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He showed me some other colors, but I stand firm on the only color I want is Patriot Blue.
After I talked to him for a while, I said that I would prefer just to custom build it, and have it sent to the dealership. He said that there would be a $500 fee for delivery, and I asked him why, and said that it cost THEM to deliver it. (Bunch of Bullcrap), so I said that another dealership would do it for free, and started to walk away..... He chased me to my car and said that he would do it for free also. The total amount he said was $24,600 (with dealer markup, and discounts) I knew this was a lot of bunk because I did my homework!!!
So while he was talking to the Sales Manager, I took out my PDA and set it to calculator mode. I typed in what I built it for online ($21,600 with discount), and added the 5%. The amount that I should pay for this car was $22,750. He finally came back after 20 minutes. and said that they would custom order it. I told him my offer of $22,700, and said that the least he would do was $24,200. After around 15 minutes of bickering, I finally said that I would do $22,800, and not a cent more.
He fianlly came down to $23,500, and I just frankly said that he had my offer, and that was it. I started to walk away, and get back in my car (my friends car, I already sold mine by myself), and he chased me like a dog chasing taillights. I finally got out 2 feet from the road, and he fianlly convinced me to come back into the dealership. After another 20 minutes, he gave me his final price of $23,000 even. I accepted, and I filled out the paperwork.
I also had to give him a $700 down payment to keep until the Jeep was delivered. I agreed and gave him my Visa. He said that he would call me when my car was in, and I thanked him. I drove out of the dealership thinking I got a great deal, what does everyone else think? From $24,600 to $23,000. What does everyone think?
-gdh
-Dan
The rest of the year, it's city life and highway driving. Would I be miserable all winter having to manage the challenges of city driving with my off road vehicle? Or would I be on the ranch, rain or shine, any moment I could enjoying my new found freedom from cars? :P
I know it's truly a personal choice but it's nice to hear the pro's and con's out there.
Steve
And remember, let's be careful out there...
CONGRATULATIONS! Yeeeeehawwwwwwww!!!!!!!!
So, what are you talking about when you say your Jeep will be "delivered?" You mean they found one like you want at another dealership and are going to do a dealer trade, or are you going to factory order a 2006? Must be you are talking about a dealer trade, since you are getting the employee pricing, right?
Keep us posted! Do you know what gearing you are getting?
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
I purchased it at Power Jeep, Chrysler, Dodge in Phoenix. I would recommend the dealership if you are good at negotiation, all the salesman are very knowledgeable on the cars. He suggested the 3.07 since I would probobly be doing mostly highway driving.
I was going to wait, but I really need a car, and I wanted that employee discount. I absolutely love the Patriot Blue color. I also got the regular doors, and not the ones with roll up windows. I love to be outdoors, and the wind in my hair.But yes, when I said "custom built" I meant with all the options that I wanted, it was my exact specifications.
I'll "jeep" you all posted on my progress. Thanks very much.
That does assume that you could live without power windows and doors, and don't mind a vehicle that is noisier than a Lexus. If you don't mind doing without some of those (my opinion, unnecessary) amenities, then an Unlimited might be just the thing.
Our 2 vehicles are a '98 Wrangler Sport and a '04 Unlimited. The Unlimited is our daily driver and our commute is from Frazier Park to West Los Angeles (75 miles one way, from about 6,000 feet to sea level and includes the Grapevine, Newhall and Sepulveda Passes). The seats are comfortable, the Unlimited is quieter than the Sport (even though the Unlimited is a soft top and the Sport is a hard top). The extra length makes it much more stable in high winds (the Sport is exceptionally skittish). The I6 engine has plenty of power to maintain freeway speeds (well, 70 mph) going up the Grapevine. It isn't a sports car. Even the Unlimited is bouncier than a Lexus, but it isn't as bad as the Sport.
The soft top got us through last winter without any problem (including the occasional snow). If you don't mind crank windows and a convertible that takes lots of tugging and a few swear words (at the beginning) to manipulate, it sure is fun.
One thing that the Sport has over most vehicles (including the Unlimited) in the city is the turning radius. You can easily park it just about anywhere, and do U turns in narrow streets.
Does that sound like something you could live with?
The I'll "jeep" you comment makes me think someone should invent a horn that can be tuned to should like jeep-jeep when you blow the horn (think Roadrunner cartoons - meepmeep),
Steve, Host
1) Many people practice the "Jeep wave" - - which is a fun thing that can lift your spirit when you're around other cars.
2) The wind-in-your-hair deal would work for most any convertible, but in a Jeep you have a better view! (At least you're higher up and have a more commanding view of the road.)
3) With a Jeep, the fact that you accept all the idiosyncrasies of the design, and still manage to love your ride - - well, that just identifies you as a fun-loving, flexible person. At least as far as it applies to your Jeep!
4) One of those idiosyncrasies is pretty marginal fuel economy (at least as compared to Miata's or Mini's). Maybe the suggestion to keep a city car and a ranch Jeep is the best idea? Nah...... once you've explored the Jeep roads up North, you'll want to spend as much time tooling around in your baby as you can!
Of course, we COULD be biased!
As for a daily driver Jeep, I have mine sitting in the parking lot right now at work with top and doors off and I drive it every day I can that way. Even in the winter, I prefer driving it (except when I can't scrape the side plastic windows).
A jeep is definitely NOT a Lexus or such as far as ride quality or performance, but it is something special to nearly everybody who has one. My wife looks at me funny when I choose the Jeep over the BMW for daily work, even when it is 95 degrees with matching humidity.
The idea of an old Jeep to keep at the ranch would be good if you REALLY want a more luxurious/sporty convertible for intown driving. Can't blame ya there. My next vehicle will be a hard top convertible of some type - maybe SLK or a new TT (if they go with a hard top) or even a BMW vert (again, if the new droptop is hardtop). Then there is always a coupe with a removeable roof, like a Vette *drool*! A car convertible will probably get better gas mileage than the Jeep will, which you probably want to consider if you are on the West Coast...
With either choice, just go with what feels best to you. Try driving some Jeeps with tops up/down/off and see how it feels for you.
-Paul
Reminds me of old Nellybelle on the vintage Roy Rogers show.
Have you cursed your dash panel today?
Markster
As far as buying an old Jeep just for the ranch, I thought of it but my husband's not too keen on buying an older car that may have "issues". Also, I probably won't get away with TWO cars...
It's funny that I was at this crossroads several years ago and opted for a car because I felt the car was more practical for commuting. I still wish I'd tried the Jeep instead. So, there's my answer.
The Unlimited seems to be the one I'm tending to like more because of the extra storage and , maybe, a smoother ride. Plus, there's more room for my daughter and all of her stuff, too.
Thanks again everyone!
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jeff
I mean, it looked tricked out and all, but so much for buying an old cheap one to park at the ranch.
Steve, Host
Well, maybe I wouldn't be willing to sell it - I bought it new, I still love it and where else would I find a car that can be used so infrequently and be so faithful? On second thought, forget it!
-Paul
-Paul
In June of this year he leased an '05 Wrangler from a dealer near him in Brooklyn, NY.
In July he recieved this recall notice in the mail and immediately called his dealer.
The dealer made light of the recall and said they would take care of it when he brought it in for his first oil-change...(the car had 1500 miles on it at that point).Last week, while driving in western NJ on vacation with his wife the check engine light came on, followed immediately by every other idiot light...at which time he immediately pulled off the road and shut off the car....He checked the liquids under the hood and discovered all levels were correct...the car would not restart..He called roadside service and they came and picked up the car and towed him to the nearest dealer in Hackettstown, NJ. The dealer said they could do nothing for him, no loaner, no car of any kind and suggested he call a local cab.
He called the cab company, and found the cheapest way for he and his wife to get back to NYC was a limo for 150 bucks...The dealer in NJ contacted him Monday morning...(this happened at 3 p.m. on Saturday last)...at first reprimanding him for not having the recall done; then, realizing the car was leased in June..3 months after the recall (the dealer should have fixed this problem before leasing him the vehicle) , dropping that particular line of conversation. The car needs a new engine..in the minute or so after the idiot light came on the engine self destructed. He wanted to know if he could get a loaner car for the two week period his car will be laid up..The dealer denied the request. He also thinks he should be reimbursed for his 150 dollar outlay in getting home...maybe even compensated for loss of his vacation...
My thoughts on this whole issue are this:
If American automobile manufacturers want us to buy their cars, they had better change their attitude toward their customers...In my opinion this is inexcusable behavior by Chrysler Corp and it's agents...
Comments anyone......Thanks...Jack
What did DC do wrong? :confuse:
Sounded like a story about an unethical car dealer who chose to do the wrong thing at every opportunity. I sympathize with your nephew who's the unfortunate victim of an 'old school' Brooklyn dealership, but he has plenty of recourse to make the dealer's eyes water.
Yours in Jeep Coolness,
Dave
I bought a 4x8 folding utility trailer in kit form from Harbor Freight about 6-8 years ago and it it awesome. I decked it with 3/4" treated plywood and eventually built a 2x4 stake bed as well. It folds in the center and the tongue folds down, then the whole thing sits on built-in brackets w/ 4 casters for storage. Takes up about 8 sq. ft. when not in use. I paid extra for the version with 12" wheels--a good investment if it will see any highway miles. They also have a much smaller--4x4?- version that doesn't fold, but would probably just lean against a wall out of the way. This may be a better option if you will only use it for camping, but I will warn you that once you have one you will use it far more than you ever thought. It's my poor man's pick-up truck
great for firewood, taking yard waste to the compost site, picking up my extra set of tires, helping friends move, etc.
if I was in the market for another, I'd be getting one at least 10 ft long. my 8 footer is a bit hard to see in the rear and side view mirrors. mine has a tilt bed and did not have a tailgate. I had a friend weld some channel iron on it last weekend, now I can drop a 2x10 in for a tailgate.
jeff
but the coolest trailers for jeeps have to be surplused military trailers!!
Ok, to follow your reasoning we should buy from a manufacturer who doesn't have a bad dealership selling their products. Great, so that would be.............?????
But there is only one Jeep Wrangler. It's not like a Honda Accord, which is pretty much the same as a Chevy Lumina, Nissan Maxima, Ford Taurus, etc, etc, etc...
However, I live with an unlimited in the city, and believe me, you have to want it. You will be more involved with a vehicle and the elements than you might want to.
Looking back on last year, I might have taken the same money and purchased a used older TJ AND a used Honda/Toyota small vehicle for the same money if I'd known gas would go to 2.70$ per gallon. However, I still love my Jeep. I sold a minivan to buy it, and can't get over how UN-invisible I now am. Every person in the fast-food windows asks me still "What is that?" "What year is it?" etc... I guess the Unlimited is still a little rare, and people do a double-take. If I'm parked somewhere, I see people walking up to it making hand gestures about the extra length. And, driving around without the top and doors in the summer gets you envious stares all day. So all in all, just rent one for a couple of days to see what it might be like to live with. If that's you, then please join us! If you choose a used Jeep for temporary duty, please also join us! Don't let the "Jeep thing, you wouldn't understand" stickers fool you, new owners are always welcome
I mean, it looked tricked out and all, but so much for buying an old cheap one to park at the ranch.
Steve, Host
Steve, check out austinjeeps.com. I grew up in the seventies and eighties, the era of the "Golden Eagle" and "Renegade" and all the other cool CJ-7's. By the time I bought my first 89 YJ, it was too late for the killer graphics on a new one. Recently, I've found myself longing to own one of the more collectible older CJ's. It wouldn't be a trail truck. Maybe even the '76 red, white and blue, or the Levi's denim CJ-5 (talk about marketing tie-ins!) or just a really well-done Golden Eagle in those proper orange or brown disco colors...
So seeing a '71 for almost 12 large threw me for a bit of a loop.
Of course that $19k house is probably $200,000 now too, but you just don't think of cars appreciating.
And no, I'm not in the market (I don't think, LOL).
Steve, Host
Also, just finished my hard top hoist (homemade) and it works like a charm. I can have the top off and suspended on the garage ceiling in about 10-15 minutes. I'll try to post some pix soon and some ball park costs.
Thank you,
David
Quick disclaimer: I think I've demonstrated pretty clearly in the past that I am not mechanically inclined, so I'll be paraphrasing quite a bit. Also, the mechanic involved is not a Jeep specialist, just a guy my family has used for 20 years and who has my implicit trust.
After a thorough inspection, my mechanic propsoed the following. That the death wobble can be traced back to the shocks. I've allegedly got the high pressure shocks that come with Package 25D. My mechanic ran the bounce test -- leaning repeatedly down on each fender. He was surprised how easy it was to bounce the Jeep and got no resistance. And when he let go, it kept bouncing. The back performed a little better. Then we tried the test on his truck. Broke a sweat getting it to bounce, and upon letting go, it bounced once and stopped. (My shocks BTW only have 24K miles on them).
He suggests that the cushy suspension may be an effort to ease the ride for street drivers. Still, he was surprised at just how cushy it was, and thinks that, paired with the solid front axle, the shocks may be the the problem when hitting bumps and washboard roads.
He recommends getting a higher grade, adjustable, after market shock.
Once again I am paraphrasing, and may have misrepresented his enitre take.
Any thoughts / reactions?
-Mike