I spotted an (insert obscure car name here) classic car today!

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  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,209
    andre1969 said:

    Out in the parking lot by the liquor store today, I spotted this little gem...
    Sorry, for the bad resolution; it was a zoom-in.

    I wish you had a poorer-resolution pic, say 4x4...
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,139
    I knew someone who had an early Aztek, back when they all had the gray lower body contrast. His was black though, so that toned down the look of it, somewhat.

    From what I've heard, the people that have owned them, actually loved them. They were pretty comfortable, and practical. And once you were inside it, you didn't have to look at it. 🤣

    Although honestly, if it just had a slightly lower beltline, and they got rid of that secondary level of lights and grille inlets across the top, it wouldn't look half bad.
  • thebeanthebean Member Posts: 1,317
    Agree with @andre1969. I have always been a bit enamored with the Aztec, to be frank. It’s a real function over form vehicle and now that I’m older and don’t care what anyone thinks, I don’t mind saying I like them.
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  • sdasda Member Posts: 7,739

    @thebean said:
    Agree with @andre1969. I have always been a bit enamored with the Aztec, to be frank. It’s a real function over form vehicle and now that I’m older and don’t care what anyone thinks, I don’t mind saying I like them.

    I think it looks best in solid black. Kind of a bat mobile mini van. It had some innovative optional interior features. The jacked up look from the rear didn't enhance its looks either.

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 54,321
    andre1969 said:

    I knew someone who had an early Aztek, back when they all had the gray lower body contrast. His was black though, so that toned down the look of it, somewhat.

    From what I've heard, the people that have owned them, actually loved them. They were pretty comfortable, and practical. And once you were inside it, you didn't have to look at it. 🤣

    Although honestly, if it just had a slightly lower beltline, and they got rid of that secondary level of lights and grille inlets across the top, it wouldn't look half bad.

    Andre, wasn't that basically the Buick version they came out with? That just looked boring.

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  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,209
    While the styling was odd, the 'worst car' label attached to the Aztek by a number of lists is nonsense. Decent car underneath.
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 17,143
    edited December 2025

    I remember the first Aztek I saw. I was working near Youngstown and took I-76 home to Kent normally. There was a bad accident so I took route 224 home. Near Lordstown a bright yellow one with “D3 GM” on the license plate pulled out in front of me. I was pretty stunned by the styling, lol.

    The only cars I think were styled worse afterwards were the Nissan Cube and Juke.

    I always believe, however, that volume tends to normalize bad or at least ‘meh’ styling.

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  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,139
    stickguy said:

    Andre, wasn't that basically the Buick version they came out with? That just looked boring.

    The Buick Rendezvous still had the high beltline and awkward proportions. And that minivan-esque "Cab-forward" look (or what I think they call "set-back-front axle" on big trucks) doesn't do it any favors. According to Google's AI, the Rendezvous/Aztek actually share their windshield with the minivans of the era, so most likely the whole cowl area is identical. So, having it so heavily based on the minivans, I think it's going to have awkward proportioning, no matter how tasteful the styling details might be. I think the Rendezvous had a longer wheelbase though, so its proportions weren't as stubby as the Aztek.

    I think its front-end is a bit too exaggerated, as well. There's just too many conflicting shapes and lines, in my opinion. And the way the C-pillar slopes down and the taillights wrap, it almost looks like someone sliced off the rear at a 45 degree angle, and then just slopped something random on it.

    I think where the Rendezvous had its strong points was the interior. It's been ages since I've seen one, but I seem to recall the interiors actually seemed pretty high quality, whereas the Aztek was typical Pontiac "Body by Fisher, interior by Fisher-Price". And that longer wheelbase probably contributed to a bit more interior room.
  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 17,507
    At the end of the day the Aztec has to be considered cool.... I mean, it was Walter White's car! B)


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  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,713
    I remember getting an Aztek rental for a business trip shortly after they came out but were still an uncommon sight on the roads. I felt odd driving it because you could tell that people were staring at it, and you. I remember sitting in a line of stop-and-crawl traffic next to a vehicle with some little kids in it and they were all staring and laughing at it. I had to drive to a destination about 150 miles away and it drove well, actually, but I couldn't get past the goofy styling.

    I also recall not too long after visiting the local Pontiac dealer on a Sunday and discovering they had 40 or 50 of them on the lot in every color available. The bright yellow and acid green ones were especially attractive. :D

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  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,786
    Recognizing the styling pieces on the Aztek were awkwardly put together, I still think if that vehicle had come from Nissan, Toyota, or another, the styling would have been accepted better.

    The Rendevouz drove nicely. We moved our son into a dorm at OSU using our friend's to carry all the stuff he took with him. Lots of room.

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  • gsemikegsemike Member Posts: 2,464

    Recognizing the styling pieces on the Aztek were awkwardly put together, I still think if that vehicle had come from Nissan, Toyota, or another, the styling would have been accepted better.

    The Rendevouz drove nicely. We moved our son into a dorm at OSU using our friend's to carry all the stuff he took with him. Lots of room.

    Pontiacs of the era were all too much. Their version of building excitement meant a lot bumps and holes.

    They tried to do something different and the car had some good ideas. The packaging just killed it. On that one, the front clipped being replaced and not color matched, doesn't help.
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,209
    Weren't the Aztek and Rendevouz based on the 'Dustbuster' GM minivans?
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 17,143

    Were much later than the Dustbusters.

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  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,209
    edited December 2025
    You're right, they're on the steel unit-construction GMT200 platform, the successor to the 'Dustbuster' spaceframe + plastic GMT 199 chassis:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_U_platform#Second_generation
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,876
    The "bottle nose" vans that IIRC do not fare well in crash tests.

    I think time has been kind to the Aztek. I loathed it when new, but it doesn't offend me now, a quirky curiosity that would have been more successful 10-15 years later.
  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,713
    Styling aside, the thing about the Azeri and Rendevous that both suffered from was the stance. Both looked too high for the wheels, especially in the back end. I remember seeing the original Aztec concept that stood lower and more planted which looked much better.

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  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,786
    ab348 said:

    Styling aside, the thing about the Azeri and Rendevous that both suffered from was the stance. Both looked too high for the wheels, especially in the back end. I remember seeing the original Aztec concept that stood lower and more planted which looked much better.

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  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,209
    Another 'too tall' GM, the first-gen SRX, IMO:

  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,713
    I know Apple devices are supposed to be virus-free, but I swear that mine has one from the bizarre auto-correct behavior I’ve seen lately. Azeri for Aztec?

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  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 17,143
    edited December 2025

    Andre, did you see the 13k mile ‘67 Executive Hardtop Coupe the other day on barn finds? It reminded me of you. Since I can only sign into Edmund’s with my phone now, copying or cutting and pasting a website isn’t intuitive to me.

    It’s the light green metallic which was called Mountain Green on our old ‘67 Chevelle.

    I find an Executive interesting due to the comparatively low (for GM) production.

    I always wondered what would have compelled someone to order an Executive instead of a Bonneville. Yes, cheaper but I don’t think dramatically so. I used to think it was for people who wanted the longer wheelbase but didn’t want fender skirts and wanted the protective side molding which wasn’t available that year on the Bonneville even optionally. Although, this particular Executive has the optional skirts.

    The Ventura was trimmed inside identically to the Executive. Only difference is the wheelbase.

    My hunch is that fewer Executives were ordered than Bonnevilles and most were probably purchased in dealer inventories due to color, whatever.

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  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 17,143

    Thank you.

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,876
    The Youtuber who makes the "cars in old TV shows" series just released a new one, as it has been discussed here in the past some might find it interesting:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8cQZ45OuI4

    I need to suggest Dennis the Menace for the next one.
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 17,143

    The ‘60 Plymouth front wheel opening and trim is the most bizarre I can remember.

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  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,786

    Chrysler was using Italian styling iirc. I remembered the styling model that sank with the Andrea Dorian shipwreck. The Norseman.

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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 21,117
    Some of you like those older TV series and this just popped up on my YT feed.
    It says 2 1.2 hours(?)
    Streets of San Francisco.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0rycjVzSZ4
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  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,713
    That was a pretty good series though after Douglas left it went off the rails. That YT selection is (I think) the pilot TV movie with an early series episode added to the end, hence the long running time. They could really make those early ‘70s full-size Fords go hard!

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  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,139
    For the most part, the Bonneville outsold the Executive by a pretty wide margin for '67. The one exception was 4-door pillared sedans. The Executive sold 19,861, compared to the Bonneville's zero. The Bonneville wouldn't offer a pillared sedan until 1968, but it was outsold by the hardtop sedan by a wide margin.

    Looking back at it through modern eyes, the Executive really doesn't make much sense. The other three models: hardtop sedan, hardtop coupe, and wagon, were under 10K units apiece. My Catalina convertible, which sold 10,033 units that year, was more popular than any Executive body style, with the exception of the 4-door pillared sedan. They only sold 6,931 units of that hardtop coupe!

    They could have just given the Bonneville a 4-door pillared sedan, gotten rid of the Executive, and called it a day. But, maybe having the Executive around, and letting it have the pillared sedan and not the Bonneville, gave the Bonneville a bit more prestige. And it probably didn't cost GM much money to come up with the Executive. It gave them a wider volume to amortize the 124" wb models, and offering its interior as the Ventura option on the Catalina helped spread that cost around, as well.

    A lot of people get hung up on size, length, and the "mine's bigger" mentality. So in that respect, the Executive was probably a lot of car for the money. Price-wise, it roughly split the difference between the Catalina and the Bonneville, so from a marketing standpoint, that might have made Pontiac look like it had more of the market covered. The Catalina hardtop coupe was $2,951, versus $3,227 for the Executive and $3,448 for the Bonneville.

    The 124" wb models didn't have any more passenger room than the Catalina, but they had a lot more trunk space. A longer wheelbase tends to give you a smoother, less choppy ride, although I don't know if 3" is going to make much difference once you get up into these sizes. And the further forward from the rear axle the back seat is, the more comfortable the back seat tends to be. But again, I don't know if 3" would make that much difference. And it's not like either had the back seat shoved back between the wheel openings, as was more common once downsizing became popular.

    When I was a kid, the neighbors in back of my grandparents had a 1970 Executive. It was a darkish green, similar to my grandparents' '72 Impala's Sequoia, but I think the Executive's green was called "Pepper", maybe. I'm picturing it as a 4-door hardtop, and may have even referred to it as that in the past, but now that I think about it, I honestly can't remember if it was a hardtop or pillared.

    These neighbors also had a farm up in Pennsylvania, and ended up moving up there in the early 80's, but we'd still see them from time to time. In 1979, someone gave my Mom an Irish setter, and he was just too big, and had too much energy, for us to take care of. The neighbors said they'd take the dog, and he could live on the farm, and we did that in 1980.

    Years later though as an adult, I learned that the phrase "Oh, he's going to live on a farm" is a common thing parents tell their kids when they're really sending the dog to the pound, or having it euthanized! I was horrified! But I asked Mom about that, and she said no, don't worry, that dog really DID go to live on the Marlowes' farm!
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,139
    edited December 2025
    First, I learn that turkeys can't fly, and now this! Oh, the HUMANITY!!




  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,876
    andre1969 said:

    First, I learn that turkeys can't fly, and now this! Oh, the HUMANITY!!

    "One Magic Christmas" ~1985, Mary Steenburgen is the leading name. Somewhat forgotten and underrated movie, one I remember clearly from back in the day, in some part no doubt due to the car chase/crash scene.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 21,117
    Turkey's can fly, so you don't have to worry about that one..
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  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,139
    fintail said:

    andre1969 said:

    First, I learn that turkeys can't fly, and now this! Oh, the HUMANITY!!

    "One Magic Christmas" ~1985, Mary Steenburgen is the leading name. Somewhat forgotten and underrated movie, one I remember clearly from back in the day, in some part no doubt due to the car chase/crash scene.
    I remember watching it on tv when it had its network premiere. I just looked it up...I didn't realize it was a theatrical release. I always thought it was a tv movie. I remember the car going off the bridge distinctly, though. Being a Christine fan, that was traumatizing! I also didn't know what a Canadian Dodge was back then, so I always remembered the car as being a '58 Plymouth. I hadn't even thought about that movie in ages, until someone posted some screen grabs of it on a Forward Look facebook page.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,876
    andre1969 said:

    fintail said:

    andre1969 said:

    First, I learn that turkeys can't fly, and now this! Oh, the HUMANITY!!

    "One Magic Christmas" ~1985, Mary Steenburgen is the leading name. Somewhat forgotten and underrated movie, one I remember clearly from back in the day, in some part no doubt due to the car chase/crash scene.
    I remember watching it on tv when it had its network premiere. I just looked it up...I didn't realize it was a theatrical release. I always thought it was a tv movie. I remember the car going off the bridge distinctly, though. Being a Christine fan, that was traumatizing! I also didn't know what a Canadian Dodge was back then, so I always remembered the car as being a '58 Plymouth. I hadn't even thought about that movie in ages, until someone posted some screen grabs of it on a Forward Look facebook page.
    As a kid I recall thinking it was wasteful to destroy what looked like a cool enough old car. Not a high value car especially then and not pristine, but it appeared to be sound and to have survived in that climate means someone probably cared for it. I guess that was normal in the mid 80s - I recall seeing a 59 Cadillac flat top at a local demo derby around 1985-86, that seemed bad to me too, but who knows what the car was like beforehand.
  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 17,507
    I'm pretty good with 80s movies, and this one I have zero recollection of.

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  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,786
    Saw a perfect S10 pickup today. Most have rust or show results of being unloved, but this one was perfect. Must have been garaged all its life.

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  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 17,143

    There’s a perfect looking red and white, early S-10 in Tahoe trim around here too, with a cap. I like those early ones for styling, in and out. The one around here has whitewalls, factory Rally Wheels and chrome trim.

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  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 17,507
    I enjoyed my 99 S10. It was the perfect second vehicle.

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  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,786
    I saw two Ford pickups on a flatbed carrier being trucked eastbound here in W. Ohio.
    They were 60s or 70s. One white; other light blue and white.

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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 21,117
    Pretty good story about GM and the original Mustang.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfGy3jB_4NU
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  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,786
    Interesting video.

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  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 17,143
    edited December 2025

    Pulled two spaces from me at the post office today.
    I approached the older, big-bearded owner, telling him it was nice to see one. He said he didn’t buy it new, then said “Guess how many miles?”. He then said “Five hundred thousand”.

    It looked rougher than the pic implies.

    He said it’s a ‘98.

    He said when he was still working he drove it all over Ohio and Michigan.

    He also said he has a ‘97 Stratus that’s “like new at 108,000 miles” which he bought new. He said he kept it as his “Sunday car”.

    Calling andres3! Lol

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  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 17,143

    My friend with the Viper said about this pic, that old chestnut, “Mopar or no car!”

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  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 18,015


    I approached the older, big-bearded owner, telling him it was nice to see one. He said he didn’t buy it new, then said “Guess how many miles?”. He then said “Five hundred thousand”.

    It looked rougher than the pic implies.

    He said it’s a ‘98.

    He said when he was still working he drove it all over Ohio and Michigan.

    He also said he has a ‘97 Stratus that’s “like new at 108,000 miles” which he bought new. He said he kept it as his “Sunday car”.

    Calling andres3! Lol

    Very cool to see one still on the road! I mean, they were literally everywhere 25 years ago, and I don't even recall the last time I saw one in person, let alone in driving shape. Was it a manual transmission? It's a much different life expectancy game for those Neons if they did not have the glass automatic.
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  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 17,143

    I asked him. He said “automatic”.

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  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 18,015
    :o
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  • sdasda Member Posts: 7,739
    https://youtu.be/Bse290OlsK8?si=Yspt8pwyo8pX9MIK
    I really liked these when they were introduced. They really had some clever and useful features. Too bad the 4 speed transmission was not reliable for the first year or so. It is eye opening to see how braking distances, acceleration times and general driving dynamics have improved dramatically since then.

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  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 17,143
    edited December 2025

    I liked those cars. I knew a guy at work who had that same car and color but in two-door. Probably the first time ever I preferred the sedan to the coupe in anything.

    Those cars were one of the few times I thought the Olds version looked better than the Buick or Cadillac.

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  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 17,143

    Of course I can’t figure a way to link or copy to my phone, but if you like ‘58 Fords, a beautiful Fairlane 500 Club Victoria (I think that’s what the two-door hardtop was called) sold recently on FB Marketplace. I had seen the car on a club tour of a private collection several years ago. It’s a fifties Ford I would love to own. Google “1958 Ford Fairlane 500 for sale Youngstown”. It’s two-tone blue and has 17.9k miles.

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