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xwesx

andres3 said:

[....]Reasonable doubt.

Will be interesting how he testifies how near children were present. He might feel if they are present on Earth that makes it reasonable to issue citations. Hopefully the judge has a more reasonable interpretation.

All true. You are leaving it in the hands of a single person, though (the judge), so reasonable doubt doesn't technically come into play.

tjc78

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jmonroe1

@andres3, you’re a LOT more optimistic about your situation than I would be if I were you. When it comes to children’s safety, you’ll have a hard time getting any leniency from a judge/magistrate even if he/she was your cousin.

Wouldn’t it be a lot easier to obey the posted speed limit than trying to negotiate your case. Whatever time you may have saved by going over the speed limit will be more than lost by going to court.

jmonroe

andres3

jmonroe1 said:

@andres3, you’re a LOT more optimistic about your situation than I would be if I were you. When it comes to children’s safety, you’ll have a hard time getting any leniency from a judge/magistrate even if he/she was your cousin.

Wouldn’t it be a lot easier to obey the posted speed limit than trying to negotiate your case. Whatever time you may have saved by going over the speed limit will be more than lost by going to court.

jmonroe

But I was obeying ultimately, as I believe I slowed down to 25, just obeying what the sign says rather than its arbitrary location. I know on a normal speed limit sign it's fairly presumed it takes effect at the location of the sign, but not when it says "when children are present". That if A then B caveat changes things drastically in my view.

andres3

jmonroe1 said:

@andres3, you’re a LOT more optimistic about your situation than I would be if I were you. When it comes to children’s safety, you’ll have a hard time getting any leniency from a judge/magistrate even if he/she was your cousin.

Wouldn’t it be a lot easier to obey the posted speed limit than trying to negotiate your case. Whatever time you may have saved by going over the speed limit will be more than lost by going to court.

jmonroe

Also remember it's not just about time saved, its about safety and less hazard exposure which multiplies exponentially over time. Less likely to be rear-ended or crashed into by not dawdling around.

Also, if you save 15 seconds a day that's multiplied by 365 days a year. Now I know you don't work every day but it's just an example of the multiplier effect. It's significant over time, and you don't get pulled over and face court battles every year (or at least so far, I've been able to avoid annual court battles).

andres3

xwesx said:

andres3 said:

[....]Reasonable doubt.

Will be interesting how he testifies how near children were present. He might feel if they are present on Earth that makes it reasonable to issue citations. Hopefully the judge has a more reasonable interpretation.

All true. You are leaving it in the hands of a single person, though (the judge), so reasonable doubt doesn't technically come into play.

If I could have a jury trial I would. Of course that would likely mean raising the stakes.... @roadburner DA facing against you.... possible jail time. In exchange though you get an appointed defense attorney and a jury trial. Most likely if you hired a lawyer, there would be very little chance this goes to court I think. Half the fine no points and call it a day.

When CA and other States took away some due process for infraction traffic court cases it seems they wanted to keep as much resemblance of due process as possible and give you things like (no potential jail time and no DA showing up against you) in exchange for the negotiation. However, in recent decades, it seems they want to take away due process and give the people NOTHING in exchange. Well.... maybe not nothing.... they reduce the "video camera" tickets to typically pointless violations that cost you a fraction of what a real citation would. However, if a points involved, then it's close to nothing as the fine doesn't matter that much in the grand scheme of things.

explorerx4

All I can think of is.
https://youtu.be/RvV3nn_de2k

snakeweasel

andres3 said:

Also remember it's not just about time saved, its about safety and less hazard exposure which multiplies exponentially over time. Less likely to be rear-ended or crashed into by not dawdling around.

Oh I would love to see a peer reviewed study that supports that.

jmonroe1

andres3 said:

jmonroe1 said:

@andres3, you’re a LOT more optimistic about your situation than I would be if I were you. When it comes to children’s safety, you’ll have a hard time getting any leniency from a judge/magistrate even if he/she was your cousin.

Wouldn’t it be a lot easier to obey the posted speed limit than trying to negotiate your case. Whatever time you may have saved by going over the speed limit will be more than lost by going to court.

jmonroe

Also remember it's not just about time saved, its about safety and less hazard exposure which multiplies exponentially over time. Less likely to be rear-ended or crashed into by not dawdling around.

Also, if you save 15 seconds a day that's multiplied by 365 days a year. Now I know you don't work every day but it's just an example of the multiplier effect. It's significant over time, and you don't get pulled over and face court battles every year (or at least so far, I've been able to avoid annual court battles).

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Let’s keep it simple. I’m sure you, like everyone else, wastes more than 15 seconds a day doing normal daily activities. No one works to a time-clock that rigorous.

jmonroe

stickguy

I had a dentist appointment this morning and had to drive past an elementary school to get there, during arrival time (right at the end of it) so the school zone signs were flashing (meaning reduced speed limit). So I went through at 25 (well, maybe 28) and it is amazingly hard to go that slow.

explorerx4

@stickguy,
In Ohio the school speed limit is 20 mph when school zone lights are flashing.
Quite a few times I've seen police radar set up along road going by the schools.

jmonroe1

stickguy said:

I had a dentist appointment this morning and had to drive past an elementary school to get there, during arrival time (right at the end of it) so the school zone signs were flashing (meaning reduced speed limit). So I went through at 25 (well, maybe 28) and it is amazingly hard to go that slow.

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Just try to imagine how hard that must be for @andres3.

jmonroe