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Toyota 4Runner



  • intmed99intmed99 Posts: 485
    There has been much discussion (on other forums) in the past about Toyota's VSC (stability control) being off in favor of ABS when slipping while going into a corner and putting on your brakes.

    My view:

    VSC (stability control) usually detects a slip BEFORE the driver is aware of it. Therefore, it will intervene "subconciously". It will make small corrections even before the driver is aware that the car has drifted.

    With regard to braking and slipping in a corner at the same time, i do NOT see the point of having skid control on WHILE braking.

    For example, if you're exiting the highway at high speed onto a ramp, and your car slides out, the MAIN concern at this time to slow the car down. At this point, you have one or more wheel withOUT traction. Let's just say that the driver is aware of slipping and put on the brakes. At this moment, you want the car to slow down or stop. So, what matters MOST at this time is applying brake to the wheel with MOST traction. So, what does that mean??

    Well, the 4Runner (and other SUVs) have ELECTRONIC BRAKEFORCE DISTRIBUTION (aka EBD). In the situation above, this system/computer will send brake power to the wheel with MOST traction to slow your car down. ABS will then pump these wheels.

    If VSC was still engaging, then it will REALLY confused the is sending brake power to the wheel(s) with most traction (via EBD)...YET, those wheel(s) with traction may NOT be the wheels needed for skid control!! So, what is more important?? Two scenerios:

    1. Trying to slow down while cornering with braking power going to the wheel to control the skid (stability control ON while braking), which may NOT be the wheel with traction. Therefore, it maybe useless! Your car is NOT slowing down because braking power may be diverted to wheels withOUT traction in an attempt to control the skid; or

    2. Trying to slow down while cornering with braking power going to the wheel with MOST traction via EBD and ABS. You car will then slow/stop.

    Well, i prefer scenerio #2.

    What do you guys think? Does the above make sense??
  • pat84pat84 Posts: 817
    I hate to beg the question, but why would you exit at such a high rate of speed to make your 4rnr skid.? Actually, there are other options. Down shifting to 3rd may use the
    engine as a brake and let the VSC keep on working and slow you down without using the brake. The time to down shift is as you exit the highway before getting onto the ramp.
  • amara2amara2 Posts: 3

    I am the proud owner of a 2003 sport V8 model. The rig is great...on the road.
    However as soon as I tried to bring it to the trail, I run into issues. Any help will be appreciated.

    I wanted to change the tires (265/65/17)for a mud/snow combination and found out that there is no other tire that fit this rig on the planet!! Not even snow tires And in Vermont/Maine trails lately the stock tires do not cut it.
    Does anyone know Toyota/Dunlop plans for upgrades?

    I also wanted to add some extra lights and maybe someone knows what is the cranking power of the battery and strength of the alternator and tell me (could not find it on Toyota web site) if I can fit two set of lights on it without any additional battery (and voiding the warranty).


  • intmed99intmed99 Posts: 485
    A few options IF you go to 265/70/17 size. I know BFGoodrich AT KO tires come in that size...they are pretty good in snow.
  • chidofuchidofu Posts: 21
    I had the same experience regarding the 6 CD changer. My salesman told me that the Nav system came with the premium sound system and a 6 disk changer. I didn't even question this. Of course it doesn't.

    I am having similar problems finding anyone to install a CD changer in my vehicle. I don't know why it would be a problem or why it didn't come with the vehicle. If anyone finds a changer than can be installed or can shed some light on why it didn't have one in the first place I would like to hear it.

  • chortonchorton Posts: 149
    vsc is a very complicated system it works with more than just the brakes it also can controll throttle, it senses g-force yaw rate the direction of travel and the angle of steering. edb is designed more for straight skids rather than turns. as for the nav system with the 6-disc. your salesperson must have been misinformed or just lying. there isn't even a factor option to get the two of them together, the nav system is pretty complex, and I'm not sure what type of changer you are looking at buy I would guess they have a problem tapping into the system. with the nav system there probably isnt a port for any "input" accesories
  • brestlebrestle Posts: 22
    Anyone have feedback on the MPG on a V6 4WD? I love the V8 engine, but the vast majority of my driving (95%) will be on roads where I definitely don't need 4WD (the other 5% I definitely need the 4WD). So I really like the option on the V6 to switch into 2WD (whereas the V8 is full-time 4WD).

    While Toyota claims a V6 will get 2MPG more than the V8, I have to imagine it would be more. That, along with more expensive insurance for the V8 (and the fact I don't tow anything), make me lean toward the V6.

    A dealer is trying to tell me that they will be much closer in MPG since the V8 has more torque and you won't have to push the engine as much on the low end. Truth or is he trying to get me to buy one of the V8s on the lot?


  • jere39jere39 Posts: 20
    Curiously, I found the cargo cover to be a significant pain when using the cargo area with one or both seats folded. I removed mine from my 97 sr5 about the 4th day I owned it. I cannot confirm it would fit a 98, but I own an almost unused one I've had in the box my hood deflector shield came in, in my basement since August 1997.
  • jf01jf01 Posts: 88
    So the 4Runner wasn't LEV before 02? I thought I remember reading somewhere that all Toyota SUVs were at least LEV a few years ago.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,726
    due to the relative designs of the two, you will have to rev the V-6 more to get the power out of it, and that is the expectation if you get that engine. In that case, it is true the mileage figures might not be far different.

    OTOH, if you are someone who is not in the habit of burying the pedal, you will probably make better mileage than the EPA sticker.

    amara - you could also go to 275/60/17's, which are stock size for a number of vehicles including the new LC...there will be a wider variety of tires available consequently.

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • aggiedogaggiedog Posts: 238
    110? You must live in Montana.
  • chortonchorton Posts: 149
    The V6 has more HP than the V8 245/235 at similar RPM 5200/4800 however the peak torque is opposite the V6 has 283 lb.-ft.@ 3400 RPM while the V8 has 320lb.-ft. @ 3400 rpm. Both have sufficient power for most buyers. The gas mileage estimates can vary a lot,depends on how you drive. In easy driving situations the V6 should get better mileage(keep in mind the displacement difference is only .7-liters) The larger concern to me would be which one COSTS more, They will both make you happy. Sounds to me like I would go with the V6 in your situation though. No need for the torque of the V8.
  • mariner7mariner7 Posts: 509
    Toy is just releasing LC in Europe, there's a review of it in Feb CAR. It looks a dead ringer for the GX470, which of course is 4R. So my questions, is that really true? If yes, what happens to the N/A LC? Will it be discontinued?

    BTW, that LC has a diesel engine, with puny hp by N/A standards!
  • jbwhjbwh Posts: 8
    The rest of the world (outside of North America) has had two sizes of Land Cruiser since the early eighties (or longer). The smaller one goes by the name "Land Cruiser Prado". Our new 4Runner is built on the same proven-in chassis as the Prado, but with a new body, engine & interior. The new Lexus GX470 *is* the recently updated Prado - with different badges & more leather. We in North America get more powerful engine options (and no diesel), but it is the same rig. The big Land Cruiser is due for a re-design, but it's probably not going away anytime soon.
  • ozzmanozzman Posts: 3
    I just had my first oil change on my 2003 Limited. The owners guide recommends to use 5W-30. When I brought it to the Toyota dealer, they claimed 10W-30 was recommended for vehicles in warmer climates. Get the strong feeling he told me this since he didn't carry 5W-30 oil. Should I be concerned about this ? Also owners manual states first oil change at 7,500 miles but I changed at 3K.
  • chidofuchidofu Posts: 21
    Check out this link:

    According to the information there you can get the Toyota Nav system on the matrix along with a 6 Disk Changer. Why would it be possible to connect a changer to the Nav system on the Matrix and not on the 4runner? Would they purchase/manufacture different Nav systems for different cars?

    Also, I have read that you can play DVDs on the Nav screens on the LX470 and Landcruiser. Why not on the 4runner? It can't be cost effective to install different systems on all of these cars.

  • sovangsovang Posts: 56
    Does anyone else experience long cranking before the truck will start in cold weather? I was also wondering what would happen if the truck doesn't long does the auto-crank hold the key in the start position?

  • It hasn't gone much below 20 or so here since I got my '03 but I've had no problems so far. The auto-crank doesn't hold the key in position at all. You just twist and release ... the truck's electronics do all the rest. It is actually pretty neat, one of those "gadget" things to impress your friends.
  • chortonchorton Posts: 149
    about the auto start is that it won't let you try to activate the starter if the engine is already running. that noise is always terrible
  • sovangsovang Posts: 56
    I assumed it will time out if the truck doesn't start. I guess it could just keep cranking until you run out of juice too.

  • tfuzztfuzz Posts: 93
    The cranking time limit is 30 seconds, but mine has always started within a couple of seconds, even in the cold.
  • jbhncjbhnc Posts: 16
    Saw one other post on a sunroof rattle. Has anyone had this problem and repaired it? What was it.

    My sunroof started rattling when driving on gravel and it has gotten much worse in the last week, making noise on fairly smooth surface roads.

    Thanks - J
  • tfuzztfuzz Posts: 93
    The cranking time limit is 30 seconds, but mine has always started within a couple of seconds, even in the cold.
  • peter78peter78 Posts: 284
    Yes, the oil grade should be 5W-30, period. Car companies like lighter oils mainly to save fuel. Some Honda and Ford products now recommend 5W-20.

    I also think we would be amazed what dealers and oil change places really put in our car. On my older high mileage Honda and Acura I use 5W-30 in the winter and 10W-30 in the summer. I put 5W-30 Mobil One in the 4Runner.

    I think it can be argued that 10W-30 is a better oil. More stable and less prone to break down. On the other hand car companies are wanting to put oil with the viscosity of water in your car. In the grand scheme of things, 10W-30 should be fine.

    When to change oil, some say it is old school to go 3,000 miles while others go much further. Modern engines do a lot more than ever before. I bet the Toyota's that had sludge in their 3.0 V6 might wish they went with the 3,000 mile oil change. I am from the old school and like 3,000 mile oil change. I know a lot of auto experts are now saying 5,000 miles. That may be a good compromise. I would NEVER exceed your recommended 7,500. I know one person who posted on the sludge board here at Edmunds that had a Lexus RX 300 and he used Amsoil and went 25,000 miles before he changed oil. Amsoil has a 25,000 mile warranty. Well the engine sludged up and guess what neither Amsoil or Lexus would fix his car.

  • mrwhipplemrwhipple Posts: 378
    With the amount of torque the new V6 puts out, I can't imagine it would have to work too hard. 283 lbs is quite a lot.
  • Check out the new review from Edmunds on the 4Runner. They mention the lack of a 3rd row seat, then say it would probably be VERY short on legroom anyways. In the summary pro's/con's they list the lack of a 3rd row seat as a con. How do you win on that logic??
  • pat84pat84 Posts: 817
    Not to mention the total lack of cargo room and suspect safety of a 3rd row seat in the 4rnr. I guess they have to have something negative to say or they haven't done their job.
  • Cool! That's the exact same model I got, except mine is "Galactic Gray" and I didn't pay almost $200 for floormats. If I had it to do over, I would have gone for the Titanium color ... the darker gray shows road dirt more than I had hoped.

    Zero to sixty in 7.6? Can't wait to go play with my Expedition- and Suburban-piloting friends.

    Stay safe!
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