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There are many other great cars on the road. But Ford had built great cars for years, and a few dogs too.
I think those of you who can't believe anybody would defend Ford should go take a drive. All those people driving one can't be unhappy.....
I would ask what it is that those of you who can't understand my defense of Ford, who's stock YOU own?
Bob
If scape2 wants to "support" the Escape/Trib, he should be able to back up his exuberant assertions with something grounded in reality.
Since scape2 seems uncharacteristically silent lately, does anyone else have any idea where this mysterious "Escape/Trib room with over 4,300 people and less than 1% have had any major problems" exists?
I find it hard to draw conclusions of only 1% or 10%, or 50% of all owners for a particular are having problems based on a number of posts, or number of memembers of a particular board..
Could it be the number of posts for a particular board is nothing more than a reflection of how popular that particular product is? I don't know, nor would I try to draw any conclusions based on number of posts.
There are other types of information that can be gained from message boards. but not counting nubmers of posts.
Why are you Ford folks so defensive, anyway? Do you even know if your "detractors" like or dislike any particular product? You really need to read the background here before reacting.
This isn't about a brand, Ford or any other, per se. It's about backing up ridiculous assertions, such as the bovine excrement that is being spewed to promote the Escape/Tribute's *superiority*, not about it's *inferiority*.
Calm down.
Has anyone heard anything more about the Escape hybrid? I can't buy anything until April at the earliest, and I'm always interested in new stuff and ways to keep my expenses (i.e. my fuel budget) down.
So far, releases are saying that the 2004(?) Escape Hybrid will achieve 40mpg in a 2x4 configuration, with very little compromise to interior space (battery mounted under floorboard or something like that). There's probably better information somewhere in Edmunds, but it sounds like a good design. The Liberty is supposed to be available as a hybrid sometime in the not-too-distant future, too. Can't say if they're planning manual transmissions, though.
Gsogymrat, your name in your profile is marked public.... is that really your first name?
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I'm not sure if this is even a valid concern, but I do wonder about electromagnetic fields (EMF) in hybrid design. Maybe someone here has input about shielding of batteries, etc.
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I guess I don't worry much about such things - I grew up in a house very close to Edison Co. high voltage wires. If my brain and guts aren't fried from that I don't think a cell phone or a hybrid car will make any difference!
I thought about it and I sincerely hope we do not see a proliferation of threads out of advocacy! :-)
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An individual can open a new thread as easily as they can post into a thread..
On to defensivness.. If someone spreads mis-information or partial information about another vehicle that you prefer, do you correct them? Is that being defensive?
If you give your opinion of a vehicle you prefer, is that being defensive?
I'm thinking that the only time there is a 'defense' is in response to an 'offense'.. So if you claim is true that others are being defensive, then why are you being so offensive?
I think it's great to read about potential problems with vehicles being considered for purchase. And, I'm likewise happy to relay information about problems I've experienced. It gets factored in with all of the good stuff and makes for better decision making. Isn't that the main reason Townhall exists?
What's not great is when someone tries to negate an issue about an established problem with bogus information. That's not any better than saying a vehicle does something it can't do. Who does any of that serve?
For example, I'd rather consider the potential risk of the Escape/Tribute stalling issue before buying one, just like anything else that effects safety, comfort, usability, etc. Since I personally have only had good experiences with Ford products in the past, something like that might cause me to wait for a solution if I otherwise wanted one.
Ford sort of recalled the ones that got out, and changed the intake/exhaust to get them to make the power. But there's a question of resale, since they are not factory built with 320hp. They missed a whole model year of Cobras to sort the mess out.
Mazda offered $500 in accessories, or they'd even buy back your Miata. Most people took the cash.
I wasn't criticizing Hyundai's reaction, by the way, just tossing out the subject for discussion. I'd take the 120k warranty had I bought one, too.
-juice
What about Hyundai's reaction? Fill me in please.
Thanks!
Oh- what's a "thread" or a "post"- a little education is needed here. I've been looking for one of the midsize SUV's but what should I be looking for, the only thing I'm certain of is SAFETY! The Honda Pilot looks nice and seats 8!
A post is a single entry, yours being #2724. A thread is a discussion, or topic, this being the For/SF/Esc/Trib/Lib/Vue thread.
This will save you lots of time, check out crashtest.com, which summarizes findings from several crash tests, including those from the US NHTSA and IIHS, as well as tests from Europe, Japan, and Australia.
I test drove a Pilot last week. They are nice, roomy and smooth. The one I was in had some uncharacteristic assembly flaws, including a loose/rattling cover in the cargo area, plus a wiper that ran over onto the A-pillar. Engine power was good, torquey. It drives "big" though, not nimble or sporty, if that's what you want. They were $30-35k at this dealer, mostly loaded up, but with a wait list of 2 months or so.
Any of the SUVs here can be had much cheaper, so decide what your needs are, and maybe a price range, before you shop. Good luck.
-juice
A post is a single entry. The topic here is For/SF/Esc/Trib/Lib/Vue. A thread is like a subtopic. Within the topic, individuals may be discussing braking issues in one thread and acceleration in another. The threads come and go but the topic is fixed.
And when the threads get intertwined and no one gets anywhere, it's a knot! ;-)
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Maggoo26: If what you're really looking at is safety and you're willing to spend mid $30s, look at the Volvo XC90. I'm not much of a Volvo guy, but this just may be the safest vehicle, let alone SUV, on the planet.
-Jason
-mike
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-juice
http://www.autoweek.com/cat_content.mv?port_code=autoweek&cat_code=carnews&loc_code=index&content_code=09076080
I guess the point is that a Hyundai horsepower overstatement isn't quite the same severity as in a Cobra or Miata. They also mention the Jag S-Type R - anybody know anything about an overstatement there?
-Jason
-Jason
No surprise Autoweek got a little sarcastic about it. :-)
-juice
Not as bad as Infiniti launching the Q45 flagship sedan with 0-60 times that no one else could reproduce!
VW claims a 6.5s elapsed time for the W8, but C&D and Edmunds both took a bit over 7 seconds, so there's another discrepancy.
Usually, makes are conservative with their claims.
-juice
Get a WRX! You only live once. There's a fun cult car that is the performance bargain of the decade.
They even sell a wagon...
-juice
The Forester has a little more passenger room, but a lot more cargo room, than the WRX. Next year a 2.5l turbo should arrive that would fit your wants, the question is price.
Have you tried any of the vehicles listed in this topic? Each has its own appeal. The SF is unique and value priced. The Liberty sits you up high and would be best off road. The Escape offers 200hp and good passenger room. The Vue is the wide body and offers a unique CVT.
Obviously, I favor the Forester. It's at the very top of CR's ratings for reliability, and my personal experience has been similar. Gas mileage is great - I average 25mpg - yet it's not at all slow, even besting some V6s. Ride and handling are both good, the AWD works full-time, and the content level and price make it a strong value. Top that off with the only IIHS "Best Pick" in crash tests in this group, and you have a winner.
Street prices start around $19.5k, but that includes AWD, ABS, A/C, CD, and power stuff. A loaded up XS Premium was being offered for $22.4k at fitzmall.com, and that has the huge moonroof, heated seats, side head/chest air bags, alloys, you name it.
Check out the others as well. Since you like your Sonata, you may prefer the SF. Good luck shopping.
-juice
Thanks for the info. I personally like the Forester but I'm still working to convince my husband it's not a station wagon. The 2003's look nice and are affordable! I think we may go take a look. Thanks again!
-mike
-juice
So if you live in the mountains or travel often through them, you might want to look at one of the other vehicles on this list, or an Outback. If you are a "flatlander" then buy the SF you like.
-mike
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
-mike