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    kgbradleykgbradley Member Posts: 4
    Does anyone here know (especially some of the dealers posting) how long it takes to receive an Acadia after ordering? The dealer told me it would take anywhere from 6 to 10 weeks but that seems excessive. I've read in other places that a domestic vehicle order should take 5 to 6 weeks tops. What's the real story? I know the dealer is trying to cover his bases in case of delays, but can't they get a little more specific? I ordered a Liquid Silver Acadia SLT-1 about 2 weeks ago now.
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    steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    "17 four-door SUV’s earned a five star crash test rating for all seating positions: Acura MDX; Acura RDX; Audi Q7; Dodge Nitro; Ford Freestyle; GMC Acadia; Honda CR-V; Honda Element; Hyundai Santa Fe; Infiniti FX35/45; Jeep Grand Cherokee; Kia Sorento; Kia Sportage; Mazda CX-7; Saturn Outlook; Subaru Outback; and the Toyota Highlander."

    NHTSA Releases Model Year 2007 New Crash and Rollover Safety Ratings
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    carcom2carcom2 Member Posts: 212
    I went to see a CX 9. Although, it has an excellent fit and finish & very nice looking cockpit, because I'm looking to replace my minivan, would not even consider the CX 9. The legroom in middle is tight and forget about the 3rd row - good for kids, or small people - for shorter rides. I felt claustrophobic in this CUV. Very little cargo room behind third row.

    Saturn Outlook - nice looking, although I like the CX 9 interior more, has a much roomier feeling inside. Less confined than the Mazda. Lots of room behind 3rd row. The heights of the 2nd & 3rd row seats were no problem. Access to 3rd row OK from passenger side split bench. Access not as good from driver side because this wider part of the split bench seems to only slide instead of the passenger side sliding and folding forward.

    Overall though, I can't say I was interested in a test drive. These cars are off my list.

    Still waiting to see the Veracruz and Enclave.
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    aviboy97aviboy97 Member Posts: 3,159
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    You know, I was kind worried about the CX-9 being a CX-7 with a 3rd row. I am really happy it is not. Don't get me wrong, I really like the CX-7, but, it is obvious Mazda went all out on this vehicle.

    I have driven the MKX many times, and have sold a few to date, and I also like that vehicle as well, but, the CX-9 just drives better, and has a much "richer" feel to it. Is "richer" even a word?? hmmm....
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    arumagearumage Member Posts: 922
    There is only 2 cu. ft. more storage in the Acadia (CX-9: 17 cu. ft. Acadia: 19 cu. ft.). I thought the 2nd row had plenty of legroom in the CX-9. I was disappointed with the 3rd row though. The Veracruz actually has 1 less cu. ft. than the CX-9 behind the 3rd row. It is 10" shorter than the Acadia. It does have better headroom than the CX-9 though. The Enclave is a virtual clone of the Outlook and Acadia as far as interior functionality goes. Access to the 3rd row is easier in the GM models with the buckets in the 2nd row. Overall, with your requirements, I think you still might be better served by a minivan.
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    rockfish1rockfish1 Member Posts: 113
    I am also a minivan owner for the past 15 years and am ready to move on but have been spoiled by the hauling abilities of my Grand Caravan.
    I went to the Auto show in Baltimore and tried the Acadia, CX-9 and Nitro.

    The CX-9 is a good looking vehicle with good capacity but does does not have headroom. Also the doors are huge! This could be interesting in parking lots with tight spaces.

    The Nitro to me has a hard look which is what I like to move to from my recent life with minivans. The looks, capacity, price and stopping distance is great but I would want to wait till the full time 4WD is available.

    The GMC Acadia was a surprise. I thought it was going to just be a not distinct large box but it was a bold smooth truck with great hauling room. I only will need 4 seats so the 3rd row will be down. It also surprised me with the MPG.

    I not yet sure which will win for me but I am glad there are good choices.
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    arumagearumage Member Posts: 922
    The Nitro has gotten some fairly poor reviews. Most have said it's handling is terrible. It's a little heavy for it's size too.
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    albookalbook Member Posts: 1,282
    HOw much room does Cruz have behind row 3? Is it really more than 15cu ft? THere was NONE behind SanteFE. THat third row was a waste of space. I'll see it this weekend.What I want to see is new Pilot.THat better be huge improvement, or HOnda's SCREWED. THough we all know it will live up to expectations. But how will it fare to new competition? OH, and the guy looking at Acadi and nItro-YOu know these two vehichles have nothing to do with each other, and no likewise, don't you?
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    arumagearumage Member Posts: 922
    I actually thought the 3rd row in the Santa Fe was more comfortable than the CX-9. I barely had enough headroom and my legs just barely touched the back of the seat, but I fit (I'm 6'3") Headroom and legroom in the 3rd row are more, and the 2nd row slides. There is 10 cu. ft. behind the Santa Fe's 3rd row. I'm not sure how much is behind the Veracruz. It's more than the Santa Fe, but definitely less than the CX-9 and Acadia. The Santa Fe only has enough for one row of groceries. This looks like it will fit 2 rows.

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    stevedebistevedebi Member Posts: 4,098
    "There is 10 cu. ft. behind the Santa Fe's 3rd row. I'm not sure how much is behind the Veracruz."

    Wow, that's low. The Freestyle has 22 Cu ft back behind the third row.
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    arumagearumage Member Posts: 922
    You have to remember that the Santa Fe is about 15" shorter in overall length than the Freestyle. Even the Veracruz is 8" shorter. Also, according to Edmunds, the Freestyle has 17.6 cu. ft. behind the 3rd row.
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    sailor55sailor55 Member Posts: 3
    Recent reviews suggest the mpg on the Hyundai Sante Fe are substantially less than suggested. Is there any risk that the Veracruz will also have poor gas mileage?

    When is the Veracruz supposed to arrive in the showrooms?
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    arumagearumage Member Posts: 922
    If you want to look at mpg comparisons for the Veracruz, check out the Azera. The engine is the same. Even horsepower is about the same. It has a 5-speed auto, and the Veracruz has a 6-speed though. The Veracruz uses an Aisin transmission similar to the one Ford (Fusion, Five Hundred) and Mazda (Mazda6, CX-9) have used. The shift points seem to be pretty poorly designed in the Santa Fe. I'm hoping they will revise them next year.

    I have no definite time of arrival. I've heard March and April.
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    albookalbook Member Posts: 1,282
    That pic makes room look pretty good! But I'll see what the deal is for real soon. As long is seat comfort is better than row 3 of outlander (though i's not possible room could be any worse. THat is so weird considering the Montero had a very nice third row, and LOT'S of cargo space. TOok one on a raoad trip, and considered buying. really liked it. And seat folds INTO the floor- nifty feature!
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    rockfish1rockfish1 Member Posts: 113
    I have read some supportive reviews on the Nitro. Such as
    Overall, we found the Nitro to be a great alternative for those who want a big, bold look - Hummer H3 buyers and such - but who don’t need to live with an overly thirsty, uncomfortable nightmare of an offroad vehicle. The Nitro is quiet, comfortable, and refined on the highway, with a tough-enough basic chassis proven along many trails in Liberty form, but with suspension tuning and interior concessions to support the modern-day traveler, who doesn’t need to climb the larger rocks or cross the deeper streams.
    This is the type of vehicle I am looking for since I am not an offroad type but am looking for the hauling capacity, decent gas mileage, respectable starting and stopping and looks that are not the curvy cookie cutter style that a lot of CUV/SUVs are developing. Besides I believe I can get the Nitro the way I want it around $25,000. The Acadia would be around $30,000-32,000.
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    kgbradleykgbradley Member Posts: 4
    Does anyone here know (especially some of the dealers posting) how long it takes to receive an Acadia after ordering? The dealer told me it would take anywhere from 6 to 10 weeks but that seems excessive. I've read in other places that a domestic vehicle order should take 5 to 6 weeks tops. What's the real story? I know the dealer is trying to cover his bases in case of delays, but can't they get a little more specific? I ordered a Liquid Silver Acadia SLT-1 about 2 weeks ago now.
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    arumagearumage Member Posts: 922
    The Nitro only pulled a .66g on the skidpad. Even the much bigger Freestyle pulled a .72g. Gas mileage for the Nitro is about the is about the same as it's bigger 3 row cousins too. The pricepoint is good, but I think if your in the market for that kind of vehicle, it might be good to wait and see how the JC49 turns out.
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    rockfish1rockfish1 Member Posts: 113
    Waiting for a new Chrysler Vehicle could be worst than waiting for a draw to an inside straight. Since Daimler has opened the door to a sale of Chrysler who knows what is in the future for the new models.

    See this article
    link title

    At this point the Acadia and Nitro are still on top. I have to decide if the $5000-7000 more for the GMC is worth it.
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    arumagearumage Member Posts: 922
    Chrysler won't drop a vehicle that far along in production. That vehicle was set in motion long ago. It shares it's platform with the Sebring/Avenger. The vehicle doesn't have many, if any, components shared with it's more expensive German cousins.
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    rockfish1rockfish1 Member Posts: 113
    I spotted some pictures of the JC49 on another site. They said the name will be Dodge Crew and start production in December 2007. It is to do battle with the Ford Edge, Toyota Highlander so it may have the size I am looking for. But my current choices are still the GMC Acadia and Dodge Nitro.
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    arumagearumage Member Posts: 922
    That's cool. Just pointing out some interesting alternatives. :)
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    carcom2carcom2 Member Posts: 212
    In one post (310) you say "The Veracruz actually has 1 less cu. ft. than the CX-9 behind the 3rd row."

    Then in another post (314) you say " There is 10 cu. ft. behind the Santa Fe's 3rd row. I'm not sure how much is behind the Veracruz".

    So which is it?

    Seems like the picture of the Veracruz looks like it has much more room behind third row than I remember the CX 9 having.

    You might be right about the minivan - I'm looking forward to seeing the 2008 Chrysler T&C - seems as if it has almost all the bells & whistles and I'm having good luck w/ 3 Chrysler vehicles. Never owned a GM product.
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    carcom2carcom2 Member Posts: 212
    I think I posted this thought before:

    Unfortunately, you can not totally rely on specs, although it's information that is useful. I do not believe ea. manuf. calculates the specs the same way (remember they have a marketing dept. that can manipulate the #'s to their advantage).

    Do they always give the specs with all the seats forward, backward, middle position, etc.? No. It seems to vary.

    So the overall best way to know which will be most suitable to you is to go into the vehicle and make the adjustments as if you were driving the car - adjust the drivers seat position, then go to the 2nd row - adjust that to where it seems comfortable & then go to 3rd row. Or you can have passengers adjust 2nd and 3rd row. And then use your better judgement to eyeball if it's obvious or measure the cargo areas. None of us want to have complaining passengers, right?

    Also consider if you can comfortably put your toes under the seat in front of you. On some vehicles, it's hard to do. On others, it can be comfortable.
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    arumagearumage Member Posts: 922
    There was a news article from Hyundainews.com that said it had only 6.5 cu. ft. Speculation from those who have actually seen it at the Detroit Auto show thought it should be 16.5 cu. ft. The second number looks more correct to me. I'm not 100% certain with that number.

    I've had good luck with GM and bad luck with GM. So far I've had good luck with my Intrepid although the Infinity stereo has eaten it's fair share of factory speakers so far. I've replace 5 out of 9.

    I'm interested in seeing what kind of mpg the new T&C can get. The new Pacifica only gets 16/24 FWD with the 4.0L & 6-speed. My wife is anti-minivan right now. I could care less as long as the new vehicle is safe, semi-attractive, has a good 3rd row, and can tow 3500 lbs.
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    arumagearumage Member Posts: 922
    That's definitely true. I can fit (headroom wise) in the 2007 Santa Fe. It says it has 34.8" of headroom. The CX-9 says there is 35.4" of headroom in the 3rd row, but I can't fit back there.
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    stevedebistevedebi Member Posts: 4,098
    "Also, according to Edmunds, the Freestyle has 17.6 cu. ft. behind the 3rd row."

    My mistake, the official number is 20.7, including the deep seat well (the area where the seat goes when folded); this is from the Ford site. I don't know where Edmunds got their number; Ford lists 15.8 cu ft if you don't include the seat well. But realistically, I don't see how you can't include the deep area where the seat stows when folded. Other manufacturers include that area.

    What, people are supposed to NOT use that deep area? I wonder how one would accomplish that... float stuff over thin air?:confuse:

    BTW, I would recommend the FS for anyone wanting comfortable 3rd row seats. They are great.
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    arumagearumage Member Posts: 922
    There is under floor storage in each of these vehicles, but most have a flat cover over the back. The seats just fold forward. Luggage and such goes over that cover. Small things about the size of two liter bottles and such can be stowed in that spot. That is why, in some cases, it is not included. I know the CX-9 has atleast a couple cubic feet under the floor. The jack and several other things reside in that area too. No other manufacturers really specify whether that area is included in their figures. I couldn't really say either way.
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    rockfish1rockfish1 Member Posts: 113
    Thanks for the alternative.
    I have not looked at the possible 2008 vehicles yet. I do not want to purchase any new model car for at least 6 months and preferably up to one year after introduction. There still seems to be a break in period to find the initial problems. So the newer model would mean waiting till the summer of 2008 and I not sure my current minivan will last.
    I do like the expected starting price range of the Crew at $20,000 for this mid sized CUV which could beat the 25000 for a Nitro and 32000 for the full sized Acadia.
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    albookalbook Member Posts: 1,282
    This is the type of vehicle I am looking for since I am not an offroad type but am looking for the hauling capacity, decent gas mileage, respectable starting and stopping and looks that are not the curvy cookie cutter style that a lot of CUV/SUVs are developing.
    Don't take this the wrong way, but youre probably on the wrong forum. This forum is about CUV's, not real SUV's. And most people on this forum(I'm NOT one of them) can't stand real SUV's. Good luck though :) !
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    albookalbook Member Posts: 1,282
    My mistake, the official number is 20.7
    I don't know if that's true, but if it is, then good for Ford. I don't like how the seat folds, thouggh. i hate that cheap cover floor. It's just that- cheap. At the auto show, the Lady working the Ford area broke it. I was going to chalk it up to little experience, than she told me SHE OWNED ONE!!! Well, I can see why she went for the Explorer! I don't hate all SUV's with fold in the floor feature-MMontero did it nicely!. But it handled no tthat great.
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    rockfish1rockfish1 Member Posts: 113
    Info and discussions on vehicles like the Acadia and similar crossover SUV's is why I am on this forum for Compare the CX-9, Veracruz, Pilot, Acadia, Outlook, Enclave and Freestyle .

    But thanks for the input anyway.
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    stevedebistevedebi Member Posts: 4,098
    "There is under floor storage in each of these vehicles, but most have a flat cover over the back. The seats just fold forward. Luggage and such goes over that cover. Small things about the size of two liter bottles and such can be stowed in that spot. That is why, in some cases, it is not included. I know the CX-9 has at least a couple cubic feet under the floor. The jack and several other things reside in that area too. No other manufacturers really specify whether that area is included in their figures. I couldn't really say either way."

    The FS spare is stowed underneath the seat well, behind the 3rd seat. There is a false floor on top of that, which forms the floor of the well. So the area of which we are speaking is an open well that goes to the ceiling of the car.

    Really, Ford did a remarkable job in desiging the interior space of the FS...
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    coldcrankercoldcranker Member Posts: 877
    rockfish1, Understood. Ford said it best when it said the Freestyle is an "All-Road" vehicle, not an off-road one. Thats what most people want, a mix of car-like attributes along with a bit of ground clearance and roominess for rough roads. The Freestyle is the best of the group overall. Trust me there, I've driven one for 2 years and love it for its combination of economy, roominess, comfort, and a dose of ruggedness from the Volvo XC90-derived chassis.
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    rockfish1rockfish1 Member Posts: 113
    When I saw the specs on the Freestyle, I was impressed by the 47.9 cubic feet behind the second row and 85 CF total storage. The MPG of 20 and 27 was also impressive. When I went to look at it I found the down size was a very bland wagon-like look to the vehicle and a possibility of a 3 years only cycle for the car. I am looking for more of a hard look to my next vehicle since I am ending a 15 year stint with minivans. I would like best of the minivan -great inside capacity for carrying stuff and reasonable MPG for a larger vehicle. That's why I have been impressed with the Acadia (large) and Nitro (medium) so far.
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    joe97joe97 Member Posts: 2,248
    According to Ford, the cargo volume is listed at 15.2 cu. ft.

    http://media.ford.com/products/presskit_display.cfm?vehicle_id=1463&press_sectio- n_id=398&make_id=92

    And why isn't the 3rd row dimensions on there? Did I miss it somehow?
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    ppalonskyppalonsky Member Posts: 34
    I have an Acadia with 2nd row split bench. Both sides of the split bench move and fold forward. It is easier to operate the single seat side of the bench, but my 8 year old can work the double side with a little effort. We replaced a minivan where the kids had to climb over the 2nd row seat to get into the 3rd row. No more with the Acadia.
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    ppalonskyppalonsky Member Posts: 34
    One of the nice things about the Acadia 3rd row is that it is a 60 / 40 split bench. So if you need more cargo room you can fold the single seat side down and still fit two kids on the back bench or fold down the double side with one kid in the back. From the pictures I have seen of the CX9 and Veracruz, it appears they have a 50 / 50 split bench which is not as versatile.
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    carcom2carcom2 Member Posts: 212
    I wonder if that feature of the double size/side seat folding forward is just on the Acadia but not the Outlook. The sales guy could not get it to fold. If it can fold, it doesn't fold anywhere as easy as the single side. The double bench part did not automatically separate from the back of the seat. Whereas the single side does.

    Good luck with your new Acadia and transition from minivan to CUV.
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    arumagearumage Member Posts: 922
    Actually the Veracruz and CX-9 are a 50/50 split because they are only intended to sit 2 people. The Acadia, although the seat is about the same width, is intended to seat 3 people. This is why they call it a 60/40 split. That 3rd row being able to sit 3 people is a stretch. My wife and I both sat back there. Nobody, even a kid, was going to be able to sit between us. Maybe 3 really small children will fit across the back.
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    ppalonskyppalonsky Member Posts: 34
    Actually 3 good sized preteens to early teens fit in the 3rd row of the Acadia well. We bought the Acadia as a minivan replacement. With 4 kids I really wanted seating for 8 (bench option for 2nd row) so we can transport my family along with the grandparents all in one car. The Acadia set up was the most versatile for us. Having a 3rd row accomadate 3 people also makes the 7 passenger version (captain chairs in 2nd row) more versatile. If you are out and about with 6 in the car and do some heavy shopping at Costco you can still put the small side of the back row down for extra cargo space and stick 2 kids in the back row for the ride home. Overall I think the Acadia (and GM twins) have the most functional interior.
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    arumagearumage Member Posts: 922
    I'm glad it worked out for you. The 3rd row didn't really work out for 3 people for us. I thought th Acadia seats were extremely close to the floor, making them uncomfortable for anyone of above average height, and 2nd row headroom was mediocre at best (atleast with the moonroof option), although 3rd row headroom was definitely better than the CX-9. The whole thing felt massive to me. I really didn't like that feeling. Despite only being a little bit shorter, the CX-9 felt much more nimble and didn't give the feeling that you were riding in some abnormally large vehicle. I had the chance to get in a R-class Mercedes, and even though it is actually longer than the Acadia, I didn't get the feeling that it was that massive either. It had the best room out of any of them, but it's also the most expensive.

    The Acadia compromises weight and driving dynamics for sheer size. The CX-9 compromises interior room for sporty looks and excellent handling. I'm hoping the Veracruz will do neither. I'd love an R320CDI, but at around $53k for what we want, it's not in the budget.
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    loachloach Member Posts: 246
    My wife and I sat with my 8 year old son in the 3rd row of the Acadia at the local auto show and fit just fine. I am 6'0" and 180 lbs. No, you're not going to put 3 of me back there comfortably for a long distance, but me with 2 smaller people seemed to work just fine.
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    loachloach Member Posts: 246
    The Acadia doesn't feel massive to me at all, but then I'm replacing a Grand Caravan that's virtually the same size. To each his own I guess: the Acadia feels massive to you, while the CX-9 feels dinky to me. Thank goodness we finally have more CUV alternatives to choose from now!
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    arumagearumage Member Posts: 922
    The CX-9 shape seems to compromise comfort in several ways which is a definite downer. It really is much more attractive IMHO than the Acadia though. It has the same sleek shape as my Dodge Intrepid. I'm looking forward to actually driving the Hyundai Veracruz because it looks to have more headroom in all rows than the CX-9, but it still has the less squarish shape I like. I know how the dimensions are measured because of my experience in the Santa Fe.
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    loachloach Member Posts: 246
    I bet you're going to like the Veracruz interior better than the CX-9 for the reasons you mentioned. It looks like the legroom is going to be similar to the CX-9, but I also wonder if you're going to wish the Veracruz had more cargo space behind the 3rd row. That 9" shorter length is going to have to show up somewhere.

    As for looks, we'll have to agree to disagree on the Acadia vs. CX-9. I liked the look of them equally until I saw them in person at the auto show. Then my wife and I both liked the Acadia (and Outlook) much better. The enormous rear doors on the CX-9 kind of turned us off.
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    readerreaderreaderreader Member Posts: 253
    It all depends on how wide you are. Look at the video on this page:
    http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070215/VIDEO0302/70215002/1015- - /BUSINESS01

    Scroll down and look at the video at that link. You will see him fold the second-row bench with one hand (the wide side), slide it backwards and forwards and also see three women fit in the third row.

    Here is a GIF of the captain's chairs in action:

    Image Hosted by ImageShack.us
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    arumagearumage Member Posts: 922
    From side by side pictures of the rear with the 3rd row up, there looks like there is maybe a 6" difference between the two, not the 11" difference between vehicle lengths. The CX-9 is definitely the looker of the group to me. The Outlook almost falls into the category of "ugly" for me. The Acadia is very well done, but it just felt like a beast. The second row wasn't all the comfortable for me. I guess it was the feeling of having the roof 1/2" from my head and the low seating position. The Veracruz is my only hope for a more perfect CUV. The CX-9 is not my first choice.
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    arumagearumage Member Posts: 922
    When you look at the man sitting back there, he takes up atleast half of the seat space. I didn't say you couldn't fit 3 people back there. I just said it wouldn't be comfortable, especially for 3 average sized adults, making the captains chair model only comfortable for 6 adults. The Veracruz also has a one touch system. It's not as compact as the Acadia's, but it doesn't cause the seat to have a flimsy bottom either.
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    arumagearumage Member Posts: 922
    My wife got a car from a Hyundai dealer we had talked to. They said they would have their first Veracuz very late this month or early next month. I guess we'll see if they actually get one by then.
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    stevedebistevedebi Member Posts: 4,098
    "According to Ford, the cargo volume is listed at 15.2 cu. ft. "

    Ok, dueling URLs. I got my data from the specifications on the FS listed on the Ford Vehicles website. It appears that some nameless press kit writer goofed up.
    FS Spec page from Fordvehicles.com
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