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  • I'm considering buying a new Jeep Wrangler. The one I have been looking at is a 2001 black Sahara with black dual tops. It includes all the goodies and I'm getting the Dana 44-3 package with 30" wheel group. The dealer is quoting me a price of $23,318 which is the dealer invoice. I've checked around other dealerships and the internet and found that this is a pretty competetive price. Being a first time Jeep owner I want to make sure I get everything at a good price. What do you all think? I've been following the message board for about a week now and you all seem to have a good amount of knowledege about Jeeps. Your opinon would be greatly appreciated.
    p.s. can't wait to finally get a Jeep. It's been along time coming.
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    If you go back through tons and tons of articles in here, you will see that the best deals are $100 to $200 over invoice, with the exception of shuggins, who STOLE a wrangler for about $500 under invoice!

    It is true that Jeeps are not selling well, and the Jeep plant has taken unscheduled down weeks here and there because of poor sales. So, it is a good time to buy, but you could probably look for a long, long time before you could beat that deal you have been offered. I would maybe try to get them down some more, but I would take the invoice price deal they have offered, if they won't come down any more.

    Personally, I have no problem with the dealer making a reasonable profit.


    Have you hugged your Jeep today?
  • Thanks for the info. One more question: What do you all think about the manual transmission? I personally like the feeling of being in a Jeep with my hand on a big old gear shift. What are the differences between the manual and automatic if any? Also, are there any other options I should consider getting in the Wrangler?
  • This is my first time posting here and I hope to get into it quite a bit. I actually read through every post on here just to get as educated as possible on jeep wranglers. Im planning on ordering a new sport with soft top shortly. My question is, I have heard that they will be putting a new 3.7L v-6 in the wrangler for 2002. Do you guys think its worth waiting for the better gas milage and possible increase in horsepower that the v-6 may offer? Or should I just go ahead and bite the bullet with the tried and true 4.0? I would love to hear opinions. I drive a silverado pickup and this will be a second car.
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    What does that Sahara that they quoted you have for a transmission? I personally prefer the five speed manual big time over the automatic, but I don't live in a big city and get caught in stop and go traffic. That would be the only reason I would consider an automatic.

    You are going to get better mileage and have better power with the 5-speed, especially since the automatics are only three speeds. The gear ratio for fifth gear on the Saharas and Sports (6 cylinder engines) is .78:1, and with the automatic, third gear is 1:1 (equal to fourth gear on a five speed). So, once you are in fifth gear, your engine turns only 78% as many RPMs as it would in high gear on an automatic at the same speed.

    Besides, it is a whole lot more fun to drive a stick shift!

    The Sahara has the subwoofer as standard equipment, I believe, but if it doesn't, then you ought to be sure to get it. It does wonders for the sound quality.

    Are you sure you want a Sahara? Nothing wrong with them, but you can get pretty much the same equipment on a loaded Sport. I don't know which way is cheaper, if you end up with pretty much the same equipment either way.

    I wish someone had told me sooner about the TracLoc option. I had already ordered my Thelma Jane before I was told by a couple different people in this group that TracLoc is really good for driving on snow or ice. If you are alreadyu getting the Dana 44 rear end as part of the 30" tire package, then it only costs $285 more to get the TracLoc.

    Hope this helps. Email me if you need any more info or post another message.

    Here's Thelma's web page, and it has price info, which might be useful to you.



  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    Welcome to the group! Wow, you must be serious about getting info, if you read every post in here!

    I don't know anything about the V-6 in the 2002's. If it is a brand new engine, I might be a little afraid to take a chance on one in its first year. IS that a new engine, or has it been around a while in other vehicles?

    I don't see a thing wrong with the 4.0 L myself. I had a Grand Cherokee with that engine and my Wrangler has one also. It has good low end torque and it runs nice and smooth.


    Have you hugged your Jeep today?
  • The Sahara I'm thinking about getting is a 5-speed. It does include the sub woofer, which I also agree, helps the sound out. The info I have on the Dan 44 rear axle is that it comes with the Trac-loc differential. I hadn't really thought much about getting a Sport model. It did occur to me that you could get the same options put into a Sport model that come in a Sahara. When I looked at the price difference I thought the Sport would end up being more but I could've been wrong. I might check into it a little more to see if I can get what I want in a Sport for less money. The Sport at least has more color options. It would more and likely end up being black anyway though.
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    I don't think the Tracloc just automatically comes with the Dana44. You have to have the Dana44 in order to get TracLoc, but you don't just automatically have TracLoc unless you ask for it and pay the extra money for it. At least that's the way it was just a couple months ago when I ordered my Jeep.

    I have the Dana44 but I DON'T have TracLoc (although I wish I did).

    You'd better go to a dealer that has sold quite a few Wranglers and has someone who knows how to package options. Some dealers hardly ever sell a Wrangler and the salesmen don't know squat about what comes with what.

  • Buy what you like man... I mean get the stuff that you are going to be using more. Like me, I got the D30 in front and D35 in rear because I'm soon going to upgrade to a Tera D60 with OX lockers. I have the automatic... Between auto and manual it just depends on what you want, they both have their own advantages and disadvantages off-road and on-road. Just find what you like and get it... if you are going to upgrade, just get the cheaper of what you can get and switch it out...and by the way, JEEPS are AWESOME!
  • After a month and a half of being on backorder, Spyro's brushguard is finally in! Now I just gotta find out when I'll have time to put it on, been making a movie lately and so I havn't had time to do ANYTHING! I'll have pics up as soon as I can on my girlfriends website.
  • Thanks tsjay. I enjoyed reading the articles you posted on wanting and then finally getting your jeep. I think I can tell you more about your jeep than you can by now. lol. I read about the possibility of a new v-6 for the tj on mikes jeep news page and all fours jeep club site. the 3.7 v-6 is not new apparently its just the 4.7 v-8 with the front two cylinders cut off. its rumored to be put in the tj in 2002 or 2003. which begs the question will I be better off with the v-6, or will I have a desirable classic with the final run of the good ol straight 6. I hate decisions.
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    Yeah, man, it was a REAL struggle for me to get my Jeep! I sometimes go back and read my old posts from when I was trying to think of a way to get into a Jeep. I get a chuckle out of them.

    I'll tell you what, though, Thelma Jane is worth everything I went through to get her. She is more fun to drive than any of the great number of other vehicles I have owned.

    I assume you have checked out Thelma's web page, but if you haven't, then you might want to do so. You can read my "Ode to a Wrangler" poem and see some pics of Thelma.

    Tonka, I think I would still prefer the 4.0 L. A V-6 is not nearly as well balanced as a straight six. If the 3.7 is anyting like the 4.3 GM engine, which is a chopped off 350, then it is going to be noisy and not exactly smooth running. Now the 4.3 is a good, reliable engine with some serious power, but I don't know anything about the 3.7. That 4.0 L has been around for ages, and it has proven itself many times over.

    Whatever you decide, good luck. I know there's no way I could wait that long to get a Jeep (regarding the 2002 model).

    I am not exactly blessed with patience.


    Have you hugged your Jeep today?

  • Sorry I have not been on lately. Been out of town. No news on Rommel yet. I have not checked on his status because it will drive me crazy! I figure they told me 6 to 8 weeks and if it comes early it will be a great surprise. It was 4 weeks since last Friday that I ordered it so I should be in the stretch! Glad to hear you and Thelma Jane are doing well. Don't sweat the gas milage. Life is way to short to be bothered with such stuff! Keep me updated on your black hard top fix. Don't be to bummed. I have found that everytime I get a new vehicle I get some little damage that takes the "flawless" out of the vehicle. It use to infuriate me, but then I noticed that my vechicle seemed to escape further damage for the rest of the time I owned it. I don't know, maybe I have just been lucky!
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    Good to hear from you again. I didn't know what had happened to you.

    I don't see how you can keep from checking on Rommel! I was driving them crazy calling about Thelma.

    I have to try to find some time to take off a couple hours from work and get her over to the dealer where I bought her, so they can look at the place on her top where the paint has come off.

    My dealer doesn't have a body shop, so they just have to look at it and then send me somewhere to get it fixed. I hope they will let me use a body shop in the town where I work. It is way out of my way to go to Owensboro, Ky., where the dealer is located. There are two dealers closer to my home, but those are the guys who tried to rape me when I was shopping for a Jeep, and I don't want to go to either of them. One of those dealers is in the little town that I live in and the other is in the town where I work. Either one would be much handier for me.

    I'll let you know how it turns out, but it is killing me having something wrong with Thelma. I've got to get that taken care of! There's a super body shop in the town where I work, and that's where I would like to take her.

    Later, desertfoxx!


    Have you hugged your Jeep today?
  • You said you were making a movie? Is it a Jeep movie or what? Sounds interesting...
  • tjy Are you guys getting the trac-lok? It is worth it unless you are going to put something better in.

    raider42 I believe the difference between the Sahara and sport is around $500 more for the Sahara with the same options.

    tonkadave Welcom to the board. I wouldn't wait on the new engine. The 4.0 is a great engine and I would not risk it. It may turn out to be a better engine but I doubt it will be that much better.
  • I know of a 2001 sienna sport w/ dual tops 'black tops'and all the options you listed. I saw it last weekend at joe jacoby jeep in warrenton. It's about 35 miles out 66 from dc. The web site is I would call them and see if they still have it. I was looking at it. I know they can match the $100 over invoice deal and there would be no wait. Just thought I would pass that along. Good luck!
  • I have a ? for all jeep owners out there. My 2001 sahara is my 2nd wrangler. My last one was a 93 and I had it for 6 yr. I put 5 windshields on it in the 6 years I owned it. Now I thought in 97 they set the windshield at a different angle to help with all the rock chips. I got my 2001 sahara in December and I already have a big rock chip. I have heard those hood deflectors help channel the rocks over the roof. Is this true?
  • steverstever Posts: 52,683
    I don't think I'd trust any outfit whose webpage opens my favorites everytime I go there trying to get me to add them to my list. Most irritating....

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  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    I am home sick today with big time stomach trouble, and I thought I would be bored to death.

    Looks like some of my buddies are posting, though, so maybe I will have something to do after all.

    Hi shuggins, steve, texasjeep, and saenzski! Anybody feel like chatting? Any of you guys got Instant Message? I am tjoh298765 on Instant Message if someone feels like hollering at me.

    If not, then keep posting.


    Have you hugged your Jeep today?
  • That is a pain. But, I don't think you can judge an outfit by it's website. They are a great dealership. Plus I'm a huge skins fan so it's always nice to go in and talk to the great Joe Jacoby. I bought my first jeep from them. This last jeep I bought somewhere else. Jocoby only has about 10 wranglers in stock and none of them were what I wanted.
  • The Dana 44 is worth gettting if you are planning to install tires larger then 30" and plan to use it off road. The Dana 44 is a much stronger axle and usually comes with a trac lok in it. The trac lok is not as strong as a detroit locker but it does work very well. The Dana 30 axle isn't nearly as strong and with larger size tires it may decided to spit an axle.
  • I am saenzski on aol IM, you said you were on, but I cannot find you pal.
  • mellismellis Posts: 150
    FYI for everyone that is looking to buy a new 2001 Wrangler - there is now a $500 mfg rebate on the SE, Sport, and Sahara until 4/3/01. Make sure you get this rebate when you look for your deal. You should get this subtracted from your deal, i.e. if you agree on $100 over invoice then you should end up at $400 UNDER invoice.

    Happy shopping!

  • I just noticed the rebate this morning myself while taking my daily tour thruough the jeep website. Thats great because im getting ready to order and I know they dont offer it much or at all on the wranglers. I dont think the $100 over invoice will be a problem for me, but I know the advertising fee will be. Has anyone been able to avoid paying it.
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    I have always been told by the "old hands" in the Jeep world that DC NEVER gives rebates on the Wranglers. The rebate on the automatic transmission on the 2000's was unusual, I guess.

    Too bad the rebate wasn't in effect about three months ago when I ordered Thelma Jane. I am happy for you guys that are getting ready to place your orders, though.

    I sure hope DC survives, for the sake of their employees. Things must be awfully bleak now. They are closing plants and laying off shifts.

    Good timing for tonkadave and tjy, huh? I'm happy for you guys.


    Have you hugged your Jeep today?
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    Hey, desertfoxx, is it too late for you to get in on the rebate, since you haven't actually taken delivery yet?

    I suppose you won't be able to, since you have already made the deal. Bummer, but I know that won't take away from your enjoyment at Rommel's arrival one little bit, right?

  • No it wasn't about a Jeep... although my Jeep has been in a couple other Movies... These are just Student projects at North Carolina School of the Arts. But they are 5,000 dollar budgets outside of equipment costs. They are actually shot on 16mm film and processed and edited on an AVID. Then sent to film festivals. So Spyro will soon be shown around the US! This one was actually about a LARGE pile of POOP! Seriously... this guy lost a ring that he was going to ask this girl to marry him with down the toilet. He follows it by the sound of the clanking in the drain pipes. He ends up in the sewers and gets attacked by a group of rouge GIRL SCOUTS! This sewer dweller comes to his rescue by scaring off the girls and leading him to the pile of POOP where the unfortunate man must rummage through to find the ring. It's actually alot more involved than that but that's just the jist of it. I am working on a movie in March that I had to get a HUMMER and a Porshe for. Got the Hummer just not the Porshe, yet.
  • mellismellis Posts: 150

    I am in the a similar situation to where you were a couple of months ago. Want a Wrangler, have a car that I like (96 Audi A4 Quattro) but I WANT the Wrangler.

    I have been having minor maintenance issues with the A4 for the past few months. $200 here, $300 there. It is trying to tell me it is tired. The $500 Wrangler rebate did it - I'm off to the dealer.

    I have a hard time getting what I want on the A4 and a good price on the Wrangler at the same time. Finally I find a dealer with the 2001 Sport I want, equiped with dual tops, blue, etc. I get him to $500 under invoice with the rebate. I get him to the figure I want for the Audi. So I start driving over this morning to complete the deal with check in hand. Note that I have had to really stretch the old budget here.

    On the drive over I notice that the Audi's odometer and trip meter are out. No LED display at all. Uh oh. I let the dealer know. Not good.

    I figured a blown fuse at worst. WRONG! Two Audi dealers confirm it is an $800 repair since you have to replace the entire gauge cluster! And I obviously can't trade or sell a car without a working odometer. [SIGH]

    Assuming I can get out of my driveway tomorrow morning (16" of snow) it is off to the used parts stores to see if I can find a used set (doubtful). Even if I do the labor is still $300.

    With this added bill I really cannot afford the Wrangler. But I'm not sure I can afford the Audi repairs either!

  • I say DON'T get it! I had one and all's it did was scratch the front of my hood where dirt would get caught down at the front. I've never had any problems with rocks chipping my window with or without the bug guard. The bug guard seemed to actually make the wind noise WORSE and make the soft top shake in weird ways... It did keep some of the bugs off the window but rocks are more heavy than bugs so I would imagine that they would just go right through the wind flow and still hit the windshield. Hope this helps
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