i don't own a jeep, but recently looked at them, all i know is a dealer i know told me not to pay more than $22k ish for an '01 w/ 30k mi on it and it was 4x4 V8 ltd, LOADED TOTALLY
'01's less reported trouble than a '99 I6 compared to V8, although granted your '99 has less miles you're still looking 2 yrs further back
My guess would be it sounds a little high, why not ask the friendly people in 'Real World Trade In Values' in 'Smart Shopper' board, they often quote retail numbers as well, I definitely would not pay more than your offer, but I would get some more facts to fall back on in your negotiations If I were you....
As for jefferson's comparison to his jeep, good intentions i'm sure, but also consider there was a major redesign between his '98 and your proposed '99, but i'm not the expert fwiw, good luck!!
Any Jeep dealer in the Chicago area can run a 6-state regional search for a JGC equipped just like you want.
I've purchased two JGC's this way through my local Jeep dealer in WI after model year-end. Not a problem... the dealer finds what you want (or close enough to it) and usually works out a "trade" with the dealer that has it. They can arrange delivery or pick it up themselves if it's within a reasonable distance.
This shouldn't cost a penny over buying one straight off the lot. And any delivery mileage doesn't count against your warranty either. I'd stay away from any dealer that wants to charge $800 for installing a hitch though!
Hello, I have a 2001 Grand Cherokee V6 and have started to notice a whining noise when you release the gas pedal at speeds between 30 and 60 mph. I remember reading something about this a year ago but can't remember what the issue was. Has anyone had this issue and know what the problem is? Thanks for the help!
'99 JGC Laredo 23,500 miles, June '00. From the repair order:
Found rear axle has growl sound and bad diff bearing. Necessary to replace front and rear pinion bearings and both side carrier bearings. Total parts $182, labor $181. covered under warranty.
IIRC letting off gas at 60-70 changed pitch of whine vs. when on gas...kind of like there was some play in the gear train....got worse as time went by until getting this fixed (along with several other items).
Brakes, power window motors, shift lockout switch, etc.... Took advantage of rebates (this was before SUV used prices seemed to crash later in the year) and traded for a '00 almost exactly the same as the '99 about 2.5 weeks later. The '00 has had some problems, but has been better than the '99. Will probably keep for another 2 years and trade before my 48 mo/75,000 mile extended warranty runs out. The $1100 I paid for that was cheaper than trying to trade for a GMC Envoy or similar (DC MAX Care plan).
I'm not sure either. I test drove an '02 Limited with this option and the monitor reported every tire with a different psi. Not sure how accurate the system really is. Was midly interested in ordering it on my Overland but if it's not accurate then, no sense installing. Thanks!
Maybe the tp monitor was working and the tires did have different presssures? I have an 02 JGCL and it does have this option---so far so good--my monitors have been dead on every time.
For those interested in the TPM system, check out the excellent info on this option at www.wjjeeps.com before you buy.
I seriously considered ordering this on my 02 until I read this. While the tire sensors look like they could be installed on aftermarket wheels, I didn't want to chance there being a wheel compatability issue if I choose to go that route.
The real turn-off for me on this option was the sensor reprogramming involved with simply rotating your tires. Read this for yourself and then see $100+ tire rotations in your future.
With all the hassle, I can do just as good of a job of being my own TPM system. )
The TPMS is an outstanding feature and I highly recommend it!! If you have the chance to get it on a new Jeep don't even hesitate for a second! I cannot think of a SINGLE DISADVANTAGE in having this system. It is one of the best safety and convenience options you can get on your vehicle.
It is EXTREMELY accurate. In fact probably more accurate than MOST tire gauges out there. I set my pressures with a high-end digital gauge many months ago and all 4 tires still match the gauge, dead-on at 32PSI on the EVIC readout.
dlcleave, yes It CAN most definitely be added to any 1999 and up Grand Cherokee, but is more expensive to do so aftermarket as the individual parts must be purchased through the dealer. No wiring is involved, a very simple install. And there is absolutely NO performance or reliability difference whatsoever between getting one from the factory or having it added later. It uses the EXACT same parts, nothing is different.
Kkulig, the sensors can be installed EASILY on ANY tires that will fit on your Jeep. Furthermore, not sure where you came up with the $100 cost estimated each time tires are rotated to reprogram the sensors. I just had mine rotated for the typical $10.00, and the reprogramming is not done by the dealer (no need) but rather done by yourself. This is a VERY easy step to do, it takes all of a minute or two. ANYONE can do this. You simply hit a button on the EVIC display and then place the magnet tool on each wheel for a few seconds and you are done. It really couldn't be any easier. As you noted, info and pics of the TPMS are on the wjjeeps.com website. Even if you had the dealer or tire rotation place do the "training" for you I doubt they would charge more than $5.00.
I wouldn't buy another vehicle without this system. It is a wonderful and convenient feature. You can look at the display anytime and know that your tires are dead on the pressure you have set them on. And if you ever develop a slow leak it is invaluable, as otherwise you could drive hundreds of miles before realizing a tire is getting low. I go on extended trips at times through long mountain passes out in the middle of nowhere, it's great to have the piece of mind knowing where the pressures are at.
Don't you just hate those people who ask for advice and never reply back..... Well, I want to thank everyone for the advice on the demo... I ended up not feeling like dealing with the used car salesman wanna-be who didn't want to cut a deal to safe his life... Thank goodness for that, because I found a brand new '02 Jeep with everything on it that I needed/wanted just an hour away right outside of Milwaukee...Fishrxman, thanks for the advice, that was an excellent place to search. It gave me a great chance to enjoy the ride back home. It definitely is a different beast than my '97.. feels more like a car, unfortunately with a couple more blind spots in it. It's also missing a couple features I liked: the cross rails and cargo net for example. But other than that, I thinks its going to be a good ride..! I'll be sure to keep everyone posted on all off road experiences...
OXX93, you recommended going to Fields in Northfield, I sure hope you don't work there and I don't mean to offend you one bit, but that's the place where the salesman was choking my chain the whole time on that demo... being tight on that .15 cents a mile, only the sales manager drives it, "no those aren't cigarette burn marks," and I love this one "if you give us a $500 non-refundable deposit, we'll search the city for a vehicle for you!" I was quick to point out that I had purchased local phone service when I moved into my house and that I could do the same thing for no charge. I always thought highly of Fields, but when you get treated like an elderly woman buying here first car on her own, right there that's a walk out..
kkulig, that web site you listed, www.wjjeep.com, very helpful and very depressing at the same time! heehee.
Thanks again everyone and for those I didn't mention your help was appreciated just as greatly...
tloke1... for some reason, I was under the impression that the dealer had to reprogram the sensors when the tires were rotated. I stand corrected on that.
Don't get me wrong, I really like the concept of the TPM system. It does have a safety benefit. I was in a rush to get my 02 ordered before the cutoff date and read through the info on the wjjeeps site pretty quick. The questions I couldn't get answered in time were whether the tire sensors would work on aftermarket wheels and the reprogramming issue when doing tire rotation.
As for dealer installation of this system, I also believe it's doable, but costly. My question is what needs to be done to the EVIC to make this work? Is the TPM system circuitry already built in or does this require swapping-out the EVIC for a TPM-ready one? I assume the function is already built-in and just needs to be "activated."
I purchased a 95 Grand Cherokee Laredo, and I realized someone removed my duct underneath the steering wheel.I am a having a difficult time getting one.All I need is the short piece, but everyone keeps getting the long one.My legs are freezing when the air is on.Any ideas?Thanks
I apologize if this has been covered in an earlier posting, but does anyone know when Jeep will do their next update on the Grand Cherokee? I owned a 98 Laredo, purchased in Nov. 97, only to see the current version come out a year later, making mine look old school. As I think about a new JGC, I don't want to make the same mistake again, especially if I'm in no major rush to buy. Any info (especially spy photos) on an update would be appreciated.
Me and the wife we test drove the above vehicle. It drove quite nicely effortless power from the HO V8. But we noticed two things.
No available rear vents for the rear passengers. Brakes were serioully mushy. I had to press quite firm just to keep the car from rolling forward at a stop light. Is that typical or you think it was for that specific vehicle?
Another one was a lap belt in the middle seat? no 3 point belt? my 94 Volvo 850 has it and a 2002 GC does not?
Also are they any news for a new GC model coming out? any pics or reviews?
From what I hear, there are no changes for the 03 model and it will be a short-run year. The 04 is supposed to get some minor cosmetic changes to the front end. The 05 is supposed to be a new design. I haven't heard of any spy photos being out yet. A really good source of info on the WJ JGC can be found at www.wjjeeps.com.
I don't believe mushy brakes were ever "typical" for the JGC, although I've heard some one else complain about this also. Brakes felt fine on the 4 I've owned and no problems on the 02 I currently drive. It's nothing that can't be fixed under warranty.
Warped rotors were the biggest complaint. I think they've finally made a serious attempt to correct this problem. They have a TSB to replace rotors and calipers on JGC's built prior to 5-02. After that date, the new components should be in normal production.
All JGC's have floor vents for rear seat passengers (heating only). These are located along the rear of the center console, or at least were in the earlier models. I haven't checked my 02... I don't ride back there anyway. )
Remember... this is not a Volvo, so no, there are no 3-point belts in the middle seat position. And side curtain airbags are now an option on the 02's.
If you are going to compare it to a Volvo, then you may want to consider staying with a Volvo if you find the JGC "lacking" features. )
kkulig, the EVIC module (module only, not the entire overhead console assembly) must be swapped out for the version that has the TPMS circuitry. It is automatically activated when installed into the overhead console (real easy, 4 screws & plug the harness in). The 5 sensors will need to be installed into the tires, a $35 charge at most shops. Finally, the simple programming as mentioned above. I know of at least three other people who have installed the system on Jeeps that originally did not come with it, including the guy at the wjjeeps.com web site - all have said that everything works perfectly and no installation hassles, just "plug and play". One of the Jeep owners said he was able to find a barely-used Evic out of a 2002 Overland at a boneyard for around $100, a great deal.
Thanks for the info. Based on this, I may have to reconsider my initial opinion of this option and possibly add it to my 02. Might as well have it all, right?
Absolutely! But look around and see if you can find one (the module) at a wrecking yard first, otherwise you are looking at $475 list (at a dealer) or around $400 discounted from some on-line dealers. The valve sensors list for around $35 each, I got mine for around $30. The tool magnet runs under $30 w/shipping, but you can actually use a speaker magnet instead if it's large enough.
Kkulig, I beg to differ, I did not see any thing of the sort on mine anywhere near the back seat. The only thing at the base of the console is a lever to pop out the drink trays. Maybe the Limited Ed has them.
I'm sorry, I must have gotten the year of your JGC wrong. And yes, all JGC's have rear floor ducts, regardless of model.
I just went and checked my 02 and this should be the same as your 99. The rear floor ducts are located directly under each front seat and blow air straight back under the seat into the rear floor area. If it helps, turn your heater on high and set it to floor. That's what I had to do to help me find them on mine. They're well hidden!
If you look under the front of either front seat, you'll see that the two seat mounting points in the front are on top of a raised channel on the floor. The actual duct is another raised channel that "T" intersects the seat mounting channel and runs back under the seat a few inches. If you reach to the back of this, you'll feel the opening where the air comes out.
The 93-98's had the rear floor ducts running alongside and hidden under the center console, exiting at the back of the console where it met the floor. They were quite visible on my 93. On my 98, I seem to recall that they relocated them slightly and extended the ducts so they came out more underneath each front seat.
My husband and I are getting ready to move to Iceland (military) and we were thinking of getting a JGC. We've looked online and have found a couple '99 models that look good. Does anyone have any advice or comments (good or bad)? Would anyone suggest anything different?
On the comparison with a Volvo please understand that this is what I own now and replacing with a JGC so it feels natural to be to notice/compare it.
Most definetly I know it is not a Volvo and no I will not stay with Volvo. If I wanted to stay with Volvo obviouslly I would not be asking questions here.
In regards to the rotors it not something I am not looking forward to. My Volvo has seen 4 different sets of rotors and the 3 last sets I had to pay and install myself(they warp like crazy and Volvo did not really care). So I will check if the car is manufactured after 5/02 (appreciate the info).
On the other hand my dealer has not been able to locate a JGC the way I want it. He said that he should be "able to find it but he would not be shocked if he did not"
So are they planning any rebates on 03's (Chevy is offering $1,500 on 03 Trailblazers).
I hope you didn't take my comments on Volvo the wrong way. They do build fine vehicles. What I meant to say was that people get used to a particular vehicle, then use it as a benchmark comparison to their next different vehicle. It wouldn't be fair to compare a Volvo to a JGC as they are in two completely different classes and Volvo is world-class as far as safety features go. Maybe that's how I should've worded my original response.
I'm surprised to hear that Volvo brake rotors had a warping problem also. Seems like many vehicles experience this today in varying degrees. I've found that when this occurs, simply replacing them with any decent set of aftermarket rotors fixes the problem once and for all, and at half the cost of dealer-installed MOPAR rotors.
I would not hesitate to buy the 02 JGC if that's what you're planning on. The after May 02 build date isn't anything to worry about. My 02 was built in early May. I suspect that if I develop rotor problems on mine (still great at 4K miles), the dealer will replace the components either under my vehicle's basic warranty if I'm still under 12K miles, or the TSB if I'm beyond 12K miles.
Haven't heard any incentives on the 03 yet, but I imagine they'll match whatever Ford or GM are offering at the time... plus the 7/100 powertrain warranty to boot.
I've been watching your posts, off and on, for some time. You seem to be a voice of reason, where the JGC is concerned, and have no small amount of knowledge. I'm starting to look around and watch developments in SUV's, with an eye to replacing my 99 ML430 in the spring of 04. I've not been unhappy with it, but I wouldn't get another; not good value for money. I've pretty much narrowed, so far to the JGC Overland, and the Volvo XC90. Quite disparate vehicles, I must acknowledge. My need is quite simply, that a vehicle must be unstoppable in snow and winter conditions. The point of all this is, that I may hit you up for answers on the Jeep, as the time draws closer. If you would prefer not to bother I would not be offended. Cheers Pat
I am looking at the Limited with either the 4.7 or the 4.7 HO. What is the difference in the power and does the 4.7 take regular and the 4.7 HO take premium? Also is there a difference in the power or is it not worth the extra $700. Also what is the difference in the gas mileage between both. I am also looking at the difference between the up country and the regular suspension. Is it worth the extra money to get the up country suspension? Does the Overland give you anything more then a loaded Limited with the up country suspension? And is there anything else that I should know before buying into a Jeep?
I did not mean anything bad. Anyways I do like the JGC and my wife wants one. Back in 1995 when we bought the Volvo we were looking at a 95 Jeep GC and the only reason we did not buy it it was that the dealer person was the worse person. Did not know the product, packages, specs. The prices for the options used to go up when he went to 'talk' with his manager. He could not even give us a price he just estimated. So we were so frustrated that we walk to the Volvo place across the street and we gave them our $30k. Let me tell you the following winter when snow came we regretted not having the Jeep many many times. Sorry for the historical rewind.
I am pretty sure they will find me a JGC with the equip we like. Otherwise we will see about an 03.
I personally am dissapointed with Volvo quality. I had to replace the rotors and the clutch (it is a 5 sp) twice in less than 20k miles.
I have an 02 JGCL w/o the up-country suspension. I prefer it over the 99 I had that had the up country. The ride seems smoother on the 02 and I really do not use it to go off-road. Just my .02 As for the engines, the mileage is about the same btwn both V8's. I am not sure about the gas requirements.
I had the same engine question two weeks ago. I drove Limiteds with both engines and decided that the 4.7L HO wasn't worth the extra cost for me. Partly the decision was performance, and partly it was cost.
The HO engine puts out about 30 more horsepower and 30 more lb-ft. of torque, but I couldn't feel the difference in my test drives. I didn't do any quarter-mile dragging, either, so I probably wouldn't have noticed the difference.
In addition to the extra cost for buying the HO engine, in order to see the benefits of the extra power and torque, you need to use premium unleaded, so there's extra cost every time you fill up the Jeep. For the record, the owner's manual states that the HO engine will run fine (i.e. not get damaged) on regular unleaded, but performance will be less than optimum.
I didn't evaluate the up country suspension, as I'll rarely have my Jeep off-road, where the extra ground clearance would be helpful. And on the road, the extra ground clearance means less fuel efficiency.
The Overland is basically a loaded Limited, but you get some things not available on other trim levels, like wood trim on the steering wheel and leather-and-suede seats.
Thanks for the kind words. I'll be more than happy to try and answer any questions you may have. That's why I'm out here! )
I've had 4 JGC's in the last 10 years. I've had quite a few of the problems that people complain about and I also had a 98 that went back under the lemon law. Other than the lemon, any problem I had was taken care of to my satisfaction by my dealer... whether under warranty or TSB. And really, what more can a person reasonably ask for?
My only intent out here is to try to help people deal with those problems when they appear. I know how frustrating that can be and if I can save someone some grief, then it's worth it.
Even with some of the problems and the lemon I had, I still consider the JGC to be a fine vehicle. I define "reliability" as not finding myself broken-down alongside the road. So far that hasn't happened to me in a JGC, although I know it's happened to a few JGC owners.
All makes of vehicles have their own peculiarities. The JGC is no exception. Nobody builds a perfect vehicle. But it's sad to read some of the posts out here where an owner has come to hate their JGC because of the problems he/she has had. Especially when the problem is really nothing more than an irritation or aggravation. Things DO go wrong sometimes and that can/will happen no matter what you drive.
It's no fun to have something go wrong and I definitely sympathize with them. But on the other hand, a person has to have realistic expectations. Example: Warped brake rotors aren't a "horror story" as you see so many people describe it as out here. It's a simple fix (aftermarket rotors), and one I've pointed out many times myself.
When I think back on all the other makes/models of vehicles I've owned over the years, I came to the realization that the JGC has been the most consistantly reliable and relatively trouble-free vehicle I've ever owned. I've never bought more than one of any kind of vehicle before... and now I'm on my 4th JGC and loving every minute of it.
At the same time, I realize it may not be the right vehicle for everyone else. Another may be more suitable and fit their needs better. Hey, that's fine too. It's their money and I'm certainly not going to tell them what to spend it on.
Oh, BTW... you will be hard-pressed to find a 4WD system that will out-do the Quadra-Drive system in winter/snow driving conditions. IMHO it's hands-down the best on the road today. It's performance is awesome!
I agree with evaddave's evaluation of the 4.7L HO engine. I thought seriously about this when I ordered my 02. And pretty much ruled it out for the same reasons. And I've got to say that the standard 4.7L has plenty of power for me. One of the best engines I've ever owned.
I've heard some people say there's a noticeable difference in power compared to the standard 4.7L, and others claim they couldn't tell the difference. Since I haven't driven the HO, I can't offer an opinion either way.
However, I will comment on the Up-Country Suspension option. I would definitely recommend it, even if you never go off-road. This package gives you HD springs, shocks, larger trac-bars and better bushings, larger tires, full skid plate package and a 1" higher ride height. MSPR on this option was somewhere between $250-300... a very decent price for what you get.
Of the 4 JGC's I've had, 2 had the UCS (93 and 02) and 2 didn't (98 and 99). What I noticed and hated the most on my non-UCS equipped JGC's was really poor lateral (side to side) suspension control. In a crosswind, or in the draft zone behind or alongside a large truck/semi, I had to fight to keep the vehicle in my lane. The handling was very unpredictable and physically tiring to drive on my 25 mile commute to work. I couldn't take my eyes off the road for a second, it was that bad.
The UCS option eliminates almost all of this poor suspension control. Things feel tighter, firmer and the steering gives a better feel of being in contact with the road. Me personally, I don't notice a difference in ride quality. My UCS-equipped 02 rides just as smoothly as my non-UCS 99 did. I highly recommend this option!
One other feature the Overland has over the other models are the rock rails. These are steel channels running along the rocker panels that give some protection in off-road situations. I believe these can be ordered and dealer-added to the other models too. They do look good and blend in well on the JGC.
The turn-off for me on the rock rails was that these have kind of a cheaper looking powdercoat finish. I had doubts as to how well this would hold up to the massive quantity of road salt we dump up here during a WI winter. They just look like they'd rust easily. Any Overland owners care to comment on how well the finish holds up, I'd sure be interested in hearing from you. )
I had my windows tinted a while back and when they tinted them, they pulled the interior door panels off (front only). Now the trim tends to wiggle when I drive or open/close the door. Does anybody have the part numbers for the little clips (long pin-looking things) and the holders that actually clasp into the metal part of the door? I know it's a nit-noid thing, but I want a solid door again!
erickpl... you should be able to just stop at your dealer and pick these up. They'll know what you need and I'm sure it's an item that's always kept in stock.
You'll need an EVIC from a 2002 GC that came with the TPMS option. At the boneyard, there is no way to tell the EVICS apart without looking at the part number on the back. However, vehicles with that system will have very thick valve stems with a large nut around them. There's a detailed page with pics covering the TPMS and how to install it on other vehicles here: http://www.wjjeeps.com/tpms.htm
My neighbor took their 2000 GCL in for warped rotors. The dealer changed the rotors and calipers. My question is to me the calipers look different than the ones they replaced. Ive also notices other GCL with new calipers. Is there an improved front brake system out there? Mt 2001 are beginning to show signs of warping again.
bobhex40... yes, these are new, larger calipers that are being installed with the new rotors under the latest rotor TSB. I'm not familiar enough with this TSB to state what year JGC this starts with, but it applies on JGC's built up to 5-02. Definitely check this out with your dealer if your rotors are getting warped again. I'm pretty sure you'll be covered under this.
The new bulletin is # 0500302, issued May 13, 2002. It covers 1999-2002 models, built through May 11, 2002. Hopefully this will solve the never-ending problem that DC has had with rotors. It's hard to believe it took so long, ya gotta wonder the mentality behind this, the amount of sales and customer goodwill lost has been staggering. yet year after year after year they ignored it. Truly amazing. I talked to one high-level exec at DC a few months back, before the TSB was issued, and asked him "why?". His response was that the engineers involved did not want to admit their "design error" or somethng to that effect. I asked him what would be wrong with just "quietly" fixing them once and for all. He just shrugged his shoulders. This has been one of the most publicized Jeep problems for almost a decade, one that has really hurt sales. Yet no one, not a single person at DC, would take care of this or even admit it was a problem! I'd sure like to know who was the head of the department(s) responsible for this fiasco, and how they got away with it for so long. Total morons indeed. Such a simple thing to fix, yet these idiots continued to spend millions in warranty claims replacing the bad rotors with the same exact crap time after time. And look how much so many consumers spent out of their own pockets for the repairs when warranty claims were denied - many of who will never buy Jeeps again.
Not off the top of my head. There are quite a few salvage yards with web-sites and I'm sure they'd ship one anywhere. Should be a fraction of the cost of a new one, assuming the dealers can even get new ones. My guess it they'll be "factory" refurbished. In other words, similar to what you'd get from a salvage yard, LOL! There's a salvage yard around my local that has a ton of Jeeps, if you don't have any luck let me know I'll stop out and talk to them.
In his book "Profitable Top-Line Growth for Industial Companies", James Hlavacek argues there are four kinds of management mentality: the Cost Cutters (who probably started the problem), the Deal Makers (not involved), the Milkers (who certainly refused to address the situation), and the Great Builders (who finally stepped in and addressed the situation). My second set of brakes have 11k miles on them and are still OK. I'm looking forward to a new set of free rotors and calipers in another 5k miles.
I've got a '96 JGC Laredo...76K miles on it. I've had my share of annoyances; cracked radiator, water pump went bad, catalytic converter goes bad at around 65K (covered under a warranty extension issued by Jeep a few months before mine went, extend to 80K miles just FYI) and some other odds and ends.
Two things happening right now, one probably not a big deal and the other just another bother.
Starting with the bother....the remote locking mechanism doesn't always lock all doors. I end up just locking/unlocking/locking/unlocking from the driver's side door and when it looks like they've all locked I'm set. Dealer said it was the motors in there, worn out. Also affects the gate lock on the hatch....sometimes can't unlock it in first few tries.
The other item is everytime I back it out of my garage, right along the passenger side tires I leave a trail of water. My dealer says it's just from the A/C, but every time after it's been sitting in the garage overnite? Hasn't seemed to pose any real problems, hasn't manifested into something bigger....maybe it is just water from A/C, just a daily thing and strange after being garaged for 12-15 hours.
Any comments/observations out there? Thanks in advance!!!
P.S. Aside from these problems over the 5 1/2 years we've owned it, has performed reliably and most everything luckily happened before 36K, including the water pump at 35,955.....lucky!
Ok folks finally I got my truck. 02 GC Limited 25k package, tow package, HO V8. (a few other little things as well). They searched a while and we changed color to steel blue(over Black) since black ones without the chrome wheels were not available. They had to truck it over since it was a trade. Well actually they bought it for us and we would pick it up this Monday. I was happy my wife was happy all's good.
this morning (Sat Aug 24) we get a call from the dealer guy and guess what. the other dealership sold the car my dealership bought from them!! that fully proves to me how cut throat car places can be. They had the blue one with a sold sign in the back the manager still sold it. I was pissed, disappointed, irritated. My wife almost cried. So there we are rolling ourselves over the dealership to se what is next.
So we had to renegotiate, but this time we got a black one with everything we wanted and the stupid chrome wheels. We pressed hard not to get them but this was the only way to get a vehicle. So this was my Saturday experience. But if everything goes o. on Monday we will have it.
cheers
Nick
PS: now do you guys know of any bulletin boards/discussion sites for Jeeps/Grand Cherokees? I like Edmunds fine but I think now it is time to get deep into that.
Can't really tell you anything on the door lock/unlock problem other than it seems strange that all the door and liftgate lock solenoids would be going bad at the same time. Sounds like the dealer is making a WAG. Anyone else out here experience this problem that could shed some light on this?
The trail of water you find is condensate from your AC and nothing to worry about. A considerable amount of water pools up in the frame section where the drain line is run. It won't evaporate overnight in a warm, humid garage. All 4 of mine have done this.
I believe the AC condensate drain tube is located somewhere in the boxed frame section just behind the pass front wheel. It can be located through one of the openings in the frame section by sight or feel. Not the greatest place to locate this and it has a tendency to plug up with debris.
The only thing I'd watch for are signs of wet carpeting in the front passenger footwell. That would tell you that the AC drain line has become plugged and is backing-up. Doesn't sound like this is a problem. If it ever becomes one, your dealer will know how to take care of it as there's been 2-3 TSB's issued on the problem over the years. And like you said, it's not a big deal.
nickg5...
Sounds like you've got yourself a really sharp ride there. For some really great info on the WJ's, check out wjjeeps.com (great site). For discussion boards, jeepsunlimited.com and jeepforum.com are two of the best sites out there. Good luck, and enjoy your new JGC!
The door lock issue is a nuisance. I've actually used two dealers over the years for service and the one I no longer go to is the one I did take up the door lock issue with...they quoted close to $1,000 to address the problem. I told him I'll deal with the annoyance for that kind of $. I've come to think lesser of that dealer for some other interesting experiences with them.
I haven't even raised the issue with the dealer I use for service now, maybe I will since you mention they may have been "making a WAG"....not sure what WAG is, but doesn't sound good.
I'll check and let you all know what is said...it was a bother earlier today as it took some doing to get my tailgate unlocked a few times today.
Thanks again kkulig!
P.S....no problems re: pass side floorboard with water.
First time looking at JGC - like the Special Edition model. Manhattan Jeep has MSRP at 32,745 and have wrangled down to 29,495 with 0% financing for 5 years. Like the upgrades on this model(leather, 10CD changer, sunroof, heated seats,etc.) Any thoughts? Good deal? With end of year, end of month, hoping to get down to 28,000-28,500 ... which is MSRP for regular Laredo at this location. Thanks for any input.
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'01's less reported trouble than a '99
I6 compared to V8, although granted your '99 has less miles you're still looking 2 yrs further back
My guess would be it sounds a little high, why not ask the friendly people in 'Real World Trade In Values' in 'Smart Shopper' board, they often quote retail numbers as well, I definitely would not pay more than your offer, but I would get some more facts to fall back on in your negotiations If I were you....
As for jefferson's comparison to his jeep, good intentions i'm sure, but also consider there was a major redesign between his '98 and your proposed '99, but i'm not the expert fwiw, good luck!!
karz
I've purchased two JGC's this way through my local Jeep dealer in WI after model year-end. Not a problem... the dealer finds what you want (or close enough to it) and usually works out a "trade" with the dealer that has it. They can arrange delivery or pick it up themselves if it's within a reasonable distance.
This shouldn't cost a penny over buying one straight off the lot. And any delivery mileage doesn't count against your warranty either. I'd stay away from any dealer that wants to charge $800 for installing a hitch though!
Found rear axle has growl sound and bad diff bearing. Necessary to replace front and rear pinion bearings and both side carrier bearings.
Total parts $182, labor $181. covered under warranty.
IIRC letting off gas at 60-70 changed pitch of whine vs. when on gas...kind of like there was some play in the gear train....got worse as time went by until getting this fixed (along with several other items).
Brakes, power window motors, shift lockout switch, etc.... Took advantage of rebates (this was before SUV used prices seemed to crash later in the year) and traded for a '00 almost exactly the same as the '99 about 2.5 weeks later. The '00 has had some problems, but has been better than the '99. Will probably keep for another 2 years and trade before my 48 mo/75,000 mile extended warranty runs out. The $1100 I paid for that was cheaper than trying to trade for a GMC Envoy or similar (DC MAX Care plan).
I seriously considered ordering this on my 02 until I read this. While the tire sensors look like they could be installed on aftermarket wheels, I didn't want to chance there being a wheel compatability issue if I choose to go that route.
The real turn-off for me on this option was the sensor reprogramming involved with simply rotating your tires. Read this for yourself and then see $100+ tire rotations in your future.
With all the hassle, I can do just as good of a job of being my own TPM system.
It is EXTREMELY accurate. In fact probably more accurate than MOST tire gauges out there. I set my pressures with a high-end digital gauge many months ago and all 4 tires still match the gauge, dead-on at 32PSI on the EVIC readout.
dlcleave, yes It CAN most definitely be added to any 1999 and up Grand Cherokee, but is more expensive to do so aftermarket as the individual parts must be purchased through the dealer. No wiring is involved, a very simple install. And there is absolutely NO performance or reliability difference whatsoever between getting one from the factory or having it added later. It uses the EXACT same parts, nothing is different.
Kkulig, the sensors can be installed EASILY on ANY tires that will fit on your Jeep. Furthermore, not sure where you came up with the $100 cost estimated each time tires are rotated to reprogram the sensors. I just had mine rotated for the typical $10.00, and the reprogramming is not done by the dealer (no need) but rather done by yourself. This is a VERY easy step to do, it takes all of a minute or two. ANYONE can do this. You simply hit a button on the EVIC display and then place the magnet tool on each wheel for a few seconds and you are done. It really couldn't be any easier. As you noted, info and pics of the TPMS are on the wjjeeps.com website. Even if you had the dealer or tire rotation place do the "training" for you I doubt they would charge more than $5.00.
I wouldn't buy another vehicle without this system. It is a wonderful and convenient feature. You can look at the display anytime and know that your tires are dead on the pressure you have set them on. And if you ever develop a slow leak it is invaluable, as otherwise you could drive hundreds of miles before realizing a tire is getting low. I go on extended trips at times through long mountain passes out in the middle of nowhere, it's great to have the piece of mind knowing where the pressures are at.
OXX93, you recommended going to Fields in Northfield, I sure hope you don't work there and I don't mean to offend you one bit, but that's the place where the salesman was choking my chain the whole time on that demo... being tight on that .15 cents a mile, only the sales manager drives it, "no those aren't cigarette burn marks," and I love this one "if you give us a $500 non-refundable deposit, we'll search the city for a vehicle for you!" I was quick to point out that I had purchased local phone service when I moved into my house and that I could do the same thing for no charge. I always thought highly of Fields, but when you get treated like an elderly woman buying here first car on her own, right there that's a walk out..
kkulig, that web site you listed, www.wjjeep.com, very helpful and very depressing at the same time! heehee.
Thanks again everyone and for those I didn't mention your help was appreciated just as greatly...
Don't get me wrong, I really like the concept of the TPM system. It does have a safety benefit. I was in a rush to get my 02 ordered before the cutoff date and read through the info on the wjjeeps site pretty quick. The questions I couldn't get answered in time were whether the tire sensors would work on aftermarket wheels and the reprogramming issue when doing tire rotation.
As for dealer installation of this system, I also believe it's doable, but costly. My question is what needs to be done to the EVIC to make this work? Is the TPM system circuitry already built in or does this require swapping-out the EVIC for a TPM-ready one? I assume the function is already built-in and just needs to be "activated."
Me and the wife we test drove the above vehicle. It drove quite nicely effortless power from the HO V8. But we noticed two things.
No available rear vents for the rear passengers.
Brakes were serioully mushy. I had to press quite firm just to keep the car from rolling forward at a stop light. Is that typical or you think it was for that specific vehicle?
Another one was a lap belt in the middle seat? no 3 point belt? my 94 Volvo 850 has it and a 2002 GC does not?
Also are they any news for a new GC model coming out? any pics or reviews?
cheers
Nick
I don't believe mushy brakes were ever "typical" for the JGC, although I've heard some one else complain about this also. Brakes felt fine on the 4 I've owned and no problems on the 02 I currently drive. It's nothing that can't be fixed under warranty.
Warped rotors were the biggest complaint. I think they've finally made a serious attempt to correct this problem. They have a TSB to replace rotors and calipers on JGC's built prior to 5-02. After that date, the new components should be in normal production.
All JGC's have floor vents for rear seat passengers (heating only). These are located along the rear of the center console, or at least were in the earlier models. I haven't checked my 02... I don't ride back there anyway.
Remember... this is not a Volvo, so no, there are no 3-point belts in the middle seat position. And side curtain airbags are now an option on the 02's.
If you are going to compare it to a Volvo, then you may want to consider staying with a Volvo if you find the JGC "lacking" features.
I know of at least three other people who have installed the system on Jeeps that originally did not come with it, including the guy at the wjjeeps.com web site - all have said that everything works perfectly and no installation hassles, just "plug and play". One of the Jeep owners said he was able to find a barely-used Evic out of a 2002 Overland at a boneyard for around $100, a great deal.
I just went and checked my 02 and this should be the same as your 99. The rear floor ducts are located directly under each front seat and blow air straight back under the seat into the rear floor area. If it helps, turn your heater on high and set it to floor. That's what I had to do to help me find them on mine. They're well hidden!
If you look under the front of either front seat, you'll see that the two seat mounting points in the front are on top of a raised channel on the floor. The actual duct is another raised channel that "T" intersects the seat mounting channel and runs back under the seat a few inches. If you reach to the back of this, you'll feel the opening where the air comes out.
The 93-98's had the rear floor ducts running alongside and hidden under the center console, exiting at the back of the console where it met the floor. They were quite visible on my 93. On my 98, I seem to recall that they relocated them slightly and extended the ducts so they came out more underneath each front seat.
Hope this helps.
On the comparison with a Volvo please understand that this is what I own now and replacing with a JGC so it feels natural to be to notice/compare it.
Most definetly I know it is not a Volvo and no I will not stay with Volvo. If I wanted to stay with Volvo obviouslly I would not be asking questions here.
In regards to the rotors it not something I am not looking forward to. My Volvo has seen 4 different sets of rotors and the 3 last sets I had to pay and install myself(they warp like crazy and Volvo did not really care). So I will check if the car is manufactured after 5/02 (appreciate the info).
On the other hand my dealer has not been able to locate a JGC the way I want it. He said that he should be "able to find it but he would not be shocked if he did not"
So are they planning any rebates on 03's (Chevy is offering $1,500 on 03 Trailblazers).
Cheers
Nick
I'm surprised to hear that Volvo brake rotors had a warping problem also. Seems like many vehicles experience this today in varying degrees. I've found that when this occurs, simply replacing them with any decent set of aftermarket rotors fixes the problem once and for all, and at half the cost of dealer-installed MOPAR rotors.
I would not hesitate to buy the 02 JGC if that's what you're planning on. The after May 02 build date isn't anything to worry about. My 02 was built in early May. I suspect that if I develop rotor problems on mine (still great at 4K miles), the dealer will replace the components either under my vehicle's basic warranty if I'm still under 12K miles, or the TSB if I'm beyond 12K miles.
Haven't heard any incentives on the 03 yet, but I imagine they'll match whatever Ford or GM are offering at the time... plus the 7/100 powertrain warranty to boot.
Cheers
Pat
I am pretty sure they will find me a JGC with the equip we like. Otherwise we will see about an 03.
I personally am dissapointed with Volvo quality.
I had to replace the rotors and the clutch (it is a 5 sp) twice in less than 20k miles.
Thanks for your help again.
Nick
The HO engine puts out about 30 more horsepower and 30 more lb-ft. of torque, but I couldn't feel the difference in my test drives. I didn't do any quarter-mile dragging, either, so I probably wouldn't have noticed the difference.
In addition to the extra cost for buying the HO engine, in order to see the benefits of the extra power and torque, you need to use premium unleaded, so there's extra cost every time you fill up the Jeep. For the record, the owner's manual states that the HO engine will run fine (i.e. not get damaged) on regular unleaded, but performance will be less than optimum.
I didn't evaluate the up country suspension, as I'll rarely have my Jeep off-road, where the extra ground clearance would be helpful. And on the road, the extra ground clearance means less fuel efficiency.
The Overland is basically a loaded Limited, but you get some things not available on other trim levels, like wood trim on the steering wheel and leather-and-suede seats.
I've had 4 JGC's in the last 10 years. I've had quite a few of the problems that people complain about and I also had a 98 that went back under the lemon law. Other than the lemon, any problem I had was taken care of to my satisfaction by my dealer... whether under warranty or TSB. And really, what more can a person reasonably ask for?
My only intent out here is to try to help people deal with those problems when they appear. I know how frustrating that can be and if I can save someone some grief, then it's worth it.
Even with some of the problems and the lemon I had, I still consider the JGC to be a fine vehicle. I define "reliability" as not finding myself broken-down alongside the road. So far that hasn't happened to me in a JGC, although I know it's happened to a few JGC owners.
All makes of vehicles have their own peculiarities. The JGC is no exception. Nobody builds a perfect vehicle. But it's sad to read some of the posts out here where an owner has come to hate their JGC because of the problems he/she has had. Especially when the problem is really nothing more than an irritation or aggravation. Things DO go wrong sometimes and that can/will happen no matter what you drive.
It's no fun to have something go wrong and I definitely sympathize with them. But on the other hand, a person has to have realistic expectations. Example: Warped brake rotors aren't a "horror story" as you see so many people describe it as out here. It's a simple fix (aftermarket rotors), and one I've pointed out many times myself.
When I think back on all the other makes/models of vehicles I've owned over the years, I came to the realization that the JGC has been the most consistantly reliable and relatively trouble-free vehicle I've ever owned. I've never bought more than one of any kind of vehicle before... and now I'm on my 4th JGC and loving every minute of it.
At the same time, I realize it may not be the right vehicle for everyone else. Another may be more suitable and fit their needs better. Hey, that's fine too. It's their money and I'm certainly not going to tell them what to spend it on.
Oh, BTW... you will be hard-pressed to find a 4WD system that will out-do the Quadra-Drive system in winter/snow driving conditions. IMHO it's hands-down the best on the road today. It's performance is awesome!
I've heard some people say there's a noticeable difference in power compared to the standard 4.7L, and others claim they couldn't tell the difference. Since I haven't driven the HO, I can't offer an opinion either way.
However, I will comment on the Up-Country Suspension option. I would definitely recommend it, even if you never go off-road. This package gives you HD springs, shocks, larger trac-bars and better bushings, larger tires, full skid plate package and a 1" higher ride height. MSPR on this option was somewhere between $250-300... a very decent price for what you get.
Of the 4 JGC's I've had, 2 had the UCS (93 and 02) and 2 didn't (98 and 99). What I noticed and hated the most on my non-UCS equipped JGC's was really poor lateral (side to side) suspension control. In a crosswind, or in the draft zone behind or alongside a large truck/semi, I had to fight to keep the vehicle in my lane. The handling was very unpredictable and physically tiring to drive on my 25 mile commute to work. I couldn't take my eyes off the road for a second, it was that bad.
The UCS option eliminates almost all of this poor suspension control. Things feel tighter, firmer and the steering gives a better feel of being in contact with the road. Me personally, I don't notice a difference in ride quality. My UCS-equipped 02 rides just as smoothly as my non-UCS 99 did. I highly recommend this option!
One other feature the Overland has over the other models are the rock rails. These are steel channels running along the rocker panels that give some protection in off-road situations. I believe these can be ordered and dealer-added to the other models too. They do look good and blend in well on the JGC.
The turn-off for me on the rock rails was that these have kind of a cheaper looking powdercoat finish. I had doubts as to how well this would hold up to the massive quantity of road salt we dump up here during a WI winter. They just look like they'd rust easily. Any Overland owners care to comment on how well the finish holds up, I'd sure be interested in hearing from you.
-Paul
If I need an EVIC from a JGC with TPM, how do I tell if a boneyard (one of my favorite haunting grounds as a teenager) JGC has the TPM?
Also, where is the EVIC module? It sounds like it is behind the top overhead console assembly.
Thanks in advance for your help.
http://www.wjjeeps.com/tpms.htm
My second set of brakes have 11k miles on them and are still OK. I'm looking forward to a new set of free rotors and calipers in another 5k miles.
Two things happening right now, one probably not a big deal and the other just another bother.
Starting with the bother....the remote locking mechanism doesn't always lock all doors. I end up just locking/unlocking/locking/unlocking from the driver's side door and when it looks like they've all locked I'm set. Dealer said it was the motors in there, worn out. Also affects the gate lock on the hatch....sometimes can't unlock it in first few tries.
The other item is everytime I back it out of my garage, right along the passenger side tires I leave a trail of water. My dealer says it's just from the A/C, but every time after it's been sitting in the garage overnite? Hasn't seemed to pose any real problems, hasn't manifested into something bigger....maybe it is just water from A/C, just a daily thing and strange after being garaged for 12-15 hours.
Any comments/observations out there? Thanks in advance!!!
P.S. Aside from these problems over the 5 1/2 years we've owned it, has performed reliably and most everything luckily happened before 36K, including the water pump at 35,955.....lucky!
02 GC Limited 25k package, tow package, HO V8. (a few other little things as well). They searched a while and we changed color to steel blue(over Black) since black ones without the chrome wheels were not available. They had to truck it over since it was a trade. Well actually they bought it for us and we would pick it up this Monday. I was happy my wife was happy all's good.
this morning (Sat Aug 24) we get a call from the dealer guy and guess what. the other dealership sold the car my dealership bought from them!! that fully proves to me how cut throat car places can be. They had the blue one with a sold sign in the back the manager still sold it. I was pissed, disappointed, irritated. My wife almost cried. So there we are rolling ourselves over the dealership to se what is next.
So we had to renegotiate, but this time we got a black one with everything we wanted and the stupid chrome wheels. We pressed hard not to get them but this was the only way to get a vehicle. So this was my Saturday experience.
But if everything goes o. on Monday we will have it.
cheers
Nick
PS: now do you guys know of any bulletin boards/discussion sites for Jeeps/Grand Cherokees? I like Edmunds fine but I think now it is time to get deep into that.
Can't really tell you anything on the door lock/unlock problem other than it seems strange that all the door and liftgate lock solenoids would be going bad at the same time. Sounds like the dealer is making a WAG. Anyone else out here experience this problem that could shed some light on this?
The trail of water you find is condensate from your AC and nothing to worry about. A considerable amount of water pools up in the frame section where the drain line is run. It won't evaporate overnight in a warm, humid garage. All 4 of mine have done this.
I believe the AC condensate drain tube is located somewhere in the boxed frame section just behind the pass front wheel. It can be located through one of the openings in the frame section by sight or feel. Not the greatest place to locate this and it has a tendency to plug up with debris.
The only thing I'd watch for are signs of wet carpeting in the front passenger footwell. That would tell you that the AC drain line has become plugged and is backing-up. Doesn't sound like this is a problem. If it ever becomes one, your dealer will know how to take care of it as there's been 2-3 TSB's issued on the problem over the years. And like you said, it's not a big deal.
nickg5...
Sounds like you've got yourself a really sharp ride there. For some really great info on the WJ's, check out wjjeeps.com (great site). For discussion boards, jeepsunlimited.com and jeepforum.com are two of the best sites out there. Good luck, and enjoy your new JGC!
I haven't even raised the issue with the dealer I use for service now, maybe I will since you mention they may have been "making a WAG"....not sure what WAG is, but doesn't sound good.
I'll check and let you all know what is said...it was a bother earlier today as it took some doing to get my tailgate unlocked a few times today.
Thanks again kkulig!
P.S....no problems re: pass side floorboard with water.
MSRP was $30,380, after rebate I took it home for $25,700.
It is a very nice SUV.. got it for my wife and she loves it.