Hyundai Genesis Sedan 2009+

mickeyrom

What exactly is so luxurious about a V8 or RWD?With V6 putting out 300 HP V8s are nothing but dinosours.

tjc78

I own a Genesis and have long said that it is a great vehicle but not "luxury" in the true sense of the word. As for the Honda, great car... but it is a midsize car (ok.. "large" without a sunroof technically). No where near as quiet as the Genesis, not as much interior room, no where close to the feature set, FWD, etc. Heck it doesn't even offer a true upscale branded audio system (JBL, Bose, etc) In its class its great, but not against the Genesis (or even Avalon, Maxima etc). Just my .02.

tjc78

With V6 putting out 300 HP V8s are nothing but dinosours

Today's modern V8s are putting out power in high 300s, now we are talking! FE isn't all that bad either considering the power

backy

You can have a "luxurious" car with FWD and a V6, and there's probably more V6s (and even I4s!) in the future of luxury cars due to FE regs. But V8 smoothness and power are traditions in the luxury market, and it's impossible (?) to get near 50/50 weight distribution with FWD, meaning it's harder to provide superior handling compared to RWD. Also there's the torque steer issue with FWD, as engines in luxury cars (even V6s) become more powerful.

jyym

A fully loaded Camry, Sonata, etc. are just as "luxurious" as the Accord.

One would be hard pressed to say that the Accord is a "luxury" sedan (esp. considering that the new Sonata is more luxurious).

As for the Genesis, it's about on par w/ the GS and 5 Series w/ regard to interior appointments and better than that for entry level (i.e. - 3 Series).

fedlawman

Sorry, gotta disagree with you.

alonzo2

Actually you could take a 1997 Yugo and add the presence of my incredibly beautiful wife and the appointments of this car would then exceed the most opulent, luxurious, ostentatious automobile ever built. Now you can imagine when I add her to the Genesis it's like apples of gold served on a plate of silver.

(I hope she reads this message because I'm really hoping for a good Christmas present this year!)

jyym

That's alright, since pretty much all the auto publications do agree w/ me.

gensiscan

It's always a pleasure to follow COLEGAR and is 5,000mi update.

For myself, it's been already 9 months with a Genesis V6 (loaded with no tech pack) and 15 000 miles, so far so good. Still amazing on highway for the quietness and comfort. In the city it's average, but for me it's about 15% of my mileage.

My message is about winter tires; yesterday i installed a new set of wheels (17) with dunlop SP winter sport 3D (225/55), all from tirerack.com. The price was fine, but when i compare these tires with the original ones (also from Dunlop and same size), well the winter tires are slightly bigger.
So the warning is to be careful on this; when i do a full turn on uneven road (down or up hill), i hear a sound of tire rubbing :confuse: . It doesn't happen on flat road. To avoid the rubbing, I just do this manoeuvre very slowly.

By the way, the tires are great (comfort, handling and noise).

lilengineerboy

My message is about winter tires; yesterday i installed a new set of wheels (17) with dunlop SP winter sport 3D (225/55), all from tirerack.com. The price was fine, but when i compare these tires with the original ones (also from Dunlop and same size), well the winter tires are slightly bigger.

Most all-season or summer tires have a tread depth of around 8-9/32nds when new. Many snow tires have a tread depth of 12-13/32ns when new. I don't know if 6/32nds of an inch is enough to cause the issue, but you are right, the snow tires are probably "bigger."

colegar

Responding to gensiscan:

I have only been checking this blog about once per week but I happened to pull it up today. Just thought I would let you know that my next post (at 45,000 miles) is taking a little longer to accrue. I have been on airplanes so much that I have spent less time in the Genesis (I am now at 42,400).

Regarding tires ... I find myself being more and more impressed with the Michelin Pilot Sport AS Plus that I described in earlier posts on this blog. They can be noisier on some surfaces but you would not believe how much better they handle and track. But be forewarned ... they are very expensive!

See you in 2,600 miles!

ryster

The tread depth on the stock all-season Dunlops is 10/32", the tread depth on the Dunlop winter tires is 11/32". A 1/32" difference should not cause rubbing. The winter tire is 0.2" wider which also isn't enough to cause rubbing. The optional 18" wheels that Hyundai offers have a larger overall diameter than the 17's and presumably don't rub.

I would suspect that the aftermarket wheels being used with the winter tires have a different offset than the stock wheels. Another possibility is that Tire Rack didn't include the necessary (or correct size) spacers with the wheels to properly account for the different offset.

Call Tire Rack and let them know of the rubbing issue...they are a great company and should be able to resolve the issue.

gensiscan

Hello

Thanks for the suggestion to contact TIRERACK.com, as you said they are a great company. They were really fast to response to my issue, i wrote an email on friday, they answered me monday morning.
There is the answer concerning my rubbing issue after a purchase of a set of wheels and tires ;

I forwarded this to our technical department for review and unfortunately, the fitment that we sold to you is incorrect. We need to get the whole package back and issue you a credit in full. You’ll need to speak with a member of our sales staff to select a different package.

The package we sent to you is likely hitting the tie rod end. We have pulled the fitment from our system and no longer offer it for your vehicle.

My next step is to contact them. Will see

Happy Holidays

alonzo2

You might want to ask them to replace your tie rod ends while they are at it. A broken tie rod end could result in a head on collision. They made a huge error in mounting these tires on your car and are culpable for anything related to a broken tie rod end. I wouldn't put my grandchildren in this car until the dealer had thoroughly vetted the front end suspension.

bobad

I wouldn't put my grandchildren in this car until the dealer had thoroughly vetted the front end suspension.

Yes, or just look at the tie rod ends. If the rubber boots weren't damaged, and they are stll tight, then no damage was done.

The tires would be seriously and visibly damaged before the tie rod ends. If there's a deep groove worn into the tires, the tie rod ends could possibly have gotten hot. Doubtful, though.

poodog13

I say you just leave the thing in a bad neighborhood with the keys in it. Never can be too safe these days.

kenb757

"I wouldn't put my grandchildren in this car until the dealer had thoroughly vetted the front end suspension."

What about your mother in law????

alonzo2

That's great!!! Made my day.
No my mother in law is one the few perfect human beings on the face of the earth but I can think of several people I'd like to put in this car including the Chevrolet dealer who concealed several available rebates from me when I bought my truck recently.
If you look at the diameter of the tie rod ends on the Genesis you note that they are the largest in the industry so I agree it's unlikely any severe damage was done. However I find it amazing that a tire dealer would mount a tire that is incompatable with the car. To me that demonstrates a high level of incompetence.
I hope everyone is enjoying a great Christmas!

gensiscan

Hello,

My problem with the wrong set of winter wheels-tires is already an old nightmare. The wheels were MODA(the wrong ones), it as been change for ENKEI. I kept the same tires; Dunlop 3D Winter sport. Tirerack did the mistake buy offering those, they offer me a 60$ rebate on new wheels. Now i just appreciate these great tires on winter road.

Last year i hesitated to buy the genesis sedan, because it's a propulsion car, and i was really not sure it was a good buy because where i live (Quebec city), the winter season seen to last 4 to 5 months every year.
By reading Colegar and others on this forum i convinced myself to make the move. Ok i waited the end of winter last year to buy it, but now i am in the snow everyday. And so far so good. On hilly roads the ESC system is too much intrusive, so i just take off the ESC, and sometimes switch to manual transmission to start on 2 speed instead of 1.
My winter tires are great in light and heavy snow. And on the highway they are very smooth.
I think the proportion of the weight for the 3.8 (52% front - 48% back) help a lot for the stability.
For those who hesitate to buy a Genesis because is a propulsion car and winter is too long, well for me is a better buy than a ES350.
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Ok a AWD will be better for sure, it might be available on Genesis in 2011-2012.

mickeyrom

Happy New Year.At least I won't have this problem as I cannot afford any of the rear drive cars.They sure look nice when they pass me by.The Genesis I mean.

sonota

I dont know what your smoking but give me some. I just purchased this car v6 with tech package . The tires that come with it SUCK in snow. They are dunlop and they are sports tire. Designed for summer high speed driving ONLY. We just had some major snow in Chicago and the tires have no traction in snow at all. I will be going to purchase a dedicated set of SNOW TIRES and a extra set of wheels so that i can drive this thing in the snow. Needless to say i work 35 miles from where i live i almost slide off the street 6 times while in route . When pulling away from a stop light forget it the traction kicks in and the car will not move cause the traction control cuts the engine power. When having to make several emergency stops the abs kicks in but the car just slides to a stop . And yes i know how to drive in snow. The car is fantastic but the factory tires have to come off for winter driving .I knew this when i purchased the car just an extra expense i figured when i got it.

sergio19

sonota,

You're right...the stock tires are terrible/suck in the snow...You cannot go through winter with the Dunlops. They are not designed for winter driving. You'll definitely get into an accident with them if you eventually get going!

I changed to winter tires (It's law here in Quebec) and it's a night and day difference.

genesis57

You can say that again! The standard equip Dunlop Sport 5000 tires are down right dangerous in the snow. You can read other Genesis owner comments about them on Tirerack.com. Hyundai should offer to replace these tires for people living in areas where snow and ice are common. Someone is going to get killed driving with these tires. I just purchased a set of 4 Bridgestone Blizzak LM-22's and they make an amazing difference. If you're driving the Dunlops....be careful.
I'm curious...has anyone approached Hyundai about replacing these terrible "all season" tires?

Thanks.

yipmo

Colegar & community,
Does the Genesis require premium gas or is it just suggested? I looked through the posts but couldn't find an answer, I am planning on buying the V8 tomorrow and working out the last details.

genesis57

I've got 14000 miles on a V6 and it runs great on regular. With the recent projections on where gas prices are headed again......it's good to be able to use regular in a high performance car.

pogo5

The 6 runs on Regular gas, the 8 will run on Regular or Prem. depending on the preformance you want out of it.

sheltonzz

All will run on either but do you really get that much more or even anything out of Premium. Not worth the difference in cost. I am a retired oil company Executive.

sheltonzz

Even worse is the many times I have not turned off engine (too quiet and no key) and gone in somewhere, only to come out and discover car had been running all of that time.

poodog13

For those of you that use dedicated rims, why? Do you buy "stock" rims, non-stock but similar quality rims, or cheap steel rims? Why not just change out the tires on the original rims?

robr2

Chaning the tires on the OEM rims twice a year can damage the beading area on the rim. That in turn can cause tires to not seal correctly and lose pressure.

Further, snow and salt can damage the finish on aluminum rims. IMHO, I'd rather spend a few bucks on dedicated winter rims instead of looking at pitted, corroded rims for 8 months out of the year.

Lastly, by having dedicated rims I can do the change out whenever I want and if I decide to take a road trip down south, I can easily put on the summers for that trip.

miklo

I have been using regular in my 6 cyl for a year with 8,000 miles and it runs fine,and I get over 20 mpg in town, I think its a choice each person must make,but IMO regular is fine. BTW enjoy your Genesis,I know I sure do
MIKLO

alonzo2

We just comleted a 1400 mile road trip in our v6 on regular. 1000 of those miles were on the donut tire since we hit a pot hole disintegrating the original Dunlop tire which cannot be found in the panhandle of Florida, southern Alabama, Mississippi, or Arkansas. It has been on order from Ohio for a week now. Interestingly when on the full sized tire at 75 mph we got 29.7 mpg on regular. At 55 mph we got 33.5 mpg on the donut on regular gas. Not only does it run on regular, it runs exceedingly well on regular with excellent gas mileage with no pinging, missing, or rough idling, through a snow storm in 40 mph wind shears on a donut. I did notice the donut got hot when I first put it on but increasing the air pressure from 40 psi to 60 psi corrected that problem. My wife suggested we just leave the pressure low and the heat from the tire would melt the ice and snow!

colegar

Hyundai/Genesis is one of the few auto manufacturers that actually publishes the fact that both the V6 and V8 are set up to run on either regular or premium fuel. They do mention that an almost unperceivable amount of horsepower is lost when burning regular grade fuel. I almost always run regular but I tried two or three tanks of premium consecutively to see if I could tell the difference. Unless you are drag racing up hill, you will never notice the difference in either power or fuel mileage.

This was not your question, but If you have read my previous posts, you know that I am extremely vocal about how much is lost when fuel containing ethenol is used. That is a far greater hit to performance and mileage than the difference between premium and regular octane grades. I truly believe that ethanol is one of the greatest scams ever, and not just because of fewer miles per gallon.

I will be posting my 45,000 mile update this weekend. I will be saying once again that the Genesis V6 performs like most V8's. It is smooth, quick, plenty of usable torque, and gets 27-28 MPG at 80 MPH in a car that is basically the same size as the large BMW, Lexus or Mercedes.

colegar

I mentioned in the post above that I was almost ready to post my next 5,000 mile interval update. It has become more difficult to think of things that would be informative to all of you fellow Genesis owners without being too redundant. That is because nothing has gone wrong or changed since my post at 40K. I will just say that I am notorious for getting the itch to trade too often and after 45,000 miles on the Genesis, I have not even considered switching it for anything else. It has every gadget that I can think of and it is such a pleasure to head out in it on a trip. Okay ... so it does still transmit bumps too much on rough roads, but as I have said in the past, 90% of my miles are on decent roads. The Genesis is a road machine!

For those of you who complain that the Genesis should not be called a "sports" sedan, you might want to consider the tire switcharoo that I made. The Michelin Pilot Sport A/S Plus completely changes the handling characteristics. The car tracks better and corners way better. The downside: They are expensive and occasionally are noisy on some concrete surfaces. Overall, I am so impressed with them that I will probably go with them again for the next set.

To digress for a moment, I am in the market for another vehicle because the lease on our other car expires in late April. After exhaustive research and comparisons, I still can't come up with anything anywhere close to the caliber of the loaded Genesis for less than $40,000. It looks like I may wind up putting my wife in the Genesis and going a completely different direction for myself. Because of the ridiculous amount of miles I drive, I am giving serious consideration to getting a diesel VW Jetta Sportwagon. It will get an honest 600 miles per tank full and that really matters for me. I am completely aware that VW’s can be prone to aggravating problems but I can’t get over how the Jetta drives with the new version of their diesel engine mated to the optional the DSG dual-clutch transmission

Back to the Genesis, that’s about it after 45,000 miles. Great car. Great power and smoothness. Great mileage for a luxury sedan. Well engineered. Low maintenance costs. Roomy. Rock-solid construction!

alonzo2

I couldn't agree more with you on the ethanol issue. Ethanol will also carrode your metal fittings in the fuel line and eventually destroy your gas pump. It has eaten a hole through my model T, lawn tractor, chain saw, and my buddy's oldsmobile fuel lines. I guess the flex fuel vehicles are better protected. Is Genesis a flex fuel vehicle? Someone told me Sinclair gas has no ethanol.
I remember as a kid my dad would also put ethyl(high octane) gas in the old Packard to make it run better. I guess this was ethanol even in those days. But the metal was protected by the good old lead they used to put in the gas despite the ethyl alcohol.
My buddy paid $3000 to have the gas lines replaced in his Aurora. I'd pay an extra 5 cents per gallon to get pure gasoline uncontaminated by ethanol. Hate to cheat those farmers out of all that profit on their corn but it's nice to get the extra gas mileage on pure petrol. The great loser in all this is the pigs who no longer get corn in their food because it's too expensive!

mn778

Is there any talk about AWD in the Genesis sedan?

tenpin288

Supposedly in the next-gen Genesis, so at least 2-3 years before that option appears.

westwindlion

Is the car pull issue resolved by now?

KP from NJ

walt1

I'm pretty much sold on a 2010 Genesis sedan in Black, but not sure of which interior color.
Its hot where I live, so I'm thinking not black, but going with the Cashmere. Any thoughts?
Also, I love the Technology package, but $5K seems awfully steep.
Bonnie

toye

I live South Florida and I have black interrior bought it last April. Not problems during the summer. Get tech package it's easy to use and many upgrades.

tjc78

I would personally go with a Cashmere interior. I love a dark car with a light interior. However, it really boils down to your own personal preference. Here is a shot of mine in case you haven't seen the Cashmere inside.

Also, FWIW the A/C in the Genesis is more than adequate, so, if you really prefer black inside I wouldn't hesitate for that reason.

See more Car Pictures at CarSpace.com

sheltonzz

I have the black on black and live in San Antonio. This is why your car comes with air conditioning./

cars57

Does anyone know if the 2010 Hyundai Genesis comes with a brake override system (which federal regulators will likely mandate in the near future...) -- I know some cars,.e.g chrysler, bmw, mercedes have this feature, and some don't..e.g. toyota ??

toye

I personally love the cashmere, but the light leather shows dirt quickly. Stick with either black or saddle if that is a concern.

bigal728

I have a 2009 Genesis with the tech package. My HTC Touch Pro 2 will pair with the bluetooth in the car. I can send calls with my phone but I have a problem receiving calls. There is no indication on the screen that a call is coming in. I cannot answer the call by pressing the "phone" icon on the steering wheel. If I press the answer key on my phone, then I can answer the call. I have been to the dealer, HTC and Hyundai tech support. No one has an answer. Any one have this problem and any advice would be appreciated.

william77

I also have a 2009. You may need a new module. I had a problem w/my BT system in that I'd push the icon button, it'd say "ready," & I'd say call & announce the name, but it didn't hear my request. Some days later it started working again, only briefly. The dealer's service guy who fiddles w/hi tech stuff couldn't find a cause, ordered a new module from the 3rd party vendor, replaced the bad one, & it's worked fine since.

twinb

tuborgp1

In the process of finalizing today the purchase of V8 fully loaded. Had been in the market looking for the past year and did tons of research etc etc etc. The Genesis is what it is. You can compare it with other comparably priced cars but none have as high a consistent rating as the Genesis. From Consumer Reports to the various auto magazines the Genesis on average scores the best. You can debate its merits as a true sports sedan or a true performance sedan but the reality is that it is one heck of a car that is hard to beat across the under 45K price spectrum.

miklo

Yep it sure is one heck of a car, I have a 2009 V6 with almost everything except tech package, I have owned many cars over the years,BMW, Caddys,etc,etc. I only have a little less than 9000 miles but in a little over a year I still love this car.......yeah I said it I love this car,and I have never said that about any other car b4.Across the board IMO its almost perfect 4me anyway. So enjoy and come back often there are some very knowledgeable ppl here that give some great info and updates, Colegar is one of the best reviewers and very precise in his evaluation of the Genesis,OFC there are others but he always comes to mind and he puts the miles on his car. I think he is at 45,000 now and all still seems fine although I had no doubts that this would be the case.

carloverusa

Hyundai spokesman Miles Johnson said the company would not retroactively install the systems in older units already on dealer lots.