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  • troop2shostroop2shos Member Posts: 235
    I just got back home from a business trip in Missouri. I was surprised to find 20+ Troopers in the hotel parking lot. As it turned out, a company was having a sales meeting & Troopers are bought for all of their managers as company vehicles. I was driving my SHO & thought I missed a Trooper convention. Maybe I should have applied for a job..... :)
  • boxtrooperboxtrooper Member Posts: 843
    http://www.tracrac.com/

    Another radical rack solution
  • cwleighcwleigh Member Posts: 8
    Anyone know of a good place to look for four stock, late model Troopers rims? The 5 spoke are preferable but I'd consider the 'lace' style as well. I've poked around on Ebay but had no luck...
    Thanks, Chris (cwleigh@hotmail.com)
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    I can get 5 98 amigo 16" wheels. Not sure if those are your fancy, but let me know I think the guy wants like $400+ shipping for em.

    -mike
  • sdc2sdc2 Member Posts: 780
    Those look very nice. I would love to get a sport rack that is quiet and mounts to the factory anchor points.

    I sent the North American address an email to inquire about where to get one...
  • tkevinblanctkevinblanc Member Posts: 356
    If you go to the Rola site mentioned in post 3401, look up the Holden Jackaroo, right?
  • breakorbreakor Member Posts: 398
    This guy's might still be for sale.

    http://www.outdoorwire.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=15&t=001042
  • boxtrooperboxtrooper Member Posts: 843
    There was no rack attachment to the stock threaded holes that I was aware of a couple years ago when I was looking into Rola. They will mount to the sheet metal like most all the other OEM roof racks do.
    The only complete roof racks I have known of that use the Trooper's unique built in mounting points are the expedition racks from Overlander and ECB (ECB looks more aerodynamic to me but is $700 to $800) and the very lightly (too lightly built for holding a bicycle) built skiis only rack that was available from Isuzu for a short while.
    So, the choice must be made between OEM looking aerodynamic rack or sturdy expedition rack or something in between with some home engineering.
    I think the sheet metal attaching points are srtong enough to hold the light aerodynamic racks in place.
    I selected to make my own to avoid the wind resistance of the Overlander expedition rack. I did not know of the ECB at the time or I might have used it. I use the roof rack for canoes and as a handle to walk on the rear tires then on the rear bumper then on the trailer to retrieve the boat.
  • arktrooper1arktrooper1 Member Posts: 101
    Mike - someone who works at wal mart hq in bentonville has a disco with a roof rack and one of those hannibal rooftop tent setups! - VERY COOL! (although i havent seen it unfolded) - i got on their website (british company) and checked it out - the ecb rack looks great too! - where would i go on the net to look at the tent set-up for the trooper/jackaroo? - does ecb sell it or could i find out from them? - have you actually seen one? - reason i am asking is i want to start camping again this summer with my son - thanks for any info! - Dave
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Dave, ECB does sell the tent for the rack. Check out http://www.ecb-usa.com and i'm sure they can check with ECB in australia on a price for the tent.


    -mike

  • troop2shostroop2shos Member Posts: 235
    With the unusually warm winter, I was concerned that I wouldn't get the opportunity to put my Trooper through its paces in measurable snow. A snow thunderstorm hit early this morning dumping 6+ inches of snow in a 2 hour period over a solid sheet of ice & I just got back from a test drive. Having driven other 4wd's in the snow in the past, I can't say enough about the very fine handling capabilities of the Troop & its different characteristics in TOD & part-time low.
    Thanks to the list which guided my purchase last June!
    Now if I can only manage to sneak the Troop out more for some off-road time without getting caught (missed cleaning some mud off the last time).
  • cwmosercwmoser Member Posts: 227
    I saw Paisan's reference to ECB Australia and found this website:


    http://www.ecb.com.au/frames_page.htm


    Note the Australian version of the Trooper - called the Jackeroo. I kinda like the grill and the bumper/bullbar - their grill looks like it is all blacked out. And the hood scoop I assume is only on the desiel version.

  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    The Holden grille is cool. And the scoope is for the Turbo-Diesel models as you saw. :) I am going to get the Big Tube Bar for my Trooper in matching silver as soon as I can afford it.

    -mike
  • jcotjcot Member Posts: 3
    Do any of you know who makes a full roof rack for hauling canoes and kayaks on a Trooper? I want one that reaches the full length of the roof, not one that mounts at the windows. I believe Yakima makes one with rails that can be screwed onto the roof and then their rack attaches to those. I'm looking for options to compare to the Yakima because what they have to offer isn't all that great. Isuzu makes nothing at all.

    I wrote a while back about the gas mileage on my new 2001 when I was getting around 11 mpg. Now that the vehicle is broken in, the mileage matches Isuzu's estimates.
  • cwleighcwleigh Member Posts: 8
    Thanks for the leads! The outdoorwire lead won't allow me to email that guy for some reason and it's an Oct '01 listing... As for the Amigo rims I don't know if the hole in the center is the same size as the Trooper. The bolt pattern should work. I'll poke around for a picture of some Amigo's to see what those rims look like and if I want them. Thanks again...
    Chris L.
  • sdc2sdc2 Member Posts: 780
    When I called up the long wheel base 4dr Holden Jackaroo on the Aussie Rola site, there is a small picture saying something about mounting to factory mount points, but you can't tell if that is a Jackaroo in the pic, or just a general statement that may or may not apply to a Jackaroo.

    No response to my email so far...
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    They will fit our hubs.

    -mike
  • cwmosercwmoser Member Posts: 227
    On the topic of Jackeroos, anyone know how much Holden sells them for in Australia. I wonder if they are less expensive than a comparably equiped American Trooper? I know the Jackeroos are right hand drive, but I wonder if they can be imported into the US?
  • dielectric7bbdielectric7bb Member Posts: 324
    I don't think you can get them with TOD, only the part-time shift on the fly system. Am I wrong??? Importing problems: emissions and safety. Since the name is different from 'Isuzu Trooper' I can easily see the U.S. government getting confused :)
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Its on their equivilent to LS and Limited.

    -mike
  • uniconunicon Member Posts: 18
    My wife's key remote quit working, and all accessories are warrantied for a year. I replaced batteries, etc. Trooper is a 1999.

    Anyone know an alternative to the $65 to reprogram, plus replacement part cost?

    Thanks,
    Unicon
  • breakorbreakor Member Posts: 398
    They are listed all the time on Ebay starting at around $10. I don't know what the final price usually turns out to be.

    Try searching here, the outdoorwire, and the vmag site for the programming instructions as this is a routinely occuring topic.
  • bsmart1bsmart1 Member Posts: 377
    Everybody's always looking to get a leg up on vehicle performance. We all want more power or better fuel economy and do all kinds things to get it. Take a look at this website. http://www.baat.com/superbat/ I plan to give some of this product a try and see what happens. It seems to be priced reasonably, if it can deliver.

    Happy Trooping ;->
  • dielectric7bbdielectric7bb Member Posts: 324
    'TVT is different from other additives on the market.' No it's not!

    'It is an anti-friction metal treatment that interacts chemically with the metal and penetrates into the wear surface 3-5 microns. The metal penetration occurs as a result of the normal heat and pressure of an engine or of machinery.' That's how oxidation (rust) works too!

    'Reduced friction improves engine or machinery operation, lowers operating temperatures and reduces wear and tear on the metal components that cause engine or machinery component failure.' Didn't see any evidence of this.

    I call it snake oil.
  • serpico1serpico1 Member Posts: 30
    hi all..i am looking hard at the trooper along with a LR disco, but is it possible that they are giving these beautys away soon?? since they are no longer making them, can one buy or will be able to buy a S model at about 19,900 and an LS for maybe 24 and maybe a limited for 28,000..any thoughts..? for that price it would be a bargain? anyone else thinking along my lines of thought?

    regards to all..eric
  • bluedevilsbluedevils Member Posts: 2,554
    compared with other SUVs, Isuzu has been giving away the Trooper for several years now. You might do better on price if you wait a few more months, or you might discover that the supply has dwindled and you can't get what you want.

    My advice: don't wait too long in hopes that the price will fall drastically.
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Price isn't going to go down much this year. I know all the dealers in my area are not stocking any 2002 Troopers, only ordering on an order by order basis.

    -mike
  • jimmyp1jimmyp1 Member Posts: 640
    My local Isuzu dealer had brand new Suburbans and Tahoes sitting on the lot right next to Troopers. Suppose that's the incentive they are giving the dealers?

    Jim
  • flyinlowflyinlow Member Posts: 62
    I got an email reply today from a guy at Rhino, saying they have a rack that will mount to the Troop's roof threads. He wanted more info from me so he could recommend the most suitable rack. I'll post what happens when I hear back.
  • arktrooper1arktrooper1 Member Posts: 101
    serpico1 - my advice, the same as paisan's "dont wait too long!" - the reality is that you WILL realize if/when you own a Trooper that they are a "bargan" at or close to their actual list - the undeservedly harsh reviews that some (edmunds, consumer reports) have conspired to bring an end to the Trooper (along with their "partner" GM) have, ironically, made it possible to enjoy one of the best overall (IMHO) SUV's ever produced at unbelievably low prices

    paisan - thanks for the info on the tent/rack - isnt the "IAC" link for ECB USA your company? - no problem if it is, of course:) but just curious

    although im more of a "lurker" these days, i still check this site out and enjoy it immensely!

    btw, great posts on the axiom folder about the edmunds reviewer's unfair and unsubstantiated railing on the axiom and isuzu's in general and kudos to you "tidester" for your sense of humor about it!:)))

    later everyone! - Dave (arktrooper1)
  • arktrooper1arktrooper1 Member Posts: 101
    go to edmunds new car section as if you were going to buy a car - sure izuzu gets beat up, but we all knew that - go to land rover and check that out as well - not a pretty sight! - face it, everybody, the "PC" trend is (sadly) away from "traditional" SUV's and toward "crossover" SUV's - with the EXCEPTION of ANY Subaru (which ive always liked) and the Audi Allroad, make mine a "traditional" any day! - if i want another car, ill buy one! - Dave (arktrooper1)
  • cwmosercwmoser Member Posts: 227
    Beat up? Anyone who *owns* an Isuzu knows it is a well made vehicle. I have 36,000 miles on my 1999 and it drives as good as when it was new, it has that "tight" well made substanital feel, and it has a offers lot more than those other SUV's that people have the *perception* are better.
  • bstone3bstone3 Member Posts: 97
    Posted here a few days ago about the 15K maintenance requirements. According to the manual which I have in my lab - the front and rear differential fluids are to be changed - shaded blocks of schedule. Also the transfercase fluid. Lube the body and chassis (just where?) Lube the rear propellar shaft (what is this?) and a whole bunch of check items. But on a separate page it says only to replace the differential fluids at 15k if driven under harsh conditions. The dealer mentioned to skip all the fluid changes until 30K with exception of the oil and that I'm not invalidating the warranty. Confusing - opinions?
  • bluedevilsbluedevils Member Posts: 2,554
    The severe service schedule in the manual overdoes it by quite a bit, IMO. There's no reason to change most of those fluids at 15k miles, IMO. The only reason would be to keep warranty coverage intact, but I can't imagine Isuzu, or most other manufacturers, ever trying to blame a problem on the owner not changing some fluids at 15k miles. 15k is just too early! Besides, the manufacturer would need to prove that the problem was CAUSED by the lack of maintenance, and this is not an easy case to make.
  • breakorbreakor Member Posts: 398
    Most of the lube requirements are for things like door hinges, seat tracks, etc. The only zerk fittings, or places for zerks, that I have ever found, or read about, are the 3 on the rear drive shaft.

    Like I noted before I would at least do the fluid changes per the book. This seems to me to be very cheap longevity insurance. Then again if you have to pay dealer prices, or watch Iffy Lube like a hawk so that they don't screw something up, it may not be worth the cost/hassle.
  • ramblinonramblinon Member Posts: 80
    After ten months of experiencing my 2001 Limited I just can't believe what a fantastic truck it is. The build quality is simply outstanding. The only problem is that my wife has also grown attached to the Trooper and has come up with every excuse in the book why she "needs" it for the day. LOL. I am delighted in the size, the storage space, the ease of parking, the solid feel cruising on the interstate and the dag gone seats as just perfect for me. When people get into my Trooper for the first time they are clearly shocked at the pleasantness of the experience. I have my fingers crossed that the Trooper wannabee replacement comes with an Isuzu truck engine and the TOD. This truck is just to much fun.....I feel spoiled and I love the feeling.
  • serpico1serpico1 Member Posts: 30
    checked prices in canada..the 2002 limited 4 by 4 is 28,400 in US $$..with the exchange..that is almost free!!!! i know one can bring a nissan and infinity back in from toronto and vancouver..can one bring an isuzu back...anyone know for sure? i know acura does not allow this....if this is the case i would certainly fly in and drive it back..

    regards,,eric
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    a Limited for like what $19K?

    -mike
  • amigo_johnamigo_john Member Posts: 107
    after reading all of the crappy Edmunds reviews and then looking at all of the positive posts for the Trooper, Rodeo, Axiom, Amigo and VX! The 98 Rodeo is the only one that seems to get any complaints. I own a 98 Amigo and have been VERY happy! I also own a 2001 Rodeo and had a 96 also. I worked as an auto mechanic during college and am no fool when it comes to cars. The 96 sold me on Isuzu reliability and I've been coming back ever since! Maybe I will scoop up a trooper before they're all gone ;-)
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Yep I had a 97 Rodeo and was sold on em after that one 120K in 2.5years with that car and it still drove like new!

    -mike
  • serpico1serpico1 Member Posts: 30
    nt
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    $28.5K is an excellent price for a Limited. It's not a price I'd drive/fly to canada to get you can do almost as well here in the states.

    -mike
  • tkevinblanctkevinblanc Member Posts: 356
    The Edmunds review of the Trooper wasn't crappy, it was pretty good. They all but admitted that they shouldn't have compared it in the large category, that they should have compared it with the mediums. They called it a "fine truck", and praised just about everything but numb steering feel (true, but a price of offroad capability) and the body roll (again, an offroad truck with a compliant suspension).

    They hated the Axiom. Of course, the Axiom is a love-it-or-leave-it proposition.
  • tkevinblanctkevinblanc Member Posts: 356
    For what it's worth, your Trooper has a GM engine and transmission.
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    The Trooper does not have a GM engine. It does have a GM designed Transmission. Please see: http://www.gm.com/automotive/gmpowertrain/engines_cartruck/index.htm and point out where the Isuzu 3.5l engine is listed under GM? The tranny is listed there, and is shared with the Holden Commodore, BMW Z3 Roadster and Caddy Catera.


    -mike

  • dielectric7bbdielectric7bb Member Posts: 324
    the engine ain't made by GM (but was designed by them) so quality control and tolerances are probably much better. Tranny is made in France.
  • breakorbreakor Member Posts: 398
    While it can be done, don't expect it to be easy. Many manufacturers will not cooperate with Americans trying to bring back cars into the states. At least that is my recollection of a recent call-in radio show conversation.


    If serious you could start here - http://www.lbl.gov/Workplace/HumanResources/irss/VehicleImport.html


    You might also check your State registration requirements. For example, some states require you to pay sales tax on vehicles before they will issue you plates. Some will give you credit for any sales tax paid to other states. However, I doubt you will get credit for Canadian taxes (if any). The point being you could be in for a "surprise" tax hit when you go to register the car.

  • bluedevilsbluedevils Member Posts: 2,554
    dielectric7bb, how do you know the 3.5L is designed by GM? I'm not calling you a liar; just curious to hear more.

    The 3.5L is definitely manufactured by Isuzu. I was under the impression that the design was handled by Isuzu, not GM. I don't have much to base this on, though. Back when the 3.2L V6 was introduced ('92 model year), GM either owned none of Isuzu or much less than it does today. So the 3.2 was probably Isuzu-designed. Since the 3.5 is based on the 3.2 and is Isuzu-built, I figured Isuzu designed it too.
  • dielectric7bbdielectric7bb Member Posts: 324
    the 3.2 was designed by GM. I'm remembering this from like 7 years ago so I could be wrong. Back then IIRC Isuzu had some 4 cyl engines and I thought Isuzu bought them from GM. I could very easily be wrong. I'll try and do some checking on the net and see what I can find.
  • dielectric7bbdielectric7bb Member Posts: 324
    I'm pretty sure my ECU is GM on my '95 so...

    I'm still looking for other proof :)
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