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He posts misinformation and then becomes upset when he is called on the carpet for it.
Of course the Escape has problems, what vehicle doesn't? Of course you are going to read about those problems here: duh! This is a great on-line whine group, and I don't blame any owner experiencing problems for a moment.
But, what vehicle doesn't have problems? Check out one of the most active sites on Town Hall: Honday Odyssey problems!
Generallys speaking, these Edmunds fora are a waste of time. You have idiots like Sharp posting, who doesn't know crap about what he is talking about. He doesn't even own an Escape.
The Yahoo Ford Escape club has over 1100 members and is truly a helpful discuussion group, with a wealth of information.
If you would not waste your time here, you would have read over there a very workable fix for the fuel odor problems!
http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/thefordescapeclub
So, if you want to continue this pity party and put up with the likes of Sharp and other sources of disinformation, stay here. If not, come over to the only worthwhile Yahoo club.
I don't know why Mr. Mccain is so angry, but real people have real problems with the Escape, lots of problems that are not getting solved. I believe those people and their posts. Hence I decided not to purchase an Escape and look at other autos. If that makes me a Moron, so be it.
If you have a factual basis for our remarks, that is one thing, but you seem given to deception and half-truths and just flat out lies.
Yes, there are problems with *some* Escapes. But that is the case with every vehicle.
The two most popular topics right now on Edmunds are "Honda Odyssey problems" and "Toyota Sienna" problems. To be consistent, you should be over there telling all owners there that they are "out of their mind" for purchasing an Escape.
I am happy that you found a vehicle that suits your tastes. Just leave then and enjoy your vehicle.
You really seem to have a need to defend your choice. That tells me you are not actually content with it.
Your weird attempt to badmouth every person who has ordered or purchased an Escape is just plain goofy.
But, I'll let you have the last word, and I quote:
"If that makes me a Moron, so be it."
Please articulate the "fix" for those of us (me) that are interested in buying an Escape & for those that already own one.
Thank You for your help on this matter
The only other problem I have is the rear window defroster does not shut off, but is always on until I push the button a second time. Otherwise the car rides well.
I'm looking at purchasing a Tribute assuming my local DEW dealer will deal on price. The several problems talked about do not really bother me. No vehicle is perfect. I always order the factory service manual and do most work that does not require a service computer myself. With on board diagnostics that most cars have the average Joe can do alot without the dealer. For the most part I don't trust dealers anyway.
Others have had this done and their problem has gone away too.
Still others have had their entire manifold replaced. My hunch is that when it is replaced the act of replacing it and putting a new one on involved tightening the bolts more tightly than they were in the factory!
BobMazda has been talking to Ford national tech reps who hav called him back to go over all these details with him.
The bottom line is that this sounds very promising. We have also received reports from Ford tech reps that an "official" fix is in the work and will be announced in January.
Hope this helps!
Verification of the source of the problem and why this fix works has now come in from Ford Technical Services.
Read this! Hope this helps those having problems!
Bob, I returned my Escape to the dealer yesterday, and they received word from Ford Technical Assistance that the fuel odor is indeed caused by a "weeping" intake manifold gasket that is absorbing fuel. Ford gave them no indication when this would be resolved, but the service manager indicated that the wait shouldn't be too long. Since we're having to park the Escape outside to avoid the smell in the living room, this fix cannot come too soon. Thanks for your help with this!
I am not about to blast out at the Tribute/Escape for its shortcomings, I believe that a couple of years from now, after all the problems have been sorted out, it would fulfill its promise as a very reliable and effecient compact SUV.
But until then, I think the Santa Fe, even with the doubts that goes with the name, is a very smart alternative.
http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/thefordescapeclub
Good luck with your purchase!
http://competitionpress.com/news/carnewstory.mv?story=na17629nb54532nc7364
As far as no problems with Hondas. My wife has a 2000 Honda Accord. We have had it in the shop twice. Once because the engine was sputtering acting like it was going to die, the second time because of a clunk when the clutch was engaged. So, please.. Stop with the bull... of Honda/Toyota are perfect...
And as much as the Ford/Mazda bashers want to disuade potential Escape/Tribute buyers. No happening. The Escape/Tribute sales continue to climb. The Escape will become the number one selling small SUV in the next year. Knocking off the RAV4 and CRV. Within the next 2-3 years the Escape/Tribute will probably sell more than both the CRV and RAV4 combined!! Granted this is speculation. But the sales numbers are on a solid climb up. And if you visit www.auto.com or www.blueovalnews.com you will see Ford remains profitable and with increased sales....
One extra thing. When our dealer got the car on the lot he immediately called us and said it was in. I imagine it was because we were in just about every other day asking about it. Anyhow we had all our paperwork ready and were able to get it from them within just a few hours of when it was off loaded from the truck. If you get there as quick as we did make sure you tell the people that prep the car and wash it to double check the moon roof before washing it. The space cadet people that prepped our car did not fully seal the moon roof before they washed it and we had to spend another 30-45 minutes waiting for the sunshade to dry. They were more than accommodating and apologized a number of times as they should. It was mostly dry before we left and we have not yet seen any more water. I am so far convinced that the moon roof was left open accidentally during the washing and it is not a leak because it has been around zero degrees up here for the last week and I think if it were leaking during convoy it would have frozen and there was no indication that it was frozen. I could be wrong though. I did however look very closely before we left since we had not even a tenth of a mile on it yet. Strike one for the dealership staff but none for Ford as of today. I am still really excited and my wife is just giddy. No punches pulled and I will keep you up to snuff. Being objective is the best way to benefit from these discussions so keep an open mind to others without being disrespectful--please.
Talk to you soon----------------Enjoy
Vince8 - Of course there are going to be problems with Hondas and Toyotas. The issue with reliability is not "which car has a perfect record?", rather it's more like "how can I reduce the chances of having problems?" Statistically, the Toyos and Hondas have an edge. The fact that the CR-V is rated near 80% higher than the industry average does NOT mean every CR-V that comes off of the lot will have 80% fewer problems. Sometimes numbers don't add up to reality. But, then again, most of the time they do. That's how the stats people got the numbers in the first place.
Also, saleswise, the Cherokee has been the mini-ute to beat for the past three of four years. Average monthly sales have been near 10K, while the CR-V followed at about 8K. Everything else (RAV4, Forester, Xterra,...) have been below 4K. I fully expect the Escape to become sales champ for the next year, but many buyers are waiting for Ford to finish the designing process and get the bugs out. By then Saturn and Rover will be in the game, and Jeep and Honda will have redesigned products on the road.
1. Two different dealerships have told me that Mazda is no longer producing Tributes with ABS. First of all, has anyone else heard this and if so, why? And if it is true, wondering how important ABS is for the vehicle. Heard both good and bad things about ABS, and wondering if ABS is really necessary.
2. Has anyone recently had problems with wipers and fuel smell? Dealership told me that they check for the problem before delivery and have had no return problems whatsoever.
3. Final questions concerns paying for the car. I've been told that because Tributes are in such high demand, the prices on the vehicles are non-negotioable - they're really truly asking MSRP. Now, all of the dealerships in my area are pre-selling most of their vehicles even before they get on the lot. Is this just a bunch of BS or have other people had this problem?
thanks for your help - look forward to some good input.
2. Wipers have been corrected, fuel smell is being corrected.
3. Prices are always negotiable, it is just a matter of learning and taking the right steps.
Read back through the posts on Tribute and Escape to find the detailed information you need. If you order it is about a 3 month wait.
So, beware of OVERestimating the problems!
The Horn didn't work, so the dealer repaired it just prior to delivering it to me. I just filled up for the first time and found that the fuel filler housing (plastic neck) is broken. Oh well, back to the dealer for repairs on Tuesday.
Can anyone confirm what type of mileage they are getting with their new V6 Tribute?
The reason for my question is: I just travelled about 80 miles and put 6.5 gallons in? I've heard of break-in but wow, that's ridicules.
I have read about the previous fuel leak problems with the Tribute and wonder if maybe my vehicle has one. I can't see any leaks under it or smell any gas odor in the Trib.
I'll keep my eye on it and see if maybe the fuel economy was a first time fluke.
The ABS works superbly, just used it in a heavy snow on the Smoky Mtns. and it is much quieter with less vibration to the pedal than the ABS found on some of our patrol vehicles (Suburbans, Blazers and Expeditions). The 4-WD is great, but the front wheel drive does so well, even in 6" of snow and drifts over a foot, with steep winding roads, the 4-WD wasn't needed. It was nice to have in case of emergency, but so far, I haven't found a slick mountain road that needs it.
It's amazing that you have such insight to the problems Escape/Tribute owners. It's good to know that they're all OVERestimated. Any other sure fire predictions you have for this forum as it seems like you're all-knowing?
I bet all those "problems" Ford had with the Pinto were all overblown too.
Does Ralph Nader give you nightmares?
But then again I am just a moron according to mccain.
BTW, aren't you being a hippocrate. You don't own an Escape either and yet you get to bash it.
Take it easy rsharp and buy and Escape you'll be HAPPY!!
Do not buy one. They should be banned from the highways.
(The more people who believe this, the less people will buy one and the sooner I'll get mine!)
Happy New Year!
Also for the record, I likely will buy the Sante Fe. I cannot afford a Lexus RX300, the Toyota Highlander is too far away and would probally exceed my price range, the Subaru's with a 6 cyl. are way overpriced and hard to find, and I ruled out the Escape/tribute because it lacks quality and the dealers are not standing behind them if you do get one with problems.
oh yeah, zero problems with our es 4x4....very nice indeed.
I used to think you were just a moronic crank, but now I recognize you are doing me a personal service by discouraging people from buying an Escape. Telling people they are "out of their minds" -- as you did -- might be a bit over the top. Perhaps a more subtle approach might be more discouraging. Just a thought.
I'll get mine sooner, so thanks!
: )
Happy New Year
Did you press in the front bumper with your finger, how about the front wheel fender. They seem weak. They move{ok flex}too much for me. I wasn't laying into it either. Supposedly, rated for 5mph. Has anyone looked at that issue?
I don't dislike Fords, but am looking at other options.
And you "guys" are pretty entertaining reading.
I have noticed a few minor items that have bothered me and would appreciate any feedback on these items:
1. I have noticed a whistling sound while traveling down the road. It appears to be the wind against the luggage rack. I thought about moving the rails.
2. I occasionally hear a thump sound in front of the driver's side of the car. I am not sure what it is.
3. A few times when I first start the car I have a slight gas smell. However, just at first and it does not linger. I have read where others have had to keep their car outside of the garage due to the smell. I have not experienced that problem.
I shopped all of the SUV's and thought for the money this was the best SUV out there. It was substantially better thant he Honda CRV and the Toyota RAV 4. It is much bigger, handles better and looks better. I got the ES. I am also quite impressed with the pick up.
Any information on the Wilderness tires. I called Firestone and they said the problem was with the AT Wilderness tires and not those on the Tribute.
I know this. the Tributes are selling very well and discounts are hard to find. I did get about $1,200 of the sticker.