Sylvia was kind enough to pass along my request that the file size limit be increased from 100 KB to 200 KB. The folks in charge of the project agreed, so we are now under the new limit. The reason I asked for this change was so that my pics will show up larger when the link is clicked on. The loading time for a 200 KB file vs. that for a 100 KB file should be hardly noticeable, even on dial up. It's a new window anyway, so you can go on about your business while the pic is loading.
Let's see how it's gonna work. This is a pic taken of Thelma Jane in Buttpucker Gulch.
I am on dial up, and that pic that I just posted took about 40 seconds to fully load. To me, the wait is worth it in order to have the pic larger when the link is clicked on.
It's a separate window, so you can go on and read posts or whatever while the pic is loading in the new window.
Now, I will do it again in a smaller file size that will open to only 440 x 330 pixels. I'll see how long it takes that to load. Take a look at the difference in the size of the pic and decide if you think the extra time to load is worth it, OK?
So, is the larger size pic worth waiting the extra 23 seconds? Oh, I connect at 45.3 KB/sec usually, but I got 44.0 when I connected tonight. I realize that some folks are on a slower connection than that.
I guess it depends on how much detail you need to show. The smaller one is less frustrating for me to load, but if it was something I was particularly interested in I'd rather have the more detailed larger one. The best part is that I can choose when I want to look at it (or not!).
That's why I would like to see the larger file size limit be kept. Heck, if you don't want to wait for the pic, don't click on the link. Or, if you click on it and then decide it is taking too long, just kill the new window.
What is your connection speed, and how long did it take to load each of those pics? Could you try them each and time them, if you haven't already done so?
You certainly got a super deal on that puppy. Best of luck with it.
Ya gotta post a pic somehow. For now, you will have to have the pic hosted somewhere on the Net, but next month, hopefully, we will all have the new photo upload feature that is currently being tested.
I just purchased a 2004 Jeep Wrangler Sport with th Dual Top Group. They charged me $1435.00 for the Dual Top Group. Then later on the sticker they charged me $795.00 for the hard top. The Jeep district rep. said that was correct for 2004. I can not find any info that supports his claim. Everything I can find says that the hard top and soft top are included in the Dual Top group. Has anyone else been charged for the hard top twice? Thanks
Congratulations on that new Jeep, and welcome to the board!
It's confusing, but I think you were charged correctly for the dual tops. The total between the $795 for the hard top and the $1435 for the dual top group is about what you would pay for the factory hard top alone.
I got the hard top only when I bought my 2001 Sport, and I was charged something like that $795. They are giving you credit for the soft top that comes standard when they only charge you $795 for the hard top. Now, if you want BOTH tops, you have to pay the full price for the hard top, which would be about the $2230 total of the $795 plus the $1435.
So, they make it sound like you are getting charged twice for the hard top, but you really aren't.
Thanks for your input. This new feature needs to be something that we can all live with. We have the whole spectrum of connection speeds, I'm sure. Some of us have cable modem, and pics load in a flash, and some of us have dial-ups that are as slow as molasses.
Edmunds is doing a great job in trying to make this new feature something that enhances the members' experience without being a burden to anyone. I am honored to be one of those who gets to upload pics during the test phase, but we can ALL participate by expressing our opinions.
One nice thing about L.A. Thanks to the rain and the wind this week, we're currently having one of the crispest, clearest, beach-community sunsets I can recall. All the better viewing it from my Wrangler.
So, while Daimler Chrysler's option packaging is a pain, the smiles come standard.
-Mike
>I still cannot believe how...well, stupid... the options are for Jeeps.
Are those tires on your unlimited ,Bridgstone Dueler A/T Revos? I installed 30x9.50x15 Revos on my 04 TJ. They are very agressive looking, but are super quite on the highway, and handles great too. Due to that I now drive my TJ a lot, forget about it being a weekend car!
Congrats to all those with new Wranglers - hurry up and post some photos!
Steve - I'll volunteer to test drive those vehicles, especially the Gladiator, on my commute. They really should be well tested before they are offered for sale and my commute would be a great torture test! It took us 3 hours to get home tonight.
I'm going to try a bigger photo and a larger file (but still smaller than Tom's last one) - I've been trying to keep mine really small. I've also been saving the original (large) file as compressed as much as I dare (like level 4 on a scale that goes to 12 - I use photoshop). This isn't a recent one (taken in January) but it shows the difference in size between a Sport and an Unlimited - well, sort of... It seemed to be appropriate to post on the day after a pretty good rain event - reminds me why I love winter!
Edited to add - I just tried to click on the link and it didn't load properly. Maybe I compressed it too much and my brouser is confused? Or is my internet connection acting up? I have high speed wireless internet service. Let me know if it doesn't work others.
It's working for me, Mtngal. You may want to play with Save As > Web page or whatever the command is.
Thanks to the rain
I camped over in Yosemite last week Embeeduece, and the waterfalls were full and roaring.
took us 3 hours to get home
The park was full Mtngal; I've been hinting to my Cali-born wife that we should try a move to beautiful California sometime, but after the Sacramento/Yosemite crowds, I'm not so hot on the idea now. Btw, the road to Carson City just south of Tahoe still has about as much snow in your pic. :surprise: And I got to add the Old Priest Grade to my list of road trip conquests.
Tom - Thanks for supplying such great photos of Thelma Jane. I've truly enjoyed seeing her adventures and your clearly excellent driving skills...wow! Thanks to all the others posting photos, too. All the Jeeps look like works of art in their "natural habitats" of rough terrain and they look beautiful in urban settings, too. Everyone, please keep posting photos...my Wrangler fever only gets stronger with each photo I see. I must admit, I've shown Thelma Jane in all her glory to my wife and any passing coworkers that see her on my screen at work...especially seeing you waving from her while being assisted from the mud.
I'm awaiting my unlimited in Stone White so seeing your beauty in the same color makes me feel closer to getting my own Jeep (hopefully only a couple more weeks!).
Regarding photo sizes...I really like the larger image but I do have broadband so easy for me to say (3 seconds vs. 2 seconds). I remember my dial-up days but even then, I'd prefer the wait for bigger, better detail. Does Edmunds offer a way to include two links, one for small image and one for large image? Probably requires the uploader to send both sizes unless Edmunds has some resolution re-rendering capability as images get uploaded.
"What is your connection speed, and how long did it take to load each of those pics? Could you try them each and time them, if you haven't already done so?"
Between 9.6 and 14.4! Over a minute for the small one, and the download timed out on the big one. Oh, and no cable, no DSL, no clear sky view, and can't afford a T1.
They are Dueler A/T revos, except I bought 31x10.5x15. They look better than the GSAs and definitely quieter and get better traction. The only problem I had was the bigger tire made it difficult to close the tailgate and the rubber bumpers really pressed into the sidewall of the tire. I added a couple spacers between the tire mount and wheel - problem solved.
Today my jeep is exactly 1 week old - I picked it up last Saturday in the rain. I got to try out the 4WD on the slick streets to keep it from fishtailing everytime I turned a corner or a light turned green. Monday I got new tires and for some reason getting rid of the GSAs made me feel so much better (also added a locking lug nut for the spare). I took the top down wednesday and have never had so much fun on the way to and from work. By the way, the jeep wave is still alive in Houston.
I expected alot more noise with the top down. The other night my wife and I could actually carry on a conversation without yelling while going 60 on the freeway.
The wrangler is an absolute blast to drive, especially with the top down. I have zero complaints, but then again I have only driven 220 miles. I wouldnt call it a complaint since I knew what I was getting into, but when I filled up this morning I calculated I got 13.8mpg. Hopefully that will get better...
I really like when people post pics, so this new feature that some of you are testing should make this board even better. Hopefully it will encourage more people to post pictures.
I would have to vote for the larger pics as well. I too am on cable, but going to back to my dailup days (28.8kbs) I would have rather had the high quality pics.
Quick question for all. I have an 03 Freedom with both tops. I just took off the hard top and put the soft top on for the summer. Recently downsized to a condo (with no garage) and may sell the hard top and run with the soft top year round because I have lost my storage area. Anyone recently sell a hard top? Its an 03, black with tinted windows and in excellent shape. I am attempting to determine my asking price and would welcome any suggestions. Looking to ask a fair price. Any suggestions? Other folks in Connecticut seem to run the soft top year round so it should work out and it will be one less thing to have to find storage for. Go Easy, John
Between 9.6 and 14.4! Over a minute for the small one, and the download timed out on the big one. Oh, and no cable, no DSL, no clear sky view, and can't afford a T1.
Hmm. Maybe we could print up hard copies of pur pictures and all invest in carrier pigeons. That would be awesome!
I have Jeep Fever and am almost ready to jump in, but I heard that the 2006 Wrangler will have the 3.7 engine rather than the 4.0. Anyone have any information on this? The gas mileage is supposed to be better as well as more horse power. Pat D
"What is your connection speed, and how long did it take to load each of those pics? Could you try them each and time them, if you haven't already done so?"
Between 9.6 and 14.4! Over a minute for the small one, and the download timed out on the big one. Oh, and no cable, no DSL, no clear sky view, and can't afford a T1.
Mac! That is AWFUL! Geez! Where in the world do you live? Siberia???
Sounds like a bunch of you are excited about the photo upload feature. Hey, I'm pumped over it too.
I like the way it is set up so that people who don't want to wait for a pic to load are not forced to wait. I don't blame anyone with a terrible connection speed like Mac has for not wanting to have to wait forever for stuff to load. Geez, Mac, I'll bet just about anywhere you go on the Net, you get time-outs before a screen completely loads.
Keep the comments coming. I'm sure our hosts are taking note of all of your opinions.
I've got DSL at home,, and T1 at work at my parents now for mothers day,, ( she has cable) loading time has never been an issue with pictures for me. the pictures Tom has posted load as quick as I click the label.
I like the one that tom posted with the telephone, that has a thumbnail in the message,
went to pittsfield IL today, helped with a little trail cleanup / chainsawing and pruning. we got to do a little wheeling along the way from downed tree to downed tree.
the jeep club is hosting a big event in a couple weeks, they still have a few openings if anyone is interested, info available at
You must own or otherwise have the right to upload your photos or images. Especially if you are linking to them on another site. Otherwise we'll either hear from a copyright lawyer or a webmaster who's upset about excessive hits to the server where the photo is hosted. That bandwidth thing again.
Good that you tried out the Revos in the rain, instead of the GSA. During the rain storms here in LA a few months back, I hydroplaned my 04 TJ on the freeway with the GSA, and almost kissed the K rails. Heard from other posters that the GSA is prone to hydroplaning. Took the top off the jeep last summer and I would notice this noise caused by the rear seatbelts vibrating in the wind, besides that it was acceptable. Also the jeep does get improved fuel economy after 5,000 miles, I am very sure that I gained over 1 mpg, I presently average 17 mpg with my 5 speed 4.0 liter with mostly city driving.
I don't know if you have decent cell coverage at you home, but my new work phone has the capability to serve as a dial up networking connection over either USB or Bluetooth. I think the data plan is $20 on top of monthly cellular service. The good news is that even where I live (out in the sticks), I can get 192k cellular data connection. It looks like in the near future, cellular Ip connections are going to be a very viable alternative to the traditional connections. My cell and data plan is through sprint and so far, no issues with coverage or data speeds.
If I didn't spend all my work time at home on the phone or internet, it would definitely be a viable alternative to a DSL Lite connection and woudl serve almost all my needs in one place.
I just bought a 2001 wrangler with an alarm. The manual that came with it doesn't have any real info or even the name of the manufacturer. It was installed by the dealer. I believe its a Code Alarm brand.
I would like to get a motion sensor for the inside of the jeep. Is there any way to add it on to the existing alarm or do I need to install a whole new system?
I have Jeep Fever and am almost ready to jump in, but I heard that the 2006 Wrangler will have the 3.7 engine rather than the 4.0. Anyone have any information on this? The gas mileage is supposed to be better as well as more horse power. Pat D
Pat:
Welcome to Edmunds Jeep Wrangler. Hey, we all understand about "Wrangler Fever."
If you will be using your Jeep much in off road situations, then you would appreciate the old workhorse engine, the 4.0 L Inline 6. The 4.0 makes real good power at low RPM, and when you are off road, you are going to want to stay at low RPM. The 4.0 is a perfect match for the capabilities of the rest of the Jeep. It will never win awards for high gas mileage, but it is an extremely reliable engine with great low end torque.
We need to be concerned more with the power curve of an engine than with just the horsepower rating alone. An engine's horsepower rating is usually "peak" horsepower, but we need to know at what RPM that horsepower is achieved. It's the same with torque. What torque does the engine provide at what RPM?
With the 4.0 L engine, a guy can let the clutch out without using any throttle in 4 low, 1st gear without stalling. Actually, I have even been able to do this in high range 1st gear at stoplights (2 WD), as long as I come out slowly enough with the clutch. An enigne that needs high RPM to make power will not allow this.
We can now take the top and doors off of our Jeeps, and I dread the day that due to government regs Jeeps will no longer have removable tops and doors.
Pat, I'm afraid that the future holds more negative factors than positive ones with respect to the Jeep Wrangler.
We have a bunch of new Wrangler owners now, and we have several folks just about to buy their first ever Wrangler, so I thought it might spare someone some heartache if I post this warning.
Wranglers have a PART TIME four wheel drive system, so they should only be driven in four wheel drive when the pavement is snow covered, or when the Jeep is off the pavement.
Do not use 4WD high range or 4WD low range on dry pavement!
Some folks are used to SUV's that can be run all the time in 4WD, so I just wanted all of the new owners of Wranglers to be warned that a Jeep Wrangler is NOT an SUV and does NOT have a full time 4WD system.
It won't tear anything up immediately if you forget to go back to 2WD from 4WD high range and run a few miles on pavement in 4WD High. I mistakenly drove about 20 miles on the highway in 4 High once. When I wanted to go back to 2WD after wheelin' at Turkey Bay one time, I didn't get the lever pushed all the way back down to 2WD: it stopped at the 4 HIgh position. Glad I noticed it before driving all the way back home!
With a four wheel drive system like the Wrangler's, the tires need to be able to slip a little to relieve binding in the drive train. Maybe Mac can explain why this binding occurs? Is it the slight difference in the tire diameters, slight differences in the machining of the gears?
There are some built in features on full time four wheel drive systems that overcome this binding problem, but a Wrangler does not have these features.
So glad that you are having such fun with that new Jeep, but it is not at all surprising. I think EVERYONE who has ever bought a Wrangler has been amazed by how much fun they really are. There just ain't nothin' like 'em!
Yeeeeeeeeeeehawwwwwwwww!!!!!!!!
Makes you wonder what took you so long to get a Jeep, doesn't it? I could sure kick myself in the butt for waiting until age 51 before getting my first Wrangler!
Tom - I like how you posted both sizes. Allows dial-uppers to select the small one and the broadbanders select the big one. Good idea! Again, thanks for sharing those amazing Wrangler prowess photos - Rock That Jeep, Man! Can't wait to get mine!
Also, thanks for good reminder on part-time 4-wheel drive on the Wrangler. A buddy of mine with a 4x4 Ford truck was telling me the same thing about how you need that wheel slippage in order to use the 4-wheel drive. I think the slippage is needed for the differential that normally allows the outside wheel on a turn to turn faster than the inside wheel. In 4-wheel mode that front transfer case to the front axels doesn't have a differential so both front wheels turn at exactly the same speed so turning without slippage puts huge forces on wheels that are getting good traction which is what gives 4-wheeling the power to get out of sticky situations. Then again, I currently drive a small front-wheel drive Honda Civic that would disappear in "Buttpucker Gulch 1" and never be heard from again so I should just shut my mouth until I can "play with the big boys" and actually have some "stories". :P
Yes, there IS a front differential. On Wranglers other than Rubicons, the front diff is a Dana 30. Rubicons come out with Dana 44's front and back.
You might be getting into the "locked" vs. "open" differential thing when you talk about tires needing to rotate at different speeds in corners. That is definitely a factor there. The locker has to release for cornering to allow the difference in speed between the two tires on the same axle.
You could be right, though, that cornering has something to do with not using part time four wheel drive on dry pavement, but trust me, there IS a differential on the front axle.
I'm hoping good old Mac will help us to understand what causes binding in the drive train when four wheel drive is used when the tires cannot slip. I have read something on it somewhere, but I don't remember the details.
Jim, your profile says you are in Saline, MI. I don't know exactly where that is, but if you want to make the trip to western KY and go to Turkey Bay sometime, I would be honored to guide you. I know you don't want to beat up a brand new Jeep, but I would keep you out of places like BP Gulch. There is some fun wheelin' to be done had where the only real risk might be light scratches from brush or tree limbs.
Turkey Bay is a great place for someone new to wheelin'. It has some very easy stuff, some intermediate stuff, and a little bit of slightly extreme stuff (not much of that). I could take you to some very safe, but at the same time very FUN places. I just plain LOVE to get newbies into wheelin'. It is so much fun to hear the excitement in the voices and to see the ear-to-ear smiles on the faces of people who are wheelin' for the first time and seeing what their Jeeps are capable of doing. No one I have ever taken out wheelin' for their first time has failed to be simply BLOWN AWAY by the things his/her bone stock Jeeps will do, just like I was the first time I went.
It's always easier to visualize things if you imagine the extremes. If you think of the most extreme turn your rear axle could make, it would be with one wheel staying in one spot on the ground and the axle would be rotating around it like the hand of a clock. Picture how the wheel in the center isn't rotating at all, and how the wheel at the other end is racing as the axle is turning around like that clock hand. The differential allows this difference in speed while still keeping a mechanical connection.
Now, picture the same thing with the steering turned to full lock on the front axle. The same principle applies as with the rear axle, but because the wheels aren't at 90º to the axle they won't travel the same path as the rear one, and will therefore travel a different distance. Again the differential allows the wheels to rotate at different speeds.
So, we now know that the front and rear wheels travel at different speeds when turning, both in relation to each other and more importantly, from axle to axle. This means that the propeller shafts, which carry the drive from the transfer case to the axles will turn at different speeds as well. In an AWD or full-time 4WD vehicle, there's a differential in the transfer case to allow the prop shafts to do this, just like the diff in the axle allows the drive shafts to turn at different speeds.
In the Wrangler the is no t/case diff. Either you are in 2WD and the drive just goes to the rear prop shaft, with the front one being allowed to spin free, or you are in 4WD, when the front and rear prop shafts are locked together in the t/case and the drive goes to the equally. In this situation when you make a turn the front and rear prop shafts need to rotate at different speeds, and this need is met by one or more of the wheels slipping a little. If you're on a high friction surface where this can't happen, stress builds up in the whole drivetrain until at worst something breaks, or at best you can't steer or operate the transfercase.
So basically, the wheels have to be allowed to slip in 4WD to relieve the stress that will inevitably build up in the drive train.
I KNEW you could help us! Your explanation was good enough that even a dummy like me could understand!
So, it sounds like you were right, Jim. There IS a differential missing in our four wheel drive system compared to a full time system. The one that's missing is in the T-case, and maybe that's what you were saying and I just didn't understand. Sorry.
What would we do without our old Macster around here????
I don't know if you have decent cell coverage at you home, .............................It looks like in the near future, cellular Ip connections are going to be a very viable alternative to the traditional connections
To get any cellular signal here (AT&T/Cingular) I have to drive three and a half miles to the middle of a bridge. The nearest town has one stoplight and I think they roll up the streets at night.
to get any cellular signal here (AT&T/Cingular) I have to drive three and a half miles to the middle of a bridge. The nearest town has one stoplight and I think they roll up the streets at night.
Isn't that the town that recently laid off the dog catcher because he caught the dog?
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Unfortunately, they could only road test them in a parking lot; guess Jeep doesn't want to go off-road with a million dollar concept car.
Steve, Host
Let's see how it's gonna work. This is a pic taken of Thelma Jane in Buttpucker Gulch.
Tomster
Have you hugged your Jeep today/
It's a separate window, so you can go on and read posts or whatever while the pic is loading in the new window.
Now, I will do it again in a smaller file size that will open to only 440 x 330 pixels. I'll see how long it takes that to load. Take a look at the difference in the size of the pic and decide if you think the extra time to load is worth it, OK?
Tomster
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
Tomster
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
What do the rest of you guys and gals think?
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
Thanks.
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
You certainly got a super deal on that puppy. Best of luck with it.
Ya gotta post a pic somehow. For now, you will have to have the pic hosted somewhere on the Net, but next month, hopefully, we will all have the new photo upload feature that is currently being tested.
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
They charged me $1435.00 for the Dual Top Group.
Then later on the sticker they charged me $795.00 for the hard top.
The Jeep district rep. said that was correct for 2004. I can not find any info that supports his claim.
Everything I can find says that the hard top and soft top are included in the Dual Top group.
Has anyone else been charged for the hard top twice?
Thanks
It's confusing, but I think you were charged correctly for the dual tops. The total between the $795 for the hard top and the $1435 for the dual top group is about what you would pay for the factory hard top alone.
I got the hard top only when I bought my 2001 Sport, and I was charged something like that $795. They are giving you credit for the soft top that comes standard when they only charge you $795 for the hard top. Now, if you want BOTH tops, you have to pay the full price for the hard top, which would be about the $2230 total of the $795 plus the $1435.
So, they make it sound like you are getting charged twice for the hard top, but you really aren't.
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
Nobody from Jeep could explain it.
Thanks for your input. This new feature needs to be something that we can all live with. We have the whole spectrum of connection speeds, I'm sure. Some of us have cable modem, and pics load in a flash, and some of us have dial-ups that are as slow as molasses.
Edmunds is doing a great job in trying to make this new feature something that enhances the members' experience without being a burden to anyone. I am honored to be one of those who gets to upload pics during the test phase, but we can ALL participate by expressing our opinions.
Thanks again.
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
Hey, stick around with us here. We'd love to have you become a regular member of the gang. Let us hear how you are enjoying that new Jeep!
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
So, while Daimler Chrysler's option packaging is a pain, the smiles come standard.
-Mike
>I still cannot believe how...well, stupid... the options are for Jeeps.
Steve - I'll volunteer to test drive those vehicles, especially the Gladiator, on my commute. They really should be well tested before they are offered for sale and my commute would be a great torture test! It took us 3 hours to get home tonight.
I'm going to try a bigger photo and a larger file (but still smaller than Tom's last one) - I've been trying to keep mine really small. I've also been saving the original (large) file as compressed as much as I dare (like level 4 on a scale that goes to 12 - I use photoshop). This isn't a recent one (taken in January) but it shows the difference in size between a Sport and an Unlimited - well, sort of... It seemed to be appropriate to post on the day after a pretty good rain event - reminds me why I love winter!
Edited to add - I just tried to click on the link and it didn't load properly. Maybe I compressed it too much and my brouser is confused? Or is my internet connection acting up? I have high speed wireless internet service. Let me know if it doesn't work others.
Thanks to the rain
I camped over in Yosemite last week Embeeduece, and the waterfalls were full and roaring.
took us 3 hours to get home
The park was full Mtngal; I've been hinting to my Cali-born wife that we should try a move to beautiful California sometime, but after the Sacramento/Yosemite crowds, I'm not so hot on the idea now. Btw, the road to Carson City just south of Tahoe still has about as much snow in your pic. :surprise: And I got to add the Old Priest Grade to my list of road trip conquests.
Steve, Host
-Mike
I'm awaiting my unlimited in Stone White so seeing your beauty in the same color makes me feel closer to getting my own Jeep (hopefully only a couple more weeks!).
Regarding photo sizes...I really like the larger image but I do have broadband so easy for me to say (3 seconds vs. 2 seconds). I remember my dial-up days but even then, I'd prefer the wait for bigger, better detail. Does Edmunds offer a way to include two links, one for small image and one for large image? Probably requires the uploader to send both sizes unless Edmunds has some resolution re-rendering capability as images get uploaded.
Between 9.6 and 14.4! Over a minute for the small one, and the download timed out on the big one. Oh, and no cable, no DSL, no clear sky view, and can't afford a T1.
I expected alot more noise with the top down. The other night my wife and I could actually carry on a conversation without yelling while going 60 on the freeway.
The wrangler is an absolute blast to drive, especially with the top down. I have zero complaints, but then again I have only driven 220 miles. I wouldnt call it a complaint since I knew what I was getting into, but when I filled up this morning I calculated I got 13.8mpg. Hopefully that will get better...
Jeff :shades:
I would have to vote for the larger pics as well. I too am on cable, but going to back to my dailup days (28.8kbs) I would have rather had the high quality pics.
Hmm. Maybe we could print up hard copies of pur pictures and all invest in carrier pigeons. That would be awesome!
-Mike
There is a whole board for the 2006 Wranglers
link title
From what I read they are planning a lot of changes, but not sure if they are planning them all at the beginning or mid year.
Laura
Between 9.6 and 14.4! Over a minute for the small one, and the download timed out on the big one. Oh, and no cable, no DSL, no clear sky view, and can't afford a T1.
Mac! That is AWFUL! Geez! Where in the world do you live? Siberia???
All I can tell ya is... MOVE!
Tomster
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
Tomster
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
Tomster
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
I like the way it is set up so that people who don't want to wait for a pic to load are not forced to wait. I don't blame anyone with a terrible connection speed like Mac has for not wanting to have to wait forever for stuff to load. Geez, Mac, I'll bet just about anywhere you go on the Net, you get time-outs before a screen completely loads.
Keep the comments coming. I'm sure our hosts are taking note of all of your opinions.
Tomster
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
I like the one that tom posted with the telephone, that has a thumbnail in the message,
went to pittsfield IL today, helped with a little trail cleanup / chainsawing and pruning. we got to do a little wheeling along the way from downed tree to downed tree.
the jeep club is hosting a big event in a couple weeks, they still have a few openings if anyone is interested, info available at
www.trjc.com
jeff
Actually, they're more like this:
Thanks (and always, always, blame your spotter
Steve, Host
If I didn't spend all my work time at home on the phone or internet, it would definitely be a viable alternative to a DSL Lite connection and woudl serve almost all my needs in one place.
- twylie
I would like to get a motion sensor for the inside of the jeep. Is there any way to add it on to the existing alarm or do I need to install a whole new system?
Any tips would be appreciated.
Thanks.
Pat:
Welcome to Edmunds Jeep Wrangler. Hey, we all understand about "Wrangler Fever."
If you will be using your Jeep much in off road situations, then you would appreciate the old workhorse engine, the 4.0 L Inline 6. The 4.0 makes real good power at low RPM, and when you are off road, you are going to want to stay at low RPM. The 4.0 is a perfect match for the capabilities of the rest of the Jeep. It will never win awards for high gas mileage, but it is an extremely reliable engine with great low end torque.
We need to be concerned more with the power curve of an engine than with just the horsepower rating alone. An engine's horsepower rating is usually "peak" horsepower, but we need to know at what RPM that horsepower is achieved. It's the same with torque. What torque does the engine provide at what RPM?
With the 4.0 L engine, a guy can let the clutch out without using any throttle in 4 low, 1st gear without stalling. Actually, I have even been able to do this in high range 1st gear at stoplights (2 WD), as long as I come out slowly enough with the clutch. An enigne that needs high RPM to make power will not allow this.
We can now take the top and doors off of our Jeeps, and I dread the day that due to government regs Jeeps will no longer have removable tops and doors.
Pat, I'm afraid that the future holds more negative factors than positive ones with respect to the Jeep Wrangler.
Tomster
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Wranglers have a PART TIME four wheel drive system, so they should only be driven in four wheel drive when the pavement is snow covered, or when the Jeep is off the pavement.
Do not use 4WD high range or 4WD low range on dry pavement!
Some folks are used to SUV's that can be run all the time in 4WD, so I just wanted all of the new owners of Wranglers to be warned that a Jeep Wrangler is NOT an SUV and does NOT have a full time 4WD system.
It won't tear anything up immediately if you forget to go back to 2WD from 4WD high range and run a few miles on pavement in 4WD High. I mistakenly drove about 20 miles on the highway in 4 High once. When I wanted to go back to 2WD after wheelin' at Turkey Bay one time, I didn't get the lever pushed all the way back down to 2WD: it stopped at the 4 HIgh position. Glad I noticed it before driving all the way back home!
With a four wheel drive system like the Wrangler's, the tires need to be able to slip a little to relieve binding in the drive train. Maybe Mac can explain why this binding occurs? Is it the slight difference in the tire diameters, slight differences in the machining of the gears?
There are some built in features on full time four wheel drive systems that overcome this binding problem, but a Wrangler does not have these features.
Tom
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So glad that you are having such fun with that new Jeep, but it is not at all surprising. I think EVERYONE who has ever bought a Wrangler has been amazed by how much fun they really are. There just ain't nothin' like 'em!
Yeeeeeeeeeeehawwwwwwwww!!!!!!!!
Makes you wonder what took you so long to get a Jeep, doesn't it? I could sure kick myself in the butt for waiting until age 51 before getting my first Wrangler!
Tomster
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Also, thanks for good reminder on part-time 4-wheel drive on the Wrangler. A buddy of mine with a 4x4 Ford truck was telling me the same thing about how you need that wheel slippage in order to use the 4-wheel drive. I think the slippage is needed for the differential that normally allows the outside wheel on a turn to turn faster than the inside wheel. In 4-wheel mode that front transfer case to the front axels doesn't have a differential so both front wheels turn at exactly the same speed so turning without slippage puts huge forces on wheels that are getting good traction which is what gives 4-wheeling the power to get out of sticky situations. Then again, I currently drive a small front-wheel drive Honda Civic that would disappear in "Buttpucker Gulch 1" and never be heard from again so I should just shut my mouth until I can "play with the big boys" and actually have some "stories". :P
Yes, there IS a front differential. On Wranglers other than Rubicons, the front diff is a Dana 30. Rubicons come out with Dana 44's front and back.
You might be getting into the "locked" vs. "open" differential thing when you talk about tires needing to rotate at different speeds in corners. That is definitely a factor there. The locker has to release for cornering to allow the difference in speed between the two tires on the same axle.
You could be right, though, that cornering has something to do with not using part time four wheel drive on dry pavement, but trust me, there IS a differential on the front axle.
I'm hoping good old Mac will help us to understand what causes binding in the drive train when four wheel drive is used when the tires cannot slip. I have read something on it somewhere, but I don't remember the details.
Jim, your profile says you are in Saline, MI. I don't know exactly where that is, but if you want to make the trip to western KY and go to Turkey Bay sometime, I would be honored to guide you. I know you don't want to beat up a brand new Jeep, but I would keep you out of places like BP Gulch. There is some fun wheelin' to be done had where the only real risk might be light scratches from brush or tree limbs.
Turkey Bay is a great place for someone new to wheelin'. It has some very easy stuff, some intermediate stuff, and a little bit of slightly extreme stuff (not much of that). I could take you to some very safe, but at the same time very FUN places. I just plain LOVE to get newbies into wheelin'. It is so much fun to hear the excitement in the voices and to see the ear-to-ear smiles on the faces of people who are wheelin' for the first time and seeing what their Jeeps are capable of doing. No one I have ever taken out wheelin' for their first time has failed to be simply BLOWN AWAY by the things his/her bone stock Jeeps will do, just like I was the first time I went.
Have you been to my Turkey Bay website?
Turkey Bay OHV Area: A Great Place to Wheel
Tomster
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I know I live in KY and all, but I DO know better than to use the expression "done had."
That should read "There is some fun wheelin' to be done where the only risk might be light scratches from brush or tree limbs."
Tomster
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Now, picture the same thing with the steering turned to full lock on the front axle. The same principle applies as with the rear axle, but because the wheels aren't at 90º to the axle they won't travel the same path as the rear one, and will therefore travel a different distance. Again the differential allows the wheels to rotate at different speeds.
So, we now know that the front and rear wheels travel at different speeds when turning, both in relation to each other and more importantly, from axle to axle. This means that the propeller shafts, which carry the drive from the transfer case to the axles will turn at different speeds as well. In an AWD or full-time 4WD vehicle, there's a differential in the transfer case to allow the prop shafts to do this, just like the diff in the axle allows the drive shafts to turn at different speeds.
In the Wrangler the is no t/case diff. Either you are in 2WD and the drive just goes to the rear prop shaft, with the front one being allowed to spin free, or you are in 4WD, when the front and rear prop shafts are locked together in the t/case and the drive goes to the equally. In this situation when you make a turn the front and rear prop shafts need to rotate at different speeds, and this need is met by one or more of the wheels slipping a little. If you're on a high friction surface where this can't happen, stress builds up in the whole drivetrain until at worst something breaks, or at best you can't steer or operate the transfercase.
So basically, the wheels have to be allowed to slip in 4WD to relieve the stress that will inevitably build up in the drive train.
I KNEW you could help us! Your explanation was good enough that even a dummy like me could understand!
So, it sounds like you were right, Jim. There IS a differential missing in our four wheel drive system compared to a full time system. The one that's missing is in the T-case, and maybe that's what you were saying and I just didn't understand. Sorry.
What would we do without our old Macster around here????
Tom
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To get any cellular signal here (AT&T/Cingular) I have to drive three and a half miles to the middle of a bridge. The nearest town has one stoplight and I think they roll up the streets at night.
Isn't that the town that recently laid off the dog catcher because he caught the dog?
Tomster
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HAPPY MUDDERS DAY!
To all the rest of you Moms:
HAPPY MOTHERS DAY!
Tomster
Have you hugged your Jeep today?