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tonkadave - you asked the other night for RPMs at speed. These figures are with our 2001 Sport, 5 speed, factory 30" tires, 3.73 gears, in 5th gear:
55mph 1750rpms; 60mph 1950rpms; 65mph 2125rpms; 70mph 2300rpms; 75mph 2450rpms
I checked 60mph in 4th gear (I think that 4th gear in the 5 speed is equal in ration to the top gear in the Auto.):
60mph 2500rpms
All of this data is my best read of the gauges and the indicated speed. When I get my GPS, I'll let you know how accurate the speedo is.
tnt - Good the hear from you. Hope you can join us more frequently when work becomes saner for you.
2001 - I changed my plugs for Bosch Platinum at about 600 miles. It's a 30 min job if you have a decent ratchet set. See:
http://www.ewylie.com/jeep/mods.htm#sparkplugs
for details. Feel free to drop me an email if you have any questions. I'll give my home # if you need it. My email is on my page and in my profile here. If you continue to have the problem with cyl 3 after the new plugs, I would think the dealer needs to replace the coil bar. It's a sealed unit that covers the entire bank of speark plugs. I have read about people having misfire problems where swapping the coil bar fixed the problem. If that's not it, I would have to think its in a computer control module. Good luck and let us know the final diagnosis.
-twylie
Anyway, that is a GREAT web page! You have some very useful info on there. Keep it updated!
Your RPMs in 4th gear at 60 MPH are a little low compared to Thelma's. I think we are both set up the same. aren't we? Five speed, 30" tires, and Dana 44 rear end????? I think Thelma is around 2800 RPMs at 60 in fourth gear and drops off to about 2200 in fifth gear. You are right about fourth gear being the same ratio as third gear in an auto: the ratio is 1:1, according to my Jeep brochure. Fifth gear is 0.75:1, so whatever RPMs you are turning in fourth gear at a given speed should drop to 75% of that number in fifth gear.
Let's see what the theoretical, or "calculated" RPM should be for our Jeeps at 60 MPH in fifth gear. I think I'm doing this right...
At 60 MPH, you are travelling one mile per minute, or 5280 feet per minute.
Our "30 inch" tires are actually 29.5" in diameter, so their circumference would be 92.677" or 7.72308 feet.
So, dividing 5280 by 7.72308 gives 684 revolutions of the tires per mile.
Ok, we have 3.73 rartio rear ends, so the drive shaft turns 3.73 times for every revolution of the back tires. Multiplying 684 times 3.73 gives 2550 RPMs. That would be the RPMs for a 1:1 gear ratio, or third gear in an auto and fourth gear in a five speed.
Since we are in fifth gear, the RPMs would be 75% of 2550, or 1912 at 60 MPH.
Man, that makes your figure of 1950 RPMs very close, especially since you can only estimate the RPMs because of the large graduations on the gauge!
I must have been thinking of my RPMs at 65 MPH instead of 60 MPH when I said yours sounded low.
Yep, that's what I did, now that I think about it. I was doing about 2800 in fourth gear at 65 MPH and it dropped to 75% of that when I shifted to fifth, just like it was supposd to.
c ya
tsjay
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
I would think there would be more of a problem too if it had fouled more than one plug. The first time this happened, the dealer did nothing because the engine was running fine and the check engine light had gone off. I really wish I had asked the dealer to show me the plug they removed from cylinder 3 yesterday to see what it looked like.
Nice write up Trey!
I will keep you guys updated if anything else happens with this.
60MPH =2450 Rpms
65MPH= 2700 Rpms
70MPH= 2900 Rpms
Couldnt bring myself to go any faster. 3000 Rpms scares me. I think i'll stay in the right lane. The Auto Trans is great for this hilly terrain and stop and go traffic, but without that overdrive I can see how it could take a toll on your engine if you do alot of sustained highway driving.
I don't think you would be hurting your engine to run along at 3000 RPMs for extended periods, but there's no sense going that fast in a Jeep.
Just got through giving my baby girl a good bath. She's lookin' GOOD! Still have to black up her tires and vacuum the inside, but thought I would take a break and see what's shakin' here.
Talk at ya tonight.
Why don't a bunch of us get together in Gill's chat room tonight????
Let's say 7:00 PM CDST (adjust for your own time zone).
http://itsajeep.org/public/chat.html
Hope to see everyone there!!!!
tsjay
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
As far as speed goes - I go along with everyone else. 70 mph is fast enough for me, though I have driven my Wrangler up to a little more than 75. Of course, that was on the Grapevine section of the I5 when I was being passed like I was standing still. I compared gas mileage after a couple of trips at the higher speeds and discovered a good 3 mpg difference between 70+ and 65. Also, my route home is usually windy and the Wrangler REALLY reacts to the wind - even more so than what I remember a '76 3/4 ton Dodge van I once owned. So I just stay to the right and think about the money I'm saving whenever Excursions and Suburbans blow by me going 80+.
In late April, I checked my tach on the the highway. Results were as follows:
60 MPH 2250 RPM
70 MPH 2600-2650 RPM
John Thurlow
Here in Washington (state) tracts of land (state land) have been set aside for off road vehicle activities. This is more for the serious 4 wheelers, the ones that really tear up the old terra firma. We are planning some extensive trips through the cascades, via logging roads, before we are locked out of the woods altogether. Every year I go hunting access becomes more and more restricted. Writing your congress critter is about the best thing you can do.
Speed: I have had the jeep up to 80 but didn't like the way it felt at the speed, 70/75 is good enough for me. Having said that . at around 2800 rpm I am in the 85 mph area.
Got the trailer hitch on today.... 4 bolts and an hour under it saved me $70.00! Can you believe they wanted 70 bucks to put on a trailer hitch?! It droped the clearance of the rear bumper about 2", but it is still higher than the gas tank.
alee and sparx
Thanks for everything
Also I wanted to say that if you get the 3" or 2 " lift what thickness of tires are you going to get. 12.5" or 13"(Mickey Thompson). and can they fit on an 8 inch wide rim? The fatter the tire the better.
The new TJs with the coil suspension is one of the best handling Jeep I have ever driven and if a Jeep is lifted you will also be able to fit taller and wider tires which will add to the handling of your vehicle. The new Jeeps also have duel air bags, optional anti-lock brakes and they have a very good crash test score.
Is a lift TJ safe? My answer is a very big yes. Can it roll over? Yes, but I have seen lowered sports cars sitting on the sun roofs.
All the safety features in the world will not help if you don't use them, so wear your seat belts and use your head.
It looks like you live in a beautiful area. You are a lucky lady.
Now, if a certain Mr. Nkelly1 would post some nice pics of his Jeep and the Cascades....
tsjay
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
http://spike.geophys.washington.edu/recenteqs/
The center was in an area in south western Washington, right about the spot they want to build a nuclear reactor. (Satsop) Clever huh I used to hunt there but all the gates are locked now.
TsJay I have used up the roll of film yet, where are mtngal's pictures posted at?
And are you implying that you think there might be a problem with building a nuclear reactor on top of a geological fault which was at the epicenter of a recent earthquake? Please explain.
Hurry up and take the rest of the frames on that roll of film! I can't wait! Where will you be posting them? Hope you are getting some great scenery shots.
tsjay
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
I posted a message on Edmunds Jeep Owners Photo board but the pictures are on Photo Point's web site. I haven't been real interested in doing another web site, since I'm no longer with Earthlink. My internet provider (the only one with a local phone number) doesn't have free web sites. Photo Point is free for 10 pictures, and that seems like plenty for what I'll be doing with them. Now all I have to do is go through my scanned slides and find one of the jeep where it isn't covered with snow. I'd like to see one of your jeep somewhere in the Cascades - certainly pretty country. Do you ever get up into B.C.?
Jump in here and post more often! It's always good to hear from you.
tsjay
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
We had a 6.8 or 7.0 (they never did make up their mind on that) earlier this year... maybe I should hurry up getting that winch! I think I will get a small chain saw to carry around.(gonna need a trailer soon)
I have been looking at portable (non-mounted) winches too. I saw some hunters using one to winch out an elk last year, it looked pretty cool .. about the size of a chain saw without the blade. A little bit of rigging and you could get just about anything out with it.
On the pictures I still have some left on the roll, I snuck up on my sweetie while she was under the jeep . she wanted to help install the trailer hitch mount and got a couple with a wrench in her hand .. don't know if she wants, to be "posted", I'll have to ask her first. I got one of those "disposable" water proof cameras I think I'll keep one in the glove box from now on, we'll be in the woods a lot. As soon a I get them developed and scanned I'll figure out how to post them.
I don't go into Cananda...... hunting (for us) is a pain, Alaska is nice though.
For the rest of you, I met wheels in Gill's chat room last night and invited him here.
I have met a bunch of people in there that never heard of edmunds, and I have invited them here.
Gill's place and our Wrangler IV seem to complement each other very well. We can get together there and discuss the posts we've read in here. It seems that someone is always checking back in here for new posts as we are chatting at Gill's. If there are new posts, we stop chatting a few minutes and come here and read them.
It's like the best of both worlds.
Anyway, thanks for stopping by, wheels, and please stay with us.
tsjay
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
nkelly1 - We don't normally get snow like that, either - only about every 10 years or so. I don't know the Canadian rules for hunting, but I have in-laws that live up there and they get something every year. It sounds like great hunting in the northern part of the province. The last time we went up there we drove up in the Wrangler - I wasn't going to put up with the uncomfortable seats in the Tacoma for 3,000 miles. We didn't do any off-roading (it was a family thing, not a real vacation) but there were lots of interesting roads up there, and the scenery was fabulous. Just wondering about future trips...
The guys can probably give you more advise about buying a Wrangler than I can, but I think it all comes down to what do you want to do with it? I needed a vehicle that could not only go off-road, but also keep up as much as possible on a steep freeway grade. So I only considered the I6. Many people only want soft tops, others want both, while my other half insisted on a hard top. It was definitely the best choice for us, given the conditions we have up here. I have the limited slip differential, but am thinking about some type of lockers - my LSD got stuck last winter (see my picture in owner's group). I wasn't planning on getting the tinted windows (cutting down on cost), but the one I found just happened to have it. Now I wouldn't get one without it.
I'm in there now and just came to check for new posts.
tsjay
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
I can't help you, rs, but I'm sure there are some in here that can.
How you been? Post more often, Dude! It was good to hear from you again!
tsjay
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
A lift kit will not affect the gas milage too much. The added height will cause more drag in the wind and you will burn a wee bit more fuel but the real factor in losing gas milage is the tires. If you get taller tires and don't get the gears to match the ratios, you will use more fuel. Also taller tires doweight quite a bit more and it will also have more rolling resistance as well.
My Wrangler details, 1998 Sahara with only 32K miles on it, A/C, Automatic, Hard top and Soft Top, I paid $15750 for it. Not a scratch on the paint. The only thing cosmetically wrong was a little bit of rusting on around the screws on the bumper. Any suggestions on getting the rust off? Also if any of you lucky wrangler owners, have any suggestions on washing the Jeep? I thought about running the wrangler through a touchless Carwash with the Hardtop on, before I add the Soft Top? Or should I just roll up the sleaves and give it good ole scrubbing? Also any other maintenance advice would be helpful?
Thanks.
One has a 94 Wrangler, the other a 97.
They pretty much agreed that I can easily tow a 1300# boat with a 4.0 litre Wrangler. They also showed me how much room is in back. I think it is fine with the seat removed to put the dog back there. Will need to figure out a way to secure her. I also want to build a locking box for guns, stereo equipment, etc. to keep things out of sight and elements.
The 94 guy has been to several Jamborees, and just went to Pennsylvania the weekend before this last one. He has 4.0, 2.73 rear end, open differential, 31X10.5 tires on stock rims, 2.5" Skyjacker lift. He said his looks stock compared to the ones at the Jamboree, and wishes he had put in a 4" lift and bigger tires.
The 97 friend has had 2 main problems: driver door latch did not work right, and the ratcheting oil (or was it gas) cap broke so it ratched in both directions. He had to pop the cap off and open with a screwdriver! Other than that no problems.
They both recommended I get a 97 Wrangler. They decided that that was the oldest of the new style with coil springs, and therefore would be cheaper. I figure I don't care which rear end it has, since if I don't like it, I can replace aftermarket. They said the main thing to look for are scraped bumpers, differentials, exhaust, etc. to make sure it hasn't been beaten off road. They also said if it has a non-stock suspension, it has likely seen off road use, but this IS a JEEP after all. They said to expect to pay $12,000-14,000 depending on mileage.
I figure I can tow the boat, take the dog, and if no boat, buy a rack for the trailer hitch to put cooler and other gear on. I will also need a bike rack and ski rack. The 97 friend got it with soft top and purchased JEEP hardtop for like $700 or 800. They said I should get both tops if possible.
I am totally gung ho on this again, and my only remaining obstacle would be my inlaws being absolutely horrified about endangering their daughter's and her dog's lives. My wife says just take them for a ride, and they'll understand. (You really need to know these people... :-( )
mtngal
Nice pics. I would like to see a shot of the view from your house. Sounds great. You may want to look at getting a aftermarket LSD. They work better off-road than the stock one. You probabaly don't want a full time locker where you live and one that you can switch on and off can be expensive. If you have the money it is great though. For your tacoma situation you need to get on the right side eventually. Either keep it awhile longer or buy an inexpensive used car/truck and keep it a long time.
nkelly1
Are you looking at getting a multi-mount winch? I looked at these and decided against it. They can work but if you do some serious off-roading a fixed mount is better. The mulit-mounts only work well for straight pulls. It won't hold up well to an angled or sideways pull.
Great idea with keeping a camera in the Jeep. I have missed out on some great shots.
dragonfly03
3 inch lift? Whats up with that? Your boyfriend has a 3 inch lift. Get a 4 inch so you can be bigger. LOL
Just remeber to use common sense when pulling with a Jeep. If you drive too fast you can lose it. Wranglers are able to pull, it is the short wheelbase that makes it dangerous to pull too much. If you have to do any quick turning or if high winds catch the trailor you could lose control.
There are a couple tie down brackets and there is the rear seat belt brackets you could use to attach your dogs leash.
Why were your friends against a 93-95 wrangler? The leaf springs are rougher on road but the YJs could be a good option depending on how much money you can afford.
As far as looking for a Jeep that doesn't have a lift. A lot of people will lift Jeeps to fit bigger tires to just look cool.
You may not want the hard top if there is not much snow there. The soft top can make a lot of nose on the highway and can get old for some people though.
Is this Jeep going to be your daily driver?
They sell ski racks, bike racks, trail racks or reciever mounted racks for Jeeps.
Happy Jeepin'
looks like i will be ordering a 2002 wrangler.
went to my dealer today. He just got the notice that they can start taking orders on May 25,
Production starts May28. So I will have my new jeep around August 1st.
The 02' will have a premium sound system with sub woofer & tweeter.
The Fog Light/tow hook with be standard on sport
droping the Forest green color with a light
green
A new quiter AC system.
Sooo on May 25 i will place my order..
My dealer told me i could get it at invoice price!!
Take care!!
Snut
Your post keeps talking about May this and May that. I suppose you are talking about June, or at least I hope you are, cause May is a long time away!
Congrats on getting this far! I know you will really feel better after the order is placed. I think you are smart to ge the '02 and get exactly what you want rather than settle for an 01 that isn't exactly like you wanted.
All of us in here have been pulling for you, Nut, and we are glad that you are finally on your way to that new Jeep.
Now, tell us EXACTLY what you are going to order! All the options and the color... the whole sheebang!
tsjay
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
I've been meaning to ask this for awhile - on the far left side of my dash there is what looks like a small round red light. I think it's supposed to have something to do with the sentry key system. It never lights up, and I was wondering if anyone knows what it is? It's about in the middle/low part of the dash to the left of the steering wheel. Thanks for any info!
yellowman
thanks Tsjay
not 100% sure what to order. Wait till catalogs come out.
thanx for calming me down..
Snut
The Fog Light/tow hook with be standard on sport
droping the Forest green color with a light
green
A new quiter AC system."
That's the first news I've heard of them. The Sport model is what I'm looking at. I'd rather put my own sounds system in the Wrangler but I'll have to take a look and listen. I don't think I've seen a post about this, but how much do the hard doors weigh? I know most people say they are a pain to take on and off. Thanks.
Thanks for the idea of getting a better after market LSD - I didn't know that it would make a difference. One of my friends has air lockers on her truck and they sound wonderful, but out of my price range. Also, I don't know if I would really get much use out of them. I use my jeep to get to interesting places where I wouldn't normally be able to get to, rather than hard core off-roading. On the other hand, I tend to be conservative with what I do since I am driving a stock vehicle. Maybe I would go for it more if I had them.
Saharanut - I like your idea of ordering. Let us know what you end up with, and I'm sorry they have dropped the forest green color - I always liked it (though mine is black).
Believe me, I know what you are talking about when you say there's a smile on your face that won't go away. Jeeps will do that for you.
Now, limber up your fingers and start posting on a regular basis. We all love to hear about the experiences of new Jeep owners.
The good news is that the smile will still be there months from now! You just don't get tired of Jeeps.
tsjay
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
mtngal: Without going to deep into it (this being a jeep board and all) it is more of a gun control law thing in Canada. (they want you to register your rifle when you cross the border) I ain't gonna register them with a foreign country. I'll stay in the good old USA. I'll just leave it here . so I don't bore everyone with the details. )
Is there a specific order to do the procedure in.
It's a best top.
thanks,
Mark