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  • shabadoo25shabadoo25 Member Posts: 232
    It's as unique and sexy as the Jetta.
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Member Posts: 7,709
    edited April 2010
    shabadoo25 hit the nail on the head. It gives better than Jetta looks in it's own unique Suzuki style. Wonderful combination. And then there's this:

    At least the Kizashi is unique and sexy. The Sonata is pretty much a rip off the a camry/mazda 6 exterior styling with a ugly [non-permissible content removed] grill and punch yourself in the head rims. Now don't even get me started on a Hyundai interior....

    You're all proving me to be spot-on in my assessment. Everyone but carstryke and skoobee-doo25 sees midsize cars with blinders on. The 2010 Suzuki Kizashi is the first real midsize car that is built with 2014 safety, beautiful sexy looks and all the amenities Mitsubishi built in to my 2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS. For those with blinders on, my '08 Lancer GTS has the wrap-around bodykit (blinders off?), foglights, sunroof, 425-watt Rockford Fosgate stereo, leather-wrapped steering wheel and gearknob, 10-way adjustable driver's seat, rear passeneger HVAC controls, etc., etc., etc. See something similar here?

    Mitsubishi and Suzuki designers see what's needed, build 'em strong and sexy, Warranty-em strong, and don't charge an arm and a hammer for them. Are you blinded?

    Or, can you see? If you can see, what color shirt do I have on? Which NFL team does it espouse then, if you're so smart?

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  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    edited April 2010
    The Kizashi is nice looking in a bland sort of way. But lots of folks like bland. I think the Kizashi looks more like a Corolla on steroids than the Jetta; the lines are rounder than on the Jetta. Can't mistake that huge S up front for a Toyota though. Put the Toyota badge there instead, and you'd see people jumping out of its way. ;)

    Everyone but carstryke and skoobee-doo25 sees midsize cars with blinders on.

    Glad you are including yourself in that remark. "Strong and sexy"? Is that because of the "Supercar" S up front, or the 180 hp that trails other I4 entries in the mid-sized class?

    P.S. "I hate anything with a Hyundai badge on it" would qualify as having blinders on.
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Member Posts: 7,709
    edited April 2010
    now you're just being jealous.

    "In a bland sort of way." What the?

    Does this look bland ta you? In any way? Come on!

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    2011 Suzuki Kizashi Sport

    This car is gorgeous, sexy, sporty and strong! All of that and more!

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  • syitalian25syitalian25 Member Posts: 303
    edited April 2010
    A Kizashi SLS w/CVT it $26.5K - a 2011 Sonata Limited w/Nav is only about $1000 and you get way more space, more HP, better looks, 6 more MPG highway, not to mention a navigation system. If you want the AWD Kizashi SLS, you are at $28,800. Wait until the 274 HP Limited Turbo comes out for $29K and tell me the Suzuki would even be a consideration at that price for people looking for a fast, sporty midsize.

    Here is a review of the Kizashi -

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOTwWemWzLo&feature=related

    It's pretty much a direct competitor to the Jetta.
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    The only non-bland things are the big S up front and the wheels, which I don't care for (too fussy, and I would not want to be the one who has to keep them clean). Other than that, the car says "bland" to me. The side is particularly Corolla-ish to my eyes. The rear, which you haven't shown us (but I suspect you will soon), isn't too bad, but not particularly unique. I just don't find it nearly as interesting style-wise as cars like the Sonata and Mazda6.

    Keep in mind you are focusing here on elements of style, which are totally subjective. So really not good form to tell someone what they think is bland, or stylish, or not. You know what you like in style; the rest of us know what we like.
  • jeffyscottjeffyscott Member Posts: 3,855
    edited April 2010
    I also think the Kizashi probably has the most appealing appearance to me in the mid size class. In some ways it does have some Jetta, or at least VW similarities, but where it does it improves on the Jetta to my eyes.

    One big thing in it's favor is the lack of chrome. No chrome around the windows, thank you. Not too much chrome on the grill, thank you again.

    I'm not sure what makes a car's styling "European" or "Japanese". But apparently I prefer European styling. From what I have read Mazda went Japanese with the current Mazda6, while the prior (better looking to me) version was supposed to be more European. I have read that this Suzuki maybe also went for a European look and I like it.

    Not a big fan of the wheels, but the 17s look better than the 18s:

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  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    It's messing up the pages. Thanks!
  • shabadoo25shabadoo25 Member Posts: 232
    As boring as boring gets.
  • carstrykecarstryke Member Posts: 168
    yes words to describe the new sonata.....boring...uninspiring....
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Member Posts: 7,709
    edited April 2010
    about people getting an idea stuck in their minds and not being able ta get it back out again? Think JFK, NASA, Kobe Bryant and the LAL's, the Seattle Mariners, the Seattle Supersonics, the Oklahoma City Thunder, Kevin Durant, Rodney King and the nasty LA riots, abortion rights.

    It's part and parcel of what makes this land a great place ta live. Give me liberty or give me a Philly Cheesesteak. You get the picture.

    But for the life a me, why would you choose this:

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    When you could have one of these:

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    Can I get a true witness here that will give both of these rigs a solid look unencumbered by pot or whiskey or Metallica?

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  • syitalian25syitalian25 Member Posts: 303
    I'm not saying the Kizashi is a bad car, it is better than a Jetta - I'll give it that - but you are in the vast minority if you think it has a better looking exterior than the new Sonata.
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    iluv, since I haven't been able to actually sit in a Kizashi (no-show at my auto show and no dealer real close to me), maybe you could tell us how good the packaging is inside. How's the rear seat leg room, for example? The Kizashi is shorter than other mid-sizers. But since there's some compacts (even subcompacts, i.e. Versa) that have good leg room in back, no reason the Kizashi can't. How comfy is it back there? Room for adults to stretch out? How about 3 across? That's tough in even larger mid-sizers.

    Also, how did you find the performance and handling when you drove it? Have you compared to other mid-sizers, e.g. the new Sonata? Or are you focusing on the Kizashi for now, so no need to compare to others?

    BTW, the last photo you posted has no fogs. What trim level do you need to get to add those? I think the front looks better with the fog lamps--as do most cars.
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    Speaking of being in the minority... one thing the Kizashi has going for it is exclusivity. Only 397 were sold in the USA last month, vs. almost 19,000 Sonatas... and Sonata was only #5 in sales for mid-sized sedans! Maybe that's what iluv likes about the Kizashi. He already owns a fairly rare car, the Lancer. No doubt he would be the only person in his neighborhood with a Kizashi. Makes it easy to find in the mall parking lots. :)
  • shabadoo25shabadoo25 Member Posts: 232
    Lets see: I could own a best seller that gets confused for a Lexus all the time, or an econobox that is an obscure Jetta clone.

    Realllllllllly tough decision.
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Member Posts: 7,709
    edited April 2010
    2011 Suzuki Kizashi Sport, which comes out in August of 2010.

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    Note the different wheels on the Sport model. Also, some chrome inserts(and a differently-shaped cutout for the fogs, too) around the foglights. Basically some superficial changes with the new Sport.

    This is the 2010 Suzuki Kizashi GTS, which is already out. Both have foglights.

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    Yep, back, I did post a picture of a Kizashi with no fogs. I wouldn't buy one without foglights, you are correct. Room in the rear, don't know. You'll have ta Google that one yourself, that is really never a factor in whether I buy a car or not. So all I do is briefly read the press report on that and move ta something more important.

    I did test drive a 2010 Suzuki Kizashi GTS with an automatic CVT tranny. The car takes bumps and just levels them out for you. They feel like little ripples instead of something that takes your car up and then down again. Steering is true and balanced.

    The car, like my 2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS, is sport-tuned and invites you take acclelerate in to turns.

    The 2011 Hyundai Sonata no doubt would be much like the 2009 Toyota Camry I rented from Sea-Tac airport. Floaty and non-descript. Dullsville.

    Open and shut case. Fun=Suzuki Kizashi. Boring=Hyundai Sonata.

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  • dash5dash5 Member Posts: 421
    Hmm didnt know Suzuki made cars, guess I can see why now. Pretty boring looking so I doubt I'd notice it even if I saw one. Probably a good car for teen girls though? Price is probably a good thing, it does look cheap so if you're on a budget and have no choice.

    Looks a lot like an old toyota corolla actually. The door handles are nice. One on each door is a good layout.
  • syitalian25syitalian25 Member Posts: 303
    The 2011 Hyundai Sonata no doubt would be much like the 2009 Toyota Camry I rented from Sea-Tac airport. Floaty and non-descript. Dullsville.

    Haha it is very obvious you have not driven a 2011 Sonata, and especially not the SE. There is no comparison to the cushy Toyota Camry - the Sonata has equal or better handling than anything in the segment right now. Why don't you just save yourself $5000 and skip the Kizashi, buy a Forte Koup SX if you are looking for a boy-racer car that isn't really that fast.
  • targettuningtargettuning Member Posts: 1,371
    I have been reading these "personal preference" comments between the big "S" and new Sonata's styling trying to be neutral or at least quiet. I tried to keep a "to each his own" kind of attitude but now you went way too far with that statement. My comment on that one is..you have to be kidding!!! By the way for the record I love the new Sonata, don't exactly dislike (but would not buy), the Suzuki except for the supersize me "S" on the grille which I hate. I am going back to my observing mode now but your comment about the Sonota is ridiculous...period!
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Member Posts: 7,709
    edited April 2010
    try as Hyundai may or try as Hyundai might, they just can't seem to match Mitsubishi or Kia or Suzuki in the styling department. Their designs either come out weird looking or bland.

    Kia body designs have flow and purpose, Hyundai's reach like Kobe Bryant for reason but fall far too short.

    Let's hope OKC flattens LAL in the NBA playoffs. If not OKC, the Laker's next opponent.

    Case in point, here's the 2011 Kia Optima.

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    2011 Kia Optima

    And here's the 2011 Hyundai Sonata.

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    2011 Hyundai Sonata

    Using all of your...ummm...senses, please compare the above photos and then come back ta the class and tell us what you all think.

    I rest my case.

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  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Member Posts: 7,709
    edited April 2010
    oh for heaven's sake they can. The Genesis Coupe is well done body-design wise.

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    It's just that when you go to the midsizers, Hyundai seems ta be tearing their grey hairs out stretching for viable competing answers to Kia's 2011 Optima or the 2010 Suzuki Kizashi GTS or the 2011 Suzuki Kizashi Sport.

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  • bobadbobad Member Posts: 1,587
    edited April 2010
    I've been trying to convince my wife of that for years... no luck, though

    I don't have that problem. After getting used to a V6, my wife doesn't want another 4cyl. I keep telling her that 4cyl's are way better than they used to be, but she just gives me "the look". I'll have to talk her into driving a modern 4cyl to convince her.
  • midas69midas69 Member Posts: 118
    So your wife is saying that size does matter?
  • bobadbobad Member Posts: 1,587
    Now, of course, while the mfgrs can still set up almost anything to do well in government tests, technology has now provided a new way for the mfgrs to effectively falsify real world results - the computer.

    I don't think they "falsify" anything, but I'm sure they massage the numbers to a fare-thee-well.

    Car makers are already getting desperate to improve their fleet mileage, and there is still 4 years to go until the 35mpg standard must be met. I think we'll see weaker, noisier, less comfortable cars in the mid size segment as a result of the upcoming government restrictions.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Member Posts: 9,731
    Something tells me Hyundai isn't worried about its own company selling the Optima, or a niche-market low-volume Kizashi. They're watching the bigger fish; the Camry, the Accord, the Fusion, the Altima, etc.

    Hate to say it iluv, but the number large of pics as you've posted here aren't selling me on the Suzuki. If anything, they're reminding me that it's just another rolling blob, like most other midsizers out there. No real points stand out as particularly aesthetically pleasing. It doesn't offend but it doesn't attract, either. Par for the segment, I suppose.
  • mickeyrommickeyrom Member Posts: 936
    There is nothing weak about the modern 4 cylinder engine.Do you know that for many years the Indy cars were all powered by a 4 cyl Offy?They were pretty fast even back in the day.
    I am an old timer( :cry: ) and I can tell you that even my 2006.5 Optima 4 has more HP than my 1952 Lincoln V8 or an 52 Olds 98 Rocket V8.The new Hyundai 4s are rated at 200 HP,that should be enough for anything but the drag strip.
    I think the ford flat head v8 was less than 110 Hp, and it was fun to drive.
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    edited April 2010
    I would use another sports analogy for Kia's styling, especially for the new Optima: they put forth a great effort for most of the game, but just can't seem to finish. Note for example the hideous wheels on the Optima picture. Also the front grille looks very cheap to me--what's with the chrome surround on what would otherwise be a bold and sporty-looking grille? I'm not crazy about the C pillar either; the one thing it has going for it is you don't see it on every other mid-sized sedan. Maybe there's a reason for that, though.

    I have this suspicion the 2011 Optima will actually look better in the "normal" trim, with wheels and grille that blend in better with the rest of the car.

    BTW, you asserted that Mitsubishi's designs are better looking than Hyundai's. Personally, I'd take the Sonata every day and twice on Sunday over the Galant. Looks like most car buyers would, also, based on sales.
  • schnellesautoschnellesauto Member Posts: 59
    edited April 2010
    "There is nothing weak about the modern 4 cylinder engine"

    Yes there is when compared to the modern V6 and V8 offerings, which are not only more powerful, but more refined. In many cases the V6 version in the same car doesn't really get much worse gas mileage, 1 or 2mpg?

    "The new Hyundai 4s are rated at 200 HP,that should be enough for anything but the drag strip."

    You are joking, right? About 8 seconds 0-60 at best which for me personally doesn't cut the mustard. For some other folks it is good enough. Remember, comparable midsized V6 powered sedans are 6.5 to 7.0 seconds and more refined.
    For me, the new Sonata not offering a V6 would be a deal breaker.
  • stephen987stephen987 Member Posts: 1,994
    edited April 2010
    If you have to go 0-60 in less than 8 seconds then you're not planning far enough ahead. And for the record, most published times for the 2011 Sonata are low to mid sevens.

    On the other hand, if you merely want to, that's another matter.
  • jeffyscottjeffyscott Member Posts: 3,855
    It doesn't offend but it doesn't attract, either.

    I think that's it! By not offending it does attract, in my case.

    To me many others do "offend", generally with too much chrome and/or a kind of over-done styling.
  • schnellesautoschnellesauto Member Posts: 59
    edited April 2010
    "If you have to go 0-60 in less than 8 seconds then you're not planning far enough ahead."

    According to this logic there is no reason for cars then that do 0-60 in less than 8 seconds? LOL!

    "And for the record, most published times for the 2011 Sonata are low to mid sevens. "

    Please site these sources that show the 2011 Sonata at low sevens? Two sources below...
    Car and Driver has 7.8 seconds the street start at 8.2 seconds.
    Motor Trend 8.1 seconds.
    That is far from low 7's.
  • akirbyakirby Member Posts: 8,062
    You must win a lot of those bench races........
  • syitalian25syitalian25 Member Posts: 303
    I have the 2011 Sonata SE and posted two videos online, the 0-60 was in the low 7's (faster than the 2010 Sonata V6 btw) .... there is plenty of power and torque, and I drive much faster than most people on the road so believe me, I'd notice.

    There is no Sonata V6 because the 2.0T (turbo) is coming out in late summer early fall - 274 HP, 0-60 around 5.5 seconds, and mileage is 22/34 city/hwy (only one less than the 2.4 sedan). Both the Limited and SE will also comes with duel exhaust/18'' wheels in the turbo models. I would take that over any V6 in the segment, that is ridiculously fast. It could race a G37!!!
  • m6userm6user Member Posts: 3,181
    edited April 2010
    Personally, I reall don't care all that much about 0-60 times but I do care about accuracy during these discussions. Sorry, but I will take C&D and Motor Trend times over a home made video any day. When you're dealing in tenths of a second it's just too difficult to get accurate times with a Timex while you're driving. I could say I measured my car at 7.4 and put a video on youtube. If you are hanging your hat on that, it's really pretty silly. I bet a hundred different people could do the same as you did and come up with different times.

    Really, no offense but where do you get the 5.5 seconds for the new Sonata turbo from? Is this just a guess on your part or what? I haven't seen anything, anywhere where that combo has been tested yet. We don't even know if it will be auto only or a stick will be offered on the turbo to my knowledge.
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Member Posts: 7,709
    looks much more impressive than the 2011 Hyundai Sonata to me.

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  • thegraduatethegraduate Member Posts: 9,731
    Eh, I'm not into that "Darth Kia" look, but perhaps with different wheels and a mildly updated front-end it could appeal to me.
  • carstrykecarstryke Member Posts: 168
    Well there are alot of cheapskates in this world (judging by the Sonata's sale numbers). But my wife was standing behind me and i asked her if i could buy this car (picture of the red sonata) and she responded "ewwww no" then i asked her if i could buy the silver Optima and she responded with a shrug waited a few seconds then said "no...i don't like the back end" as for the Kizashi i think she got irritated before i could ask her and she took off.

    Just a little insight from a younger non bias party. As for me im pretty sure i have given my stance (hideous rims, cheap looking chrome everywhere, 3rd world interior ect ect ect)
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  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Administrator Posts: 11,242
    First, I don't think people appreciate being called "cheapskates" just because they prefer a vehicle that you don't like. If that were the case, perhaps everyone should invest in Maybachs, Ferraris, and Maseratis lest they be thought of as "cheap."

    Second, everyone is biased. That's what personal opinion is - a bias.

    I hope you and your wife find a vehicle that you both like, but it isn't helpful to the conversation to label other members negatively, just because you prefer other vehicles' styling.

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  • carstrykecarstryke Member Posts: 168
    Last time i checked Hyundai sold vehicles because they were CHEAPER with a longer warrenty hence the cheapskate assumption. I mean obviously if a car is cheaper with huge rebates and a long warrenty they are cutting costs somewhere.
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    Perhaps you are too young to recognize the difference between someone who is a "cheapskate" and someone who seeks the best value for their hard-earned money.

    Maybe you haven't heard that the next Hyundai model to hit these shores will cost over $50,000. Not very cheap in my (pocket)book.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Member Posts: 9,731
    edited April 2010
    Last time i checked Hyundai sold vehicles because they were CHEAPER

    You should check again...

    I know a lot has been said about your age in the last few posts -- I'm 22, a college graduate and employed full-time. First and foremost, when car shopping, I see if it makes sense financially before EVER test-driving, in order to prevent my emotions from clouding my head. Young doesn't have to mean financially irresponsible, just as shopping for the best car for you money doesn't make you a cheapskate. Last time I checked, that's called being an adult.
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Administrator Posts: 11,242
    You should check again.
    Cutting costs is not always negative - cutting costs can also be a result of negotiating better deals with suppliers, and more efficient production, just off the top of my head.

    If you are assuming that just because something more expensive, it is a better product, then you are going to find yourself parting with a LOT of money unnecessarily, and I'm not just referring to vehicle purchases. If you're not sure about these words of wisdom I'm passing on to you, walk into any quality wine store and ask two questions:
    1. What's the most expensive bottle of wine you sell?
    2. What's the best-rated wine you sell?

    Those two answers will be different. Then, just for laughs, ask "what's your best-selling wine?" I can guarantee it won't be the cheapest, nor the most expensive in the store.

    Quality, cost, and value ARE related, but not like you think they are.

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  • schnellesautoschnellesauto Member Posts: 59
    edited April 2010
    "Personally, I reall don't care all that much about 0-60 times but I do care about accuracy during these discussions. Sorry, but I will take C&D and Motor Trend times over a home made video any day. When you're dealing in tenths of a second it's just too difficult to get accurate times with a Timex while you're driving. I could say I measured my car at 7.4 and put a video on youtube. If you are hanging your hat on that, it's really pretty silly. I bet a hundred different people could do the same as you did and come up with different times."

    100% agreed, well said!
  • schnellesautoschnellesauto Member Posts: 59
    edited April 2010
    "There is no Sonata V6 because the 2.0T (turbo) is coming out in late summer early fall - 274 HP, 0-60 around 5.5 seconds, and mileage is 22/34 city/hwy (only one less than the 2.4 sedan). Both the Limited and SE will also comes with duel exhaust/18'' wheels in the turbo models. I would take that over any V6 in the segment, that is ridiculously fast. It could race a G37!!!"

    Too bad it (Sonata Turbo) will still be powering the wrong set of wheels (Front wheel drive) Historically, high horsepower/torque and front drive don't make for the best combinations. I would take a G37 over that anyday, at least it's Rear Drive or all wheel drive depending on model and a far better weight distribution ratio than the nose heavy front drive Sonata. While the Sonata might keep up with a G37 in a straight line, in the twisties it will not handle as well. There is more than just straightline 0-60.

    Where is this 5.5 second time you claim? As far I know the Turbo Sonata hasn't been tested yet by a reliable source, not on-line videos again, LOL!

    BTW.. Motor Trend (October '08) got 5.2 seconds 0-60mph for the 2009 G37 sport sedan along with a .89G skidpad.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Member Posts: 9,731
    I would take a G37 over that anyday, at least it's Rear Drive or all wheel drive depending on model and a far better weight distribution ratio than the nose heavy front drive Sonata.

    I don't doubt you would take it, but instead you'd have to PAY for it. About $34,000 to start. :)
  • syitalian25syitalian25 Member Posts: 303
    edited April 2010
    Hyundai provides a 0-60 time for the 2.4L Sonata as 7.5 seconds and Kafrak (or however you spell the Hyundai president's name) said during the Sonata Turbo/Hybrid unveiling that the turbo models would reach 60 about two seconds sooner- meaning about 5.5 seconds. And C&D got 7.8 on a brand new, barely broken in car with traction control left on and the moonroof package installed which adds 50-100 lbs. It is not hard to see how the car is in the mid 7's .. it is.

    And of course it's not as sporty as a G37 RWD performance sedan that costs $40K, the point is that it performs well. 5.5 seconds vs 5.2 seconds is certainly not getting smoked, by a car that costs 2x more. Motortrend got a skidpad recording of 0.82g, insideline.com got 0.84 (both for the 2011 Sonata SE) ... it's not a sports car, but that is pretty respectable in any sedan, especially one as big as the Sonata.

    I also refer you to exhibit A:

    http://www.autospies.com/images/users/Agent00R/main/hyundai.jpg
  • schnellesautoschnellesauto Member Posts: 59
    edited April 2010
    "I don't doubt you would take it, but instead you'd have to PAY for it. About $34,000 to start."

    Nope. You can get a brand new G37 for about $30,691 to start. AAA pricing. Check it out at AAA.
  • schnellesautoschnellesauto Member Posts: 59
    edited April 2010
    Sorry to say, but C&D tested the Sonata the same way they tested the G37, You do realize that all the magazine auto tests are on brand new, barely broken cars right? LOL! 7.8 and 8.2 (Verified by C&D and Motor Trend) are NOT mid 7's..

    There is no road test on the turbo Sonata that I'm aware of, so know one knows what it will officially run. I'm sure it will do pretty well.

    I never said that 5.5 vs 5.2 was getting smoked, re-read my post....While the Sonata might keep up with a G37 in a straight line, in the twisties it will not handle as well. There is more than just straightline 0-60.

    The 2010 G37 RWD, brand new as mentioned prior can be had as low as $30,691, Not $40k. $30,691 is not twice the price of a turbo Sonata. Don't forget, the Infiniti holds it's resale value better as well.

    .82 and .84 is a very good skidpad, but not as good as the .89 C&D Oct. 08 a G37 did.

    The facts speak for themselves, as the other poster mentioned, but I do care about accuracy and facts during these discussions.
  • syitalian25syitalian25 Member Posts: 303
    edited April 2010
    I didn't say the Sonata was going to beat the G37 RWD sedan in a race, I just said that the Sonata Turbo's reported 0-60 time is not far off from that of some respectable performance sedans like the Infiniti. And as long as we are sticking to facts, according to the Infiniti website the G37 RWD Base sedan starts at $34,115 including destination. The Sonata SE 2.0T is said to start at $25K (again according to the webcast) so even with $750 destination that is at least $8000 more for the Infiniti. We can't go with "the best price this dealer or that dealer will give me" because if that is the case there have been some very good deals on the Sonatas as well.

    And if you got the Sonata Limited 2.0T, you would get heated front and rear seats, moonroof, bluetooth, panaramic sunroof, paddle shifters, rear air conditioning vents, 360 watt 7-speaker audio, and duel zone automatic climate control (the G37 base only has single-zone) ... and almost equal acceleration for considerably less. None of those are even options on the base G37, to get all that you'd have to move up to something like the Anniversary Edition ($43K). And besides that, some people (like everyone who lives above the Mason-Dixon line) cannot drive a RWD car as a daily commuter because of the snow, so the AWD would be the only viable option on the G37.

    I am guessing you have not driven the Sonata SE but I can tell you the handling is very solid and similar to the Mazda6. Sure, the Infiniti would win in a race by a car length or two, but the Sonata owner would still beat 90% of other sedans on the road, have more features, and be saving a heap of money at the same time in most cases. The G37 is a great performance sedan, one of the best, and the fact that a turbo Sonata is even close a contender against a car like that is impressive.
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