"? I mean, really. Accords have never been about swoopy, leading-edge styling. But other than that, I don't really see anything about the Accord that justifies the term "outdated", especially when compared to the Altima. Well, unless you consider having to turn a key rather than push a button "outdated". :confuse:
Don't take my word for it then. I'm not just making these things up. I play pool with all the guys from the 2nd biggest Honda dealership in the state. I'm getting this information from them.
The Hondas are 5 years old and outdated. They are a tough sell for them because they haven't been updated. The only Accords they are selling right now are being whored out for the lowest possible price.
I'm a little confused as to why you are in the Altima forum, but it appears you haven't done a lot of investigation into the Altima. CVT has been added, Intellikey (even on the entry level 2.5S), push start ignition, and most important of all? The simplest thing, an auxiliary input. There's more, but you can get the idea.
Just FYI, the term "whoring" in the car business refers to someone who is buying and selling very cheaply.
I'm a little confused as to why you are in the Altima forum
because a lot of the honda owner (not all, you know who you are) feel a need to put down every make of automobile that isn't honda. Its almost like an insecurity. they do it here, the Fit forums, the civic forums, ect.
"I'm a little confused as to why you are in the Altima forum, but it appears you haven't done a lot of investigation into the Altima. CVT has been added, Intellikey (even on the entry level 2.5S), push start ignition,..."
Let's just take this one point at a time, shall we?
First, anyone, not just Altima owners and esteemed Altima salesmen, can be in the Altima forum. Correct?
Secondly, there's really not much to investigate re the Altima. There is no ground-breaking, revolutionary technology here. It's essentially the same car that's been around for years, albeit with fresh styling, and now, a swoopy 2-door shell. A few flavour du jour features have been added, and a few horses boosted to Nissan's 100th iteration of the VQ.
CVT? The jury's still out on this "revolutionary" design. For me? Give me a properly designed, conventional 6-speed auto any day, sans manumatic, thank you.
Intellikey? Now that's good one! It's supposed to make life simpler for people who can't seen to operate a key fob (yesterday's flavour du jour). So here's the deal. Just keep the fob in your pocket. Oh, but wait. If you forget to change the battery, Nissan has install this hole on the other side of the dash for you to take the fob out and stick it in to start the car. And if all else fails, take the fob out, take it apart to retrieve the conventional key stored in there. Much simpler than a key and fob! Techno-geeks everywhere are doing handstands. (Well, actually they won't because then all the PDAs, smart phones and Intellikeys will fall out of their pockets!)
Even though I still see more Accords than Altimas, Accord sales have apparently dipped to the point where Honda salesmen are whoring themselves to move these ancient transportation devices. I do admit that no doubt the somewhat clumsy styling of the Accord have hurt sales numbers.
To me, the only "confusing" issue is whether it is ironic, or fitting, that the term "whoring" has apparently made it into the lexicon of car salesmanship. :confuse:
Well, I own neither an Accord, nor the Alima. I'm actually a fan of BMW design and engineering. So how would I be slotted here? Insecure, or envy, or something else? I was just the impression that all Townhall forums are open forums. :confuse:
If the shoe doesn't fit, don't wear it. as I said, they know who they are.
there's just an arrogance among some of the honda people. It gets to the point where you can't say anything nice about any car without someone coming along posting how much better the honda is in whatever regard. thats how 90% of the arguments/debates start around here.
You're more than welcome here, I didn't mean to insinuate that this was a closed forum. I'm just confused behind the reasoning of people being here if they don't like the product. I guess it's merely to bash it.
At any rate, consumers like to have fresh and inspiring products. Take for instance the new iPhone. It's the same thing as you've had before, but with a few new features and a cool design. They are going to do very good with their sales. The Honda, though a good product, is finding it difficult to sell and to hold their profit margin because it isn't fresh. The consumer is bored with it.
If you don't like the new Altima coupe, then by all means, don't buy it. Find something else, but I've found that the majority of my costumers are pretty excited about it. Neat design with some fun features and some extra HP to boot.
I think what you interpret as arrogance may be plain old pride, for lack of a better term, in whatever brand someone owns. People tend to defend their purchase decisions. It's human nature. I think you will find this prevalent with owners of every brand, not just "Honda people".
I don't think I've said I don't like the Altima coupe. I don't dislike it. I'm indifferent, I guess you could say, because I'm not in the market for that type of car at the moment. My interest in the discussion is piqued when I read about $2 - 3K "market adjustment" markups, and some insinuation that the markup is justified because the car is "hot". That, to me, is fascination because IMO the Altima coupe is an example of the ultimate poseur model, and I don't mean that in a negative way. It is the coupe version of a mainstream family sedan. It "borrows" heavily style-wise from the G35 coupe to create the illusion of "sport". Yet it is FWD, and all things, utilizes a CVT tranny. There are mulitple oxymorons at play on this model. Yet the Accord, which even in its final year of the model cycle, is still, IMO, the mechanical equal of the Altima. Yet it is perceived in some circles, as "struggling". When the new Accord comes out in '08, anyone venture to guess which would sell more, Accord or Altima?
No its more than pride. its like they're on a quest to prove that honda is the best vehicle in that class, period. even if they don't own one. just read through the boards. We're told they're as cheap as any car, handle better than any car, look better both inside and out, than any car, get better gas milage than any car, more reliable than any car, better transmission and engine than any car, built better than any other car, the good reviews are singing the gospel, and the ones where the honda didn't finish first, well, somebody bought them off. and of course, the dealer will all but replace the car for you (for no charge) if you ever have a problem. The only thing I can't figure out is why they only have 8-10 percent of the car market.
but thats besides the point. go to any forum here and you'll see the same. somebody posts something they like about their car, and a honda fan boy replies telling them how inferior that feature/characteristic is to whats the honda has/does. and its almost always the honda crowd. Not the mazda, ford, toyota, gm, nissan or others.
And to reiteriate myself, I KNOW ITS NOT EVERY HONDA OWNER.
Well, you gotta admit though, Honda is arguably the one of the top automobile companies in the world. Their models are consistently used as benchmarks for other brands.
"You can't blame the car salesman for getting everything they can right now, but is it worth it?"
Just got back from a trip down to San Diego in the new ride, and to answer your question, yes it's worth it, every penny. The longer we waited the trade value on on our 2003 Altima decreases as well. The 2003 had 85K miles and needed new tires ASAP. If we waited another year we are setting on car w/ well over 100K miles. Factor in the trade bump we got, cost of new tires, and free window tint; $500 over MSRP and being first on the block w/ loaded 3.5 Coupe > drving a 2003 Altima for another year.
The Navi is worth every penny, and if the rumor is true that a the Altima Coupe w/ Navi will be had to come by, makes it even more worth it to be "first on the block" w/ a loaded Coupe. I will never buy a new car w/o a Navi again. I don't think there will rebates on a loaded 3.5 in the near future, thus another reason to answer "yes" to your question.
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Jaeger
Heck you can lease a BMW 328xi all wheel drive for 369 month
with 3249 total cash. Old Mike
Nicknice
tony
Tony
What's the major pitfall of a down payment? If you total the car you lose your down payment, right? Well, that can be covered thru replacement cost insurance, which is usually fairly inexpensive for the first couple of years at least.
Edmunds TMV in my area is $27937 for that car with man. trans. $500 more with auto for $28437. Sounds like a good deal to me. Of course if you had to pay inflated doc fees or other dealer add ons I would feel different.
I'm sure that some of the pros will think you got hosed.
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its impossible to entirely get rid of it. a 270 HP front wheel drive car is going to have some torque steer. thats why sports cars like the Z use rear wheel drive. But, for 99% of driving conditions, you arn't going to notice it. Nobody has claimed its been eliminated, jut reduced to an almost unnoticable point, and less than other comparabe cars. But if you stop the gas from a stand still, you're probably going to feel a slight pull.
Well, they noticed it. And my impression from the article was that they weren't driving at the one percentile situation, nor were they doing anything to purposely induce torque steer, such as jumping on the gas from a standstill.
here is what 95% of the reviews say:
link title
thats exactly what they did, just read some reviews.
including the link above
I got a radical suggestion for you: test drive one and form your own opinion instead of parroting that of one car mag (while completely ignoring all the others).
Jaeger
You have to absolutely crush the accelerator to get any torqueing. mmkay, case solved.
-Moo
From caranddriver.com:
“Unruly no more. Famous for its torque-steering tantrums, this mid-sizer gets even more power and straightens up its act ..
The big news is not the numbers, however. The V-6 Altima has always been powerful, and it’s always been nasty for torque steer in the lower gears. Enough already, Nissan decided. The fix: Lower the powerplant 0.6 inch to level the half-shafts and equalize the joint angles side to side. Steering geometry is also significantly revised.
The 3.5 has torque enough to easily buzz the tires on launch. But there’s little tugging on the wheel now and little deviation in the path when the power goes down. Unruly no more, this front-driver.”
From motortrend.com:
“The engine is mounted 1.2 inches lower for a better center of gravity. Front halfshafts are located closer to the ground and at the same angle to virtually eliminate torque steer.”
From Edmunds.com:
“In our tests, a 3.5 SE with the CVT ran to 60 mph in just 6.6 seconds. The CVT provides quick, smooth acceleration and powerful passing ability without any of the "freewheeling" effect we've noticed on other, less-sophisticated CVTs. Despite all the power on tap, the Altima V6 exhibits no torque steer under hard acceleration. ”
From wheels.ca:
“A new front suspension results in half-shafts that run at more equal angles to the front wheels and more parallel to the ground, for a huge decrease in torque steer. We aren't supposed to tell you how much, but let's just say they aren't lying here. (We have agreed to withhold driving impressions for now.)”
From theautochannel.com:
“Part of the reason for the Altima’s great performance is a new platform that is more rigid than the previous one and uses an all-new front suspension. In addition, the engine is mounted lower and uses a six-point mounting system in place of the previous four-point system. Front half-shafts have equal angles and are more parallel to the ground, eliminating torque steer to a great extent.”
Cheers,
Jaeger
I'll leave the rhetorical considerations of who might be hallucinating to you.
And when can one start looking to pay invoice for this sob.
Invoice? I don't know. Wait for the market to get a bit glutted. What's wrong with a little profit for us?!
-Moo
nothing, so long as its just a litlle. :P
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This is important because people generally keep the keys and cell phones together in the pocket.
Word on the street is the Navi will be in "very short supply" for a while on the coupe. Nissan can't keep up w/ the demand. Herd most dealers are charging 2K+ markup on all 3.5SE coupes. I would assume, if the Navi is truely in short supply the markup might even go higher.
We paid a tad over MSRP, put did get a free tint + got a little bump in the trade in value. I will take that as we got the car we wanted w/o the wait. I did a search in the local area and only found (1) other. :P
BASE $20,990
AKP $85
ALUMINUM KICK PLA
CAL $0
CALIFORNIA EMISSI
CNV $1,300
- Trunk Side Net
- Key Fob-Operated Front Windows Down
- w/Auto-Reverse Feature
- Front Passenger Power Window w/One-Touch Auto Up/Down
- Steering Wheel-Mounted Audio Controls
- Leather-Wrapped Steering Wheel
- Vanity Mirrors
- Dual Sun Visors w/Extenders and Illuminated
- Automatic On/Off Headlights
- 8-Way Power Driver's Seat
- 16" Alloy Wheels (replaces std. wheels)
- CONVENIENCE PACKAGE
FL2 $175
MATS WITHOUT HOOK
SRF $850
MOONROOF
WDF $100
MOONROOF WIND DEF
Freight Charge $625
Total $24,125
$24,125 for a 4 banger?! Plus you still have to pay TTL, add another 2-3k in Cali. I'm probably going to go w/ the 07 Accord lol, I can get a 6 banger for that price. Yeah I know it's new but that's a hefty price to pay. And when do you think the market for the coupes will get glutted? 6 months?
In another year they will be offering rebates. Look how hot the Mustang was when it first came out in 2005. Now you get 1K rebate and MSRP is just a starting point downward.
You can't blame the car salesman for getting everything they can right now, but is it worth it?
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
If you don't plan on trading it in, doesn't realy matter. Infact, it will help you with taxes and insurance, if your state has personal proerty taxes.
The new Altima delivers on style at a reasonable price. The Accord delivers an outdated model at a reasonable discount. Whaddya wanna go with?
You're going to spend your money on something..... what would you like to spend it on?
-Moo
I would try to balance the two, get the highest longterm value, and invest the difference for retirement...but that's just me (far from the norm).
"If you don't plan on trading it in, doesn't realy matter. Infact, it will help you with taxes and insurance, if your state has personal proerty taxes."
I would like to understand the math supporting this statement.
True. But do you think that the person who has to have the latest and greatest will keep his Altima when the next hot model rolls in?
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
Gee, I dunno. To me trying to charge $2 - 3K over MSRP seems more "whoring".
"The new Altima delivers on style at a reasonable price. The Accord delivers an outdated model at a reasonable discount."
Does that not smack of "whore-speak"? I mean, really. Accords have never been about swoopy, leading-edge styling. But other than that, I don't really see anything about the Accord that justifies the term "outdated", especially when compared to the Altima. Well, unless you consider having to turn a key rather than push a button "outdated". :confuse:
..ez..
The Hondas are 5 years old and outdated. They are a tough sell for them because they haven't been updated. The only Accords they are selling right now are being whored out for the lowest possible price.
I'm a little confused as to why you are in the Altima forum, but it appears you haven't done a lot of investigation into the Altima. CVT has been added, Intellikey (even on the entry level 2.5S), push start ignition, and most important of all? The simplest thing, an auxiliary input. There's more, but you can get the idea.
Just FYI, the term "whoring" in the car business refers to someone who is buying and selling very cheaply.
-Moo
because a lot of the honda owner (not all, you know who you are) feel a need to put down every make of automobile that isn't honda. Its almost like an insecurity. they do it here, the Fit forums, the civic forums, ect.
I find it fascinating myself
Let's just take this one point at a time, shall we?
First, anyone, not just Altima owners and esteemed Altima salesmen, can be in the Altima forum. Correct?
Secondly, there's really not much to investigate re the Altima. There is no ground-breaking, revolutionary technology here. It's essentially the same car that's been around for years, albeit with fresh styling, and now, a swoopy 2-door shell. A few flavour du jour features have been added, and a few horses boosted to Nissan's 100th iteration of the VQ.
CVT? The jury's still out on this "revolutionary" design. For me? Give me a properly designed, conventional 6-speed auto any day, sans manumatic, thank you.
Intellikey? Now that's good one! It's supposed to make life simpler for people who can't seen to operate a key fob (yesterday's flavour du jour). So here's the deal. Just keep the fob in your pocket. Oh, but wait. If you forget to change the battery, Nissan has install this hole on the other side of the dash for you to take the fob out and stick it in to start the car. And if all else fails, take the fob out, take it apart to retrieve the conventional key stored in there. Much simpler than a key and fob! Techno-geeks everywhere are doing handstands. (Well, actually they won't because then all the PDAs, smart phones and Intellikeys will fall out of their pockets!)
Even though I still see more Accords than Altimas, Accord sales have apparently dipped to the point where Honda salesmen are whoring themselves to move these ancient transportation devices. I do admit that no doubt the somewhat clumsy styling of the Accord have hurt sales numbers.
To me, the only "confusing" issue is whether it is ironic, or fitting, that the term "whoring" has apparently made it into the lexicon of car salesmanship. :confuse:
there's just an arrogance among some of the honda people. It gets to the point where you can't say anything nice about any car without someone coming along posting how much better the honda is in whatever regard. thats how 90% of the arguments/debates start around here.
As I said, personally, I find it fascinating.
At any rate, consumers like to have fresh and inspiring products. Take for instance the new iPhone. It's the same thing as you've had before, but with a few new features and a cool design. They are going to do very good with their sales. The Honda, though a good product, is finding it difficult to sell and to hold their profit margin because it isn't fresh. The consumer is bored with it.
If you don't like the new Altima coupe, then by all means, don't buy it. Find something else, but I've found that the majority of my costumers are pretty excited about it. Neat design with some fun features and some extra HP to boot.
Good luck on your next purchase!
-Moo
but thats besides the point. go to any forum here and you'll see the same. somebody posts something they like about their car, and a honda fan boy replies telling them how inferior that feature/characteristic is to whats the honda has/does. and its almost always the honda crowd. Not the mazda, ford, toyota, gm, nissan or others.
And to reiteriate myself, I KNOW ITS NOT EVERY HONDA OWNER.
Just got back from a trip down to San Diego in the new ride, and to answer your question, yes it's worth it, every penny. The longer we waited the trade value on on our 2003 Altima decreases as well. The 2003 had 85K miles and needed new tires ASAP. If we waited another year we are setting on car w/ well over 100K miles. Factor in the trade bump we got, cost of new tires, and free window tint; $500 over MSRP and being first on the block w/ loaded 3.5 Coupe > drving a 2003 Altima for another year.
The Navi is worth every penny, and if the rumor is true that a the Altima Coupe w/ Navi will be had to come by, makes it even more worth it to be "first on the block" w/ a loaded Coupe. I will never buy a new car w/o a Navi again. I don't think there will rebates on a loaded 3.5 in the near future, thus another reason to answer "yes" to your question.