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You make a valid point. The UAW has done a good job of making that happen.. along with tort lawyers.
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I wonder when it was made though because the GDP of developing countries can swing wildly from year to year.
Hyundai Motor, Union to Keep Talking (AP)
"Last year was Hyundai's worst ever in terms of labor unrest.
A total of four walkouts cost the automaker 118,293 vehicles in lost production worth $1.75 billion, according to company figures."
Doesn't seem to have hurt their JD Power rankings.
It's true that both manufacturers have improved quality throughout strikes of late.
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Text says 2007 IIRC.
The union haters will probably be gleeful as states' GDP decreases as more production is ceased in those states where union jobs were making things until now. E.g., Delphi plants in W. Ohio are closing. Ohio and Michigan will end up as Jamaica in GDP.
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-Rocky
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Nah, that would be the Pseudo-Capitalist right wing that have no loyalty to their nation. The only thing american they care about is the dollar. :mad:
-Rocky
GM's market share has been cut by more than HALF!
Oh, wait, what's Detroit's dollar disadvantage to Toyota/Honda/Nissan/etc again?
Ron Gettlefinger's only real job lately seems to be sword-waving, had he gotten what he wanted from Delphi they would have gone out of business.
The UAW still doesn't get that killing to golden goose will starve their members... they can either adapt or more jobs will go overseas.
All the UAW has done is made it so Foreign competitors can build factories in MY country and beat our own businesses on their home turf.
You're not going to get any sympathy from me for the UAW, they dug their own bed, they can lie in it no matter how bad it stinks.
Except that this map doesn't quite make the point that you apparently want to make.
Texas, which is hardly union-friendly, is growing and has a higher GDP than Michigan, which is about as union-friendly as any state in the union (except, possibly for New York). Just got back from Texas, and there sure wasn't much gloom-and-doom in Dallas, San Antonio and Austin...
-Rocky
I'm not going to sit here and argue with you because your mind is made up already. Billions of dollars annually in extra profit in the Japanese automobile manufactors portfolio can be attributed to the Currency Manipulation advantage they have on us. You can only point the blame at Dubya and congress that are allowing this to continue. Toyota, pays it's workers a lot more in wages and benefits than the UAW in Japan and they still export 51% oftheircars into this country. That should tell you something or then again maybe not ? :confuse:
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Like enormous pensions. Like healthcare for life, and extremely expensive healthcare at that. Hardly any company pays for the health insurance for their retirees, but GM sure does.
As I said, it's not the hourly wage that's the issue. It's that the big 3 have, on average, a $2,500 per car disadvantage in retiree benefits alone.
And then there were the days when the UAW dictated how many people you had to have on the assembly line for a certain job regardless of advantages in manufacturing technology.
Toyota, BMW, Mercedes-Benz, Honda, Nissan, etc don't have those expenses, hence they have an unfair advantage.
Your economics don't match reality. Unions have taken wage decreases over the last years. Delphi has taken a vaste decrease and a decrease in numbers of jobs just to retain those they still have.
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As far as the Astra, I believe it's going to be built in Mexico, last I heard. I was just referring to a earlier post that said GM, can't engineer good small cars. The Astra, appears to be one even though like the
Fusion, it is unfortunately made in Mexico. (last I heard)
-Rocky
Gangs, drugs and substandard housing? Sounds like Detroit, Los Angeles, Cleveland, etc. Not rural Texas.
rockylee: Most Texans are actually considered poor and just because they prop up a Toyota plant in San Antonio, working illegal aliens doesn't mean the whole state is doing well. Texas, is bleeding hundreds of millions in red ink in it's budget.
Most Texans are NOT considered poor, and the Toyota plant is not employing illegal aliens.
No, ONE branch of TWO unions working at ONE particular company took a pay cut - i.e., the workers at Delphi, which are represented by the UAW and the IBEW.
GM and Ford workers have not taken a wage cut - if I recall correctly, a scheduled wage INCREASE was instead diverted to help pay for health care costs. But that is not the same thing as a wage cut.
And note that the UAW would not agree to similar provisions for Chrysler, because it was still part of Daimler at the time, which was profitable.
The average wage in the Dallas metropolitan area is $19 per hour ($38,000 per year).
The average house costs $160,000.
We'll be happy to compare our numbers with ANY other state, including Michigan, New York or even Kalifornia.
500,000 people moved to Texas last year from those and other states. They must know something, eh?
Oh,
and they can vote in CA, because it is against state law to make them show proof of citizenship here.
If that is the case, the companies are not knowingly hiring illegal aliens. The problem is with the federal system that checks these numbers. The companies - including Toyota - are not responsible for the design and daily operation of this system.
It would not surprise me to find that there are members in the UAW that are not legal residents. Having just gone through the retirement process, it is the only time in my 45 years of employment that I was required to show a certified birth certificate proving where I was born. In 45 years of working I was a member of 3 different unions. None ever asked for proof of citizenship. Only a drivers license and a SS number...
BMW, Mercedes, Audi, worker's work a 35 hour work week, get a month's worth of paid vacation when the day they start, get a company paid breakfast, get beer at lunch. They also aren't required to work weekends or holidays and can't be forced to work over time last time I knew. You continue to amaze me with your "facts" :confuse:
-Rocky
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I think you meant the IUE-CWA ? :confuse:
-Rocky
I don't agree with it but the union feels obligated to protect it's membership.
-Rocky
What this means to you: If you want to buy american, made by union members and with a large % of domestic content here's a large list to choose from !!!!
-Rocky
Union-made vehicle list available for Labor Day
Top-quality products available from nine different manufacturers
The UAW announced today that a list of 2008 union-made cars, trucks, pickups, vans, CUVs and SUVs is now available on the UAW Web site at 2008 Union-Built Car and Truck Guide (810 KB).
“Getting to know more about the great selection of union-made vehicles in the marketplace is a great way to observe Labor Day,” said UAW President Gettelfinger. “Union members in the United States and Canada make a wide variety of top-quality vehicles in every category and in every price range.”
Vehicles from nine different manufacturers are produced in union-represented auto assembly plants in the United States and Canada, according to the list distributed today by the UAW. Union-made products are available in every price range and in every product category, including hybrids, clean diesels and energy-saving flex-fuel vehicles.
UAW-made vehicles, said Gettelfinger, have recently won top-quality rankings from J.D. Power and Associates and the University of Michigan Consumer Satisfaction Survey.
In addition, the most recent Harbour Report, a closely watched study of auto plant efficiency, showed that when union plants are compared with nonunion facilities that build the same type of vehicle, union plants are more productive in 12 out of 13 cases.
“Members of our union are totally dedicated to safety, quality and productivity, and their hard work is paying off,” said Gettelfinger.
The 2008 union-made vehicle guide includes vehicles assembled in the United States and Canada by members of the UAW, the CAW and the IUE-CWA. Union-made vehicles include various Chrysler, Ford, General Motors models, as well as specific models of Isuzu, Mazda, Mitsubishi, Saab, Suzuki and Toyota vehicles.
The complete list is available at 2008 Union-Built Car and Truck Guide.
http://www.uaw.org/news/newsarticle.cfm?ArtId=491
-Rocky
Not every category. The last UAW-built subcompact was the Toyota Corolla. :surprise:
They don't get the extraordinary benefits that UAW workers get, and you can be certain that when push comes to shove, they don't try and kick the company out of business.
Much of the work week and vacation "benefits" are related to EU laws, not the efforts of the Unions.
American auto workers are still, by far, the most highly compensated mass-production auto workers on the planet.
Yes, let's bring up the wonders of British Unions... Derek Robinson aka "Red Robbo" anyone? He took on BL.. and ended up costing tens of thousands of British workers their jobs. Well done indeed. Maybe the people at the UAW ought to take a gander at what happened when you finally kill the goose that lays the golden egg.
Clarkcon's Car Years "Who killed the British Car Industry?"
That is part 1 and you can find parts 2 and 3 linked from that page.
I think much of that is due to the efforts of the unions getting those laws passed. link
Huh? When this was floated in the UK the Unions flipped. I was watching it on the news at the time... the general consensus was the employers would expect the same productivity with a 12% decrease in compensation.
The 35 hour work week didn't work out like the Socialists expected. Thanks for causing me a long diversion reading about living and working in France btw. :P (yet another fun link)
What they said about working on Sundays was a hoot too.. "Why not just pay the worker more?"
It had me laughing out loud!
-Rocky
There's a whole host of things hurting this country, but a big part of it is realizing that we need to do what's required to be competitive. The problem that I have with the UAW is that they don't seem to realize that they are going to need to adapt... it's not 1955 anymore.
50+ years ago the only foreign cars that were sold here didn'[t have domestic competitors. There was no American Jaguar XK120 competitor in 1949 and no American Rolls-Royce, no American MG, no American Beetle.
The extreme vast majority bought cars made right here. Now things are different, and America is now part of a much wider global economy. We can either adapt or die. Pick one. But the UAW pulling the same old song and dance they did 20..30..40..50..60 years ago just isnt going to cut it today. What if GM's only option is to move all production to Mexico? Don't laugh too hard, it's been considered.. mainly by Chrysler.
We don't need 42c/hr employees but most of the current UAW contracts are untenable in the long term. Foreign competition isn't what's going to bring this country down, failure to realize that the fat times we had in the past are over and are not coming back will.