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Is that clearer? The bottom line is that it may appear to be intermittent, but there is a method and a reason for it, honest! Understanding how it works is the best way to make it work for you instead of just confusing you.
The car does not happen appeal to me for a number of reasons that I stated on here a couple times. It does appeal to others, such as yourself. Not sure why you see that a problem. There would not be much to discuss here, if there were no differences of opinion.
BTW he bought it used,so I don't know what it cost him,but I believe the S is in the 60K range when new.Am I mistaken?
BTW again,my stepson has the big Jag,and honestly I love it,but it did not feel very "sporty" to me.
You did not mention what you drove,so it would be nice to what it came out second best.Quoting reviews from test drives falls short of driving it for almost two years and 20K miles.
My anti-optima-ism is not really about the ride, it is the handling. But overly "supple" (to use CR's term, whom I quoted merely to back-up my own impressions) rides and undesireable (to me) handling characteristics generally seem to go together in this class of cars.
I drive a Mazda6 and while the ride is certainly firmer than an optima, I would not call it uncomfortable or hard and certainly not harsh. The handling is so much tighter and more responsive, than the rental optima that I had to be very careful to keep my car under control when I drove my Mazda home from the airport. "Oh, I turn the wheel just a little and the car changes direction instead of continuing in a straight line"
What did you drive before the Optima?
I keep my tires at 35Psi and the ride is very firm.If I had the 17 wheels,I think it would be almost unbearable.Oh well..."different strokes for different folks"
PS I would bet that mazda 6 as well equipped as my Optima (leather, heated seats,moonroof,six disc changer,etc.etc.etc)would probably cost a lot more,and I think value has it's own quality.
Regards:
Oldengineer
You might
behave been surprised, they were commonly available at about $5000 below MSRP in many areas, after all rebates and discounts. I paid $16K, but mine does not have leather or moonroof (because, I don't like leather or moonroofs) so can't really compare. Assuming I'd have gotten the same $5000 off on the leatherized Mazda6i touring with moon roof, it appears that it would have been about $18,700.I live in Illinois near the Iowa border,and you will not find any of those ridiculous discounts unless you're looking at an expensive minivan or SUV,and only certain brands,like Hyundai or KIA.
a 2008 Mazda6 equipped as he described was selling all over Chicagoland for $5k to $5.5k off sticker. Chicago area is not that far from where you live and I'm sure heavy discounting went out to Central IL just to stay competitive with the Chicago market. That is not far from where you live.
I priced a 2008, and I have never seen a current model of any brand with a 4 cylinder engine discounted anywhere close to $5000.At any rate we are going way off subject,so ...have a nice day...peace...
I priced a 2008, and I have never seen a current model of any brand with a 4 cylinder engine discounted anywhere close to $5000.At any rate we are going way off subject,so ...have a nice day...peace...
I just bought a 2008 Mazda6 4 cylinder with a MSRP of $22.1K for $17K before taxes and DMV fees. so a 5.1K discount.
I also had the option to buy a fully loaded IGT for 20.5K which included leather, heated seats, sunroof, Bi-XEON's etc
The $2750 is for all Mazda6 sedans and hatchbacks. Where did it say otherwise?
Allan Birmantas
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Is comparing the pricing of midsize sedans is considered to be off-topic here in the midsize sedans comparison discussion?
Clearly you are surprised by what the actual selling price of the Mazda6 had been, as I had postulated
The 2008 Mazda6i touring, with the optional moonroof added, has MSRP of $23760 and invoice is $21,926. You must be looking at a grand touring to get up to $25K in a 4 cyl. Based on edmunds model review the grand touring vs. the touring adds: xenon headlights, foglamps, a sunroof, electroluminescent gauges, automatic climate control and an auto-dimming rearview mirror.
These were usually selling at or below invoice in the Chicago and Milwaukee areas, so that would be around $21,900 for the touring and $23,000 for the grand touring. They have had rebates of $2500-3000 nearly continuously for at least 2-3 years...so that puts the final price at about $19,000-$19,500 for the touring and $20,000 to $20,500 for the grand touring for just about anyone who asked.
At auto show time (in 2007, not sure about 2008) Mazda even had an extra $1000 rebate in this area, that was available on top of the normal $3000ish rebates.
Not sure why you are so defensive/irritated, we are just sharing information. No one is saying "hey, you should have bought something else", we are just comparing mid-size sedan info...kind of the point here, I thought.
According to a leading German publication the Mazda6 is the most reliable car for the first 100,000 km
Btw. 2007 Mazda6 ex-rentals (Hertz) are selling for $15-16k with 30K
That would be nice but Mickeyrom is correct I feel about the discounting/rebates affecting resale values. I don't doubt that Hertz is asking that much for them but I would highly doubt they are getting close to those prices.
Unless of course they take them to somewhere in the country where "people have never seen $5000 off of MSRP for a 4 cyl. car" before.
http://www.kia.com/incentives/apr_cashback_central.php
Note that I also assume that one could buy at invoice, since the car is no longer a new model.
My question is: Why is there more Sonata reviews when the Camry must have outsold the Sonata by huge numbers?
With our low fixed prices you have the advantage. You get all the value and savings without the aggravation of pushy salesmen and high-price negotiations.
http://www.hertzcarsales.com/advantages/advantage.jsp
I see $14-15K on their site, only lists cars in CA and HI, but still...
They probably figure people will be comparing them to the 2009 model, so selling them for probably about what they paid might just work. It is nuts, though...I've only got 13K on my 2007, maybe I can sell for more than the $16K that I paid
Hey, maybe that's why the Sonata owners offer more reviews....they are sticking up for the underdog!
Any psychologists think that may be the answer?
It would be really interesting to see the actual prices these cars eventually go for. That price is $1200 more than I paid for my 07 and I have 17,000 miles. I understand Carmax is a no negotiation place but that doesn't mean they never lower there stated prices. I have yet to hear somebody report or chime in "OMG I didn't know these things sold for $16500 new...I just paid $17,700 for one with 20k on it".
I just went on Cars.com and pulled up used Mazda6s for sale in Chicago area and the majority of the the 07s with similar mileage have asking prices of around $14,900. I assume those prices are negotiated down to something between $13k and $14k. Even if it's $13k---that's not bad 1st year depreciation from $16500. That's 21% and lots of cars suffer that or more depreciation in the first year. Now if you're talking off of original MSRP, it's closer to 38% but nobody paid MSRP.
Oh, they are getting those prices. That is about the prices at the auctions as well. Crazy huh??? So much for crappy resale....
I just passed on a 2004 Mazda6 i Sport (spoiler, fog lights, side skirts, sport front and rear bumpers) with leather / moon roof / Bose Audio / automatic with 53,000 on the clock for $12,500 at the auction!
Anyway, of these 84, the vast majority are asking below $16,000. Only 23 are asking above that. I underlined asking as you know as well as I do that used cars prices are highly negotiable, even moreso than new car prices usually. So, I don't know what kind of auctions you guys attend, but I would think that wholesale prices are well below these amounts. I mean how can new car dealers sell 2007 Mazda6s for $15,000 if they are paying anything near that at auctions or for trade-ins???
Now, if I thought for a minute that was actually possible I might just do it. But there is something wrong with this picture. Are the asking and getting prices in your area crazy? By that I mean do people ask $18,000 but end up selling for $13000 and is that common?.
Nope.
As I said, these stikin' Mazda's go for crazy money at the auctions over here. They are going for $2,000-$3,000 over Glaves Book. Not to mention that most of the cars end up needing some sort of re conditioning like tires and fluid changes. Add that to shipping costs, they get quite pricey. That is why you see them listing for $17,000. If you want to get technical, $16,990.
A big dealer here in the DC area with many brands sold their last Mazda6 VE last week for around $17200. (no haggle internet price) A similair car used at their sister Nissan store is also $17200 :confuse: http://www.fitzmall.com/fitzway/carfind/RESULTSB.ASP?V_XREFID=R13WR0022839654390- - 62
I started shopping for my car in early May and the best deals were to be had around memorial day on Mazda's both 3 and 6's. Right now the 3's are at least $500 above invoice. I do see discounting on the 09 6's already, as seen at Fitzmall.com
My friend was referring to the inside of the car not the skin and the way it drove. I don't think I conveyed it clearly. Also, I agree with most folks that voted against the Passat. The new Passat, I feel, is a step down from the B5/B5.5. When time comes to replace my Passat (in 6-8 months), I will most likely will not look at the cars listed in this forum and probably because I will be buying a wagon. My criteria is that it should be a) reasonably sized, b) is fun to drive, c) have decent fuel economy and d) have stick shift.
I am open to suggestions.
The $17,200 for the 08 Mazda6 is probably about $600-$800 more than they are going for in Chicago although there are very few 08s left. I've seen some used priced at maybe 16,900 with very low miles but that is obviously not what they are getting for them. I would think that $17,200 used car will end up getting bought for no more than $16000 if that.